>was the weakest of the three consoles of it's generations
>it was infamous for being hard to develop for due to it's poor architecture
>hardware was shit and a mess with a high failure rate, especially with earlier models
>optical drives constantly having problems
>some famous devs even went out of their ways to force publishers to not make them release games for it
>and yet it was the most popular console of all time
Why?
>>323720330
Cheap DVD player. Also there were four consoles in that generation.
DVD player and price drops.
>>323720453
>PS2
>GameCube
>Xbox
What was the fourth?
>>323720330
>GTA and actually had games
>dvd player that was much cheaper than actual dvd players at the time
>GTA
>>323720453
This.
You were basically getting a DVD player and you got a console for another 20$
>>323720330
It is offensive how people chose this instead the gc or the fucking superior DC.
I'm not a graphicwhore but the frames troubles in ps2 games were fucking annoying.
>>323720659
The dreamcast, little boy.
>>323720330
There were a ton of games and most were actually good.
>>323720659
Dreamcast
>>323720330
>GTA
>cheap dvd player
>advertising, hype, and some retarded claims like being able to fire missles with the device's power
>established brand name
There you go. I personally am iffy on the console, because of its shit spec, but I love some of the titles that came for it.
>>323720818
Nah the Dreamcast was at a generation of it's own, Sega gave up on it before the PS2 was even released, I remember many Sonic and Sega titles were released on PS2.
>>323720797
I still remember how shit RE4 looked on PS2 compared to the GC version.
>>323720330
DVD player and casuals.
>>323720330
>deal with Rockstar
>DVD player
>exclusives through the roof
>easy to mod and pirate
It's still the best console ever made, and for a good reason it was fucking amazing.
>>323720330
It had the best games.
Backwards compatibility was a godsend in its early days.
>>323720797
DC never got anywhere near the graphical demand of the PS2. The DC also had a shitty proprietary disc in an attempt to kill piracy.
The PS2 also had one of the strongest launch line up of a system that I can remember. Picking anything else was just being wrong.
>>323721515
If you want to see a blatant difference in graphical rendering between PS2/DC go look up Soul Reaver screens.
>>323720330
It was popular due to effective marketing and its functionality as a DVD player.
It also ended up having the best selection of games available on any console, but that came afterwards.
>>323720330
Because games
Insn't that why consoles are made for?
>>323721694
Why?
>>323721515
It took PS2 games around a year to look as good as DC games. Most devs had major problems with the hardware in the beginning. Of course, later games looked better than DC games but still early PS2 games were pretty disappointing in regard to graphics.
>>323721808
NO!!!
Consoles are for you to pick a side and defend it like a bible thumper, no matter how irrational you get you still have to stick to what is RIGHT. Games are optional.
>>323722073
OK? That doesn't really prove me wrong. Most consoles have rocky third party development at the start, Sony ones in particular. DC didn't have a ton of third party, what was was also available on the same old-gen consoles, and I think it may have been easier to figure out since it was windows based.
>>323720330
>it was infamous for being hard to develop for due to it's poor architecture
when did "good architecture" helped in the popularization of a platform?, ever heard what carmack said about early iphone opengl and shit?
DC was running windows CE and directx, didn't do shit to make the platform successful, that's why "its like a PC" is always bullshit and irrelevant marketing shit
>>323722425
I was just trying to give you some info on the graphics discussion.
Also, there is no right or wrong. I owned all four consoles of the generation and got each of them on release. All of them had great exclusives worth playing.
>>323722451
Nowadays it sure seem it does, when you ask most people why they get the PS4 over the Xbox One they'll say that it's because the graphics are better.
>>323720659
10 year olds are not allowed on here
24 y/o here. PS2 is practically my SNES. Still playing good shit on it to this day.
I recognize of course that multiplats were bad. But most multiplats were western dog shit anyway. The good stuff like Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was few and far between.
>>323720453
>Cheap DVD player
Pretty much this.
Playstation = First affordable CD console.
Playstation 2 = Cheap DVD player.
Playstation 3 = Cheap Blu-ray player.
Playstation 4 = The not-Xbone console.
If the Playstation brand has survived to these days is more by pure luck or thanks to the ineptitude of their rivals than anything else.
>>323724673
Wasn't the PS3 the worst selling console of it's generation though? I know Wii sold the most and Xbox 360 was a huge success in America.
>>323724673
PS2 dominated the RPG market. If there was a familiar name in the era, it was either Gamecube or Playstation. Xbox had tons of new IPs and was the best for multi-plats that weren't developed on the GC, but it was the dude bro console. Hell, Halo started that shit. PS2 had the largest number of "bestest game of all time"s.
SOCOM was dope, too.
>>323724673
>If the Playstation brand has survived to these days is more by pure luck or thanks to the ineptitude of their rivals than anything else.
Isn't that the case with every other company ever made?
>>323724935
yes but it evened out after a couple rocky years and definitely strung up the 360 in Europe and Japan
>>323720330
Dvd Player
Dreamcast was featured all over magazines the year before PS2 came out but stupid Sony Marketing crushed it.
>>323724935
I might be wrong but if I rememebr correctly, the PS3 did beat the 360 at the very end of the generation, it just took a really long time for it to catch up. The difference was barely even there though.
>>323721021
You can have your own ideas about it all you like. But it was still there and is considered by anyone who isn't retarded to be a part of that gen. Sorry bro.
>>323720797
didn't the gamecube launch much later though ? like a year ?
>>323725319
1 year isn't much later, many people don't buy a new console in the first year of release because there are not many games and the console prices are just absurd. The PS2 was released at $299, which by then was a little fortune.
>>323720330
I'm putting this behind spoiler tags so it doesn't trigger anybody
the reason the PS2 was so popular was because it hadFUNVIDEOGAMES
>>323725692
>being this delusional
Do you also leave cookies out for Santa Claus?
>>323725754
y-no
of course not
hahaha
>>323725754
GTFO HUEY
>>323720330
It had the most GAMES and people cared about the GAMES in that generation.
>>323725754
>DMC 1-3
>Timesplitters
>Onimusha
>Fighting games SF Anniversary collection, KoF Collections, CvS2
>Kingdom Hearts
>FFXII, FFXI
>Maximo games
>DDR/Gitaroo Man/countless music games
>Grand Theft Auto 3, Vice City, San Andreas
Also
>Dat perfect ps2 controller design
>delusional
>Countless, countless other games.
Sure it got some crappier versions of multiplats but at that time I was a teenager and I was happy to be playing RE4 on a PS2 controller.
You're terrible at trolling.
>>323726996
Timesplitters was multiplat though.
>>323726451
HE'S NOT REAL! You say he's a fat man from the north pole but anyone can see he's a WOLF!
>>323727168
Timesplitters 1 was ps2 only
>>323727372
Yeah but 2 and 3 weren't.
>>323725234
Yeah PS3 overtook 360 in 2013 I think, but Xbox had a one year headstart.
7th gen was really competitive, 8th is already over.
2016 for Xbone is the equivalent of 2009 for PS3, by then it had a big library of excellent exclusives.
I hope the NX is a proper console and not a weird "bonus" thing you have in addition to a primary gaming device like the Wii and Wii-U.
>>323727428
Good thing he only had 1 on his list then, huh?
>>323727428
I know but he only said timesplitters not 2 and future perfect.
>>323724673
Weren't standalone CD players already affordable by the time the PS1 released? I'm also sure the older CD based consoles could play audio CDs.
>>323727946
>>323728267
But how can you say that Timesplitters is a reason to buy a PS2 when it's sequels are available elsewhere? Especially when the sequels are actually regarded as being better games.
>>323728317
No they were still expensive.
>>323728412
First one was the best, faggot.
>>323728634
It was comfortably the worst.
>>323728634
Nobody believes that, not even you.
>>323728634
That's completely wrong.
>>323720818
>>323720880
>>323723630
to be fair, the dreamcast is to 6th gen as the wii-u is to 8th.
>>323728987
And the Wii to 7th.
>>323728317
I don't think anyone bought a ps1 just for the CD player, without in-built speakers it wouldn't be very appealing even if it was cheap.
But people bought the Ps2 just for the DVD player because it was the cheapest option, playing games was a bonus and "something the kids will enjoy".
>>323720660
Xbox and PC had the better GTA releases
>>323729072
the wii sold the best though, and nintendo didn't kill the console before the generation really took off.
>>323720330
Because of pirating
Games outside countries like USA or Japan were extremely expensive back then, so people had to choose the cheapest console for gaming
Since the PS2 was easy to pirate (just like the PS1) and DVD burners made it even easier, the console had huge amount of sales in places like South America, Eastern Europe and Middle East
>>323729379
The PC releases of GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas were all butched and missed graphical effects from the PS2 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhA1rjd91p0
>>323728987
Most 1st gen PS2 titles ran worst than the Dreamcast versions.
It was clearly 6th gen, not like the Wii U which still is hit or miss with 360 ports.
>>323720330
>>323729567
This. I'm from Eastern Europe, you could even buy pirated copies with boxes and cover art for like 10 dollars at the time, also the same stores sold original copies and fresh consoles however most people went there to get modded consoles, we even had repair shops that would mod consoles for you and other shit, it was a glorious time. Then I started burning games myself and I had like 100+ burned PS2 games which all worked flawlessly.
>>323720330
>>was the weakest of the three consoles of it's generations
I wasn't. Your 2nd meme arrow explains the sole reason why were the PS2 versions of multiplats most of the time worse. If we are talking about raw horsepower, it outshines GC and even some departments of Xbox with no issues.
>>323729567
same as the psp
>>323730327
Do you still believe that the EE had "infinite" FP?
It was the weaker than the GC and Xbox, by far RE4 is a blantant example.
>>323731056
RE4 is a former GC exclusive with a PS2 version as an afterthought. I don't believe it had infinite anything, but comparing stuff like GFLOPS or polys/s clearly shows a difference in favor of PS2.
What does it matter?
In the end, PC always wins.
This "gen" was over before it even started. How many so called exclusives are already on PC? More and more are getting there every year. Xbone no longer has Tomb Raider and how long is it really until Bloodborne moves to PC. What will the consoles have then?
Nintenbabbies need not apply as nobody cares.
>>323720330
>>optical drives constantly having problems
I suppose you're talking about DRE and the lawsuit regarding that.
DRE happens mostly on 50k models and some early slims because Sony's engineers went a bit too far with the anti-piracy modifications to the main board which also affected legitimate users. Anything before but mostly after those models is safe from these issues.
>>323731297
>RE4 is a former GC exclusive with a PS2 version as an afterthought.
All other ports were made for the PS2 then ported to the Xbox and GC as an afterthough.
They still shat all over the Ps2 versions, visually and in performance.
>but comparing stuff like GFLOPS
Which is FP performance, which Sony claimed it was almost "infinite" and gave the 6.5 GFLOPS figure. Which of course no software on it ever came close to getting it.
>polys/s
Again, no game on the PS2 ever came close to getting the figure Sony gave.
GC and Xbox had games in their first years with 10 million polys per second, no PS2 game ever went above 5 million in a game.
Kinda off topic but I'm still gonna ask.
I wanna mod my ps2 to play pirated games. Would a MODBO5.0 V1.93 Chip work for that?
>>323732151
Get FMCB. If you insist on getting a modchip, seek legitimate Matrix Infinity, not its clones (such as modbo).
>>323731549
Graphics only matter in console wars. If you bring up PC it changes to "Whatever happened to gameplay? Who cares about framerate and resolution, I just want good games!"
>>323732091
>Which of course no software on it ever came close to getting it.
6.2 to be precise and that figure is actually correct, it just requires a shitload of parallelization across the EE and VUs and a lot of skill and hand-crafted assembly if you want to efficiently pair the code which is near impossible in game development.
>no game on the PS2 ever came close to getting the figure Sony gave
I'd doubt that, even though precalculating data on the VU1 before it goes to GS (Path 1) is quite difficult, it's nowhere near impossible.
>>323731549
I find it funny that the only games i'm interested in are only coming out for PS4.
Rime
Last Guardian
WiLD
Nier Automata
Aside from Scalebound I haven't really cared so much about what's coming out for PC and XBONE.
PS2 always felt "cheap" to me. Like it was one of those weird obscure consoles that look like a VCR, but this time around it just happened to take off. The thing felt like it would always break whenever I touched it.
>Hardware problems
>Mine still works perfectly despite being quite rough with it over the past 15 years
>>323720330
It is universally regarded as the best of the three and some people claim that it has the best library of any console to ever be released.
I don't know who you've been talking to or what you have been reading but obviously you're a Nintendrone/Xbox faggot who has never owned a ps2.
Jealous retards
>>323721694
Are you fucking retarded? Soul Reaver was released for PS1 and DC, not PS2.
>>323734020
My 2005 360 still works too, doesnt mean it wasnt cheap shit with a fuckton of problems.
>>323734324
The 360 isn't the PS2
I never had any problems and knew a lot of people who had PS2s without any problems.
>>323724673
So much ignorance it fucking hurts
Playstation has always had better exclusives than Xbox. Even if xbox had better hardware for the 360 (and it was marginal at best), the PS4 blows the xbone out of the water. Xbox can't even compete with playstation right now.
>>323734457
Maybe if you left your basement.
>>323726996
/thread
Cheap dvd player.
GOAT library.
And because Playstation has always been perceived as cool.
>>323734682
>Playstation has always had better exclusives than Xbox
People buying PS2s, 3s or 4s aren't buying them for their exclusives.
>>323725754
Go back to your dated halo or baby mario games, your kind isn't welcome here.
>>323720453
>PS1 DVD's audio
Cheap DVD player, piracy, lot of games.
>>323727168
>>323727428
I like how you try to save face even when your being a retarded faggot. You're a special type of person.
>>323729757
Hey look, a line up of games I and all my friends actually played. Good times.
>>323735086
>Cheap DVD player
*only for the first year
>>323734939
>Final Fantasy wasn't a system seller
>Final Fantasy won't be a system seller
>>323734993
Who the fuck even used DVD audio? That shit sounds about as obscure as Video CDs.
>>323728412
>Timesplitters
>Reason to buy a ps2
Nigga he was just spouting off exclusives that made the PS2 worth while at the time, a single never justified the purchase of a console (unless it's MGS1-4).
>>323729379
>Xbox has the better GTA releases
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>and yet it was the most popular console of all time
It had pretty cool games
When do schools re-open.
I'm sick of these shitty bait threads.
>>323735456
??? They were visually better and had better framerates. How were they not?
>>323731549
Alright pc uck, tell me what exclusives have actually come out FOR the PC other than your meme iPhone-grade games like Undertale, papers please, and prison architect, or your shit-tier early-access open world games like ARK (which is going to have a PS4 release anyway) that are even worth playing?
There are no worthwhile PC exclusives anymore. There is a reason why you never see consolefags bitching about not getting a specific game whereas all you pc ucks do is cry about console exclusives.
Delusional retards.
>>323735763
Shitposting should slowly decline in February, that's my guess.
>>323735934
The GTA (esp. San Andreas) non-PS2 releases tended to lack the special effects on the PS2 versions.
>>323735456
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_5-6Nx7BJXg
>>323734939
I bought my PS2 and PS3 because I knew MGS was an exclusive on those systems along with many other great titles.
Xbox had Gears and Halo, both are mediocre and became dated very quickly.
Fast forward to today, nobody cares about halo or gears anymore, the Xbone has no exclusives worth playing. The system is dead in the water. Meanwhile PS4 has an amazing lineup of exclusives for 2016.
>>323736240
The xbox version kept most, excluding the grass and added more objects and specular lights, aa, 480p, etc.
The
>>323731549
>PC always wins
Oh really?
Tell me some big name PC exclusives coming out. Only thing I've waiting for is Star Citizen.
Tell me when last time consolefags were begging for a PC game, and not vice versa.
If it wasn't for console ports and Steam, PC gaming would be dead.
And this is coming from an idort.
Mustards are fucking cancer.
>>323731549
>how long is it really until Bloodborne moves to PC
About 12 years when emulation catches up
>>323735934
You're lucky playstation gave you fags some charity. You didn't have them when they first came out though, and that's what counts.
>>323736251
christ the XBox version is so fucking janky it hurts
PS2 version looked a little worse but performed better
>>323736489
>emulating x86_64
Good luck, you'll need it.
>>323731549
>how long is it really until Bloodborne
Try never because Sony.
I love how you're trying to imply PC wins when in your very post you're hoping for console games.
Fucking pathetic.
>>323735312
Modern gamers won't know what a killer app is.
>>323736645
I see we have a wiseguy here
Emulation has nothing to do with BIOS or software, it's all architecture and I'm playing Bloodborne on Windows 10 right now :^)
>>323736624
You keep using that word.
The ps2 version was dropping frames like a motherfucker.
>>323736868
Along with stuff like JSFR for the original Xbox, correct?
>>323736798
Modern consoles have killer apps. Halo is the only reason anyone bought the Bone.
>>323737197
And Halo is dated and sucks unfortunately. Destiny is even better and that game sucks dick too because it tried too hard to copy halo.
>>323736530
You did great beta testing for the superior version :^)
>>323737404
OK? Doesn't change that it's the Ones killer app.
>>323737404
Destiny better? Go away kotick.
>>323737404
In terms of gameplay destiny is...refreshing compared to Halo, but it suffers where the original Halo games' succeed in story and lore.
Also it looks like they change multiplayer gameplay in 5 a lot, don't know how it works though since I don't have a Xbone
>>323737617
>Halo 5
>killer app after nobody liked 4 and everyone stopped giving a shit about Halo
>the One
I smell Spencer
>>323738705
Anniversary collection, as well. I don't know why anybody would buy it. Whenever I saw a Bone thread it was basically just a Halo thread.
>>323739073
>HD collection
>killer app
Oof
>>323739329
That's how it is. The Last of Us HD was a big seller for the PS4 when it came out.
