what does /v/ think about these 2 gems
>>323431496
Along with Quake Wars they represent the end of an era. After them Id was no longer Id. It makes me sad to see their corpse still paraded around by Zenimax with no understanding on their part of what made Id great.
At least Epic has come to their senses with the new Unreal Engine and the latest UT.
>>323431757
At least Raven and Id died at their peak.
I thought Id was pronounced Eye-Dee
Why not another arena game? Fuck.
>>323432129
I just wish they had been allowed to really die. It sucks to see them owned by a company that is actively hostile to everything that Id used to stand for.
They went from
>PC First
>OpenGL
>Native support on all three major PC platforms
>Open source old engines for continued long term maintenance
To
>Console first
>DirectX
>Windows-only
>No code releases ever
>>323431496
D3= shit tech demo.
Q4= what D3 should have been like
>>323431496
Didn't like Doom 3. Due to focus on graphics they had to design tight and dark levels, and design game around those limitations. Shotgun is no fun if effective only withing melee range. Everything is dark and your view for most part doesn't reach past 5 meters. Rifle is one of most unexciting AR in first person shooters, and you'll use it plenty because shotgun is useless. Also game is just slow. I guess it was supposed to be "scary", but everything is bland and boring right after you watch second Imp spawn, and hait patiently untill it animations ends and you can finally kill it.
Quake 4 is overall similar to Doom 3, but has most design and gameplay issues fixed. Also friendly AI suprisingly isn't useless. Overall excellent game as far as linear FPS's go. My only complains are turret sections, and that they didn't go all way and provided all weapons with flashlights.
>>323432707
The arena game was an exception, have you not played the previous games?
>>323432814
True, Rage was a major dissapointment and after looking at a few videos of the Doom 4 multy, I expect it to be trash. It's also quite sad how Raven got the short end of the stick as well, nowadays they're just helping with the developement of COD.
Doom 3 was shit, and Quake 4 was great.
The new Doom looks like hot piss too.
I played Doom3's intro again and again on my shit pc as a kid because the moment shooting began it slowed down
every line is burned into my head
Doom 3 tried way too hard to be a horror game, and focused way too much on visuals, and the gameplay suffered.
Quake 4 is the superior game.
Liked them both very much. I first played Quake 4 on xbox 360 though, so it had FPS drops but was still fun
>>323433423
>on xbox 360
Played Doom 3 recently for the first time on PC and it was a solid 8/10 game, very fun gunplay that holds up even today and some creepy moments and good visuals..
The game seemed confused at what it wanted to be though, and the ending was pretty bad and felt rushed.
I really liked the dystopical industrial atmosphere on Quake 4.
Should I grab BFG or normal edition?
>>323434626
Normal.
BFG is straight up console port. It has native widescreen support, but also downgraded lighting and unskippable cutscenes, which tend to be long, slow and boring.
Also there are almost no mods/user fixes for BFG.
>>323431496
Both are garbage
>>323434626
Normal.
>>323434214
Are you playing this on some custom low setting or something? Fucking hell it wasn't that ugly.
>>323431496
>>323434984
clearly, he doesn't even have AA on
doom 3 is alright. it was unique for the time. it's more of an experience than a game, though. quake 4 is just mediocre in every regard, like every raven software game ever since the heretic/hexen series
when did people unironically start praising quake 4? it was never good and it never will be. it's doom 3 with squad mechanics, slightly more open spaces, and far less interesting environments. at least doom 3 was kind of the first of its kind; quake 4 was just a "me-too" game copying popular trends of its time
>>323431496
Both pretty good although not great representations of the series, or anything to write home about.
>>323432979
>It's also quite sad how Raven got the short end of the stick as well, nowadays they're just helping with the developement of COD
that's because they released a string of horrendously mediocre games that very few people liked. i mean, raven became notorious for mediocrity despite how much effort they put into their games. raven died for a reason
>>323434626
Normal.
The BFG is literally an uglier, literal console-port with casualization, re-ported back to PC. It also does not support D3 mods, and even is censored.
>>323435943
>when did people unironically start praising quake 4? it was never good and it never will be.
It was always a good game, but back in 2005 it was still "generic".
A generic 05 game is fucking revolutionary and oldschool now in 2016.
>>323437419
>A generic 05 game is fucking revolutionary and oldschool now in 2016.
yeah i don't think so. a generic and forgettable 2005 game is still generic and forgettable in 2016
>>323437670
Just try playing it again, mate. I bet it'll be way more enjoyable now than back then.
Q4 was way better Doom 3 than D3 itself. Plus nobody but Xbox kids "forgot" Q4. The Enemy Territory kept it relevant all the way to early 2010s in many circles.
>>323437875
>The Enemy Territory kept it relevant all the way to early 2010s in many circles.
except that's bullshit. i bought quake wars on release and the online scene was dead within a year or so. it wasn't a terribly good game at all. most people who tried it went back to battlefield, which it was basically a clone of anyway
>>323431496
DOOM3 is great, and I say that as 20+ year doomer. That said doom4 is looking to be a DOOM cod reskin, such a shame. The game was restarted like 3 times to try and avoid this, but like most modern fucking publishers bethesda had to stick their nose in it and say "CATER TO THE WIGGERS AND NORMALFAGS FIRST, THE ORIGINAL FANBASE DOESN'T MATTER. WE NEED MONEYYYYY!!!".
>>323431496
Quake 4 traumatized me at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJwyjWpP4XA
>>323438137
i'd say doom 4 is much more akin to halo 3 than cod. it actually looks almost exactly like halo 3 multiplayer in terms of movement and weapons
>>323431496
They showcase the downfall of fps games, going from fluid action to fucking slow cinematic experiences.
>>323438193
Yeah but WHY the soldiers only save Kane and not the others soldiers in the Stroggification process after him?
I mean, just like Kane the activation of the neurocyte in their system was interrupted too so they were still human.
Was Kane super special to them or something?
>>323431496
Very good games. Doom 3's visuals were revolutionary and the sense of tension as you progressed through each area was extreme. Quake 4 was just a totally solid old-school FPS with very satisfying guns and some cool twists/gimmicks to keep things interesting.
>>323431496
Unnecessary flops that added nothing to the series.
>>323438359
source on gif?
>>323440853
think its one of the Soldier of fortune games
>>323440982
It's not, I recently played SOF1 and 2 and its different, could be a mod of 1 or 2 tho
>>323440853
+1, I wanna know this too
>>323431496
Quake 4 felt pretty damn mediocre judging by the demo. Didn't like 2 either, the Strogg-shit just isn't very interesting.
Doom 3 is pretty good though. Terribly underrated shooter despite flaws. Wish they would remake it with same tone and aeshtetics, but less linear levels and better writing.
Certainly better game than Half-Life 2.
>>323440853
Vivisector: Beast Within
>>323442735
Do you play as or against the beast?
>>323443342
against and its russia-made.
>>323442735
Wow. That cover art is fucking awesome. Why can't more cover art be that good?
I hope UT4 doesn't flop.
Why aren't you guys playing the pre-alpha right now?
I'm really looking forward to Doom 4
>>323443495
>Russia-made
Why are Slavs always so good at making shooters?
>>323444564
war in Afghanistan was not so long ago.
>>323431496
Doom 3 was pretty shit and nothing like Doom.
Quake 4 was alright. Should've been much faster-paced, but it was enjoyable.
>>323444564
Is in their blood by now.
>>323444564
There's like 3 good slav-shooters out there.
>>323439151
call the cop, some smartass is raising question about a story in a id/raven shooter.
>>323435943
liked it on release, still like it now.
Games build on solid, even if generic, gameplay will be fun and playable in 10 or 20 years, unlike those built around and sold by gimmicks.
>>323445380
Im pretty sure it doesn't have to do with story at all but common sense and lazyness.
A simple dialogue line like "alright lets take Kane and we'll come for the others later, they don't seem to be in good shape as soldier Kane is".
>>323438193
Thinking of replaying this when i get an Oculus just to see this scene in VR.
>>323439151
Maybe it was some dumb shit like everyone before him was not far enough in the process so just died. and everyone after was activated, Kane was a lucky fuck and as right in the middle.
>>323444480
Because everyone here is an idfag
>>323431496
they where fun
>>323439151
Kane's stroggification was complete and he could walk out on his own, while others would require dustoff, which was impossible at the time
>>323447796
Majority would require medevac rather than dustoff.
Marines examinating dead Sergeant onboard Hannibal said process is so violent, subjects are injected full of drugs just to not die in process, which means without immediate medical treatment they will die during evacuation.
I played both when the came out and found them bland experiences. Neither did anything new or better than the predecessors whilst also removing good things about them.
