What are the best dungeon crawling games?
I started playing Grimrock recently. It's pretty cool but it kinda forces you to cheese everything by shutting a door in its face because otherwise you just take way too much damage.
Like that room on level 2 with the switch and three skeletons. I got like three salvos in on the first one while hopping to the side and back to dodge when I suddenly got wedged into the corner by the second one. Kept focusing on the first one to break free and got gangbanged anyway.
>>323724704
>It's pretty cool but it kinda forces you to cheese everything by shutting a door in its face because otherwise you just take way too much damage.
2 is much better in that regard.
I've been thinking about giving diablo ii another go lately. Do the rebalance mods make it plausible to get and enjoy all the rarer stuff by the end of hell without drowning in a flood of garbage? I'd hate to pick a hybrid build and not be able to make the runeword for it without save editing, or have to do hundreds of baal runs or whoever it was that gave good drops.
Would you consider a game like Nethack a dungeon crawler? What about Daggerfall or Skyrim where you spend most of your time in dungeons?
>>323725657
Yes to Nethack, yes to Daggerfall.
>>323724975
>2 is much better in that regard
2 feels like a much better game all together from what I've played so far. I like the more varied environments and enemies it has over 1.
>>323724704
game would be much better if it was turn based
>inb4 stupid Japanese shit
>>323723874
Dungeonsiege 1/2 are pretty cool and something different, because you control a whole group like a raid through dungeons. Otherwise, I can reinstall diablo2 any day and start a new character with some talentbuild to try out
Etrian Odyssey
>>323726480
Though fuck these rat people and their fucking rapid 5 attacks
>>323723874
my anus
>>323726581
There's a game sorta like that, Fall of the Dungeon Guardians, except it uses WoW style combat(tank/healer/dps) and you can pause it whenever you want to queue up commands or just do it in real time. It's alright, but the writing is atrocious.
>>323726672
>>323726879
Didn't last long mate
>Ultima underworld 1 & 2
>Stonekeep
>Anvil of Dawn
>Eye of the Beholder series
>Lands of lore: Throne of Chaos
>Might and Magic: World of Xeen
The last 2 don't exclusively limit you to a dungeon, but definitely has 99% the aspect of them.
Demon Gaze
Dungeon Travelers 2
Can I play Grimrock 2 if I didn't play grimrock 1? I tried, but god it was boring. You know how in some dungeon crawlers you actually get tired of enemies being harder than in the previous floors? It's like usually you like the sense of progression, being able to get better weapons and armors and fight stronger monsters, like in Etrian Odyssey or SMT, but in some games you just start thinking "Why keep playing? They are gonna get stronger and stronger and I'll have to grind them every time.." That happened to me in Grimrock.
Does this 'un count?
>>323725513
No, and you don't know shit about D2.
>>323728134
No. The areas are too lineal to count as dungeons.
>>323723874
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is great for beginners.
>>323728153
Despite you clearly being a huge fag, I ask you to elaborate.
Pokemon super mystery dungeon. No joke. Also Crypt of the Necrodancer.
>>323728780
Crypt of the necrodancer is a shit dungeon crawler and its gimmick gets old and stale after 5 minutes.
>>323728872
Fucking chill man. Its cool if you didn't like it but damn. Chill
>>323728780
>Pokemon super mystery dungeon
Stop posting meme games.
>>323728134
Not a dungeon crawler or an RPG, so no
>>323728975
Yeah man. Just chill.
>>323729009
Its true. You guys really dont talk about video games anymore.
Hah...how sad.
>>323728002
I'm only 10 hours into grimrock 2, but I haven't noticed anything related to 1 yet. You probably could
>>323729054
>not an RPG
>>323729230
Nah, Mystery Dungeon is just shit.
>>323723874
>>323724704
>>323724975
>>323726480
I just hate how easy the game is if you use the 2x2 bullshit tactic. It's like, once you're aware of that the game is practically impossible to lose. It just isn't fun anymore.
>>323728002
Most of the enemies of the midgame you eventually get a good handle on. The there's two more types that appear near the end, though one that should only really bother you in one area. It really depends on the gear/team you have though, I gathered most treasures so I had pretty good equipment and even then I did sometimes have the same feeling of going through the motions rather than actually having fun. If the atmosphere and puzzling aren't doing it for you either I would say you could skip it.
I haven't played 2 yet so can't say anything about that but there's not much lore to be missed I suppose, only something about the guy writing the notes and the nature of what lies in the deepest part of the dungeon.
Shadow Tower 1/Abyss
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic? I mean, it's more asshole physics simulator but still.
>>323726581
>turnbasedfag is back
>>323729591
It is actually one of the best dungeon crawlers to come out recently.
>>323723874
Wizardry 6
>>323729054
>Not a dungeon crawler or an RPG
>Dark Souls
Stop shitposting. It clearly draws a lot from dungeon crawlers, it's basically one in third person.
>>323729651
I've only started playing Grimrock recently. What's the 2x2 tactic?
>>323730058
>spoiling yourself with ezmode
nah google it if you want to rape the game that badly.
You have to admit this is a pretty good dungeon crawl.
>>323730058
Backpedal in a circle so you never get hit. Gets mroe difficult with more than one enemy, though. You can also slam a door shut in something's face after getting a couple hits in.
>>323725657
>Skyrim
>a dungeon crawler
Breh... What?
Alright, here's the question:
For tile-based dungeon crawlers on PC, what should be strafe, and what should be turn?
AD?
QE?
I've seen this either way.
>>323730646
AD should be strafe since every fucking game since 2005 uses A and D to move left-right.
>>323730646
Q-E for strafe
>>323730414
More and more stuff I fight in grimrock 2 have counters to that at least. The plan is less effective
The rats just throw daggers at you
Those small tree guys shoot poison at you
If I try to be more aggressive about it and just keep circling around all the enemies have attacks that quickly go off from other sides
Is Arx Fatalis a dungeon crawler?
>>323730604
It has dungeons and you go through said dungeons for loot and a challenge therefore it's a dungeon crawler
>>323730230
I have to admit nothing.
But you're right.
>>323730892
>and a challenge
>skyrim
Check out Exanima
>Need the Serpent Staff to open the pyramid
>I'm an idiot and dropped it somewhere
>>323724975
>>323726480
I didn't like 2 as much as 1. It felt like it had more combat (which is by far the worst part of the games - the Ratling boss is a good example of this; messy fight that's just difficulty because trash mobs surrounds you and makes kiting a pain), and the outdoor environments just didn't appeal to me as much as the seemingly never-ending claustrophobic dungeons of 1. The Air Elementals were pure bullshit, and I'll never understand why you'd put an enemy in your game that there's a chance the player just can't kill. And then have that enemy spawn in earlier areas, when they decide to go back and try another area first. It's more polished, though, so that's a plus.
>>323728134
Demon's Souls is a much better example. Not a Dungeon Crawler, but has a really good feel for it.
>>323730990
Skyrim actually is challenging unless you're some no life virgin that plays video games for more then 4 hours a day
>>323729741
well i wouldnt call it that, however the same devs made Arx Fatalis, which is in fact a dungeon crawler
>>323730975
Craig Mullins' art is god tier.
I heard persona 1 and 2 are dungeon crawlers, are them any good?
>>323729851
I have Wizardry 6/7/8. I played a bit of 8 until my computer broke but I remember getting lost which was a refreshing feeling after how much every game now holds your hand. What makes 6 better?
Might & Magic 6 has some of the best dungeons ever seen in a video game
the gameplay itself isnt that good however, you basically just spam the attack key and occasionally use healing magic
>>323732504
Mah nigga, although I have some nostalgia-fueled preference for 7 and 8 over 6.
>>323731809
It isn't shit like 8
Also SNES > fugly PC
>>323730892
By those criteria God of War is a dungeon crawler
>>323729937
So is God of War then. Just because you can level up items and armor doesn't mean a game is an RPG. When you dilute the meaning of a term so much it loses all significance.
Dark Souls is Action/Adventure
>>323723874
Here's an old favorite.
Deathtrap Dungeon.
>>323724704
You are supposed to kite enemies, ideally not taking any damage. Learn to square dance.
>>323731306
I wouldn't call it challenging. Only tedious.
Level scaling turn enemies into sponges and you eventually have to rely on sneaking to make the battles quicker.
There's one puzzle where you have to orient four statues according to something like a poem that got me thinking. Everything else are not-puzzles since the keys also have the fucking combination on it (wait a minute, that claw!).
>>323731739
>>323723874
The biggest problem I have with Grimrock is the magic system. Not because of the system itself, but because they make you use the mouse for it when it would fit perfectly and be far more convenient to regularly use if you could control it with the numpad.
>>323731079
You can still finish the game without setting foot in the pyramid. That's a stupid mistake tho
>>323735706
But then you would have to take your hand off of the mouse and put it on the numpad. That seems way less intuitive.
Does anyone played mordor? If i remember correctly it was some decent crawler.
Lightning Warrior Raidy
>>323734997
CSB>1>2
>>323734270
>So is God of War then
How so? The gameplay is nothing like Dark Souls', nor the level design, nor does it have stats.
>>323727043
dat stratum theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x3r9jhj2HQ
>>323735876
My mouse is directly next to the numpad, so I'd have no problem with that. I find it more of a pain moving the cursor around all of the runes every time.
It would've been nice to have the option.
>>323735706
Considering your mouse is pretty much always down by the portrait anyway, I think it's fine.
I like the magic system, having to select the correct runes makes magic more hectic in the middle of combat
This.
anyone here tried star crawler?
>>323724975
>get to the more open areas in Grimrock 2
>game starts chugging
>>323730414
Is that actually a cheese tactic? I didn't play the first game and backpedaling in a circle came pretty naturally to me. Do people actually tank the monsters?
>>323723874
This and EO are the best i've played.
>>323736307
I got this game when I was like 12, and spent quite a long timeundressing my female character. When I was finally sated, I'd play the game for awhile until it inevitably crashed.
>>323737252
I don't think anybody tanked the monsters - at least anybody that got past the first floor.
Getting backed into a situation where you have to tank something is a horrible thing. Anybody should figure out that backpedalling every monster is the correct thing to do
>>323737252
not really a point to having a tanky guy if you can do the whole game with that
>>323728002
The main thing that bugged me about Grimrock 1 was that there seemed to be too many fights that each took too long. Either have more weaker monsters or fewer stronger ones (preferably the latter, so combat actually feels significant), but not both.
Perhaps my build was bad, hence why fights were taking so long, but I found myself think "Eugh, another minotaur thing. Can I just avoid it this time?"
>bashing grimrock combat
>probably didn't even play eye of the beholder
>>323734270
Wait how is Dark Souls not an RPG? I'm legit curious, unless you're just baiting.
>>323737756
Just because you can tank damage doesn't mean you should do it. Having frontline fighters is important because you will be forced to tank sometimes, and you don't want a team of 4 squishy characters if that happens
how about some new-ish games
>elminage gothic
wizardry clone tough stuff
>heroes of a broken land
random generated dungeons with some kind of exploration and town building
>paper sorcerer
>the quest
mobile game recently ported to steam apparently it's pretty good
>fall of the dungeon guardians
looks very similar to grimrock but combat is kind of "MMO" formula tank, healer etc also realtime with pausing
feel free to add more if you know about them
>>323731079
I dropped the staff in the very bottom of the crystal mine surrounded by spiders. I broke the legs of all my characters and depleted my food stock to get that fucker back.
>97 posts
>no Dungeons of Dredmor
Disgraceful. All of you.
>>323738021
when in grimrock 1 are you forced into melee combat like that?
i beat the game with a full on tank fighter, a dodgetank rogue, a ranged rogue, and a mage
the fighter was fucking useless, would've been more useful as another rogue or aranger
>>323723874
Legend of Grimrock 2
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Etrian Odyssey
>>323738889
>babby's first roguelike
>>323738912
dodgetank rogues are good replacements for tanky fighters and fill the same role. Having no tanky guys means not having one of them either
Delvers pretty good
>>323728661
no mods do it right, it's always too easy. d2mod bnet online is the only way to play
>>323731306
No you're just fucking terrible faggot.
Check out The Summoning. Old as fuck but a pretty good isometric RPG with a focus on spellcasting. System was unique at the time, using runes to cast and create spells.
>>323731306
Mods, arrest this man!
