Why do people generally say persona 4 is better than persona 3? I played both games for the first time recently and I found that 3
>Has a way better soundtrack
>Makes a lot better use of the pretty crappy graphics by having better visual design
>Has combat with marginally more depth
>Has characters that felt way more interesting and not just members of your harem
>An actual plot with arcs and twists instead of just "THIS guy is the one behind the murders" happening over and over like one of those russian dolls
>Fun twists on the standard jrpg formula, like having to pick between getting more EXP or getting any money at all from fights via shuffle time
>Once I realied how the combat is just "figure out their weakness, then do that and win instantly" and found the tactics menu I actually liked the AI teamates, instead of having to manually hit the "cast spell they're weak to" over and over I just set them to do it for me
>>323929189
While in persona 4
>The combat is even simpler (made a single physical stat, characters get to just block their weaknesses, main character gets to die multiple times before it sticks because your party members take hits for you, they reworked how anlyzing is, characters no longer get tired, you can't split the party, shuffle time is strictly for personas)
>Grinding materials to get new equipment instead of just buying it or picking weapons from shuffle time
>Giving people direct control is fair, but why did they make the AI teamates way worse? You have way less options to control their AI and so you don't get exactly what you want.
>Social links are dumbed down because you can't make people angry at you anymore for dating other girls or not talking to them for months
>Weapon fusions and trading rare items for gems completely removed for no reason
>Party members that all have one single character trait they repeat the entire game with no change because the scene where they change personas is now optional, unlike in P3
>If you don't wait until the last possible day to beat a dungeon, you have to sit there for several weeks while the person you saved recovers until the plot can advance at all. Persona 3 had it's plot boss fights on fixed days so it could more properly pace the story.
>The ending is just "and then you shot a laser at the spooky bad skeleton and everything was better forever, okay time to fuck off now". I wasn't really expecting a repeat of P3's ending but man it's a lot lamer by comparison
The only parts of P4 that felt like improvements were the dialogue choices you can only take if your social stats were high enough and that you had slightly more (not really interesting) things to do at night, partly because you have more stats to raise.
but P3 doesn't have Chie in it
>>323929189
It is easier to self-insert in P4 than in P3 as P3 is too grimdark for certain individuals.
>>323929189
>>323929279
Persona 4 had certain quality of life improvements that streamlined the gameplay. I played Person 3 first, but I can see how someone who has played Persona 4 before playing 3 would have a hard time adjusting to 3 and not like it.
P4G>P3>P4>P3P
>>323929434
this desu. P3 is superior in every other way.
I preferred TV world over tartar sauce and enjoyed direct control over party members. Even if you don't want direct control over them, you can keep them ai controlled anyway. P4 soundtrack is good in its own right.
>>323929434
>>323929659
persona 3 has superior anime girlfriends as well
the sports team girl in p3 was way more interesting than chie and she wasn't even a main character. all chie did the entire game was be used by the writers to spur the plot forward by going HEY IM JUST TALKIN NONSENSE HERE BUT WHAT IF *NEWEST PLOT POINT* IS A THING HUH? I almost thought she was a bad guy it kept happening so much
>>323929469
It's not really grimdark because you win in the end
>>323929638
Close but no cigar
P4G > P3P > P4 > P3FES >P3
>>323929815
>you win in the end
you call that winning? if it wasn't for Liz the world would have ended a couple of times already.
>>323929790
they removed over half of the options you could give the AI in P3 from P4, including the most important one where they either attack a weakness or do nothing at all
so no, you can't really use the AI in p4 but the combat is even simpler because you have so many safeguards to avoid getting ganked
>>323929885
>P3P
>Good
losing the anime cutscenes completely fucks up some of the most important parts of the game, it has super long loading times, and they did a bunch of dumb shit to the combat to make it more like persona 4 but not only did they half ass it but persona 4 has worse combat
>>323930018
???
You seal nyx and then everyone besides you gets a happy ending while you ambiguously die after seeing all your bros one last time.
Is this something from the answer? I was told it's not very fun and the story is basically just a bad fanfic that explains things that don't need to be explained, so I didn't bother.
4 was more cheerful and was easier.
Easier games always get better reception.
>>323930107
Sorry, I don't enjoy watching the AI play the game for me.
>cutscenes
That's the only con I see, and FeMC makes up fro it.
No point in having these threads anymore, the series has been ruined by bandwagon hoppers and bronies
>>323930578
>Instead of watching the game play itself for me, I would rather waste the extra second of my life that I'll never get back manually picking the exact same option (because all you do in this game is use the move their weak too and heal) and then watch the exact same animation anyway take even longer because the PSP version has to load between every single animation
>All of this extra time being wasted (because over the course of this 50+ hour game there are 100's of fights) is worth it because I get to be an anime girl with 95% identical story and gameplay
You have mental issues, seek help.
>>323930867
Don't forget the furries
P3's pace felt far too slow for me. The main plot of P4 (the murder mystery) is overarching the whole time, so it feels like you're always making a tiny bit of progress every month, whereas in P3, it takes until like summer until you get any decent plot to begin, outside of 'kill the shadows because they're bad'
That, and early game P3 is a slog in dungeon. Takes forever to level up and you have a shit selection of Personas, then later, it becomes laughably easy to whiz through Tartarus, even if you aren't using a specialised build.
At least in P4, the only time it feels like you can storm through dungeons easily was around Heaven/Magatsu Inaba. Dungeons were always 2 days at least to clear, since the Fox was bank breaking to use until you had nearly completed The Hermit
I'm just playing through P3 for the first time
Social Links are fun, I decided to max Chariot, Strength, Lovers, Priestess and Emperor first. But shit, Tartarus is such a fucking chore. Am I really going to explore all 200+ floors of it? Does the appearance even change? I'm at 47 now and it changed once.
Don't waste your time while trying to spoil shit, I already know that MC and Shinji die
Which one you prefer is dependent almost entirely on which you played first. P3 is better made without question, but it still has enough flaws that the games are about equal to each other and whichever you played first will most likely be the experience that sticks with you and the second will feel a bit like an imitation. There are cases in which people prefer the second one they have played but they seem rare.
Also, Chie is best girl.
I like them both, but Persona 4 has morecomfyatmosphere. Also I really liked Adachi.
>>323929434
>chie
>waifu for closet homos
>>323931752
I don't really agree.
P4 had the murder mystery thing going the entire time, but it was just "I'm the REAL mastermind" over and over. It got pretty hard to take seriously by izanami.
Also with the dungeons, P4 dungeon floors are way longer than p3 ones and in P4 you have to wait weeks between new dungeons because you're waiting on someone recovering.
>>323931859
There's noting stopping you from just climbing the stairs over and over instead of manually searching every floor, just wait until you're getting your ass kicked before you start to slow down again
but yeah there's 5-6 different 'areas' of tartarus
a cool thing is that the music gets more and more notes added to it until finally it's actually a song and not just random background noise
>>323931859
It changes appearance a couple of times, but nothing will redeem how shit Tartarus is. P4 dungeons are better at least, although they're still not great. The dungeon design is easily the worst thing about Persona and I seriously hope it's better in 5.
I highly recommend you do the Sun and Tower S. Links, easily the best ones in the game.
Hating Tartarus is a meme. Scaling a giant evil tower with your friends and waifu is maximum comfy.
>>323932078
That is not Naoto
>>323932349
It's kids who can't handle grinding, they're the reason turnbased JRPGs are getting less and less common
>>323931047
I thought you liked P3. You might as well watch a let's play.
>>323932197
I'm going to level up my Courage after Charm (I need it for the lovers social link) and start the Sun one. It's the monk, right?
Also where do I find the Tower?
Persona 3 does everything better except for gameplay and dungeon design. P4 is just more replayable.
>>323932460
That's the thing. Grinding isn't even necessary if you fuse the right personae.
>>323929189
Persona 4 is literally a carbon copy of P3 but with more weeb stuff to keep their new otaku audience satisfied, play the only Persona that isnt a reading simulator, P1
>>323932349
Tartarus is actually complete shit. Only good part is when you finally get to the top it makes for a good symbol of showing how far you have come and the top of Tartarus is a good setting for the final boss. Otherwise it's repetitive and boring.
>>323932460
>Grinding
>any Persona game
>any Megaten game
>>323932502
Tower is the monk. The Sun is the guy in the striped shirt at the shrine, you have to get to Rank 3 or something in the little girls S. Link and you have to get an item to start it.
>>323932653
any randomly generated dungeon gets repetitive. I found Tartarus to be leagues better than P4's corridor hell.
>>323929189
I remember having long bouts of time in 3 not really doing anything and just waitung for something to happen. 4 is paced really well so you are almost never bored. Havent played 3 in a while though
tarterus was pretty bad but the concept of characters getting tired and the mechanics related to the dugeons like spliting up and the reaper made it a bit more acceptable
what also helped is that every floor was pretty small and that shadows are terrified of stairs so you can pretty easily rush through everything
persona 3 was a pretty experimental game so it's more acceptable that a part of it is kinda unfinished
persona 4 however was so obviously built of P3's engine/foundation that the fact that it's dungeons aren't really any better (and in some ways they're WORSE because they put a bunch of annoying backtracking and made the individual floors take way longer) way more unacceptable
I liked the social links in P3 more, also having Elizabeth give you the jobs instead of random NPCs was a lot more convenient.
I played P3 and it made me fall in love with the series, but I like P4 more.
>Story
P3 is more intense and dramatic, and has a better ending, but I actually prefer P4's cozier, more hopeful story. Also P4's plot is much better and has way better pacing. P3 kind of feels like "things are happening and you're also going to school" whereas in P4 works better with the day-to-day life sort of gameplay, if that makes sense.
>Gameplay
4's social links are way better. Being able to have social links with all of your party members, as well as the social links affecting their actions in battle, is way cooler than P3. I prefer the dumbed-down battles in P4 just because it made things more fun, plus the party members' special moves are an interesting touch.
>Graphics/design
It is kind of unfair since it is a newer game but P4 is obviously better. Character designs are better, monster designs are DEFINITELY better (almost all of the bosses are black blobs in P3) and the dungeon designs are better (since they have actual designs, whereas Tartarus is just like a funhouse without any real design or theme.
>Soundtrack
P3 actually wins this one in my opinion. P4's soundtrack is fanatstic but 3's just has more memorable songs.
>Waifus
Yukiko>Naoto>Chie>Aigis>Mitsuru>Yukari>Rise>Fuuka
P3's party was better in the story, but holy shit are 80% of the slinks in 3 shitty
Compared to 4 where about 30% are shittyFuck you Naoki, you suck
P4 had best girl too
>>323933145
>whereas in P4 works better with the day-to-day life sort of gameplay
Hey Yu, wanna go rescue ____?
Nah, I still have 15 days to worry about that.
>>323932974
I'd say it's debatable which is better but they're definitely both bad. I prefer the TV world simply because it had more variety, I got sick of hearing the Tartarus music even if it changed itself slightly. The extra music Fuuka had on offer wasn't enough to vary it up either.
>>323933003
Both of them can drag in parts and get really boring.
>>323933186
>Not liking Naoki
He was a pretty good guy.
I liked Persona 3 more but goes like this for me
>Story
P3
>Characters
P3
>Gameplay
P4
>Pacing
P4
>Music
P3=P4
>Waifu's
P3
Also P3 had best girl, but that changes for everyone.
>>323933186
>implying kaz arc wasn't great except ending
>>323933545
Huh, for me if there was one thing i thought was outright better in 3 it was the music
>>323929189
Persona 3 is a much better RPG because you are actually playing a role in this game
It has a lot of little touches that work together to make you feel like you're actually the main character and not just a ghost that controls the entire parties equipment and choses what they do in fights
Stuff like having to manually talk to people to give them stuff (and sometimes having them replace old equipment with newer stuff) or have them heal you, having them ask if they can just leave fights because they're too tired from dungeon crawling, the AI party members and your party members having lives that don't always involve Makoto.
Persona 4 does away with all of this, you just go into the menu to heal or give people stuff and your party members all roate around you like so many satellites. Chie and Yukiko have apparently been friends for years yet there's maybe one scene in the whole game where they interact without narukami around. (they don't even stand next to eachother in school or anything despite being deskmates) Meanwhile in persona 3 you have a bunch of scenes where yukari and junpei are hanging out.
Persona 3 has a moment where yukari can't go dungeon crawling because she's on the rag or something and doesn't feel well, and that makes it way more immersive than 99% of all JRPGS. You can argue stuff like that doesn't make a game better to actually play/enjoy, but it's certainly interesting
>>323929189
I liked P3's social links far better than P4 too.
It feels like the relationships you build are more meaningful. Like with the old couple, or the dying man in the park. I really did not care for the ones in P4.
>>323933384
>european ps2 version of p4
what a fucking joke
P3: Generic dark supernatural anime that takes place in a school setting
P4: Generic mystery supernatural anime that takes place in a school setting
>>323929189
That's nice and all OP, but P3P is superior
>>323931859
What I did
>rush through every room looking for stairs
>get to the boss
>beat the bosses
>go until I can't keep going because story progression
>spend the rest of the month fucking around
>>323931863
I played P4G and then P3 FES and I liked P3 a lot better.
>>323933884
I prefer P4 and I actually agree with you in all those points. They definitely make the game more interesting, but they also make gameplay more annoying.
>>323933884
Having days that they cant go is okay but
>Ken cant fight a boss because hes off teamkillingyes i used Ken
>Aigis is out for like a month when its nearing the deadline of the last boss
Fuck that
>Has characters that felt way more interesting and not just members of your harem
This is literally the only reason why anyone even likes Persona 4
>>323932621
>>323932749
I don't mean level grinding you fucking retards, I mean a grind in general, they say there are too many floors and not enough variety, they think it's too much of a grind
So fuck off with your dumbass memes
>>323934163
>no models outside tartarsauce
>shitty vn elements the whole time
the only plus was that you could fuck shinji and akihiko
also
>no junpei romance
>>323932142
Yeah, not saying the plot doesn't really flub its landing a bit, but it's still got some drive going for it early on. I was bored of P3 near the start, nearly dropped it because it felt like absolutely nothing was happening
You have to wait a month for a new block of Tartarus to open in P3 as well once you've reached the top floor in the first night its open, there's no difference. Not really getting your other criticisms of P4's dungeons either. They're larger floors, but there are less of them with no halfway points, outside of the top floor.
>>323934329
The BEST VERSION
>>323930018
In the Answer it was shown that Minato's seal is perfectly sufficient to keep Erebus out. SEES fights Erebus because it targets Aigis, and Liz just fights it because.
>>323933884
agreed. Too many people dismiss these aspects of P3 because "they don't add to gameplay." The reality is that immersion is what makes or breaks games like persona.
>>323929638
FES>P3P>P4>P4G
>>323934383
>Only two girl of lesbian for her
I can't lie that I wasn't a little disappointed by that, but I liked her and her S-inks for the most part.
>>323929189
Play mainline faggot
>>323934389
Liz is basically a whiteknight trying to keep her waifu from being defiled by a large mass of hate.
>>323934625
Mainline is just as easy as persona and not nearly as entertaining. Also, Persona is mainline now, so fuck off.
>>323934675
>Only Lizz and Aigis are the only ones that speak of or think of the MC in P4A
Really what the hell is up with that in P4A ?
>>323934910
I recall one of the P3 party members seeing Yu and remarking that he reminds them of "him"
>>323934620
>>323934383
>wanting to tarnish a good game with dykes
>>323934756
Mainline has actual dungeons, unmutilated pressturn combat and minimal cutscenes interrupting the gameplay
Also, it has a chance of curing your faggotry
>>323934910
>>323935135
Mitsuru mentions him and says he was more than a friend to her.
>>323934332
>I was bored of P3 near the start, nearly dropped it because it felt like absolutely nothing was happening
See for me I was way more into the opening months of p3 than I was p4
p3 has a bunch of crazy anime cutscenes where a girl almost shoots herself and the world gets all fucked up and an evangelion leaps out of a guy and devours a spooky blob/knife monster and then you're told about how there's monsters eating people shit man we gotta do something about it quick
I wanted to see where they were gonna take this, there was ironicaly enough more of a sense of mystery than the actual mystery in persona 4's opening, which was just
>you're new in town
>literally two-three hours of advancing text (you have your first dungeon crawl within the first 30 in P3) where nothing happens besides character introductions
>then finally crazy shit starts happening lets go see whats up with this TV zone I guess because that really bored girl probably died in here and maybe others will too
>>323935258
I play both and came to call you faggot.
I will be enjoying P5 and the new SMT well you cry in a corner and be jaded as fuck.
>Why do people
>I found
You might think I'm crazy but for one reason or another I think it has something to do withpersonal taste.
So why does Dojima still like Adachi?
>>323934910
>A character in persona arena is written badly
stop the fucking presses
>>323935509
Because Dojima's a friendless asshole that takes what he can get
>>323935269
Did she ?
I don't remember that and I also I figured Yukari would have more of a shout out to him or something in the game after all of shit she did in The Answers.
>>323935509
>>323935373
Congratulation on both playing a (good) game and having shittaste in anime, I don't care and maybe you should stop projecting
>>323933858
They're both great, but I think it's fair to say they're equal, especially if you include the new songs from P4G. If we were talking about P3P I would probably give it to P3 though, despite losing Heartful Cry from FES, the FeMC music is all fantastic.
>>323935607
japan hate hate hates yukari because she's the only girl in either game that's written to behave like a regular high school girl would instead of a goofy anime harem sterotype
same reason she gets more and more replaced by aigis as the heroine of P3 even though it's very obviously yukari in the original version and aigis only does a few things at the end
>>323935558
If they are going to write shit badly at least not make it canon and the first P4A wasn't that bad, but P4U now that was bad.
>>323935509
Pity and attachment
>>323935607
It's in either her vanilla Arena story mode or Yu's. I can't remember now
>>323935726
Yukari is built for sex.
>>323929189
People generally prefer 4 because waifus and you have to be really new to jrpgs to even struggle in that game. It's easy.
>>323935436
Because if you think P4 is better then you don't know SHIT about vidya
>>323935726
Or maybe people hate her because she is a huge bitch. I actually liked her in P4U because she seemed to calmed down some.
>>323929189
Tartarus. P3's "dungeon" is so fucking samey and tedious that i physically can't re-play it ever again. It was a huge chore that ramped fun right down to 0 and I was beyond happy when I had finally finished it. Persona 4 is Scooby Doo adventures in different locations with great music so I'm able to replay it quite often.
>>323935925
And if you think your taste is better than someone elses you don't know SHIT about personal tastes.
>>323935937
>Or maybe people hate her because she is a huge bitch.
One of the very first scenes with yukari involves her spending several minutes apologizing to MC for how she was acting
The only people she acts like a cunt towards (outside of the answer, which is aigis fanfiction) are junpei (who is just as much of a cunt back, it's the same dynamic lisa/ekichi and chie/yosuke have. yukari is one of the few people that really tries to relate to junpei about chidori dying) and mitsuru (who she has every right to be mad at because SHE IS hiding a bunch of shit from her and the rest of the new SEES members, but eventually they come to an understanding)
just because the character isn't a doormat that loves their senpai like the P4 cast doesn't mean she's a cunt you manchild, it means she's a dynamic characterbefore you ask she's not even my waifu, elizabeth is
>>323933145
>Character designs are better, monster designs are DEFINITELY better (almost all of the bosses are black blobs in P3) and the dungeon designs are better (since they have actual designs, whereas Tartarus is just like a funhouse without any real design or theme.
It amazes me that this is genuinely what some people think.
The bosses in P3 are all thematic and way better than anything in P4 from a design perspective. The same goes for Tarter, the entire tower fits in with the rest of the themes and motifs in a really elegant way, and the way it plays with the player is fantastic. You have no idea how tall Tartarus is, you just have to keep going. The repetitiveness actually works out to the games benefit in a lot of ways, like how PT has you just walking through the same hallway. Repetitiveness can be used really well to create reactions from the player. Getting to the top and overcoming the tower is amazing, and then you go and fight the greatest final boss in gaming, who also thematically represents the entire game and is an allegory for the journey through life to death.
There is just nothing in P4 that comes close to the way P3 pulled off its motifs and designs
>>323935979
The "different locations" in P4 are exactly the same as Tartarus, though.
>>323934910
>tfw most P3 girls wouldn't mind doing Yu
>>323935979
not only is an individual dungeon floor in P4 literally two/three times as big as one in P3, but P4 also has lots of backtracking in it's later half of dungeons
that is way, WAY worse than P3
>>323936318
>fight the greatest final boss in gaming
The sad thing is that there really aren't many better final bosses in the megami tensei franchise as a whole. Maybe Mem Aleph, but she still has artificial difficulty and grinding bullshit before you can enjoy her.
Persona 3 genuinely has the best final boss in megaten.
>>323932460
>turnbased JRPGs are getting less and less common
Good. Games like Nier proved that there are better methods of combat that work in JRPG's
>>323936724
Really? Nier is your example?
No one ever praised Nier's gameplay.
>>323936318
>>323933884
posts like these are why this argument can still be so heated even though these games came out like eight years ago
persona 3 is a lot more experimental and has some more crazy ideas, but a lot of them are kind of annoying to actually play
persona 4 plays things more safe but also makes things more convenient/pandering for the player
it really depends on your temperment
>>323936724
Out of all the action rpgs you picked fucking nier? the game that actively makes fun of you for doing side quests because lots of them are intentionally wasting your time?
>>323936724
Are you implying that Nier has a decent combat system? Nigga you crazy.
>>323936309
Yukari is a cunt, she may also be a dynamic and more realistic character, but that doesn't change the fact that she's a bitch. A better person wouldn't have dragged their friends to a dangerous backalley and then hid behind them while taunting the things that were there, nor would they get mad at you for helping to retrieve somethign stolen from them. Junpei is a much better way to do a more realistic character.
>>323936435
Why lie on the internet? each location has it's own feel, design, and music and were far shorter. Tarturus barely mixed anything up at all until the last several floors.
>>323936597
Tarturus had you walking the same looking floors for 10-20 floors at a time, then when you make it past that, it changes hue and presents you with another 20 floors. Backtracking is nothing to someone who's been playing vidya for 20+ years, but lack of design and tedium is the killer for any game and by fuck P3 has it in spades.
>>323935607
Yukari questions why Elizabeth has Thanatos.
Persona 4 dungeon and social aspects of the gameplay are better than Persona 3.
And Persona 2's plot is better than both of them.
>>323936919
I would argue the short length and randomness of Tartarus was more enjoyable than the extremely lengthy hallways in Persona 4. Even if the wallpaper changes, every P4 dungeon is the same.
ITT: the kids fight over which anime they liked more again
>>323936858
> A better person wouldn't have dragged their friends to a dangerous backalley and then hid behind them while taunting the things that were there
this entire scene is retarded because the characters should have no reason to fear the thugs on account of taking giant blasts of fire to the chest every other night. it's just a hamfisted way to introduce shinji
>nor would they get mad at you for helping to retrieve somethign stolen from them.
when was this?
>>323936969
>>323937040
Persona 2 is trash with horrid gameplay and a meme story. It might have been good if they ended it with Innocent Sin but then Eternal Punishment ruined a perfectly ballsy ending for something contrived.
>>323937040
Persona 2 is way more anime than 3/4, go fuck yourself.
Eikichi goes from a random two bit gang leader to someone that has a fucking magic ghost that shoots lasers while fighting literal monsters with a guitar case that's also a gun in the span of about 10 minutes and at no point does he stop and realize how insane that is
persona 3 and 4 at least tired to handle the idea of teenagers suddenly being given superpowers realistically
>>323936821
>posts like these are why this argument can still be so heated even though these games came out like eight years ago
That's part of why I love this series, and I think it's a testament to how good the games are. This kind of dissucsison is good and meaningful, and I don't think there are many other series where the same can be done to this degree. The P3/P4 duo isartisticallyreally fascinating, and I can't wait to see how P5 fits in to the motif
>>323937007
Then we must simply agree to disagree.
>>323937047
Yukari's wallet had been taken from her by some men and she went to get it back do you:
>Help get it back
Fuck you asshole I could have got it back myself
>Don't help
Why the fuck didn't you help me
This was during her social link and that other guy didn't even count in the really dick things she did and said during The Anwsers.
>>323937047
They don't carry around their Evokers everywhere. Didn't you see Junpei reel in pain when he got punched?
I mean, by this logic, MC shouldn't have lost the tournament.
>>323937117
>meme story
>>323937206
this is completely correct though
>>323937047
>Hey mean looking assholes with weapons "fuck you"
>Ok Junpei do something I am a girl
Really fuck Yukari.
>>323937591
She was just mad in general and took it out on you no matter what you chose. It's normal desu
>>323937047
I think in the movie they say that the Dark hour greatly enhances their physical abilities
After all Persona is Shonen, so you have to count that bullshit in
>>323929189
I liked Persona 3 a bit better than Persona 4 because I like city settings better and it has my waifu Toriumi-sensei.
>>323937218
man, barring junpei and akihiko, those designs look way better than the actual p3 designs
it managed to make me like yukikos design bygiving it to best girl
>>323937940
So you pretty much just said she is a bitch then.
>>323937206
Yeah because fighting with fans and school chairs makes much more sense, get rekt
>>323938180
I wouldn't say she's a bitch for it. feeling powerless while being mugged by a pack of niggers is an intense situation.
>>323938349
Fans would be acceptable since weaponized fans DID exist.
The problem is Yukiko uses normal fans made from wood and cloth.
>>323937591
I looked up the game script, you are a big liar.
She thanks you for all three choices you have to get the punks to leave.
Afterwards she goes get mad but it's followed by a text box saying
> Yukari is trembling. It doesn't seem like she really means what she's saying.
Then unless you try to awkwardly hug her like an autist even though this is only Slink rank 5, she once again thanks you and the scene ends.
So either you're compeltely forgetting stuff, or you just suck at social links
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/932312-shin-megami-tensei-persona-3/faqs/50317
>>323937640
>>323938040
This entire idea doesn't make any sense and also isn't mentioned anywhere in the game itself, it's just a dumb scene that happens because we need to introduce shinji and show how cool and strong he is
as for makoto losing the tournament that still makes sense because makoto only loses because he doesn't have the technique, thats why the guy is so impressed by you and becomes an slink
>>323938349
if you assume personas give you an AT field against shadows and you can use any weapon, it makes a lot more sense for high schoolers than fucking maya and her double pink handguns she somehow got in japan where guns are super rare outside of a miltary base
even naotos guns are just airsoft
>>323938549
Personas give the user heightened technique. That's why Tatsuya was a master swordsman taking down armed soldiers.
>>323938349
persona two has characters throwing flowers and coins
>>323938549
>naotos guns are just airsoft
Dumbest shit ever.
>>323938672
persona 3 is a soft reboot so using persona 2 rules isn't really fair
>>323938983
It's just shit they made up outside of the game because Japs are triggered by guns.
>>323938549
Actually, reading more of this faq, you're even more of a wrong idiot. Here's the opening to yukari slinks rank 6
>Yukari: Hey...
>Yukari: Do you remember when those guys stole my wallet, and you came to help me?
>Yukari: Um...
>Yukari: Sorry I got so mad at you...
>Yukari: I don't like having to depend on other people. I wanted to be able to take care of it myself...
>Yukari: ...but I ended up needing your help.
>Yukari: ......
>Yukari: I never told you this...
>Yukari: ...but I was really glad you came.
>Yukari: I don't think I could say this to anyone else, Minato-kun...
>Yukari: Thanks for your help back then. I really appreciate it.
so I was 100% right, just because yukari isn't all over your dick 24/7 for no reason people hate her
>>323935859
Does P3 have an anime?
>>323939327
any semblance of a semi-realistic girl breaks the neckbeards wish fulfillment fantasy.
>>323939130
Unless the blacksmith lets on a lot more than he actually does, the entire framing device is that he's making cermonial/display pieces and you just happen to actually use them
Him making actual guns instead of just airsoft replicas of guns breaks this already kind of wacky idea that's only there because you need a weapon shop in a jrpg
>>323939461
Movies. Two are out, third comes out on bluray in a week. Final (unless they make one based on the Answer) movie comes out in Japanese theatres in 10 days or so.
>>323939461
it has some movies but they suck unless you're an aigis fanboy
>>323939327
Sorry doesn't fix everything. You can't act like a can't and expect people to forgive You.
Fuck Yukari and Fuck Cuntpei.
>>323939327
>Hey you know that time I tried to kill everyone in SEES and the destroy the world
>Also said horrible things to all of my friends
>Also I never said sorry
I mean She said sorry there, but fuck Anwsers Yukari is a cunt.
>>323939650
Man, you must have no friends. Do you seriously cut ties with everyone you know after a few issues like that? We're only humans. We lose our tempers or say things we don't mean, or we end up saying or doing stupid shit. If that's enough for you to cut ties with someone, then you probably weren't friends to begin with.
Or what, do you need people to perform a ritualistic blood sacrifice before you can deign to forgive them?
>>323939929
the answer is non-canon fanfiction for toaster fuckers
yukari acts like a cunt because making the other girl the writer doesn't like a total bitch for no reason is the #1 tactic of fanfic writers
>>323939461
They are pretty good, but lots of Aigis screen time that is ok if you like her.
>P4 city more comfy
>P3 combat's "depth" is learning to deal with shitty AI
>P3 story lacks interesting antagonists
>P4 has multiple endings
>P4 has better boss fights
>P4 has memorable dungeons rather than shitty Tartarus
>P3 has awful Tartarus music while P4 has great music in dungeons as well
COME AT ME BRO
Agreed, I hope you had a wonderful time playing Persona 3 blind.
Persona 4 brought the Undertale demographic before Undertale even existed. Both good games, Persona 3 is just more on point than Persona 4.
>>323940182
>the answer is non-canon
Holy shit denial.
>>323940247
>bringing up undermeme for no reason
My little P3fag can't be this desperate.
>>323929189
>>323929279
This is exactly how I feel about the two. When I first got 4 I was hugely excited because I had just gotten 3FES on a whim one day and it turned into one of my favorite games. I only ended up getting more and more disappointed as it went on though.
>>323933884
THIS THIS THIS
Persona 4 may be "better" to you because it's newer, has "streamlined" gameplay by comparison and its upbeat attitude or whatever, but Persona 3 is, by definition of a game, the better game.
In Persona 3 you're playing a certain role; yeah you're a self-insert but your parents are dead due to your link with the story. Everything in Persona 3 is perfectly planned out to tie in and link together; the game's theme is "Death" - not just people dying but more in lieu with the Tarot concept of the meaning of death and change. You ever notice that the Persona users' arcana are the first fourteen suits; from Fool to Death? Every single character is there for a reason. The game accentuates the fact that you are living in this world by, as previously mentioned, forcing you to talk to people you want to equip, or heal, or change out. Similarly, your team members go through their own story and their Personas evolve regardless of whatever you do. They exist. I really liked the idea of having party members you can't control: they have a very limited moveset and usually pick what's optimal; but it makes sense you can't control them because they can't read your fucking mind. Idiots who complain about Mitsuru using Tentarafoo don't understand that part of the challenge of the battle system is to plan for what your allies are doing; if you don't want to be using Tentarafoo on a boss, don't bring Mitsuru.
The story is brilliant; expertly planned and it all fits together. The twists are unexpected but make sense; the setting is fun and the conflict makes you care about what's going to happen. The ending is absolutely insane, probably the best ending I've ever seen for anything and the absolute best way to end a role that you, the player, are meant to be filling; kind of like how Tiz passes out in Bravely Default because the Celestial controlling him (you) is no longer present.
Hell, even the Personas themselves tie directly in with their characters.
>>323940307
I know it isn't literally, but it should be
It has no reason to exist beyond masturbating over aigis and explaining the ending of P3 to retarded people that somehow didn't get the entire game was leading up to MC dying
>>323933384
>Inclusive Soundtrack
Did crippled interracial transgender midgets do the soundtrack of the European version?
>>323940182
>the answer is non-canon
>Confirmed canon
You are so mad your waifu got cucked by a toaster.
>>323940202
>P3 doesn't have multiple endings
>P4 has better music
>P3 has worse antagonists
And the P4 dungeons are only slightly better than Tartarus
>>323940501
No. All copies of P4 come with the OST. That's it.
>>323940487
Maybe if Yukari wasn't such a shit she wouldn't be such a super shit in The Answer.
Please cry more.
P1+2>sewage bath>P3>P4
>>323940345
Persona 4 brought more anime bandwagoners than Persona 3 ever did. And you can spot these fuckers out from the cosplay almost immediately.
It didn't help that Persona 3 got 2 animes series and a movie. Why so afraid of the truth? You really took Undertale insult personally for no apparently reason.
>>323940609
>P4 has better music
Bullshit.
>>323940202
Nice try
>>323939997
They just need to stop acting like assholes.
Junpei first acts like a bitch because he wanted to be the leader like in his rpgs. Then he acts like a bitch again because muh Chidorita.
So girl he just met > his 'friends'
I'm so tired of people sucking his dick actling like he is the best friend ever.
Same shit with Yukari, she goes full bitch during the answer.
>>323929189
Nah.
P4's story is better paced, the combat is just as hard as P3's, the dungeons in P4 are better designed (still not very good though) and while the characters and overall story are subjective, i think that P4 made better use of the "friendship always wins in the end" theme that they have going on on this series.
>>323940202
>P3's city has more NPC's with their own mini arcs and they're more spread out so you actually had a reason to wander around town. Also watching things get more/less fucked up as the story progressed was a way more interesting feeling than just "it's foggy every day now"
>Unless you don't understand the tactics menu the AI gives you zero issues. If you've ever had mitsuru use marin karin instead of healing you it's because you're a moron that didn't set her to heal you
>P4 has way more antagonists and none of them do anything as effective as killing shinji or spreading nyx worship. Strega also helps show the moral ambiguity of the kirjijou group (the real villian of the story) which is a lot more interesting than antgonists like "I murdered people because nobody wants to fuck me" "I murdered people because nobody wants to fuck me AND I have a shitty job" and two seperate versions of "I'm going to murder humanity because thats what this one specific part of the world wants"
>P3 also has multiple endings, and the multiple endings is actually an interesting moral choice and not just "you fucked up so we're ending the story early"
>the combat/dungeon stuff is opinion based
>P4 had actual music but I liked how the P3 dungeon music built on itself as you climbed through the various segments of the tower
>>323940487
Well Aigis was the better girl, but the only thing Yukarifags know how to do insult other girls to try to make Yukari look better.
>>323940962
>That kid by the bookstore never got the cat
>>323940883
Don't worry man he pretends The Answers never happened and isn't canon here>>323940182
So Answer Yukari never happened plus it is all AIgis's fault.
>>323940883
He never acts like a bitch because of Chidori. He gets frustrated due to his self-esteem issues, and later he snaps at you in a moment of weakness because of the coming apocalypse. Seriously, who could blame him? He never gets pissed at you about Chidori.
And in The Answer, she sees the possibility of saving MC and tries to take it. It wasn't the correct choice, but it was understandable. There are countless people on this planet who would attempt to bring a loved one back to life if they had the opportunity to do so, consequences be damned. It's human to want what was lost. Even I'm not confident that I'd be able to make the right choice if such an option was given to me.
>>323940883
characters that have flaws and overcome them are bad
it's not like overcoming your flaws is literally the entire cornerstone of the slink mechanic and really personas as a concept in general, that just means they go from calling you senpai to senpai-kun
eat shit
for the record every single character (including aigis) acts widly out of character and in general like a moron during the answer, because it sucks
3's soundtrack sucks
it does not have better graphics
being at the mercy of your party's shitty AI is not depth
had a party full of clowns and cunts
it has a plot but it's just grimdark edge shit and the antagonist for most of the game (strega) are just cunts who are mysterious and the big reveal is that they're just cunts
>>323940962
>>P3's city has more NPC's with their own mini arcs and they're more spread out so you actually had a reason to wander around town.
P4 had that too.
>>P3 also has multiple endings, and the multiple endings is actually an interesting moral choice and not just "you fucked up so we're ending the story early"
The "alternate ending" in P3 is a you picked the wrong option so we are ending the game earlier.
P4 and P3 don't have "alternate endings", they have fake, bullshit endings.
Hopefully P5 will actually have alternate endings like SMT has.
Also the antagonists in the P3 and P4 are pretty shit.
They are bad guys because they are a bunch of edgy motherfuckers.
>>323941186
No they fucking wouldn't do that because then then their love one gets to die fucking again along and so the does everything on planet.
Plus trying to kill your friends saying horrible things to them is not in any a ok thing to do under any circumstances.
Why do people like P3's soundtrack more?
It's pretty much opening videos music + baby baby baby + ineverfeltlike. Am I missing something?
>>323940469
By comparison:
In Persona 4 you're this guy who feels like the game is DESPERATELY trying to make you think is "cooler" or "better" than the Persona 3 guy. It's easier this time to get with girls. You're from a city so you're already better than everyone. The game's theme is "Truth" which is not a bad theme for a game at all; but truth is not a Tarot card so the entire arcana motif is useless and irrelevant except for "being a sequel to that game". Characters literally revolve entirely around you; if you don't do their social links their Personas remain shitty and they don't solve their own problems. Their arcanas are fucking crapshoot random ones "to be different" or "Lovers cuz she's a gurl xD". You have some weird fucking mind control over everyone you meet that makes it so you can control them, but 99% of the time you're mashing buttons because you just want them to use their strongest attack (out of 2 possible attacks). What really irked me about Persona 4 can be summed up with this little story: I do graphic design. When I first played Persona 4 I noticed that the icon for "Fire" element in the scan menu is different to the fire icon in the character/persona menu. I think this is because they condensed all melee attacks from Bash/Pierce/Strike to just "Physical" and the icons look similar; but somewhere along the line, they made a new "fire" icon, put it in, and didn't bother to check that it was consistently replaced. The fire icon was fucking FINE before in Persona 3. That sort of shoddy quality control sums up Persona 4 for me.
The story flops around; yeah it's still fun but every character you rescue magically turns out to be a team member unless they're ugly. There are no twists and the killer is literally the only character in the game with a character portrait and voice actor that isn't Dojima, Nanako, dead, or on your team. A game about "truth" just suddenly goes EVERYONE'S GONNA DIE CUZ OF SOME FOG right at the end.
>>323941364
Aigis literally gets rid of a part of her personality. That's why she acts out of character.
Yukari is running on desperation, and desperation is not always the best thing to act on.
Junpei's just being irresolute. He doesn't know what the right thing to do is, but he also doesn't want everyone to fight each other. Honestly, he should have joined up with Aigis considering they were basically saying the same things, but battles needed to be 2vs2 or something.
>>323941531
Because persona 3 music its better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JulmXSbWF0
>>323941490
She wasn't trying to kill them. She was trying to beat them up and take the keys from them. If she was really trying to kill them, she could just hide somewhere and snipe them with her bow.
>>323941474
>The "alternate ending" in P3 is a you picked the wrong option so we are ending the game earlier.
Technically sure, but it feels different and is a legit choice in a way that just fucking up the investigation doesn't
>>323941531
It's objectively better mainly because it's more experimental
I love both OSTs but P3 has that certain feel that makes it way more memorable
Rap in JRPGs is just very rare while happy-go-lucky songs are everywhere
On that note, I wonder what theme P5 will have. I love Meguro
>>323941531
Because Persona 3 is flat out better. And many of the tracks in Persona 4 are re-used from Persona 3. See the Velvet Room, class break, and the class exam tracks.
If we include Persona 3 Portable Female MC's exclusive tracks, it's just a massacre here. Persona 3 > Persona 4 OST.
The Persona 4 Golden anime its shit but it has 1 or 2 neat songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUhkYTruFs
>>323929189
Because /v/ likes moe garbage
P4 goes overboard on the anime clichés and doesn't do well with it
P3 doesn't go overboard and only uses the clichés to its advantage
EVERY
>>323941641
Would have been cool if Namatame had become a party member
>>323941665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-dhRVGWJiM
>>323941641
On top of all of that, they then shit on Persona 3's established world building - in Persona 3, Personas are literally parts of your psyche that manifest as cultural icons and characters. Nyx, which is the ONLY supernatural being that is neither Persona or Shadow, is shown not to be literally "Nyx, the Greek deity" but a fucked up 4th dimensional egg-form bordering on the conceptual.
Then Persona 4 just goes "Hey it's literally Izanagi. You know the one? Yeah". So do gods and goddesses exist or what? Who was the original Izanagi? Where are the other gods? Are other religions real or only Shinto? What the fuck has she been doing for like 4000 years? It just opens so many fucking questions that were already so neatly explained by Nyx and Shadows in Persona 3. I just don't get it.
>>323941896
Ying Yang is literally the only good thing that came out of the golden animation.
>>323941531
>Not appreciating the final boss tracks in 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kBqP06eDRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xO_IX50ruQ
>Or Heartful Cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wi1Y8cmjyM
>>323941856
>Technically sure, but it feels different and is a legit choice in a way that just fucking up the investigation doesn't
No it doesn't feel different.
SMT endings feel different.
In the persona games if pick the wrong option you get robbed, because none of these fake endings are worthwhile or provide closure to the story or characters.
P3 and P4 "alternate endings" are VN levels of shit.
>>323941990
Thanks for proving my point
>>323941653
Aigis was trying to kill herself and by that I mean the human part of her.
Yukari was angry and desperate, but some of shit she said was not cool.
>>323941474
The P3 bad ending blatantly makes it clear that it's the wrong choice, but if you really want to and feel it's the right thing to do you can go for it
The P4 bad ending is 'you didn't figure out the gas station attendant you saw for 10 seconds was god, oh well'
>>323941990
Well but has persona 4 a bbeter ending song?
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlel0bc4M7c&index=57&list=PLRBui0PW4JKRQd1xYlGI5EwYv7vTPLJMo
>>323941148
Damn, you are right. I'm not sure I should bother arguing anymore.
>>323941186
>he gets frustrated
>it was understandable
You can excuse everything with those words.
>>323942184
>People who are angry and desperate act like assholes
Why does P3 get shit on for having realistic characters again? Isn't that a good thing?
My only real issue with P3 is that natsuki didn't become a party member like was originally planned
Once you realize this was the case it's pretty obvious too, she has so much focus along with fuuka and then whoops nevermind and she drops off the game until the very end when fuuka has to do something again. There's even early art that has all the party members and then her lined up
Having a character that was originally a bully try to change themselves would've been a neat dynamic that fit with the rest of the party, and it would've given fuuka someone to hang out with like yukari/junpei and akihiko/mitsuru
Instead we got a dog, which was pretty cool I guess but koromaru is basically just there because "dude a dog with a persona how wacky lmao" and because this is an SMT game so we need cerberus in there somewhere
>>323941474
I'm sorry but
If you seriously picked
>KILL RYOJI
and didn't think "oh man, just gonna see the bad ending before I do January legit"
You shouldn't be playing these games
>>323942120
lol
>>323942184
>Yukari was angry and desperate, but some of shit she said was not cool.
I'm not a Yukarifriend (Mitsuru best grill), but after replaying Persona 3 and The Answer I can understand why Yukari behave the way she did.
If she for a second stopped and allowed herself time to grieve she would become a broken person who couldn't move on. Until her life was stable she wouldn't be able to get through this ordeal.
So her overall attitude isn't that farfetch, people deal with loss in different ways. Having said that the only P3 girl I wanna stick my dick into and never pull out is Mitsuru.
>>323942337
And Ai should have been a P4 party member.
>>323942337
Hey, I agree with you man, but considering what some games have to miss out on due to time constraints I don't think we got a bad deal. Koromaru is tied into the story about as well as he could have been, and another waifu wouldn't really have added that much. If anything I'd have preferred Koromaru because he's appealing to girl players.
>>323942315
So is Aigis and she just tries to slowly kill himself from the inside and that is also stupid.
You don't need to act like a complete bitch to everyone around you.
I don't get angry and then go take it out on other people because I am not a shitty person.
Every single time I see someone complain that people prefer P4 I swear to christ they are from reddit or facebook or wherever. If you spent any amount of time on this board you'd know /v/ prefers P3.
>>323942339
SMT games and its spinoffs usually have worthwhile alternate endings.
Persona series is the only case where if you make the wrong choice you get literally fuck all and get fuck over with a shit ending.
This is a flaw that they need to fix in P5, no matter how much Personafags want to excuse it.
>>323942315
>realistic
Why do you fags keep using the same excuses?
People react to situations differently in real life, your typical badass in your chinese cartoons isn't exactly different from how a badass would act in real life.
P3 had a bunch of fucking assholes that were in no way likeable, why is it that hard to understand?
>>323942480
>Mitsuru
AbsolutelyGod tier taste
>>323942548
It's nowhere as clear as you make it sound. P4 straight up has a bigger audience too because more people played it. I'm pretty convinced 4 is more popular
>>323942548
it seems like the complaints levied against persona 4 can be summed as "the main character is too cool and socially popular i can't relate with him at all"
>>323942743
P4 is pretty much only second to FF7 in terms of normies liking it
>>323942603
I bet you hate Tales of the Abyss
>>323942868
Add Pokemon and Chrono Trigger and we have the Holy Trinity
>>323942059
I thought that the idea was that Nyx was also a goddess like Izanami, who came to grant death to humans or something.
>>323942903
Funny anon, I'm about to start playing Tales of Abyss in the 3DS. I was just gonna boot it just now.
>>323942903
Luke is what 10 years old ?
>>323942789
I don't play video games because I need a friend simulator where I can pretend to be super awesome in high school
You guys ever read 1984?
Persona 4 is the made-up gossip degenerate tabloid media mass-marketed for proletariat sheep.
Persona 3 is the high-brow thoughtful literature of the Party.
I really don't know why people hated The Answers story, I thought it was excellent the way it portrayed them post MC death and what happened to him. A lot of people keep saying "I don't like it because it changes the characters"
>>323942789
>Whenever Yu's not on the screen, everyone should be asking, "where's Yu?"
>>323943132
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>323929189
>Why do people generally say persona 4 is better than persona 3?
Because it is and you P3 fags are desperate butthurt babies
>>323943141
I actually liked the story, it's just shows how much the P3 cast relied on the MC, and how his sudden death broke them. Seeing them overcome it on their own is just wonderful, but the problem is that the Answer is a boring part of the game, since it's just a bunch of long ass dungeons.
>>323942903
>mfw TotA is my favorite Tales but I prefer P4 to P3
I think the difference is that the pacing goes to shit after you're already waist deep in Abyss, where as the pacing is shit from the beginning of P3 and picks up at the end. In theory P3's antagonistic party tickles my dick, but so little happens for so long that I just could not give a fuck about them.
>>323943074
If you don't like casts of assholes then you are in for a wild ride anon. I love them, Abyss and P3 are some of my favorite games, but good luck
>>323943292
Let me dumb it down for you than blartposter
>P4 is made for dumdum weeb extremists
>P3 is made for intellectual men
>>323942059
At what point do they say 'it's literally Izanagi'. Izanagi and Izanagi no Okami are just different facets of the Protagonist throughout his journey that show as his Persona evolving.
Izanagi as a Persona is something granted by Izanami (who was just a big shadow that took on her form, made of the fog, which represented humanity's preference to cloud themselves from the truth if it hurt) to those in her games, which is why both Yu and Adachi have it (with Namatame presumably having it too, but never awakening it)
Erebus is the same deal as Izanami, just a fuckhuge shadow that can affect things outside of the Collective Unconscious
>>323943141
It made Yukarifags angry.
But really Aigis tries to kill her emotions and human self and Yukari being a huge angry bitch to everyone was sort of cool.
I liked AIgis's and Yukari's interactions with each other because you could see she was jealous and hated her for getting his Persona and wildcard.
>>323938549
>tfwam autisticand went to hug Yukari in that scene
>>323943132
I agree, only a true genleman like you or I can understand the various complexities into this japanese dating simulator where the theme is death
>>323943364
I can understand why people don't like the gameplay (IMHO I really liked the gameplay, it's something I can just sit back and relax)
>>323943446
Let me guess:
Your favorite Star Wars character is Kylo Ren.
>>323943132
Isn't that what P4 is about? Tabloid and outdated views affecting people and stopping them being themselves?
SMT series > all Persona waifu shit
>>323943717
I don't watch star wars
But it's funny that your making assumptions since your too stupid to understand
>>323943490
>muh game is mature because it is about death!
Persona 3 fans really are pathetic right? Ni No Kuni is about death aswell. Being about death doesn't make their game not kiddy shit.
>>323941531
Because Time is the comfiest track this side of fucking anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaNDIDQDHv4
>>323943028
No. The naming is a twist.
When Ryoji tells you about Nyx, you go "Oh, it's cool, I can summon Thanatos! He's a cooler Greek god!" You're probably expecting it to look something like this; the Shin Megami Tensei design. And when you reach it, the game is like
"No. This is not something you can even fight. When you look at it, you can't even truly comprehend its form".
Nyx is a lifeform that is concealed in the fucking MOON. It's not an alien; it's something we don't understand. And it's been there since before human existence. Nyx is the mother of death, and all you can do is to subdue it. Nyx is not a Persona, or a little Shadow monster you can bash on the head. To even touch it you need to use up your entire life force. And that's exactly what you do.
Let me tell you one more thing about just how involved EVERYTHING in Persona 3 is, from the graphics to the characters.
When I first stepped into the final floor of Tartarus and it started up the "Judgment" social link, a chill ran down my spine. Do you know why? Look at the image of it. It's three silhouettes standing on a surface looking up, as this big, black female form descends with a trumpet.
Don't understand?
The designers MADE that Tarot deck for Persona 3. It's out of place in Persona 4 because it doesn't have the same relevance. That Judgment card not only perfectly captures the meaning of the original Judgment card, it also gives it a twist: the Fall is a twisted version of the Final Judgment. It's a deliberate perversion of the original concept - something which Personas, Shadows and everything in between have been doing the entire fucking game. (e.g. Hangedman, Wheel of Fortune)
It's brilliant.
persona 3 tried to do something interesting, it's pretty rough around the edges but the game had been in development for ages and had so many revisions and delays and was trying a lot of fresh ideas. having it not really work was inevitable
persona 4 was made in about a year using lots of reused assets and everything about it was clearly just to cash in on the success of P3 because atlus finally got a mega hit on their hands after decades of being a somewhat obscure developer (see also trinity soul, all of the expanded universe stuff for p3 that never left japan)
>>323943132
>You guys ever read 1984?
Yes. Persona 3 is the worst jrpgs ever made. Persona 4 is the second worst jrpg ever made.
>>323943891
Nah senpai this is the comfiest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHZp1v5uApw
>>323929189
Only thing Persona 4 has head and shoulders about 3 is cleaner combat.
But the combat in those two games isn't exactly mind bendingly great either way.
>>323943469
Sorry, I meant "Izanami".
At no point do they mention Izanami is a Shadow. She talks and acts exactly as if she was the mythical figure. Compare with Erebus, who is a totally unique design and, like Nyx, simply has the game of a deity without copy pasting that deity's entire identity. You can SEE Erebus is a Shadow from the moment you see it.
>>323942903
I hate tales of games in general.
>>323943934
I mean yeah, what you say is how Nyx works in the game and why she was a better final boss than Izanami, but what I meant is that technically she is supposed to be a goddess or something right?
>>323943028
Nyx, according to Persona 3, is a primordial entity who exists as sort of a mechanism of death. She's the embodiment of the concept of death itself, and automatically activates when certain conditions are fulfilled. She's described as a god by Hi-no-Kagutsuchi, but according to Ryoji, there is no word in any human vocabulary that provides an adequate explanation for her existence. She exists, like time and space, and is essentially a universal mechanism designed to fulfill a singular role. She seems to have some sort of will, but that will is pretty irrelevant. In the context of Persona 3, she is the origin and primary mechanism of death.
In Persona Q, they introduce Chronos, who fulfills a similar role, being the embodiment of death as a consequence of time. So Nyx seems to be the primary god of death who embodies death in general, while Chronos is a lower god who manages a single aspect of death.
Zeus, who also appears in the game, is described as a God of Life, opposite of Chronos.
Japanese gods, on the other hand, seem to fulfill a separate role. All of the Japanese gods shown in P4 and its related games so far have dealt with aspects of human social bonds and human desires. Izanami, Hi-no-Kagutsuchi and Mikuratana-no-Kami all fulfilled such roles.
Based on these facts, Greek Gods may be aligned with "higher concepts" beyond human control, such as death, life and time, while Shinto Gods are aligned with "human concepts", such as bonds and desires.
>>323933884
>Stuff like having to manually talk to people to give them stuff (and sometimes having them replace old equipment with newer stuff) or have them heal you, having them ask if they can just leave fights because they're too tired from dungeon crawling, the AI party members and your party members having lives that don't always involve Makoto.
I never see this mechanic defended enough. Having party members making their own decisions and needing to be directed face to face rather than through a menu was humanizing as fuck.
>>323944229
That's where the difference is.
In Persona 3, the only information you get about Nyx is from Ryoji. He doesn't tell you it's a god, and nowhere in the game do they mention Greek deities or why a lot of Personas are named after them (the compendium presents no information relevant to your characters). Nyx is simply called "Nyx" and "the mother of all Shadows".
In Persona 4, they make it a point to shoe-horn the story of Izanagi and Izanami down your throat on at least two different occasions you cannot avoid. When Izanami is revealed she acts, talks, dresses and makes a dungeon as if she's actually THE Izanami. She doesn't look like a traditional Persona Shadow even in her big skeletal true form and she's far more intelligent than any Shadow seen before besides Teddie. If she's not the actual goddess, why all the hints?
Nyx cannot be the actual Nyx from mythology because none of the other Greek gods actually existed; and her story itself does not fit with the mythological Nyx. Nyx never lived in the fucking moon. Nyx had a female body. It was a deliberate twist to make you not know what the fuck to expect, hinted at Ryoji's suggestion to just give up because you could never hope to win. An actual deity your team could probably defeat; Nyx is a force beyond that. As you cannot defeat the wind; in Persona 3 they cannot defeat the force of death. All they do is the equivalent of building a wall to shut out the wind.
>>323944861
I found it boring and intrusive.
>>323944509
Makes sense, but I think that just might be a consequence of tailoring enemies to the theme than pantheons having a theme in and of themselves.
The IT could have been running around with Anubis or Bastet etc. and it still would have been a game self acceptance and truth.
>>323943127
junpei's right up your alley then, it's a 'realistic' take on yu eg that guy that think he's cool but everyone rolls their eyes and deeply sighs when in his presence
>>323943132
This reminds me of that guy that was writing MLP fanfiction entitled "Serfdom in Equestria" that featured the effects of a Marxist society on the MLP universe as a prominent theme.
Quality b8, anon, made me giggle.
>>323945196
Izanami and the other Shinto gods were born from human beliefs and desires. They each represent a particular aspect of human society. Thus, unlike Nyx, the Shinto gods were born AFTER the rise of humanity. It's not possible for the "embodiment of human desire for easy bonds" to exist at any point prior to the rise of humanity. Likewise, Izanami is a wish granter; she exists to fulfill what she believes to be the wishes of humanity.
Direct control>Retarded AI
>>323945472
Needs more >>>>>>>>>>
>>323933884
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>>323940469
Reading these makes me wonder if their going to have this kind of immersion in Persona 5. The themes look solid at least, going by the trailers, but I couldn't stand another Persona where everything and everyone is centered around the resident gary stu protagonist. The fact that the cast felt like their own people with their own lives was one of the best parts about P3 for me. When you finally come together at the end to face Nyx, bonds more than just coworkers like at the beginning, death practically inevitable but still pushing on, it's just fucking beautiful.
Of course, there a lot of other things I could ramble on about, but a lot them have been said already and I have work soon. If Persona 5 get's that kind of immersion down, and makes the main characters feel like real people, then it's already better than Persona 4 in my eyes.
>>323945472
it's all the same shit because the combat is dogshit in both games
at least AI set to something besides "act freely" automates the shitty combat a little so you can focus on the only challenge it has (resource management, something that persona 4 totally fucked with because you have unlimited heals from the fox, you can start from any part of the dungeon instead of only specific floors and party members no longer get tired)
>>323944509
>Nyx, according to Persona 3, is a primordial entity who exists as sort of a mechanism of death. She's the embodiment of the concept of death itself, and automatically activates when certain conditions are fulfilled. She's described as a god by Hi-no-Kagutsuchi, but according to Ryoji, there is no word in any human vocabulary that provides an adequate explanation for her existence. She exists, like time and space, and is essentially a universal mechanism designed to fulfill a singular role.
This is actually what Nyx is in Greek mythology. Zeus and his ilk are small-time upstarts while the older gods are all primordial eldritch horrors that personify a concept rather than controlling it.
