Which will be the better space sim?
all are shit
>>323874118
they are equally representative of space; empty and uninteresting
>>323874118
Sims 3. Just throw a bunch people in a steel trap with nothing to keep them busy.
Star citizen is most fun, Ed is more stable, Valk is literally who
>>323874118
Elite: Dangerous is right now because that's the only one out, but Star Citizen may beat it out if it lives up to expectations.
Valkyrie is ded on arrival
>599 US DOLLARS
>>323874576
No, anon, E:D doesn't earn brownie points because it's the only one out
It's shit and Horizons has shown that expansions wont fix it. It lost the race before it even started
>>323875684
also you can already do dogfighting and some FPS and multi-crew in SC
>>323875684
>>323878687
What does SC have over ED?
>>323874576
>if it lives up to expectations.
fucking lol
>>323879180
multicrew, on-foot, FPS, handguns/rifles/shotguns, SS13 shit, etc
>>323874118
>EVE Valkyrie
I played EVE for 7 years and I still think it's a special game, one of the only survivors of the pre-WoW era. EVE, SWG and FF11 will forever be special to me.
But I still have no idea what the fuck the point of Valkyrie is, apparently it doesn't actually have anything to do with the EVE except sharing a name and some models and world shit? Fucking stupid, and yet another example of how CCP has continuously pissed away vast amounts of money and potential in EVE repeatedly trying to shove in stupid shit that has nothing to do with EVE. They had an amazing spark at the beginning, and have done some great things, but overall EVE still has to be one of the biggest wastes of potential ever. God damn it.
I wish it wasn't the only one of its type. In some other Earth we might have seen a diverse array of smaller MMOs all experimenting and doing interesting stuff, a genuinely competitive field with something to offer for many. No more instancing and such would be standard. Instead we got a lost decade of LE WOW KILLAH failing over and over again, then F2P shit taking over. Fuck everything.
Just finished wing commander 3, it was fun. The story was whatever, but you feel like the Man of the hour at least Starting on Freespace 1 with mods, so hopefully that'll be good.
>>323879180
it has more bugs and furries
>>323879391
>SS13 shit
Elaborate
>>323874118
I'll stick to Freespace 2 SCP for now. Maybe SC will be sufficient to become a new sandbox in 3 years if the offline stuff is a decent enough foundation.
Orbiter and ksp are better at actually simulating space.
Any realistic atmospheric combat game has more depth than a space shooter.
If you want to haul cargo around you can play euro truck simulator.
>>323874118
I can tell you one thing.
ED is already shit.
>>323880828
>Any realistic atmospheric combat game has more depth than a space shooter.
Eh, I guess but I still find FS2 to be pretty great, even after all these years. It doesn't have the flight complexity of one of the top flight combat sims, but the atmosphere, scale and free movement added quite a bit even so.
People like space as a secondary feature, not the main one. Without something to do in Space and places to go there's nothing good about it.
If your space game doesn't have
- Planets to explore with actual depth to their exploration
- Aliums or some kind of non-human or human-but-acts-alien enemy that give a sense of an exotic threat
- Stations and ships you can walk around in and customize
It is a shit space game, no matter how good the combat or trading is. Space will always be superior only as a foil to the original setting, not as the main setting.
>>323881293
>scale and free movement
The campaign in FS1 and 2 are linear. Maybe you should try a game that simulates an entire war in real time and can be played coop or versus.
>>323874118
Eve Valky is a generic arena shooter, not a sim
ED has no depth and no content meaning after about 4 hours you have done literally everything the game can offer
SC has the most depth and content so far, but is nearly unplayable due to optimization and bugs
Basically; they are all fucked for different reasons and none will achieve what anyone dreams.
>>323880683
I think he is referring to the different roles and specializations each player can take when on a ship
i.e. you can have someone in charge of weapons, shields, flying (obviously, durr) detecting, ect
>>323881525
>Eve Valky is a generic arena shooter, not a sim
ED and SC aren't simulating anything either.
>>323874118
None, they're all reddit games that will never actually be released.
>>323881437
Not what I meant by scale. Regardless of the overall campaign, combat in a fighter amidst and vs capital ships like the Sathanas was an experience. If you didn't like it that's your call I guess.
>>323881525
most accurate
>>323874118
Well considering Star Citizen won't ever be in a playable state I guess Elite is the only answer
I wish I could make 100 million dollars selling jpgs of space dildos.
Valkyrie is just an arcade dogfighting game, there's no traveling or trading shit afaik.
>>323881987
I don't think you understand what "space sim" means
>>323882049
I really hope you're just pretending to be retarded.
>reedit games
You can stop trying to fit in so hard.
>that will never actually be released
E:D came out forever ago anon. It's shit. But it's released shit.
>Valkyrie
Given what was demoed and the money they have to plow into it and the fact that it's just a crappy arena shooter with zero ambition or interest to it there's no way it's not coming out. It'll also be shit.
>SC
If they stopped new development tomorrow and took what they have done now and polished the bugs and then released it'd be mediocre, but playable. Since they have megabux from nerds there's no way this one isn't getting released at this point, they've gotten past the stage of things where development hells happen. That doesn't mean it won't be shit but it might not be, maybe. But it'll be released shit.
>>323882326
It's just an outdated term from when your average home computer was incapable of actually simulating anything decently. It's much more accurate to call "space sims" "space shooter" or "space action"
>>323880828
>If you want to haul cargo around you can play euro truck simulator.
This is practically the main point of playing KSP though, you're hauling things from planet to planet.
A new update is coming that will finally give multi-threaded physics calculations. Will be much more playable once that's in.
>>323882532
>It's just an outdated term from when your average home computer was incapable of actually simulating anything decently.
How about you fuck off, Sim Ant is the bees knees
>>323882532
It's just an outdated term from when your average home computer was incapable of actually simulating anything decently.
How is everybody enjoying Starsector?
>>323874118
why are those games called space sims again?
>almost all ships are unbalanced af with engines not centered at all
>fly in straight lines
>able to stop
they might as well take place under water
would actually be more plausible
>>323885189
You don't need centered engines. Just centered thrust.
>>323885806
>okay guys let's put this big engine to the left and this small one to the right
>but Sir, that would give our ship unbalanced thrust
>it looks cool, so just run the big engine at 60% or something
>but Sir
>NO BUTS, IT'S ALL ABOUT AESTHETICS!
>>323886149
You don't need centered engines. Just centered thrust.
>>323886149
>>323886245
Spaceship design by artists instead of engineers perfecting a machine over years actually results in gameplay issues. Bad cockpit design with poor rear visibility, pad gun placement causing shots to be too spread out, terrible turret placement resulting in large blind spots or being unable to bring most of the ship's firepower onto a target, HUDs that are focus on looking good rather than conveying information.
>>323874118
the only thing ED has going for it is the flight model and how fun the dogfighting is. Also, the sound design for ED...my god it is amazing. Other than that the game is pretty shit
>>323881393
This. I don't understand why so many devs don't get it.
All of my faith in SC is based on the fact that Freelancer had a lot of shit to do even though there was no planet exploration included.
>>323888357
I can't help but laugh at the term "flight mode" being used to discuss made up rules invented by nerds so the ridiculous concept of space fighters can exist.
>>323874118
Haven't heard of Valkyrie and Star Citizen isn't even out yet.
I don't know which will be the better space sim, but right now it has to be Elite Dangerous by default.
That said, I absolutely love Elite Dangerous as it is. The sound and visual design are top notch, and the dogfighting is decent enough to keep me interested
>>323879391
ED will have mutlicrew.
>>323890282
sure it will
>>323890685
Apparently its an upcoming update for Horizons
>>323890282
Multicrew seems easy enough at the moment for some ships to be implemented.
The big deal is when they reach ship sizes that are too big for landing pads.
>>323880691
do those bigass turrets even do anything
Is Star Citizen even a real game? Last I've heard they've got a tech demo kludged out of CryEngine that crashes every 30 minutes.
>>323874118
Erectile Dysfunction.
>>323874118
Not Valkyrie.
Everything CCC has made outside of their MMO indicates that they're completely unable to make a decent game and EvE was a fluke.
>>323890685
Better odds than Scam Citizen has of ever releasing.
>>323888357
>Freaky radio interference/chatter in space
>The growl of your ship's engine and hissing directional thrusters while you navigate an asteroid field
>The sound of reality itself being ripped open as a capital ship drops in from hyperspace
>>323888357
>>323891925
I wanna fuck the ship AI.
>>323892053
I wanna fuck theVulture.
none of them?
Elite is a large scale game with little depth
Star citizen has no fucking idea what it wants to be
and even valkrie is just combat
none of those games matter anon. None will catch main dude bro market.They are niche products. Catering niche audience.
sorry .
>>323892312
Except they're all pandering to casuals.
Anybody got those Starsector webms?
>>323892312
>1 million citizens
>niche
Even if 30% of the accounts are duplicates it still wouldnt count as niche.
>>323892389
yet none of them are releasing on consoles. (except ea version of ED which will never updated to pc version anyway and only on xbone)
just no. Space game for casuals are Destiny and Titfall. others are just niche products.
unless someday you see sony giving same exposure to star citizen as destiny. Releasing trailers at e3 and shit then that day those game will become big. otherwise no one cares.
>>323892463
> thinking 1 million is big number in digital world.
ay goyumm.
hatred sold similar number to that fugger. even niche jrpgs sells 800kish on steam
>>323874118
The only answer is Space Engine, you mongoloid.
>>323892578
SE is the best space sim
>>323892646
And ss13 is a good second.
OP is a faggot, as always.
>>323892578
are you calling me an east asian?
>>323892830
as east asian as it gets
>>323892538
Those games aren't niche. Space Engine and Space Station 13 are niche.
EVE Valkyrie isn't a sim but rather a low-threshold actiongame to showcase VR, Star Citizen is a feature-creep monstrosity with a cult following you better stay far away from and Elite Dangerous seems to be Elite. Between these I guess the award goes to Elite..?
>>323893012
>Those games aren't niche
>elite dangerous
>not niche
John Madden
>>323893048
A full price game on steam with an expansion?
That's not niche, it's far too accessible, not to mention it isn't even free.
>>323893012
>games have to be memes to be niche
>>323893210
>niche means unaccesible
holy shit you are dumb
>>323893264
???
>>323893415
he probobly saw a lot of SS13 threads and believes its a 'meme game' so he can shitpost about it
>>323893331
Hundreds of thousands of people does not a niche make, and I said TOO accessible. Extremes are not always implied.
The smallest barrier of entry filters out a lot of undesirables, I would not dare share the same air with a majority of filthy casuals.
>>323893680
>this entire post
you do know most people who pick up elite drop it/return it because they dont like it, right?
its a niche game
>>323893621
I don't know what that means, I don't get it when people call something a meme recently.
>>323893734
Hmm, I might give it a try then. Sounds like there's a good deterrent in place.
Sorry for th
>>323893738
shitposting
>>323874118
ED.
Valkyrie will die.
Scam Citizen is Scam Citizen.
>paying $15,000 dollars for a fucking ship
>>323893776
>Sorry for th
Holy fuck did anon died?
>>323893837
he so dead
>>323893778
So it's just more shitposting for the sake of shitposting, I'll never get it but it will always exist.
>>323893884
there are entire steam groups dedicated to shitposting
its quite horrifying
>>323893837
What do you think happens when you apologize on 4chan?
Nice things don't happen, we can't have that.
EVE is a 5v5 thing, not competition at all. SC hypes up alot of features, while ED is actually out.
answer is none of those.
pic related will be the best.
>>323893816
The $15,000 package was every ship in the game.
>>323893621
SS13 doesn't fit into the category of games this thread is about in even the most vague way possible. Space Engine isn't a game but I guess at least it's digital, interactive and simulates space, so that puts it closer than SS13.
>>323894187
It's still fucking $15,000.
>>323894191
You can't explore space forever. SS13 is post-exploration space.
>>323894437
Space Sim as a genre refers almost exclusively to spaceflight simulation. You're completely aware of this and are just posting to get a negative response.
Or you're really dumb. Either way.
>>323894437
>post exploration space
>still has clowns
>>323894152
>Likely to have a flight model that is freelancer-tier simplified and arcadey
Ech.
>>323894437
>you can't explore space forever
