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First time playing this on English and holy shit what's wrong with Leliana's voice actor.
She sounds like an inbred idiot with that lisp, what were they thinking?
I can't bother going through her dialogue anymore.
I understand why so many people hated her now,
>>323913849
Shes French.
they got an actual french voice actress to do her voice.
She doesn't have a lisp, that's just what Baguettes sound like. She's an alright character though, her accent didn't really bother me at all.
>>323913967
The problem is that she forced the accent so much it sounded like someone badly pretending to speak with french accent. It was a bit like a slavic person intentionally rolling every 'r' for two seconds and omitting articles.
>>323913849
Have you never heard aFrench person speaking English?
>>323914490
>forced the accent
Some people just have terrible accents
>>323914898
most of those people live in france
>>323914937
Fuck you
>>323914997
learn proper english you damn dirty frog
>>323914997
FUCK YOU
>>323913849
Was she from Orlais (or whatever)? Fuck those bastards.t. Loghain
Are the Dragon Age sequels that bad? I enjoyed the first game.
I liked leliana desu, after you "harden" her personality, she and alistair are the only two who can actually change during your campaign
its so strange looking back at how edgy DA was and what it became now, I mean come on you could do somethings so irrationally violent that even the freaking violent werewolf NPCs would act really surprised, and what about the trailers with marylin manson music
>>323916412
Yes
>>323916412
they are pretty bad, unless you have nothing else better to do with your time, you should skip them
>tfw DA2/Inquisition completely ignore your previous choices and bring back Leliana because fuck you.
I mean there's plenty of other shit wrong with those games but still, they couldn't even do the ME2/3 route of having some unknown but virtually identical NPC replace her?
>>323916834
No. David Gaider says his waifu lived, she lived.
>>323914937
For most french people they actually force their accent
>>323916412
I'm playing inquisition now since I got it as a gift. Anons weren't exaggerating with the 'single player mmo' criticism, and playing past the normal difficulty is actually tedious and boring since you're recycling the same rotation until thing is dead.
Sera is as bad/ugly as she is in all the screenshots and not in a 'oh, it's just that she's realistic' way. Like... Someone fucked up whole modeling her and she came out unintentionally ugly as fuck with badly textured eyes. The same thing happened with Iron Bull. His body looks like he's standing in front of one of those funhouse mirrors.
There are a handful of good characters (Cullen, Solas - surprisingly) and some of the locations are fun to explore, but it's a very underwhelming game. Play it only if you need a timesink.
Also you miss out of nothing if you skip DA2. Just make sure you use the DA keep website before starting a new game so you can input some of your basic choices.
>>323913849
>you never see your warden again in the sequels
>>323913849
I loved her voice! It was so cute.
"I guess violence is the answer... Sometimes!
"Maker preserve us!"
>>323919250
yep, used to say its gameplay was as bad as Witcher 3. Now I think it's even worse. Witcher 3 is at least kinda fun on Death March, DAI is just a big boring slog that takes forever on any difficulty above normal.
>>323916834
Leliana is relevant to the series.
She is the mary sue of the series actually.
Literally the Jesus of the Dragon Age universe if you hadnt noticed.
>>323920184
Wait, seriously?!
I was pumped as fuck to play the sequels because I thought my badass Warden would eventually make a cameo appearance.
Anyway, I absolutely loved Orogins. It was astonishingly detailed with great dialogue and party banter. I think of it often.
What race dos you guys choose? I was a Dalish Elf. The origin story sucked, but I enjoyed the mythology behind the race and it molded my character's choices quite a bit.
>>323916412
>Are the Dragon Age sequels that bad? I enjoyed the first game.
I'm not exaggerating when I say Dragon Age 2 is the worst game I've ever played. It has literally no redeeming features and is the epitome of everything wrong with letting EA get in charge of a video game's development.
>>323921024
Yes, your warden is too powerful and would kinda ruin any new enemy they came up with in later games so they're off finding a way to solve the issue of The Calling for grey wardens by themselves. The only reason your character in Inquisition is the leader of the Inquisition is because the warden and Hawke couldn't be found so they needed someone else.
>>323921024
>What race dos you guys choose? I was a Dalish Elf. The origin story sucked, but I enjoyed the mythology behind the race and it molded my character's choices quite a bit.
Human Noble is probably the best because of how well it syncs with the main storyline and gives you a lot of options for dealing with the Loghain situation. A close second is Dwarf Noble.
>>323921558
But Hawke is in Inquisition
>>323916412
Nah, dont listen to /v/.
They hate the DA2 and Inquisition because it was when the series became mainstream.
Dragon Age 1 was harder so less people played it.
>Not playing female City Elf
>>323922441
Dragon Age 2 is fucking terrible, don't kid yourself and don't try to justify it with "You only hate it because it's popular" rhetoric. I cannot speak for Inquisition, but DA2 is an atrocity.
>>323921994
Yes, but not until after the Inquisitor had been picked.
>>323922441
Bullshit. DA2 is awful by any standards.
>>323922441
DA2 has a hefty amount of issues that have nothing to do with popularity.
>>323913849
Waifu.
Don't know what happened to her in Inquisition though.
>>323922441
>oversimplified sequels that are more arpg than tactical rpg
>better
hah
>>323922441
I loved Origins and enjoyed Inquisition quite a lot but come on, DA2 is a bad game.
The only redeeming point I can think of for that game isMerriland the Qunari redesign
>>323923021
They need to drop Cassandra already. It's obvious that over the course of 2 games, nobody at Bioware knows what to do with the character
>She's a WARRIOR
>Wait but she's also a romantic
>Nevermind, she has no time for romance
>No wait, she actually loves romance but is awkward
>Wait she's not awkward, she has high standards
>Also even though she's a click above Templars she hates the church
>Nevermind what that guy said, she actually wants to change the church
Her character whips around so much they may as well just retcon her, split her into two entities, and be done with it. No, she's not dynamic or deep, she's poorly written and it shows.
They drew a neat lady with a sword and shield but never got around to crafting a personality.
>>323923427
Elfgirl is shit. Only redeeming feature is getting to murder all the Dalish at the end of her personal questline
>>323916412
DA2 is bad
DAI is ok if you like MMOs
Trespasser DLC is the only truly redeeming part of it
>>323923640
Elfgirl is the only romance who doesn't suck balls for a malehawk
>>323913849
>expecting bioware to make good decisions on their shitty video games
I still don't know why people think their shit was made of gold before EA bought them.
>>323923779
>malehawk
>>323923779
>can't romance Butchtank
>all those romance choices in her quest
Someone at Bioware was having a giggle
>>323923221
>>323923021
>>323922862
>>323922651
>that many replies
>no a single reply actually explaining why DA2/DA:I is so much worse than DAO
As expected of /v/.
And they will still gonna say it has nothing to do with popularity or /v/ hate wagon.
>>323923640
Merril is the only well written character in DA2 alongside with maybe Hawke's sister but she has little to no exposure.
>>323923932
It's an ugly, less fun version of Ultimate Alliance. What else is there to say?
>>323924050
>this mirror will help us!
>I'm totally not some demon's bitch!
>Turns out I was some demon's bitch!
>>323916412
DA2 has awful gameplay, but it's literally the only game in the series with even even a spark of originality. It manages to be better written and have better characters than either of the other two games despite having a final act that feels like it was written, developed and finished in under a week.
>>323924190
She is lost and gullible but yet wield powerful magic. All she wanted was to help her people but she failed doing so allone. This is an interesting take on a female character and should be done more often in vidya.
Plus she iscute
>>323919250
Ugh. I've played the game on every difficulty. There's really never a sweet spot where the gameplay actually feels good. On casual, you basically just do the rotation until the thing dies while it does no damage. On normal and above, you watch your units and if you have half a brain, it's just the rotation until something dies. When you figure out the smart things to do for each class (sword n board with high guard gen for warriors, knight-enchanter for mages, ??? for rogues), it becomes even more easy. I feel like the characters aren't that interesting. Iron Bull's a big perfect action hero who is also a secret agent. Sera's the sort of lolsorandumb but with a point XD that you'd see as someone's first character in a tabletop game.
It feels like so much potential story content was sacrificed to make way for some of the areas. Emprise du Lion and Crestwood were probably the only good post-Skyhold areas. The Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves, and Hissing Wastes all could have been scrapped so we could actually have content between the Arbor Wilds and Corypheus randomly showing up on your doorstep boasting about how he was about to kick your ass despite his army and organization being dismantled.
>>323921024
Yeah. The reason why this happened is because the writers felt that there was no way to portray the warden that would satisfy everyone. Original main characters in RPGs have a tendency to be the measuring stick for all future characters. There's also the issue of his/her personality being more abstract. The people who REALLY want to see their warden more, the people with 1000 headcanons and every detail of their warden's gait, mannerisms, speech patterns, and the like thought out, would be disappointed.
>>323923932
Pros :
Femhawke is qt
They actually went for something different than an ancient evil is awakens and you're not a fucking chosen one or divine child of my ass.
Cons :
Shitty writing
Dumbed down gameplay
They butchered anders
Literally 3 dungeons
Where the fuck is my nigga Sten? (same shit in inquisition)
>>323923932
>anders' whole character and coming on to you with no other way to tell him to stop without gaining rivalry
>quests will all take you to the exact same cave/house/whatever with a section blocked off
>mages feel extremely weak
>all of act 3
>awful looking npc crowds
>mages crying about how templars think they're all blood mages
>THEY'RE ALL ACTUALLY BLOOD MAGES
>combat in general is just mediocre
>all of act 3 again
>awkward animations in cutscenes
It has some stuff I enjoy but being a rushed product really shows.
>>323924823
>Where the fuck is my nigga Sten? (same shit in inquisition)
>he doesn't know Sten staying in the cage and dying is canon
>>323924823
>They actually went for something different than an ancient evil is awakens
Primal Lyrium Idol
I was a little disappointed by missing out on Inquisition, but reading about it not from just 4chan but in general I really don't care for it anymore.
>>323924991
I know you're trollin' bro but Sten is Arishok even if you leave him in the cage.
>>323924823
>a fucking chosen one or divine child of my ass
You aren't the "chosen one" in Originis either. But the "ancient evil awakens" part is true tho.
Also if the story was indeed different, it didn't change the fact it was really underwhelming.
>>323924580
I feel like Emprise shouldn't have even been a zone. For a somewhat open world game, that entire area was extremely linear. You load in, set up camp, then charge onward through the cave and toward the other end of the map and then it's over, with a bonus boss in the form of a few dragons at the end of a bridge.
Fanboys/shills will always assert that the game is good after the hinterlands, but really it was the hinterlands and Emerald graves where I actually enjoyed myself.
I approached the game as a spiritual successor to KoA so I wasn't as disappointed as most, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. Also it would have been nice if all the areas were connected, like in KoA.
>>323924879
>pic
I have to admit, I laughted at that scene.
>>323925425
Was better in Origins
>>323923932
>Can only play a human
>Anders and Justice had their character both destroyed for no reason
>Kirkwall is really shitty and samey looking, so is Sundermount
>Terrible writing in general, tries to play the shades of grey angle but makes Mages all look like psychopaths
>Shitty combat
>WAVE WAVE WAVE can't go anywhere in the city at night without being besieged by 50 goddamn people
Those are just a few things because I couldn't be fucked to finish that game, I couldn't even get through Act 1 it was so damn unfun.
If this thread is inspiring anyone to play DA:O again or for the first time, remember to get the mod that lets you break locks with a stat checks instead of relying on lockpicking. It opens up a lot more party variety and it's not very cheat-like because you still need to pass the stat check and can destroy the items if you fail it.
>>323925079
Yeah, but it's not "raise an army to stop it" kind of ancient evil like the other two games, and destroying it isn't the focus of the plot. (It only becomes a huge threat in act 3, and the lurking idol is far from the only problem in act 3)
>>323924879
Literally the only character who comes into you and bitches when he's turned down in the whole series is Zevran. Anders didn't do shit unless you flirted first.
Meredith was 10/10 milf
Shame she went full retard even if you side with templars.
>>323914997
No, fuck you
>>323925201
You're Flemeth's chosen one, which is apparently pretty damn close to being a divine chosen one anyway.
>>323925732
She has a really rough looking face
I haven't played a single game since origins, and i have no desire to either. The series looks like a god awful soap opera with hamfisted "gay is okay" commentary, it's not a good RPG, it's not a good story, it's not a good game.
>>323925732
>Meredith was a 10/10 milf
You misspelled Wynne
I enjoyed the idea of the gameplay in DA:O, but I felt like I was being overhwlemed most of the time and my other party members wouldn't stop fucking dying. Maybe it's because I didn't have Wynne until near the end and played as a Two Handed Warrior. Also I didn't really find the story that interesting and the pay off to my character's origin story was pretty underwhelming. Are there any other games that have similar gameplay to DA:O but less bland? Been playing KOTOR2, but that's way too easy
>>323925845
In a way they're more of a divine chosen one than the Warden, Flemeth is always going to pick Hawke there's no other choice. The Warden becomes a Grey Warden by chance, it could be any of the other options. The Noble Human, Dwarf Commoner, Dalish Hunter, Mage, etc. They all actually exist at the same time at the start of the game with only coincidence that Duncan is there to save/recruit them.
>>323913849
Dragon Age: Origins is good, worth playing. The combat is fucking boring though.
Dragon Age 2 would have been a 5/10, but the level design was so fucking awful it ruins the entire game. It's horrific.
Dragon Age: Inquisition just drags on way too fucking long, it's basically a waste of time. They didn't know how to make an open world game without it being boring and empty.
>>323926090
Flemeth really only uses Hawke to transport that amulet though. Whereas she specifically tasks the warden with stopping the blight (so she can get that old god babby soul, but still).
>>323925889
>Not having a tank
>Not using Morrigan and Wynne to heal and control everything
I understand why you suffered.
>>323923626
Davey Boy Gaider is no longer the lead writer (and it shows Trespasser was a massive improvement.) so his pet characters like Cass and Leliana should finally take a backseat.
>>323916412
There was once a time I preordered games.
There was once a time I got hyped for games
There was once a time I would wait for a new bioware release
Dragon Age 2 singlehandedly killed all of that.
Given what was to follow, I guess I should be grateful
>>323925732
Speaking of going full retard regardless of who you side with.
For the people who don't just hate on anything to come after origins, how was the inquisition DLC?
Sup guys worst character in the franchise coming through
>>323926534
Warrior Warden
Alistair
Sten
Oghren
Why would I need any other party?
>>323927001
Trespasser was pretty good but the others are whatever.
>>323927001
There was DLC? How much did Inquisition sell anyway, I feel like it wasn't such a hit that EA had hoped for.
>>323927184
Like "Golems of Amgerrak" whatever or like "Mark of the assassin" whatever?
>>323927125
In higher difficulty settings you basically need at least 2 mages.
>>323927001
Flamer Inquisition mount is the only acceptable ride for a lawful evil playthrough.
>>323927001
Jaws of Hakkon was nothing special.
Descent is good but once it starts ramping up it feels like it just ends.
Trespasser is fantastic and the best part of the game.
>>323927273
>In particular, Dragon Age: Inquisition had by far the most successful launch in BioWare’s history, exceeding our expectations. In addition, game sales for last-generation consoles were also much stronger than we had anticipated,” said Blake Jorgensen, EA’s CFO during the call.
>Outperformance versus our outlook was driven by the record-breaking Dragon Age: Inquisition performance.”
>>323927589
Isn't that the kind of shit they say just to appease investors?
>>323927341
Awakening was really cool though.
>>323927084
Anders in Awakening was top tier, m8.
Anders 2 onwards may as well be a different person. Hell, it would make more sense if some look alike murdered him and assumed his identity.
>>323927084
That's not Fenris.
At least Anders has some funny lines, Fenris is Linkin Park tier edgy and has nothing going for him.
>>323926685
>Gayder no longer shitting up the series
This more than anything gives me hope in the next Dragon Age.
>>323927409
Nonsense, with enough Sweep and Critical Strike you can kill anything and solved any problem by killing it.
>>323927950
Fenris seething hatred of mages is a point in his favour considering how fucking retarded 99% of them are.
>>323927950
Confirmed for only looking at his character design. Fenris was one of the best characters in 2.
>>323914997
>>323927084
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME
>>323928164
Maybe if you are twelve
>>323928102
fair point
>>323924879
>implying being a blood mage is bad
>>323927904
Isn't that kind of what happened? Jus... I mean Vengeance corrupted him.
>>323928260
>gas the humans, species war now
>even looks down on non-dalish elves
I liked her.
Velanna was originally supposed to take Anders place in II but none of the writers wanted to write her.
Thee Hamburger Hepler wanted to write a tortured soul mage with a homosex romance so they butchered Anders.
>>323928287
It's bad when they try to get some sympathy because all the templars treat them like blood mages just to go and prove the templars right at the first chance they get.
>>323913849
I want to fucking bang Inquisition Leliana.
Too bad that bitch never spreads her legs for my Inquisitor.
>>323928410
Me too. I liked all the Awakening crew.
>>323928559
>First DA game to show titty
>None of the OG waifus strip
>>323928534
After Inquisition and II I'm shocked there is people still sympathetic to mages.
>>323928534
True, but I don't get why blood magic is bad in and of itself.
>d-demon possession is bad
but blood magic doesnt rely on the fade like normal magic.
also tevinter mages almost all use blood magic, and they dont seem to have a rampant possession problem. if anything, they make demons their bitches rather than the other way around.
>>323929013
I blame the Mage situation on shitty writing, but I haven't played Inquisition.
>>323928794
>>323928410
She was pretty hot in a Western made tsundere way, and a lot more tolerable if you were also Dalish.
>can't be romanced
>>323929013
I want a magocracy. Tevinter is awesome. Normies shouldnt be allowed to rule.
>>323929013
The tricky elf cunt did a good job of sounding poor and helpless after Redcliffs second fuckening. It probably fooled some people in to feeling bad for them even though they nearly destroyed reality.
>>323929073
I'd imagine people are afraid of a bunch of mages becoming more powerful that quickly
>>323927950
His edgyness was based on terrible experiences in his live though, he was a drugged up sex/fighting slave for mages.
Him just being full of anger and hate is fairly understandable. Not the most complex of characters, but perfectly reasonable motivation.
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>>323929173
What is going on in here?
>>323927084
Thats not Loghain.
>the fucker can actually show up in Inquisition if you didnt kill him
>he can even kill the dragon in place of the main character
Who the fuck even let him live?
>>323929650
>Who the fuck even let him live?
Loghain was right.
>>323921319
DA2 is definitely Top 3 of worst pieces of shit I've played.
>>323924580
>>323919250
I agree for the most part. Singleplayer MMO, sure, yet I didn't mind/even liked most of the characters. The only truly dislikeable characters for me where the throwaways that don't matter, and Vivienne. She was just dull and brought nothing. The locations were alright; some were quite nice. Too many desert and mountainous locations for my taste, because Bioware only has 3 environmental palettes and apparently limited assets.
The combat was underwhelming. There was no challenge to be had nor tactics required for anything, and considering all sidequests are utterly meaningless there's little reason to explore beyond mere curiosity. Main quests were enjoyable enough but the plot itself was uninteresting. The implications were intriguing but didn't pay off; just threw out a sequel hook.
It's an impressive amount of content with no depth or complexity; just a large shallow lake you can wade through if you feel like.
>>323929173
absolutely disgusting
>>323929326
That's the thing though. They did destroy reality and you were only able to fix things through a series of extremely fortunate events which includes yourself and Dorian not dying in the future.
Plus time magic doesn't erase the fact that they sold themselves out to Tevinter aka the bad guy nation the first chance they could.
So can someone whos played DA3 spoil it for me?
Whats the deal with the elven gods/fade and solas apparently being one of them.
>>323929650
Loghain was a good character. Loghain was also right. The issue is that Loghain being right was trumped by the fact that the Darkspawn are a far greater threat than Orlais could ever hope to be.
>>323916834
>>323920847
>>323917230
During the epilogue, if she died in DA:O it's written off (in typical Bioware theme/fashion) that it was "Lyrium [that] sung thought into being", a literally unknown, unprecedented existence because fuck you Gaider says so and your choices don't matter.
>>323927341
They're not bad, just meaningless. Slightly improved over the base game areas, but ultimately more of the same.
>>323930217
Wow, they really want to piss away the ambiguity they had with Andraste, huh?
Glad I put down 2 halfway and never looked back.
Dragon Age has the weirdest fucking attempt to make a grey morality.
Oh no, they think all Mages will turn to demons or use blood magic! Lets prove them wrong by using blood magic to turn into demons!
>>323930649
All they had to do was follow what they had with Origins.
Was it really that fucking difficult?
>>323930901
New writing team from one game to another, wasn't it? The guys who knew what they were doing were replaced by people that really want to make a wish fulfillment world with a bit of grimdark thrown in to try and hide that.
All things considered, Thedas is fairly pleasant.
>its implied that solas is responsible for making the veil and screwing over all the elves
>somehow removing the veil makes it so that suddenly there are DEMONS EVERYWHERE
How was there any sort of life at all on thedas when there was no veil?
>>323927001
>>323927184
Jaws of Hakkon was boring and shithouse. Descent was actually pretty sweet, personally, and has some neat implications but ends far too quickly and in an X-Files fashion. Trespasser was great.
>>323931130
Also why didn't solas immediately dismantle the veil once he realized that he'd fucked over the elves?
>>323931130
Nah dude it's straight up said. For >>323930114
Solas was an ancient elf and Elven 'gods' were just powerful beings. Two camps emerged and Solas split 'em up by locking off some in the Fade and creating the Veil so they couldn't escape to the material world. Creating the Veil cut off their connection to the Fade and thus ended their immortality.
>>323930649
This was what put DA2 from "play-ably bad" to "holy shit this is dumb and I regret wasting time"
>>323931886
For me it was
>oh look a cave
>its exactly the same as all the other caves ive been to
30 minutes into the game you've seen all of it.
>>323931403
The reason why elves became a minority was because elf pussy was too sweet and human dick was too good, right? Or did I read that wrong when they said the elves were panicking because elves banged by humans only made humans?
One thing that really pissed me off in Inquisition was that saving the inhabitants of Haven was entirely meaningless:
If they die they get replaced by NPCs with 1-2 lines of dialogue.
If they live... they get replaced by NPCs with 2-3 lines of dialogue.
I liked DA2 more than Inquisition.Isabela a qt. I want a warrior expy of her and her exploring sluttiness.
>>323932379
Oh I completely agree, but I was enjoying the story up until then. Whatever little of it there was. Combat was mostly shit, facing waves and waves of faceless enemies in the same 7 locations, but I do like the Dragon Age setting.
The entirety of Act 3 was utter garbage, however. That was when it wholly lost me.
>>323932419
The elven empire went civil war and kicked their own ass. Then Tevinter came in, planted a flag and said it won.
Then andraste kicked Tevinter out and made Orlais and the Dales. Then Orlais got made the elves didn't convert to human worship and went and conquered the Dales. Then they struck the idea that Andraste gave the Dales to the elves from all the books to hide that fact.
Kind of like how the Catholics struck the idea that Jesus was a middle eastern Jew from the records when justifying the crusades.
>>323913849
I fucking hate Leliana, her voice her character everything. People just liked her because lesbian
They force her so hard in Inquisition and give a complete bullshit explanation as to why she's alive if you killed herlyrium ghost lol
>>323932723
>Catholics struck the idea that Jesus was a middle eastern Jew from the records when justifying the crusades
Source pls
>>323932862
I'm getting tired of the Bioware "singing" theme. Rachni, thought control with the Reapers/Leviathan, Darkspawn and the Old Gods, Lyrium, and now even the Dorfs and the Titans... it's just lazy and a hand-wave plot device.
Lyrium having a will of its own? Leliana somehow some heretofore unknown lifeform made out of it? Fuck off.
>>323932486
>likes shit games
>likes damaged used goods
>"look at me im such a slut and degenerate lol! ^_^"
terrible game
>>323932862
I liked her a lot in Origins but she's been awful in every appearance since then.
She's one of the worst characters in Inquisition.
>>323932723
>>323933082
Actually, source on everything in your post please.
It all sounds retarded.
>>323916412
Dragomn Age Awakenings is technically an expansion, but it comes on a separate disc and is great.
Dragon Age 2 is bad, but the Mark of the Assassin DLC is worse. The Legacy DLC is actually surprisingly good.
Inquisition is an alright game if you can stomach a few shoehorned in scenes about how progressive a dumb tranny thinks the Qunari are - and if you skip all the MMO-styled quest shit.
>>323932486
Literally like fucking a vat of mayonnaise.
>>323933446
I played Legacy but I didn't touch Mark of the Assassin because I didn't want to deal with Tallis or whatever. How bad was it?
>>323932486
Smell like cum and shit.
>>323933409
The catholic thing is similar to the whole "White Jesus" thing. It's pretty hard to motivate a people to invade people who look like your savior. So now all the portraits depict Jesus as a pale skinned brown haired blue eyed white guy. Did you never wonder why that was?
>>323933446
>if you skip all the mmo quests
so 99% of the game
>>323933635
>implying jesus wasnt white
ayyyyyyyyyyyy
he was described as perfect, he literally cant be a shitskin
>>323933635
I don't care for your opinions, m8.
Give me material to read.
>>323933409
AS for the elf history, most of the history from http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Elf is right, but Solas himself basically says that the elves did it to themselves before Tevinter walked in.
>>323921024
>>323920184
Well the save system doesn't actually import any appearance data for anyone. Hawke only got a pass because they had an iconic default appearance you could use. That and the Warden is basically a legend by that point. Since Corypheus actually manipulates the minds of Wardens, though, it's understandable why they don't show up. There's also the whole, "The Warden goes missing," thing.
You do receive a letter or two from the Hero of Ferelden, though. It's all they could really do since DA:O didn't have a way to really give your character a personality that could be defined for carryover. Also, as someone pointed out the HoF is considered the most powerful humanity-allied character. Dagna, Alistair and Leliana all cream themselves about the HoF. It's also kind of sad to hear drunk Cullen talking about how he's still pining for female mage HoF.
>>323933283
It's ridiculous that you can make her harden her to go back to being a dick ass spy and leave behind the religious nonsense but she still ends up being pious again, what's the point in adding depth to a character if you are just going to railroad her
>>323932486
>>323933618
Mark of the Assassin is good because you can tell Felicia Day to fuck off.
>>323920184
I'm glad, seeing as they are fucking dead
Inquisition is like 10 years after origins so your hero is gonna be hearing music soon anyways
>>323933618
It raped every bit of Qunari lore we knew as according to Sten. Tallis was a Mary Sue who you are forced into helping even if you tell her to fuck off once you learn she is a spy. Then at the end if you try to get her to surrender the list of Qunari spies she basically mocks you. So you don't even get a chance to fight or kill her, you either kiss her or make her mad and let her leave with a list of Qunari spies.
Also the "bad guy" of the DLC is an Orlesian Duke who invited you to hunt Wyverns with him, and had an actually alright reaction to you murdering his guards and trying to steal from his vault by tossing you in a dungeon. To top it off you go in thinking you'll eventually get used to how ugly a character Tallis is, but you never do.
>>323933879
>Humans claim the war with the elves began when a small elven raiding party attacked the nearby human town of Red Crossing in 2:9 Glory, leading to the Chantry eventually calling an Exalted March against the elves when they had captured Montsimmard and besieged Val Royeaux, claiming they had been attacked by the Dales.[9] The Dalish claim templars invaded the Dales after the elves kicked out Chantry missionaries from their sovereign territory.[13]
Sounds like the elv*s had it coming, tbqh.
>>323933451
what?
>>323933852
Jesus of Nazerath, earned the title of Christ. Born in the Middle east. Was explicitly a Jew. Described in the bible as having skin the color of brown and curly black hair.
>>323933904
>Cullen
Oh god.
Is there a worse example of fanservice?
>>323933635
I'm fairly certain Jesus was always depicted as white to make him more relatable. Like, "I'm white so he must be too because my skin color is the best"
As far as the crusades, I don't think anybody needed to struggle much to justify them. At the time it was retribution.
>>323934000
Just accept that she's Gaider's waifu and she'll go in whatever direction he wants.
Which is hopefully not appearing in 4 at all since Weekes is the lead writer now.
>>323932486
>take sameface NPC from DA:O
>completely change appearance, voice and backstory
>make her into a treacherous cumslut with a manjaw instead
Bioware in a nutshell.
>>323933879
>>323934215
Ancient Elves were cunts who fucked with the Titans/Dwarves for shits and giggles.
>>323934221
sup
>>323934320
To be fair it seems like everybody except Dorfs were massive cunts in the ancient era
>>323934208
I'd like to kill myself now
>>323934293
Did the same with Merrill, Anders and Cullen
Weirdly enough Cullen is Anders' original VA, but they got a generic fucker to replace him for some reason
>>323934320
DA mythology anon, not Germanic.
>At the time it was retribution
For what? At the time, the middle east was busy doing caliphate things and otherwise not bothering Europe.
>>323934293
DA2 deserves a lot of flak, but Isabela was a straight improvement. She barely had a character in Origins and most people only remember her for the sex.
>>323934221
>tfw cullen and viv were the only characters I could tolerate
fuck you too nigga ;-;
>>323934293
Well her backstory in Origins was just that she was a pirate and a slut so... nothing much changed
>>323934219
I don't see any relation to the Crusades in your post, m8.
And anyway, how would erasing information, that said the land they wanted to conquer was the birthplace of the creator of their religion, help justifying the Crusades?
>>323934456
Dwarves were and always have been cunts to each other, but otherwise they were alright. Remember in Origins, that Thaig that took in elf refugees, just to get murdered for it? It's just sad that they're getting so wrecked by the Darkspawn.
>>323934637
Yeah she's the exact same character but now with unique voice and outfit.
>>323934590
Cullen would be alright if he was an original character, but they kept him in because fangirls fawned over the crazy paranoid templar in DA:O that in every ending had him going nuclear - but suddenly is the most reasonable and rational Templar
>>323934590
Most of Inquisition's characters were great, barring Sera. Solas was a riot if you had low approval. Dorian would have been better if his personal quest wasn't about how daddy didn't accept him for fucking men.
>>323927904
he kind of is, since he's a Vengeance abomination in 2.
>>323934652
It makes it less awkward. It's harder to kill people that look like your savior, but easier to kill people you've turned into demons. It's basica wartime propaganda.
WW2? Exalt the chinese and demonize the Japanese. The French are our friends and the germans are smelly sausage suckers. The communists are fine, it's the ITALIANS that are disgusting.
It's hard to demonize the arabs when you pray to the image of one.
>>323934534
The question is why recycle the character at all?
Were the people behind the design just really in love with the name Isabella, and had to work with the fact that they'd already named a character that in the last game?
I would have been totally fine with Isabella in 2 being a completely different character from Isabella in 1, but Bioware can't come up with new characters anymore. All they're capable of doing is taking the same characters from previous games, whether you had killed them or not, and changing everything about them until they're a completely different character anyways.
It makes no fucking sense why they do this.
>>323934817
Well to be fair you only see Cullen immediately after witnessing the Templars and Mages he had befriended being turned into Abominations. In DA2 he experienced the very opposite situation to Ferelden's Circle; Mages who were largely uncorrupted, but trapped under the thumb of an increasingly corrupted Templar force. Though really, DA2's mage situation can be pinned on the red lyrium, Corypheus being asleep under the city and the fact that Orsino was a crooked retard encouraging the asshole who murdered your mother.
It's standard fare for Cullen to be in every game by this point, though.
Sera is an ugly little goblin who makes a horrible first, second, and third impression but if you actually force yourself into keeping her around and up her approval some of her later conversations are kind of sweet.
Like if you're a rift mage and she's worried about it because she doesn't want people to see her friend as some big scary wizard.
>>323935032
She was a very minor character in Origins, so why not? It's not like Varric where they literally recycled a companion. That way she could comment on the HoF, the Blight and could actually have dialog that led to sparing Zevran, I suppose.
>>323934696
Yeah it makes you wonder how much of a powerhouse the Dorf empire could be if they weren't leaking darkspawn from every Deep Road orifice.
>>323935032
It's because DA2 was going to be DLC for DA:O that got too big for it's britches so they made it a sequel.
They reused Isabela and Anders and Merrill because they were already somewhat familiar with them from the base game.
Then it went from DA:Kirkwall to DA:2 and they kept them.
>>323935070
>Well to be fair you only see Cullen immediately after witnessing the Templars and Mages he had befriended being turned into Abominations.
The thing was, he was a new and naive templar that is suddenly witnessed to the horrors of magic in the worst way, which makes him snap. Every ending with him has him like this
>In DA2 he experienced the very opposite situation to Ferelden's Circle; Mages who were largely uncorrupted, but trapped under the thumb of an increasingly corrupted Templar force
The mages were out of hand in Kirkwall, Meredith did literally nothing wrong until she turns on you
>>323935157
The only good thing about Sera is if you romance her as a Qunari and find out she's reading a bunch of books to learn about your culture.
Too bad Qunari is painfully unfinished.
>>323935237
Well Dwarves are descended from Titans, the source of lyrium. So at one point as a race they were strong. The elves crippled them which left them open to the Darkspawn, which humans unleashed. So basically dwarves got fucked by every other race in Thedas and it's a surprise they've managed to survive and actually mount counter measures against Darkspawn at all. Their caste system is archaic but the fact that so many dwarves only have fighting darkspawn as a career choice is likely why they've survived at all.
>>323935375
>The mages were out of hand in Kirkwall, Meredith did literally nothing wrong until she turns on you
But muh enigma of Kirkwall codexes that like 1% of people will actually read
>>323934858
I liked Dorian, but I can't defend his quest. The majority of companion sidequests in Bioware games-- especially Mass Effect --are just Daddy Issues with another name.
Morrigan or Leliana in Origins?
>>323935517
>The only good thing about Sera
Is her tarot cards
>>323935517
I agree with everything you posted except humans unleashing Darkspawn. Unless you meant specifically on the Dorfs and not just in lore, because Bioware hasn't made up their mind on what it wants to be yet. Clues point to yet another Ancient Evil sitting in the Black City that's responsible for the Taint and thus Darkspawn/Old Gods and the Blight itself.
>>323935375
I don't think they ever say he was new - the implication was that he was a young guy who didn't really see the boundaries between Mages and Templars, so he buddied up to the Mages. It effected his approach in DA2, where he saw the Mages as his charges proper rather than simply unfortunate people who had to live in a tower.
Legacy states that the high incident of Blood Magic and Maleficarum in Kirkwall was because Corypheus and the Warden prison were so close. The circle mages were actually not doing anything wrong aside from Orsino - the city just had a lot of apostates. Meredith only goes crazy because of the Red Lyrium Idol. Before that you learn that her strictness is a result of her watching her younger sister turn into an abomination. Meredith is a very human character, the game just does its best to hammer in that "templars are bad, those poor mages!" that most people don't take the time to interact or side with her.
>>323935831
Is there an option to kill Sera?
>>323935831
The tarot cards were kinda neat
>>323935784
Morrigan. I can't say no to Claudia Black.
>>323935554
Shoddy DA2 lore written over a lunchbreak at crunchtime; let's not kid ourselves. But I know what you mean.
>>323936013
No but she's the only character you can tell to fuck off at any time.
It's almost as if they knew.
>>323936027
Inquisition had fantastic art.
>>323935784
Leliana, Morrigan was just such an insufferable cunt that I'd rather gimp my party than roll with her because she seemingly disapproves of everything.
>>323933879
>the elves did it
He's the one who fucked the elves over though.
>>323935932
>I don't think they ever say he was new
It was his first harrowing, at least. Just silly how much his character changes since there's no possible way to make him like that in DA:O and he's already reasonable and clearheaded as soon as he's introduced in 2
>>323935850
The Darkspawn didn't get free until Tevinter Magisters actually walked into the Golden/Black City. There was something wrong with the place if Corypheus is to be believed, but the First Blight and Darkspawn didn't happen until after since all races seem to have the same lore and recollection of events.
>>323935831
>All the races have amazing tarot card artwork
>none of it is used for your player icon; instead you get a neon green hand
>>323936242
And he's an elf. It all checks out.
>>323936382
>none of it is used for your player icon; instead you get a neon green hand
Fuck, I didn't even realize they could have done that.
So in Inquisition which Player Character had the most impact on the story, Human, Elf, Dwarf or Qunari?
>>323934208
>To top it off you go in thinking you'll eventually get used to how ugly a character Tallis is, but you never do.
It's not like they had much to work off, seeing as it's Felicia Day's ocdonutsteal.
>>323936539
Female Dalish Mage romancing Solas
>>323924050
>>323924520
>Plus she is cute
Have you ever gigglesquee'd so hard you nom'd someone's head?
>>323936313
DA2 is a few years after Origins and getting away from Ferelden probably did wonders. Plus, as I said, the mages in their care were actually pretty benign and the Templar force was much stronger, so he probably had more time to chill out and recover. I'm not saying the transition is perfect, but Inquisition is 10 years after Origins.
>>323936219
>that feel when you need to cheat on leliana if you want to survive in the end
Although I could always ask Alistair or Logan...
It's even worse if you are a female in romance with Alistair
>>323935932
The mages literally did nothing wrong.
>siding with religious zealots who try to oppress people that can cast lightning bolts or control minds
It was going to explode regardless of whether or not anders went full breivik.
>>323936027
Just don't look at the concept art or you'll realise how much content never made it into the game.
>>323936382
Corypheus was the only likeable character in DA:I.
>honest about his motivations
>openly disdains everyone who isnt a powerful tevinter magister
>still super sad that his gods wont talk to him so he becomes a new god so that people will have hope again
Too bad its pointless because Dumat is apparently still around. Otherwise people wouldn't get blessings by praying to him.
>>323936615
If you want to get the most out of DA:I this is the way to roll.
>>323924823
>Femhawke is qt
This. Also purging mages despite the game making you out to be an edgelord for doing so
>>323924520
Holy shit I try to black out the elf tribe bullshit from my memory everytime it gets mentioned. The entire thing was fucking retarded.
>yo merril I heard you were going to get possessed so I got possessed so you wouldnt get possessed
and then stupid fucking elves try to kill her because their keeper went full retard.
the entire thing happened because the keeper "thought" that Merril might get possessed, when she's literally the only blood mage you meet who understands anything about demons
>that scene where she mocks Anders for trusting any kind of spirit when he calls her out on her blood magic
B T F O
>>323936750
Orsino was working with apostates performing blood magic in the city. That's where shit went wrong. The Knight Commander and First Enchanter are supposed to work together, but Meredith and Orsino both had issues that led to them never developing much of a working relationship. The templars only got worse because of the Red Lyrium Idol. It might have exploded, but it would have taken years for it to happen. The big thing with Anders blowing up the chantry was that it made the world fear mages and gave every other chantry cause to rebel. If the Templars had just been oppressive, people would have sympathized with the mages. There might have even been reform. But instead hundreds of worshippers and a revered mother were murdered without cause by a mage. Why didn't Anders lash out at the templars?
![dragon_age_ii_conceptart_8V7Ao[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/91tlwry.jpg "dragon_age_ii_conceptart_8V7Ao[1].jpg")
They fucked up the qunari redesign they did in Inquisition, they looked pretty cool in II even though the horns were unnecessary
>>323936382
I know what you were going for now, alright. Technically the Darkspawn could be said to be from Tevinter meddling but considering that's just what the legend says, we don't know for sure and have to take the games word for it. Personally I believe Corypheus considering that they went with the theme of Solas being an ancient being and thus making most Elven legends true in nature, if slightly modified over time. But then that calls into light what exactly is the nature of the Fade and Golden City, and what resides in it and is responsible for the Taint?
I don't think Bioware even knows what's up with it; they seem fond of creating intriguing mysteries that are poorly explained if Reapers are to be an example, but we'll see when we get the next DA installment where we ransack Tevinter.
>>323935831
>>323936027
Looking at all this beautiful artwork for the game I feel sorry for the people that made it. To have this kind of creative vision and to be stuck at Bioware, where your work has to fit within the constraints of their ancient engine, garbage character modeling and animation, and lazy fucking level designers?
That must be true hell. Like a master violinist being forced to play an instrument made of a tissue box and a cardboard tube with rubber bands.
>>323936950
>>323936615
Doesn't that just impact the romance, not the actual story?
>>323937142
Femhawke is the best
>>323936909
>still super sad that his gods wont talk to him
>patron god is literally the god of silence
>>323936682
>that feel when youre fucking zevran and it isnt even cheating because a threesome with morrigan would be his idea of a great time
Zevran was the only good romance in DA:O
>Alistair
Shitty yaoi bait. Horrible prince archetype. Acts like Carth.
>Leliana
LESBIANNNNSSSS~ We dont like men but we do~
>Morrigan
Disapproval intensifies.
>>323936894
Samson did nothing wrong, he let Templars have one last shot at glory
>>323936909
Corypheus would be a likable character if his godhood didn't begin and end with with spreading the Taint to everyone and everything.
>>323936382
The Tarot art really is good. Stupid glowing hand.
>>323924823
The whole mage plot is retarded
Time after time we are shown the Templars, sans a few bad eggs, are objectively correct but the game tries making that the "evil" choice. But the writers were so incompetent that the story makes mages look like utter assholes and are the cause of 99% of all problems in the game. Hell Meredith is pretty good before she goes cuckoo for Red Lyrium
>>323937313
Help my sides, how did I never realize this.
>>323936909
>tfw
Also there's a Warden Log Entry that hints there's an Old God sleeping nearby, but they can't reach it through the rocks.
>>323937142
>the codex entries for Hawke after siding with Templars as a mage
So fucking sweet.
>>323937273
They went to Frostbite 3 so the engine isn't all that ancient anymore. However, they seriously need to work on their modeling and animation.
>>323937492
the writers are incompetent assholes who tried to make a grey conflict, but ended up making both sides idiots and the player not give a shit about them
>>323927084
Truly the worst. Merril is second only because he goes full cultural enrichment at the end.
>>323937310
>>323937142
FemHawke looks so awful in game though, both default Hawkes do. Everything is a downgrade in DA2, even appearance.
>>323937432
>not reforming him yet again in Inquisition
I just have a weakspot for him. I hate the mage faction in Inquisition and the Templars are so much better, but I forced myself to go Mage for Samson.
>Dragon age Origins
>Elves look like smaller humans with pointy ears.
>Dragon age II
>Elves are more exotic and have goat like features.
>Dragon age Inquisition
>Elves are back to tiny humans.
???
>>323937659
merril was sort of okay if you went full rivalry with her
you could actually call her out on how much of an idiot she was being
>>323934284
>At the time it was retribution.
this
I think only one of the crusades wasn't a direct response to muslim faggotry
>>323937619
>mfw remembering tumblr getting mad about the hand on Blackwall's romance card being white
>>323937659
>full cultural enrichment
>>323937160
Merrill was the worst character in DA2, personally. It was so deliciously sweet to be able to Rivalry her all game and then top it off by putting the thing down.
>>323937757
some of the inquisition elves still look hideous.
>>323924823
>>323937142
>>323937310
Why bother with femHawke and DA2 when you can have the superior qt and game with the same voice?
>>323927084
Someone post the "who would do such a thing over a misunderstanding" image.
>>323937371
For any failings of Alistair, his VA was phenomenal. Steve Valentine I think it was? I could look it up but can't be fucked
>>323937757
And Dorfs became less broad and Qunari went brown, African-ish looking guys to beast people with dark eyes and slight hints of animalistic features to being just tall horned fucks with normal human faces.
Shit bugs the hell out of me. I also wish they'd kept the AYYY designs for the Elves. Make them more distinct and was one of the few positives about DA2.
>>323932486
I handed her over to the Qunari. No fucking way I'm going to keep her around because she feels sorry :((((
You wanted to be a big badass who doesn't take shit from nobody, now live with it. Or die, I don't know what the qunari did to her.
>>323937757
They have smaller features in Origins, it was still possible to tell who was an elf without seeing ears. They went too over the top in 2
>>323934284
interestingly in medieval art the people of modern day Ethiopia were depicted as white, due to the fact the leaders of europe actually sympathized with their plight (christians desperately defending their homelands against the muslim hordes)
>>323937760
Anders falls under that category too somewhat he realizes he's getting fucked up by Vengeance hard. The problem is the game never goes anywhere or does anything with it and unless you make a constant conscious effort they remain really shitty
>>323937883
I thought she was annoying, but she was also doing exactly what Keepers are -supposed- to do. Dalish elves getting butthurt over blood magic made literally no sense.
>>323937184
As a response to Meredith treating the mages like animals. All the mages ever wanted was freedom.
If the circles were basically just turned into 'here's how to not be a demon' wizard schools then everyone could be happy.
