do you know any good american civil war game /v/ ?
>bump
Best one I ever played was North vs South on nintendo
Uuuh the Only game that comes to mind is Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood but it isn't solely a civil war game, it just happens to be situated in the same era.
>>323680360
There's a good official civ 4 mod, it's about north vs south. Basically turns the game into panzer general colonial. North Vs South was great but it's a shit to work these days. Also human controlled canons were OP, you could kill the enemy army most times especially if there was a bridge.
>>323681306
it looks fun
>>323681576
i want a game like eu4 or victoria style but more detailed.
i know victoria ii has "a house divided" event but i don't know how detailed it is
Probably some mount and blade warband mod
Here friend
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_Civil_War_video_games
>>323680360
Victoria 2
Unreal Tournament
>>323680360
ultimate general gettysburg
>>323682141
i played that, its called 1860sOldAmerica
its fun but not realistic enough.
>>323682480
ty i think it will help
>>323683061
i will look it up
Bump for OP and me
>>323683742
You a patriot?
BANNED
>>323683742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMTu1GDi_w
thx mate let's cheer up
>>323684857
Do the southerns have any good battle songs? It's hard to find to find rallying songs, bugle calls and similar that are actually from the war. Most seem to be well before and be more "federation" songs or historical rewrites. I refuse to beluieve anyone with that many minstrels couldn't have a good ditty beyond what OP posted
>>323685390
i listened some songs but nothing was better than to arms in dixie
>17 posts without Sherman-posting or /pol/-tier bait
I think this is a record.
>implying the confederates did anything wrong
>>323686819
maybe because the thread is really about civil war games.
also how the fuck there is so little civil war games
in the world ?
>>323686654
I would have thought with all the minstrels and such that the south would have had good songs, but it sounds like they outsourced their music to negroes just like their farm work. What do the southerners claim for culture? Bespoke whips?
>>323687112
Well having real time combat in one would be boring as shit.
>>323687112
I know some but its multiplayer only stuff sadly
>>323680360
Ultimate general: gettysburg is pretty good.
>>323685390
>anyone with that many minstrels
What do you mean?
I know before the war there were a lot of travelling minstrel shows in America, but I was not under the impression that they were known for playing music.
>>323687112
because they would be banned for having the confederate flag
what are you, a fucking racist enabler?
>>323687519
>What do you mean?
Niggers love songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2W1lK7P-I
>>323683534
>>323682141
Has either of you played North vs South?
Oh and just a heads up, they are making an official version of the mod called Battlecry of Freedom, in a similar vein to Napoleonic wars was to Mount and Musket.
>>323689428
i played north vs south like 6 times while monitoring this thread.
vs. ai is pretty fun but with a friend the game probably is a lot more fun
>>323687526
No it would have to be like WW2 games with southerners instead of nazis. the southerners are depicted as evil slaver baby rapist from hell in league with the devil, and the honourable northerners are liberating the country from their tyranny, and are all multiracial and gay
A buddy of mine told me that Sid Meier's Gettysburg is pretty good.
American Civil War mod for ETW
>>323680360
>american civil war game
>can't play as south
>south are 'bad guys'
>>323690085
>wanting to play as the enemy
fuck off you traitorous racist commie fuck
I bet you play japanese games
fuck the south sk everday straight from az
>>323690085
does any wwii rts or grand strategy does that ?
>>323690318
kek, Your country wouldn't be ruled by a nigger if the south had won
>>323690085
As it should be. If only the south could drop its backward racist religious ideologies, it could grow past third world status and from leeching welfare from the north. America could be strong again.
>>323690085
>south are 'bad guys'
Their economic principles were shot to hell and they couldn't continue to operate the way they were. They were just petulant and wanted more say in matters of the union than they had any right to. Same as today. "We might be one of 50 states, but fuck you lets us run the place." And there's multiple states that scream this shit.
>>323690598
kek, south has the most blacks, also has the most welfare
who's surprised?
>>323690085
Southerner killer all day everyday
>>323690905
Lol I ain't even american
>sophisticated, progressive gentlemen backed by the incredible might of the northern industrial complex were held off for years by a bunch of backwards, under-equipped, uneducated hillbilly fucks
>over a hundred years later you lot still bring it up like you won some incredible victory
It took longer for you rejects to take out the fucking natives.
I'm glad we were rid of you incompetent shiteaters when you "won" the War of American Aggression.
>>323680360
>Lee's stance on slavery was that it would end when God ended it
>Because of this decided to fight for his state, rather than the North or the South
>Was strict, but cared for his men
>Decided to surrender for the sake of his men, instead of sending them into the mountains to fight guerrilla style
>Was well respected by both the North and the South as a hero because of this
>Lived the rest of his life with the shame of having his citizenship revoked
Poor Lee
>>323685390
Every song from the time period has two versions, Union and Confederate. No idea which were actually made during the war vs postwar. There's also songs that are more focused on specific units (Irish and German brigades) so you can probably find some southern specific unit.
Hell there's even a Union version of dixie, which is straight up hilarious, but not as crazy as "good ol' rebel," which is a postwar song.
>>323691280
leave if you hate civil war.
i just love the era. the way both southern and northern men fought. you can flip your ideology in /pol/ or other retarded political forum.
>>323691641
>Every song from the time period has two versions, Union and Confederate
They're all old immigrant songs anyhow. I was hoping that at least someone had something new instead of re-writing folk songs about how the English are shit. The Americans seem to have a distinct lack of creativity.
>>323691641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ra9cXx1-o
wow it is true
BAYONEEEEEEEETTTS
>>323691280
.>sophisticated, progressive gentlemen backed by the incredible might of the northern industrial complex
>led by total retards until the late war when Grant and Sherman go nuts
>a bunch of backwards, under-equipped, uneducated hillbilly fucks
>led by the best leaders the North produced
>fighting defensively the entire time
This is a time period where technology couldn't make up for poor leadership. Today you could be lead by a complete dolt and still carpet bomb your enemies to oblivion because they just have rifles and no AA technology.
>War of American Aggression
The fuck are you even referring to.
>>323692479
The Civil War has a metric shit ton of names that both the north and south gave it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_American_Civil_War
>>323680360
theres upcoming game called war of rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUluC6QHS7I
>>323692153
>ywn fix bayonets and charge down little round top alongside based colonel chamberlain
verdun is pretty fun
>>323692126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ccQ6cT-9kk&feature=related
Battle Cry of Freedom, as far as I know, isn't adapted from anything, but here, maybe you can find a song to your liking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_of_the_American_Civil_War
>>323692780
looks fun but battles could be more grand scaled.
>went to see gods and generals when I was a kid because a reenactor friend was in it
>thought it was awesome
>apaprently everyone else thought it sucked
was it just because I was 14 and it had shit exploding for 4 hours?
>>323692642
Except I've never heard of "American Aggression," because that is fucking retarded since both sides are, in full, the "United States of America" and the "Confederate States of America." That would be like having a war between East and West Germany and calling it the "War of German Aggression." It literally tells you nothing, and it is doubtful that anyone who actually participated in the war would call it as such.
>>323693093
Much appreciated. I know the old Irish song cadence it's based on.
>>323692479
>The fuck are you even referring to.
The "Revolutionary War" as you yanks call it.
>>323690085
Tfw morons will never know that the north is just as racist as the south and didnt give two fucks about liberating blacks
>>323693376
It was pretty good. I liked Gettysburg a lot more though, even at the time. Robert Duvall was fucking way better than Martin Sheen as Lee though.
>>323693613
So you are just a butthurt bongistani? Why should we care about your opinion? You are probably a fucking disgusting paki anyway
>>323693881
Shooting you be out shooting unarmed black kids and working three jobs to pay for your health insurance, Americlap?
>>323691438
What? He and the entire south got an official pardon
>>323693881
Nothing more sad than a man who can only claim historical victories as his own, and still does. You make even those who dropped in Grenada cringe.
>>323694014
top kek
Call of Duty Civil Warmade by Treyarchwhen?
>>323694014
>caring about criminal niggers
Paki spotted, you are a disgrace to the UK
>>323694192
Are you fucking retarded? Did you even read the post tyat i replied to? He implied that the Americans didnt even win the revolution. And what part of my post did i say that I single handedly won and fought in the revolution? Are you illiterate?
>>323694240
>criminal
By the American definition of the word, I suppose so.
Sometimes I forgot that Americans sentence people to decades in prison for possession of marijuana.
>>323694393
>attack cop
>get shot
>this is somehow unjustified
>>323694393
degenerate junkies deserve to be locked away 2bh
just shut up, you're making my country look bad
>>323694369
>Draft dodger trying too hard to prove he's got fight
Go smoke a bong and calm down you commie.
Scourge of War
>>323694393
More like a fine and probation. Unless you're the one selling shit tons of it to people.
Also DUUUUUDE WEED LMAO
>>323694572
It's probably a paki britbro, i know you guys are not braindead like he is.
>>323694369
>He implied that the Americans didnt even win the revolution.
You didn't. We let you win. We were kings of the fucking seas m8, and you think we cared about some piddly, backwards colonies out in bumfuck nowhere?
>abloo-bloo, I dun wanna pay taxes, ah'm a gonna secede
Funny, considering nowadays Americans are taxed out the ass for everything.
>>323694593
What the fuck are you going on about.
>>323694659
Thanks mate, god I hate muslims
Reminder it takes 12 UK law enforcement agents to subdue one foreigner.
>>323694801
I fucking hate all this bullshit in the uk about how police are supposed to be friendly and community figures, fuck that, just let them catch criminals, give them the tools they need to fuck up degenerates
>>323694765
>>323694760
Yeah and look at everything now. Britannia rules the waves right achmed?
>hop into ACW games thread
>/pol/ shit posting everywhere
Should've guessed.
>>323694976
Ebin
if you are going to talk about politics go to
>>>/pol/
i want this thread to be quality discussion about civil war culture and civil war games
i had fun with the game, wish i knew age of empires existed then
>>323695041
Blame the muslims, they started it. I would love some civil war games
Anyone know if those history channel ones are any decent?
>>323694801
i'd love to see more videos of something like this
>>323695126
>meme posting
So we're done here then? You're willing to stop being tool and let the thread run as normal?
>>323694801
>>323694952
why cant they at least get tasers?
then there would be no danger of going full retard like america, but police can still incapacitate a nigger at range
>>323695213
>people legitimately responding to obvious Aussie shitposter
You guys are fucking dumb.
>>323695315
They have got tasers, but only for certain officers, tasers don't kill, every policeman should be given one. Or possibly rubber bullets
>>323695213
Thanks.
>>323695256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ihDTHpHs8
Ignore the brit bong accent, it was a SWAT sniper from the 90's back before they got neutered by "muh justice" bullshit.
>>323695275
Im not the one who started the shitflinging you goddamn mongoloid, nothing i typed was even b8.
>>323695562
>still going
*yawn*
>>323695218
fuck scraps
There is a disgusting lack of civil war games
Total war expansion set in the civilnwar when?
>>323695660
>still replying
You are just as guilty.
>>323695721
You think you have it bad?
Try looking for english civil war games
>>323695721
There should be a mod for Napoleon that does the civil war.
>>323695721
Civil war is boring and unappealing to non Americans.
Id rather have morr Napoleon stuff.
Best song coming thru
http://youtu.be/aWB7_o6x6DA
>>323694760
>We were kings of the fucking seas m8
>french navy managed to blockade the colonies
Jokes aside, a navy's reach is only as good as it's ports, and the loss of colonies = loss of ports.
>some piddly
Colonies that were many magnitudes greater in size than the home country, providing loads of raw resources without having to trade with another country.
>backwards
There wasn't really that much of a technological gap, it was more of an industrial gap, which closed rather quickly after the war.
>bumfuck nowhere?
Maybe relative to the European stage, but the British would come back to further colonize the area (Canada) because of the raw resource potential.
Face it, if Britain retained control of the colonies it would be way better off today than it is now. "Letting the colonists win" is probably the dumbest thing you could have ever done.
>>323695868
It's because nobody gives a fuck about your history beyond the fact that you birthed the greatest nation on Earth.
>>323695721
i know, right.
how the fuck there is not a huge grand strategy game where you can.
>use european help
>use mexican empire
>use indians against union
>use blacks against confederacy (which they actually did)
>>323695913
talk to you yourself, im from turkey and i started this thread. i have huge boner for american civil war.
>>323695838
I know I am but what are you!?
So we're both autistic. Want to pretend to be women on steam?
>>323695721
>Total War: Sherman
>lead a batshit insane campaign of ass rape through the southern states
Would play
>>323695868
War of the roses? The only game i can think of was the game of the same name.
>>323695929
Why is it that the Irish and Australians have such boners for the Confederacy?
>>323696068
Nah, the english civil war, it was a revolution that got rid of the monarch, Oliver Cromwell became a dictator and fucked over Ireland
>>323696025
Did you know the Russian Empire would have aided the union had the british aided the confederacy?
I think that could make a cool as fuck feature
>>323696146
Same ideas about governmental powers and structure.
>>323696229
If the brits had actually aided the confederates, south would've won I think.
>>323696201
Just looked it up, i really should brush up on my pre-1700s history, that war would be cool as fuck to have a game set in it.
>>323696146
Nice generalization, friend
>>323695913
>first war with trains for logistics
>first war with aerial reconnaisance
>first war with trench warfare
>first war where rifled guns were the primary weapon
>first war with automatic weapons
>first war with ironclad ships
sure is boring
>>323695929
Why do the Irish make goat songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfK_aSGZFwo
>>323696201
The game Pike and Shot has english civil war
>>323696229
yes i'm exactly talking about that.
in 1776 without french help usa would be btfo by british empire.
confedate started rebellion with hope from european aid.
>>323696329
If they had really committed and used all their resources, absolutely. But Britain never would've done that just for cheap cotton.
>>323696518
>If they had really committed and used all their resources, absolutely
Sure worked great last time, right?
>>323696479
Cool, thanks bro. I fucking love european history
>>323696436
>first war with modernized artillery
>first war that hints that modern war is no place for dudes standing in lines, shooting each other in the open
If the Europeans were actually paying attention, WWI would have been quite different.
>first war with automatic weapons
>first war with aerial reconnaisance
I'm not sure we should count these, while technically correct, because their use wasn't as widespread as WWI. Gatlings were privately purchased by generals, and balloons weren't that prevalent.
>there will never be a ACW game were you play as a soldier under the command of William Quantrill
>you'll never burst out of the woods in the middle of the night screaming like a fucking banshee into a camp of Union soldiers and slaughter them all like the fucking dogs they were
>>323696665
To be fair Britain could never commit all it's power to quelling american revolution because it owned so much fucking land.
>>323696518
If britain had done it, it would've been to continue the slave trade, which was already abolished over 30 years ago in britain, so they had nothing to gain
>>323696824
>If the Europeans were actually paying attention, WWI would have been quite different.
If the americans were paying attention, they wouldn't have joined 2 years late
>>323691438
lee flat out said if he could free every slave to avert war he would have.
>>323697012
Now why would he say something like that, when the war wasn't even over slavery?
>>323692479
>best leaders the north ever produced
Grant and sherman were incredibly flawed. One was a drunkard and the other a raging bipolar nutjob. Only by each one keeping the other in check did the get results.
>>323690085
>wanting to play subhuman trash
>>323697362
>wanting to play literal cuckolds that sold out their country for BBC
>>323694228
It could have worked when the fanbase wasn't nearly all 12 year old kids spoiled by tons of TACTICOOL. There's no way they would be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing something like that now
>>323697362
If we're subhuman trash, why did you all fight for years to get us back?The North is tsundere for the South.
>>323694021
Lee's citizenship was revoked and he only regained the status in the 1970s
>>323681306
thats also on steam
you can also check out ultimate general gettys burg OP
>>323697703
Because then you inbred hicks would be invading the North to get actual goods since you were too bumfuck stupid to make your own.
mid seiers gebbysburg
>>323697703
Shut up faggot, i-it's not like we actually wanted you back or anything.
>>323697158
Except it was over slavery? I never contested that. South Carolina rebelled and sought sovereignty due to the election of lincoln. lincoln had no designs to ban slavery in the southern states - however he refused future states to allow slavery if they joined the union. The southern states saw the future of the US being a majority non-slave institution and SC rebelled due to it. It was always about slaves - but more importantly the economic effects on a low-pop agrarian based industry without a slave work-force.
>>323690085
>left union because people of the united states didn't vote how they liked
>not commie fucks who hate freedom and democracy
>>323695868
>english civil war
My nigga.
>>323696959
>Joining a war that has nothing to do with you
Granted America enjoys jumping into wars for no reason, but the case for delay in the first world war was pretty solid, since it was just a huge clusterfuck set off by two murders. America had no real interests at stake, and could make money by just selling supplies to the belligerent parties. It wasn't until Lusitania and the Mexican telegrams that America had sufficient Casus belli to actually do anything.
>>323697996
Lincoln himself said that the war was over preservation of the Union.
South keeps slaves but stay in Union = no war
South frees slaves but stay in Union = no war
South keeps slaves but leave Union = war
South free slaves but leave Union = war
The war was not over slavery.
>>323686906
>muh slaves
>muh Northern Aggression
Remember Fort Sumter
The South talked shit and got hit, March to the Sea best day of my life
>>323698208
Yeah I know bro, I was just bantering you
>>323698018
>centralized government enforcing laws on people who didn't vote for them
who hates freedom and democracy?
>>323698230
The south would Never free their slaves though. Their entire economy and what little industry they had was built and powered by predominately slave labor. That is why so many southern states joined South Carolina when they acted out. And the option of "South Keeps Slaves but Stay in the Union" was right out when SC attacked Fort Sumpter. It was an act of a state attacking an unprovoked federal stronghold. That is an open act of war and not something lincoln could just back down from.
>>323698147
So much to love, the cavaliers with all the money and shitty leadership, the first battles of the war where parliamentary forces got completely BTFO before the new army was formed. The first basis for modern armies, the first universal army uniforms. the insanely cool cavalier uniform.
>>323680360
>people have been brainwashed by decades of PC school propaganda to think the south was any more racist than the north
Top kek.
Everybody hated niggers, even Lincoln thought they were just talking monkeys who were imitating white men.
The civil war was about control, power, and economics.
If you think ANYONE gave a fuck about a bunch of niggers besides as a pretense to go to war you're an uneducated moron.
>>323685390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLMU90Aa2Oo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ot7amDyqbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0i9XMyTw-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3d4SBVjgEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvD6q0XUJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC3MkmecSJ0
here are my personal favorite confederate songs
>>323686906
this
>>323698230
This is true but Lincoln was on the abolition bandwagon present at the time and was pushing for federal action to get rid of slavery. The south didn't want to give up their free labor, and staying in the union would've meant just that.
>>323698476
>and not something lincoln could just back down from.
You dumb nigger, Lincoln provoked the attack on Fort Sumter on purpose, by keeping Northern forces occupying Southern soil despite polite requests from the South Carolina government asking them to vacate.
>>323698476
The north did just want to completely destroy the entirety of the south's economy, hell they still have a shit economy to this day compared to the north. I think the south's rebellion was justified, in that I would have done the same thing in their situation.
>>323698694
Cheers for the work. I appreciate it.
>>323698230
This.
Lincoln was actually ready to let the south keep their slaves, untill actual bloody war broke out.
>>323698634
Half right. ANyone who claims that slaves were not the heart of the issue and the base cause of the war is deluded. However it was considered widespread fact amongst northerners and southerners that slaves were less intelligent and merely aped at being civilized people when not enslaved. However the view was also that they were men and, no matter how inferior deserved freedom. That said the war wasn't sparked over that. It was all economics and the south fearing a future non-slave majority in representation in the union - which would have spelled abolishment within 20-30 years. So at the end of the day it was all about slaves.
>>323698947
>ANyone who claims that slaves were not the heart of the issue and the base cause of the war is deluded.
Except it wasn't. Slavery was the cause of secession, not the cause of war. Neither side cared enough about niggers to die over them.
>>323698717
>polite requests
jesus fucking christ do you into history at all? South Carolina already ceded from the union at this point. Sumpter was a federal installation and as such union property. The commanding general understood this and dutifully refused to vacate.iirc the commander was from kentucky and technically neutral. He simply did his fucking job an refused to back down without orders.
>>323698476
>The south would Never free their slaves though
you're retarded if you actually think this. Slavery would be obsolete in the near future due to technology and also moralfags
>>323698741
I would have as well. I'm actually a southerner by birth and largely support what happened during the war. I just dislike people spouting bullshit like they never read a history book like this cunt >>323698717
>>323698848
And yet the war was sparked because of the slave issue and the south never would agree to letting go of their slaves.
They broke free from the union even though lincoln said off the bat he wouldn't ban their slaves. It was because of his policies on future states that made them leave. They saw that eventually there would be a vast majority of non-slave states in the union and that then it would just be a matter of time before a movement to abolish the institution would get passed. Slavery was still the crux of the war
>>323699218
what was the cause of the war then.
>>323699380
I literally cannot respond to this because of how retard it is. Like I don't even know where to begin
>>323697703
You're subhuman trash but you're OUR subhuman trash dammit
>>323698947
Nope.
Nobody cared about niggers back then, especially not enough to die for them.
you've been deluded by politcally correct propaganda that was institued in the 80's to cover up the fact that america was racist as fuck back then.
It's the same reason negresses name their kids Abraham because they have no idea what Lincoln actually thought because it was omitted from school books
>>323680360
>>323699651
state rights vs federal rights
>>323699776
instead of being a massive retarded pokefag manchild why dont you come up with something to back your shit up?
>>323699776
he's right though. You are fucking dumb if you actually believe that
>>323699280
>South Carolina requests that Fort Sumter be vacated, because foreign agents were occupying what they had themselves deemed a sovereign nation
>Lincoln knows he can't use military force to make the South rejoin the union without appearing as a warmonger
>tells South Carolina government that he is going to resupply Sumter and dares them to do something about it
>Lincoln sends ships INTO THE TERRITORY OF A FOREIGN NATION, WITHOUT CONSENT OF THAT NATION
>foreign nation fires upon invading forces
Go ahead and deny anything I've just stated.
Your argument is the same as if Germany had built a fucking base in the U.S. during WW2, then it would've been wrong for the U.S. to attack that base.
>>323700002
and what, exactly sparked the states vs federal issue? Hm?
>>323700361
Obviously the embargo issue, duh.
Like no one on this board knows history.
>>323699651
Preservation of the union.
>>323700361
n-niggers?
>>323699931
Even Sherman gets wrongly described as being anti-slavery even though he hated black people. He just got in the war because he enjoyed raping and pillaging.
>>323700524
hello little girl, are you lost? That's a very naughty word you know.
>>323700314
>SC steps up and says "we're a nation now - fuck you guys!"
>Federal troops ALREADY IN THE STATE fall back to a defensive fort
>Said fort is still Federal Property
let me ask you, if you were in the shoes of lincoln - would you just say "oh shit these niggers are serious I need to back down!"? No. You would have you men stand their ground. It's like a petulant child whining and you caving in as a parent.
>>323700314
>implying sumpter was built during the civil war
nigga wat
>>323695241
so bad they're good, like ultraschlock.
I picked up the civil war one at a pawn shop back in highschool and it was kind of fun to play with friends, if only to laugh at how terrible it was
>>323700361
That's like saying tea caused the revolution to happen though. The north and south fucking hated each other and tensions were high for years before Lincoln got elected.
>>323700524
yes little girl. So at the end of the day, the base cause of everything were the niggers - slave niggers to be exact.
>>323700707
Lincoln had the Union Soldiers stand their ground because Congress and the people supported the South leaving the Union. Lincoln and a small minority wanted them to stay and he knew if he ordered he troops to hold the fort then the Norh would rally behind him after the Confederates attacked it.
>>323700950
Well it was more over economics than anything really - primarily the southern economic backbone being mired and hand-in-hand with slave labor. It wasn't over the northerners hating the institution of slaver - but more so over the effects it had on the economic success the south had as an agrarian industry. Still all about them slaves tho. Also the northerners viewed slavery as being abolished "eventually". and they didn't want more blacks running around stinking up the place.
>>323700707
>let me ask you, if you were in the shoes of lincoln - would you just say "oh shit these niggers are serious I need to back down!"? No. You would have you men stand their ground. It's like a petulant child whining and you caving in as a parent.
You've misrepresented the argument. It doesn't matter whether Lincoln was right or wrong to do what he did. My point is that he still knowingly and purposefully started the war.
Your claim that Sumter was "unprovoked" is bullshit, because it was Lincoln's intent to provoke the South.
>>323698717
Why should the US take orders from an enemy nation?
The South fired first, talked shit and got hit,
>>323700002
The state's rights to own slaves, yes.
Look at the CSA constitution and the rebel states' declarations of secession, and slavery is the number one reason given.
>>323701095
Possibly, at this point we are getting into intent though. You could spout all day that he was provoking things - which is possible, sure. I could counter that he was afraid that giving in would generate the view of him as weak, especially early on as a first term president. And while congress might have been shifting it's feet on he matter, the northern populace as a whole were downright pissed over SC's actions, so he clearly had public support from the northern electorate in his actions.
But as far as intent goes that's up for debate I suppose. I still maintain his actions were the logical course though for anyone in his shoes regardless of intent
>>323701462
>declarations of secession
Oh boy, would ya lookey there. The "declarations of war," you said?
>>323701323
What truly ruins a thread, some shitty troll or the ten retards who take obvious bait?
>>323701343
>The South fired first
Area full of blacks didn't do nuffin, it was the whitey's that did it.
Huh.
>>323701323
everyone stop fucking falling for it
>>323690085
Ultimate General: Gettysburg
To put it into terms you can understand, suppose someone stepped into the basement you live in and declared it now belonged to them. When you run into the bathroom to hide they declare your refusal to leave what is now their basement leaves them no choice but to use force to make you leave the bathroom.
>>323701515
No. The people were for he most part on board with the South leaving the Union. They only got mad when SC attacked Sumter because Lincoln refused to remove the Union soldiers. Lincoln was part of the minority that wanted unity. Congress and the people wanted the South to go. Lincoln provoked SC to attack Sumter because he knew the people would get angry and want to fight for unity.
Any other PA bros in here love Gettysburg? I love taking day trips there once in a while, saying fuck the tour guides, and just walking around the battlefield on our own to see everything.
>>323701687
Fuck you and fuck your high horse.
>>323701881
>To put it into terms you can understand,
Make it a food analogy.
>>323702018
dont get mad because your debate has been whittled down to theories nigga. You chose this path yourself
>>323701881
>you decide to get married to your neighbor, but you both keep your own houses and properties
>she keeps her dog in you yard
>you get a divorce
>"Get your dog out of my yard."
>"Nah, when I left it there it was still our yard, so I don't have to move it."
brb, getting my shotgun
Hey guys, what's up?
>>323702275
>13 year old trying to sound urban
Fuck off back to facebook you waste of skin.
>>323702449
not you lmao
>>323702449
>shot by his own men
Poor guy. He was quite a figure too.
>"the war was fought over slavery"
>people in the North fought and died to free niggers that they didn't even like
>people in the South fought and died for the right to keep niggers that they valued much less than their own lives
This does not logically follow.
>>323703156
The war was fought over slavery, read: Economics.
>people fought and died for economic reasons.
Shocker.
>>323703431
What economic reasons were the North fighting for, then?
>>323703662
Probably just all the land and raw resources. The world was beginning industrialization at the time and needed large amounts of fossil fuels and space to make factories.
>>323703662
the reason to economically wave their dong in the souths face and lord it over them for the next 200 years, duh
>>323687260
>play as officer
>get revolver and cavalry sword
>can command artillery
>charge, retreat, flank commands
It wouldn't be so bad. FPSRTS hybrid.
>>323703662
Why own a nigger that you have to buy, clothe, feed, give medicine, etc, when you can own a factory and have niggers beg you for a job while they clothe, feed, house, medicate themselves? If one of your owned niggers dies you lose you investment, if one of your free niggers dies there's 3 others looking for his job. Capitalism 101, Slaves are a shit investment.
>>323703662
>where'd all our cotton go
>why are you selling all your cotton surplus to Great Britain
>you might become a threat if we let you live
>>323704232
You don't get to whip free niggers
>>323681991
>i know victoria ii has "a house divided" event but i don't know how detailed it is
It's very good. It actually felt like the most deep Civil War simulations I've ever played; nothing else I can think of tries to get at the whole picture, instead of just economy/military stuff treated in a vacuum.
Even better if you start before House Divided's recommended start. That way, you see how your actions cause the war (and you might be able to prevent it altogether, but it's hard).
OP, this is what I'd recommend. I've played a lot of Civil War games, and Vicky 2 gets it best.
>>323682612
Indeed.
>>323690085
You can play as South in Vicky 2. Get ready to lose, though, unless you really play your cards right.
protip: cotton is not king
>>323690085
>being a confederate in the attic
>>323704750
I support the south in person aswell, it doesn't come up much though because I'm not american.
>>323703156
The north fought to keep the country unified.
The south was going to leave because new terrirtories were being admitted that were anti-slavery and they saw the writing on the wall, that they would soon be outnumbered in the legislature and slavery would soon be outlawed. Rather than allow that to happen, they seceded. Abe Lincoln wasn't having any of that secession bullshit and stomped them the fuck out.
>>323703156
>>323703431
You have to look at the intents of both sides.
Why was the North fighting? Because they didn't want to lose land and resources, yes, but also because Lincoln knew that there will still many foreign stakes on North American territory and that neither country would survive if they were to remain divided. Therefore, Lincoln had the North fight to restore the union.
Why was the South fighting? I assure both of you, it was not because of slavery. Southerners had no intent of going to war when they seceded, so it's stupid to claim that they went to war to defend their right to own slaves. If they knew that the issue of slavery would lead to conflict either way, it would've been smarter to stage an open rebellion and overthrow the U.S. government. Southerners fought because saw the North as an invading force that was attacking their homeland, and they had no choice but to attempt to drive them out.
If it makes you feel better, you can claim that it was "over slavery" or "over economics" or "over states' rights" and say that it makes no difference either way, but you're over-simplifying the conflict.
>>323703156
Slavery was a root issue, but the war was not fought to free slaves. Let's put it that way. The south was scared of being outnumbered in the government by free states and feared abolition as the economy was primarily based around slavery, the war was also fueled on both sides by "fire breathers" in the south preaching radical politics and likewise some from the north, see John Browns raid further stoking fears of slave revolts and abolition. South Carolina had threatened to succeed once before in 1838 nullification crisis over something else, the north and the south were very different in many ways, slavery being one of the main ones but not the only
>>323705573
They fought because they seceded and were invaded.
they seceded because they knew that the introduction of anti-slave territories in the west would lead to the eventual abolition of slavery by the legislature.
>>323689702
No, anon. It'd be a better experience playing as a Southerner. It'd be like Halo Reach. You play as a small band of warriors killing legions of enemies, until their hungry flesh has consumed all of your ammo, and their rib cages have entrapped the last of your bayonets. One by one, your compatriots fall, but you must fight on, Johnny Reb, faw the glawry of Dixeh.
Ultimate General: Gettysburg is pretty good if you like strategy games.
>>323705387
>>323706243
You ruined Pedobear for this unfunny shit. God damn you.
>>323706460
Spurdo sparde, nigger.
>>323706460
>>323690887
>Cheap labor is untenable
I love this meme! Do you have any more? The south should've invested more in Liberia. The communists wouldn't have been able to play racial tensions off the American public and create the shithole we have today. We could be white and strong and perfect like we were always meant to be.
>>323706460
spurdo > gondola > pedobear
>>323695721
>this threads theme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N__4oE0Afs
There's a mod for Empire that adds in a Civil War campaign.
Fall of the Samurai is technically Civil War period, but the game is arcadey beyond anything and doesn't fit well with the theme that the warfare in that time period was so extremely brutal compared to war just a few decades prior.
The mod makes the battles extremely phyrric and bloody, which is how the battles should be. Most of the battles during the War were only won by a few thousand people, and when there's 20,000 men dead in one battle, that's unreal.
>>323706243
You're claiming that the reason for secession and the reason for war are mutually inclusive, when that's not the case.
Did Germany fight in WW1 because Francis Ferdinand was assassinated? Because that's where your argument leads.
>>323706717
that gif is brilliant, do you mind if I fill out a save request form for it?
>>323706960
Be my guest, friend.
>>323706863
The civil war was fought to decide the issue of whether or not states are allowed to secede. They aren't.
The only reason the southern states seceded was to protect the slave economy.
The connection between slavery and the choice to secede is unbreakable.
>you will never get to see Robert E Lee absolutely lose his fucking mind at the sight of Texans filling up a routing line
>>323707135
Thank you very much my good friend!
>>323707327
>They aren't.
Constitutionally, they are. There is no law that gives the federal government the right to quell secession by force. Abe Lincoln was a war criminal.
>The only reason the southern states seceded was to protect the slave economy.
Because they depended on it. The sudden ending of that economy led to massive economic collapse and the loss of thousands of lives, both free and enslaved. The right thing to do would have been a gradual shift from the slave economy to a more ethical one, but the Union attempted to force it because the industrialized north would not have been as harmed by it. It was clearly economic manipulation.
>>323680360
Victoria 2 with all the expansions?
>>323707571
Constitutionally, they aren't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
>gradual shift away from slavery
it would have taken decades for the legislature to fully abolish slavery. It was the south who forced the issue via secession.
>>323690085
>Vietnam game
>Playing as the losing side
>It ain't me start playing.
>>323694801
Atleast they are allowed to engage the suspect
Meanwhile in the nation without a backbone and any national pride...
>>323707983
>still doing the it ain't meme
I mean come on m8, it's the current year.
>>323707983
>vietnam war game
>play as the bad guys just because they're american
>play as the losers just because they're american
>don't get to rape and burn villagers alive like what actually happened
what the fuck?
>>323708168
This is what happens when america gets its hands on a country. Same shit with Japan, but it's just their younger generation that's fucked.
>>323687112
because no one cares about burger wars
>>323708443
Yeah, America is at fault for Germany's refugee problem.
Yeah.
>>323708632
>destabilises middle east for decades
lol where did all your refugees come from? sure wasn't me! *laughs jewishly*
>>323708763
America didn't force Germany to suckle refugee cock
>>323708632
That's correct.
You've been putting your dick in everywhere since the world war 2 pretending to be world police.
And not only that, you've been actually funding fucking religious fundamentalist when it suited your needs. Was pretty funny when that came back and bit you in the ass.
>>323709240
Pretty much did by completely destroying any nationalism in their country and killing all of their men
>>323708763
>it wasnt the elected chancellor by the german people who told the mudslimes to flood Europe while disregarding EU law in accordance to the Dublin regulations while threatening border nations like Spain and Greece with sanctions if they dont let them in
>it was the americans fault
wew lad, you should become a politician
>>323709382
Well america did sort of root out all the nationalism in their country and install a cuck government
>>323709365
>>323709502
>>323709729
I'd rather be a fucking commie than a cultural marxist like the nigger that rules america
>>323707327
I will agree to disagree. I personally think that there is a distinction between "the war is because of secession" and "the secession is because of slavery" that makes "the war is because of slavery" an illegitimate claim, and obviously you believe otherwise.
