Why is the Beat'em up genre dead?
It's not. Just pick up any shovelware movie game and you're set.
>>323864265
It isn't.
Character Action games like DMC, God Of War, and Bayonetta are the natural evolution of the beat em' up genre
>>323864610
>>323864828
>tfw no RBO spiritual successor
>>323864265
>what is Dragon's Crown
>>323865106
What about dungeon fighter?
>>323864265
It's not.
>new beat em up announced
>rpg elements tacked on
I want this to end.
>>323866627
Battle Circuit and the D&D capcom games created that trend 20 years ago
>>323864265
>God Hand 2 never
>>323865873
I want something with local multiplayer. And not being online would be nice.
>>323864265
too few pop-ups on the screen
>>323864265
>TFW no new Final Fight with a similar artstyle to Street Fighter V
>>323865106
for some reason, I always played it vanilla with expansions. Didn't care about playing with monsters or stuff like that
I liked how even male and female played different
>>323866627
>New Double Dragon game announced after a decade.
>It's a "self-aware" parody where Billy and Jimmy talk like surfer dudes.
>Normal mode is piss easy.
>Hard mode literally encourages you to grind2win.
>>323864492
>Character Action
This is still the most retarded fucking term I've ever heard. It's called a Hack N' Slash you sperg.
Diablo is an ARPG/dungeon crawler/lmb click simulator
Because they're pretty shallow and repetitive. Even the best beat 'em ups get boring after the third stage or so, unless you're playing with a friend.
A better question is why isn't there beat 'em ups like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI-V0rrlZBo
I'd much prefer a beat 'em up where you chain counters rather than punches and kicks. And yes, I'm aware of that 'freeflow' combat that was popularized by Arkham Asylum, but its hardly challenging and also gets dull pretty quickly.
>>323867017
>TFW Final Fight never got a proper arcade sequel when the genre was still popular.
>Only shitty straight-to-SNES sequels instead.
>>323867017
would cum if this got announced
>>323867730
>final fight 2 and 3
>shitty
I didn't know adding smoother movement, better collision detection, and more attack options makes a game worse.
>>323866957
Have you tried the CPS2 beat em ups?
>>323867631
>It's called a Hack N' Slash you sperg
Hack n' slash is the edgiest shit in this thread, and I'm the sperg?
Would you call god hand a hack n slash? Be quiet homo
>>323867730
>FUG Andore
>>323868258
They're not bad games per se, but they're limited by the hardware constraints of the SNES. That system couldn't pull off a beat-'em-up that had more than three enemies on-screen.
Final Fight 2 was kinda dull IMO, but 3 was alright.
>>323864961
I bet you play on fightcade.
>>323864492
>Character Action games like DMC, God Of War, and Bayonetta are the natural evolution of the beat em' up genre
>Natural evolution
>None of those games puts a focus on fighting a horde of enemies and crowd control along with a solid multiplayer element
Maybe they're a natural evolution of Final Fight Guy for the SNES, but they sure as fuck are not an evolution of the beat'em up genre.
>Double Dragon II announced for PS4 Arcade Classics
How's the PS4 version of DD1 anyway? Is the emulation serviceable? Does it have online co-op?
>>323866790
Those have very light rpg elements compared to modern shit. Only Mystara was a bit ruined, mostlry because of the Large Oils.
>>323864492
Best 3d rendition of a beatemup is Anarchy Reigns
Shame about no splitscreen though
>>323864265
Everyone realized sidescrolling beat-em-ups are entirely one-note and boring as fuck. The only one that's stood the test of time enough to be considered a good game still isAltered Beast
>>323867671
Because that is in no way feasible with our current input systems and you know that damn well.
>>323868656
God Hand plays nothing at all like DMC or Bayo.
>>323866414
I wish the steam version had online play.
I have it on 360 and Vita, both of those have online and are dead.
Dev abandoned the steam version.
It's been one year since they last updated anything about the game.
>>323868656
>HOT CHARACTER ACTION
>calling others homo
Stop.
>>323868258
Final Fight 2 and 3 were shit compared to the arcade. Crap enemy design, crap challenge, 3 enemies on screen, slowdowns. Flashy special moves don't make up for all the big downgrades.
>>323869291
Is this a joke?
Even back then, Altered Beast was shit
>>323868157
>One of the villains is a Donald Trump expy who is running against Haggar
>>323864265
beat-em ups got replaced with GoW/DMC style cahraaaayzeee games in the 3d age.
MadWorld and Anarchy Reigns were noble attempts to revive the genre though but they were both pretty cahrayzee in their own rights.
Anyone remember this bad boy?
r8
This was my favorite beat em up.
This was a beat em up r-right guys
They're boring and repetitive; a vestige of the arcade era, where games were more about jewing as many quarters as they could out of kids than anything else.
Shit like Bayonetta, DMC and God of War have basically taken over that niche. You're not going to be getting another Final Fight anytime soon; just be content with the scraps Capcom throws you in Street Fighter and the Versus series.
>>323869829
Little Fighter 2 was fun as fuck
Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks
>>323864265
Because they're very similar to fighting games in mechanically and barely anyone can make those competently.
>Muh Double Dragon Neon
Fuck you, worst one dollar I ever spent.
>>323869936
>le quarter muncher meme
git gut jesus christ
Has anyone noticed that beat-em-ups just aren't that good?
Get Streets of Rage Remake. It's free and awesome.
>>323869829
>play this with friends
>about to lose playing the armored guy, Louis I think
>I transform 1 hit away from death on accident and just shit on them spamming the wind attack
Memories.
>>323870202
In my hundreds of hours playing them, no 2bh.
>>323870202
I've never liked the genre. Can you even get good at these games? It seems like the skill ceiling is extremely low, and all you can do is out pixel your opponent's punching range, and just memorize all enemy spawns
It sucks just like musou games
>>323866627
If I ever make a Beat 'em up, I'll never do this. Every game I see tacks on RPG elements for whatever reason.
>>323869829
>friends place
>his weak ass pc with LF2
>music blasting, beers all around, joints were smoked
>4players on tiny keyboard playing free for all
>that asshole who played the ninja that just runs and multiplies
>>323864265
Because it evolved into the Character Action genre, Asian Genocide genre and whatever the hell the Yakuza series is.
>>323869068
>>None of those games puts a focus on fighting a horde of enemies
But that's exactly what it is mainly about. Have you ever played any of them games?
>a solid multiplayer element
not all beat em ups had multiplayer components, and even then there are a few character action games that have multiplayer.
>>323870514
Memorizing enemy spawns helps like for 1% of a good beat 'em up. You have to understand the gameplay mechanics and learn the enemy AI if you want to ever git gut.
Trying to 1cc Final Fight right know, it's funny how tightly designed this game is compared to a lot of contemporary action games that have a considerably higher amount of moves but most of the fights are poorly designed
>>323870912
Go for it, it's still one of the top games in the genre.
2D is but 3D beat-em-ups took the mantle and are going strong.
I still pine for 2D though. But hey, I never see anyone post about this, which is coming out soon and looks fucking incredible.
https://youtu.be/NHWDEs434hA
i thought we all liked the term, "Stylish Action"
character action sounds just stupid like using the term car action to describe a racing game
Spectacle fighter sounds like what you'd use to describe the tenkaichi games.
and stop saying that beat em ups evolved into things. theyre separate from stylich action, musou, whatever because theyre different from them.
>>323864265
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=389876248
Why doesn't Rolento go fast anymore?
also how are you suppose to hit him if he goes too fast
>>323871341
Why did you post shit anon
>>323870993
It's the first time I'm trying to 1cc an arcade game, it's so satisfying when you begin to understand that most bosses aren't as bullshit as you were expecting them to be. I remember back when I was a kid most people saying that Sodom was impossible to beat without losing lives and shit like that
>>323869394
slow motion. your reward is to see what you did in real time.
also FEAR did this.
If there's something 2d beat em ups should incorporate it's the stylish part of 3d.
Juggles, stuns and all that fun stuff.
>>323871626
Try to evade his wall kicks by going up or down and comboing him after he lands, go left or right to evade the other jumping kicks. It's a bit hard to hit him when he goes Sanic but using a weapon helps
What about this one?
>>323871783
There are very few "cheap" stuff in Final Fight. Some of the fat guys came to mind since they require a bit of memorization. Sodom and Rolento have tricky patterns, but once you have a strategy in mind for them, they are cake.
>>323872129
Mid/late 90s brawlers have plenty of that.
>>323872804
Yeah but all those attempts at modern ones seem to forget about it.
>>323873038
http://store.steampowered.com/app/350910/
Anyway, most modern beat 'em up aren't even close to the classic ones.
>no God Hand 2
>no Warriors 2
>no Bully 2
>god knows what's going on with that official RCR sequel
fuck everything
>>323873372
So what, there are like 20 great classic beat 'em ups you haven't even played yet.
>>323873217
I know, it's fucking pathetic.
Never was into them as a kid and I've been going back every now and then and the difference in quality is fucking astounding.
Everyone who said DD:Neon was good should be ashamed of themselves.
>>323873657
I don't think DD Neon was that bad, like really, the original arcade game wasn't even that good, it's quite flawed.
>>323872272
What's that? Looks edgy in a fun way.
>>323873967
Mother Russia Bleeds.Not out yet.
>>323864265
You didn't buy Yakuza, thats why.
>>323873963
>the original arcade game wasn't even that good, it's quite flawed.
Double Dragon II on the arcade and NES were good though.
>>323874451
DD2 arcade is pretty much an updated version of the first game, it plays a bit better but annoying slowdowns are still there.
And yeah the NES game is good, for a NES brawler especially.
>>323874672
Double Dragon Advance was pretty good too. Probably the best the series ever been.
>>323871737
Are...you trolling?
>>323875456
its never coming out, anon.
Because they were always shit and the entire genre was either garbage limited by hardware or cheap ass p2w arcade machines.
>>323867730
>shitty straight-to-SNES sequels
go eat a gun
Streets of rage 2, well the whole trilogy really, is my go to coop pizza and beer game.
SOR2 is a timeless perfect classic. No beat em up can surpass its glory, design, music, settings, anything
>>323869838
nah.
>>323875870
>p2w arcade
>>323870104
>>323875952
It's not my fault the best games in the genre were for the arcades.
>>323875952
They sucked balls, King of Dragons was the only good Capcom beat 'em up on the console.
>>323866627
>tacked on rpg elements
>tacked on "combo" system
>toilet humor or self-aware jokes that get old after 10 seconds
>fantasy themed
>>323869829
That was my SHIT
EX Louis was hella fun
>>323874149
It's shit, thats why.
>>323876732
for got one
>combo customization
>>323876876
lol
>>323876732
>Higher difficulties only turn enemies into damage sponges that require grinding in order to be defeated easily
>>323875620
>>323868759
Father, Uncle, Grandpa.
castle crashers
>>323877719
>that game that's everything wrong with modern beat-em-ups
>>323864265
Because it's shit.
>>323876876
Yakuza's sales failure is why this genre is dead.When a game with decent production values fails publishers take note.
apparently everyone itt hated dragons crown then since it was fantasy/rpg shit but I liked it a lot. Would have been better with more content but isn't that how everything goes?
Would love some more beatemups on the PC and with online though.
>>323877892
>>323877719
how is castle crashers? is it shit? why?
>>323864265
Because nowadays we typically like games that last longer than an hour, and most beatemups have worn their welcome by then.
Also, they're now hack and slash games.
>>323869123
not how you spell Godhand, buddy.
>>323878230
>>323869123
Neither one of these games is The Warriors.
>>323878064
It's great. The only reason people think otherwise is because it got huge and spawned a thousand shitty rehashes.
>>323878064
>"better with friends"
>tacked on rpg elements
>tacked on combo system
>tacked on combo customization/upgrades
>damage sponge bosses that encourage grinding as opposed to getting good
>toilet humor AND self aware "jokes"
>>323878273
Quoted for truth. Amazing game, especially with a friend.
>>323865873
DFO would be a god tier beat-em-up if you ignored every area beyond Ghent and capped levels at 50. Current endgame is a ridiculous slog of damage numbers and hotkey smashing against braindead mobs and bosses with 100HP bars.
![E4GQS[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/K6vAGV2.jpg "E4GQS[1].jpg")
>>323867579
You know, I was ok with it stylistically. The over the top humor was genuinely pretty funny and it's soundtrack was a great mix of 80s esque songs and remixes of their classic tracks. That being said you're 100% right about it's gameplay. Outside of the coop high five you and your partner had to coordinate for, the gameplay had no depth and just wanted you to over power yourself.
Shame, I would love Double Dragon Advance's depth on a game of that style. Sadly we won't get a Double Dragon as good Advance again.
>>323864265
What was that new beat em up with the mortal kombat style animation?
>>323877983
Dragon's Crown is great. Vanilaware combat keepe getting better.
>>323868656
Kamiya created the first one with DMC and he calls it hack and slash.
personally I like the term High Action as well. Character Action is retarded. Vast majority of games you have a character, especially all kinds of action games. High Action accurately conveys that they're the most intense and demanding action games.
GET IN HERE, FAGGOTS!
>>323874258
>>323878778
>Double Dragon Advance
That was so good.
Then again I played so few games in the series.
>>323864265
Mother Russia Bleeds?
>>323870514
>>323870202
Say that again after you guys beat Streets of Rage 2. 5 lives on hardest, 3 credit maximum like all of its ports have.
I know nothing about double dragon, which games are good and which ones aren'?
because they're a garbage genre
literally shovelware
>>323864265
Because it's shit?
>>323864610
https://youtu.be/zMbBFMK87lA?list=LLxxIaHBmX4TYF6RtjmWhExQ
We had a Simpson's beat-'em-up.
We should have a fucking Futurama one.
>>323876125
my negro
>>323879224
>>323879527
Advance is the best. It's the original with twice as many levels, good balance, and a lot of good enemies, bosses, and weapons. 2 and Super are good. 2 had a unique control scheme and started expanding the move list and enemy list. Super went back to classic controls and kept the new move list with the addition of a charging special bar. The only thing I don't like about super is it feels a little cheaper than the others in terms of difficulty but that might just be me.
The rest of the series is negligible. If you play only one, play Advance. If you play another after that, load up Super.
>>323876876
>>323880018
the NES DD2 was the first game I ever played, so maybe that's why I'm biased towards it. That sound when you pull off a Hyper Knee and send some goon flying across the screen with it is such a cathartic effect. It feels like it's getting harder to do it more consistently these days as my NES controllers are really starting to wear down after 25 years of use.
>>323880018
I actually did play 2 and super as well. They're kinda up there too.
Wasn't Super kinda rushed? That might explain a few odd things about it.
>>323869107
Really? To be honest...I would prefer the NES version of Double Dragon II. So good.
>get the itch to play some beat-em-ups I haven't
>hey, I haven't actually gone out of my way to play double dragon yet
>there's 50 remakes on different systems, sequels that are remakes, and a few actual sequels here and there?
>people seem to like advance, let's try that
>this controls like absolute dick. could it be me? nah, unresponsive clunky-ass controls
>let's try the original?
>oh, there's FOUR versions?
>wait, why is this version pisseasy? [nes]
>this is the same but different.. [arcade]
>what the hell even is this anymore, it's the SAME thing but now the enemies are turbo and bullshit [DD2 nes]
I gave up before trying Super Double Dragon and instead went and played captain commando
The best 3D beat em up I've ever played
>>323864265
Because core gameplay has been outdated. Did someone really enjoy Dragon's Crown combat?
>wow, this game looks really neat
>oh... yeah, it's a beat em up alright
>>323864265
Beat em ups died mainly because they stagnated
It's really hard to make 2d beat-em-up games that aren't like every single other fucking beat-em-up without adding in features that are very hard to implement like deep combo systems, defense tech, etc. Then it just becomes 1-4 man army fighting game instead of a beat em up.
The best Beat Em Up every made is Guardians btw aka Dejin Makai 2. Such a great weird artstyle and I have never played a beat em up with so many different special attacks with an actually intended and fleshed out juggle combo system.
>>323881042
To be fair Dragons Crown fucking fails as a beat em up if you compare them to 90s arcade ones.
Dragons Crown has no "UMPH" factor to the hits, it makes everything super fucking boring.
I personally think that whole development team is overrated as fuck. They have good art and thats it.
>>323881214
>Then it just becomes 1-4 man army fighting game instead of a beat em up.
That sounds fucking awesome to be honest.
>>323864492
I feel like the Yakuza series is more of a beat em' up than DMC or Bayo.
God hand as well.
LEGIONNAIRES EMULATION FUCKING WHEN. IT'S POSSIBLE TO EMULATE PS3 BUT NOT THAT FUCKING GAME YEAH I MAD FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT MAME
>>323881214
>The best Beat Em Up every made is Guardians btw aka Dejin Makai 2. Such a great weird artstyle and I have never played a beat em up with so many different special attacks with an actually intended and fleshed out juggle combo system.
I like you.
But really I enjoyed that game so much it's one of the best beat-em-ups I played. And I played a lot.
>>323881307
Muramasa was very good
>>323881365
Play the Tekken Force gamemode in Tekken 3 and 4 then.
You basically have the same massive moveset as the Tekken games and you can pick any character. Camera is a bitch though.
>>323881605
Yeah I did.
Just wish 2d fighters had a similar mode.
>>323866414
which game
I played Streets of Rage 2 for the first time not long ago. Holy shit that game is good. I have no idea how people were fighting about which is better between that and Final Fight. Streets of Rage 2 is waaay better and this is coming from someone that grew up with FF.
also, here's the most underrated beat em up. It really needs a PC release since no one has played it. The Dishwasher: Vampire Smile.
>>323881768
Phantom Breaker something
>>323864265
I remember playing those old 3D arcade beat em ups with the polygonal graphics and the weapons (rocket launcher sent people flying) and you had cutscene qtes for a chance to skip encounters. I thought those were fun but I was like 13.
>>323881605
Tekken force is ass, play >>323880940 for a real Namco beat em up.
>>323882043
You are thinking of the Dynamite Dekka games
Aka Die Hard Arcade for the Sega Saturn and Dynamite Cop for the Sega Dreamcast
Those games are still super fucking fun and probably like my favorite beat em ups ever.
>>323882043
MOTHER FUCKING DIE HARD ARCADE MOTHER FUCKERS FUCKING FUCK YES
>>323864610
I want to smell that bathroom
>>323881685
It doesn't work
Have you ever played the barrel mode in SF2? It's fucking dogshit garbage.
The problem lies in switching sides of the screen, since you need the back button to backpedal / block / use as an input for special move.
Regular beat em ups you just turn around and walk backwards and its fine.
Unless you had some button that would lock the side you are facing, but that would be extremely tedious and awkward.
I can imagine how it would work though, Perhaps each little section you fight in would be like a stage in a regular vs fighting game, except you would be fighting more than 1 enemy at a time.
But that still would be super unfair if enemies could jump over you and attack you from both sides. Yeah i dunno it wouldn't work.
I can imagine something similar like Final Fight 2 for NES where you have buttons for each direction, maybe make it like a 6 button layout and make the game more complicated.
>>323869838
i can tell you're a fag by your shadow over mystara expression
fucking faggot
I'm in the planning stages of making one right now.
>that feel when it's top down so some people might just ignore it as a "hotline miami clone"
I really don't care for the genre outside of Chronicles of Mystara, to me that game had a lot more substance than typical beat 'em ups.
>>323882547
>beat em up
>top down
Post vid with proof of concept or you are damn right im just gonna call it a hotline miami clone.
The only top down game that i played that felt beat-em-upish was a ARPG hack and slash game I played called Beyond Oasis.
>>323882461
Some accomodations would need to be made.
I imagine using a 4 button layout for attacks and block/jump on the last buttons.
What do I know though, I haven't thought too hard about it.
I kinda liked this game. Nobody ever talks about it ever .
>>323867631
Hack n slash is an rpg term. Diablo is one.
>>323882731
nah I already got it in my head just now.
You are locked in SF2 style direction, the default direction you face is facing to the right of the screen.
If two enemies are on both sides of the screen, the priority facing direction is to the right of the screen.
Button layout:
O O O
p<- bp p->
O O O
k<- bk k->
p = punch
k = kick
b = attack that comes out on both sides, for crowd control
up is jump and down is crouch like normal 2d fighting games.
>>323864265
I have no fucking idea. It's weird how fighting games made a comeback and 2D shoot 'em ups are still supported by indie devs in Japan, but beat 'em ups are just completely dead.
Beat 'em ups aren't dead, but they are niche today which is why you don't see very many.
>>323864265
Best genre ever.
>>323883304
Middle right is Guardians (aka Denjin Makai II), BTW.
>>323883304
I fucking love River City Ransom and the X-Men arcade game. Another one I love is that Simpsons Beat-Em Up you used to find at arcades. Literally the best Simpsons game was a beat-em up.
>>323880940
It still wrecks my asshole
>>323882710
>planning stages
>expecting me to go through the effort of making a prototype for mechanics that I'll probably want to change 3 minutes from now just to make a video to shill my free game to you
Look top down is far more suitable for a beat em up than the isometric/side view of most beat em ups. If you thought about this shit for 5 seconds you would get it. I could go into some 10 minute long disgusting technical explanation, but just think of it this way. Ever play a Street Fighter game? Now imagine that was top-down and controlled with mouse and keyboard. Also lets just assume the mouse has 6 buttons on it, and somehow special inputs aren't retarded and unpleasant. Obviously my game won't work that way but still.(The camera in my game would work like the one in Erst Kerf though, rather than Hotline Miami) How would the average SF game be changed? The important thing here is that jumping no longer exists, in the case of my game at least, other people could do otherwise when they really shouldn't with this view unless they're doing 3D. Even then it's kind of undesirable. The tradeoff here is that you can now walk in 8(360 with mouse control) directions rather than two. Dashing can also be done in 8 directions as well. This means that although fireballs are slightly harder to avoid(rather than just jumping over them you would either dodge sideways to be safe or dodge diagonally to just barely miss it, then dodge forward to reach the enemy in the shortest time, turn towards him, and let out an attack.), you can now fight multiple opponents and actually survive with spacing and evasion. Obviously you'd have a hard time fighting two human opponents, but it wouldn't be impossible, and I'm not talking about that in the first place. My game will be singleplayer.
Also worth noting that because there can't really be a high low game and I wouldn't dare put jumping in the game is basically nothing but footsies. There's a grab though. Low Tier Fraud would love it.
>>323883996
>Ever play a Street Fighter game? Now imagine that was top-down and controlled with mouse and keyboard. Also lets just assume the mouse has 6 buttons on it, and somehow special inputs aren't retarded and unpleasant.
That sounds fucking awful.
>>323882547
Me too lol
I maxed out the character speed for testing purposes since it has rpg stats in it.
>>323870202
The Senran Kagura series got boring for me at least
>>323884208
More awful than "street fighter with a confusing psuedo-3D view and movement field and without the ability to actually attack in more than two very narrow directions" like every beat em up made to this day?
>>323884632
Yes. Much more awful.
>>323884958
Alright, have fun playing this guys game when it's finished. >>323884467 It looks pretty cool, and could have far more interesting art than my game for what it's worth.
>>323864265
Because the fighting gets too repetitive. Mash X to win is boring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isWjkYyTPTQ
at least dfo is still like the second or third most popular MMO in korea
>>323864265
Something big is coming. It will have a lot of fluff but in a good way.
>>323886408
River City Ransom Underground?
Cause it's all about beating them off now.
>>323885836
DFO is cool but a pain in the ass to map to sticks (at least when I last played).
Really liked how grappler classes were handled.
>>323864265
I dont remember it being dead. This game is still played a ton.
>>323887050
>This game is still played a ton.
For real? It's one of those games I bought but never played much of for some reason. I've been meaning to get back into it and it would be cool if I could still find some people to co-op with.
>>323887272
I fuckin' love it. Just enough combo's to keep the game interesting, and the art style is so fucking glorious. The power-up eating thing between missions is surprisingly fun, and gives good bonuses. In the last update they would ever do to the game, they made an endless tower mode which gives really good items, and gets progressively harder. With the ability to go to level 255, you can get hours of play from it. If you don't like grinding, you can finish the main game much earlier. even before level 99.
>>323886596
Nah. I wish! Good thinking tho anon.
Something OC but heavily influenced by side scrolling beat em ups from the early 90's.
From what I hear it's painfully punny but in a stupid sarcastic clever way.
>>323887604
Forgot to mention, I can still get into online lobbies often enough if I feel like doing co-op with strangers. It's much less popular than it was on release, and can sometimes take a while, but It's still alive.
