DLC shouldn't fucking exist
We're living in the worst time period
The fact they had to cut it out of the game to be sold at a separate time because a studio needs out in a year and not any less is cancer
Map packs
Microtransactions
Extra characters
And people defend this by saying?
"WELL IT AIN'T SO BAD IF ITS DONE GOOD RIGHT?"
We truly live in the worst timeline
You got the Todd joke wrong, dickhead.
Video gamers are easy to manipulate and indoctrinate since they're peer pressured, corporate worshiping children. The only way to fix the industry is to impose government regulations.
>yfw boxed expansion packs are dead
>>323423753
good
>>323423546
DLC isn't always content that was ' cut out of the game to be sold at a separate time'. Sometimes devs really make extra content months after the original game was released. The only DLC I ever bought was AotA for DaS and it was arguably better than the main game. DLC isn't necessarily bad
>>323423823
>It's fine because sometimes it's good
How is that an argument
So because 10% of the time the dlc is extra good content and 90% of the time its just shit ripped out of the game to be re-branded and sold at a later time its justified?
Fuck you
>>323424358
>How is that an argument
Because if it didn't exist we would miss out on quality content that wouldn't be possible otherwise. Did you really need help to figure that out?
>>323423689
>corporate worshiping children
That's consolefags.
>>323424519
Name 5 DLC that are so good that they justifie all the garbage.
>>323424519
And if it didn't exist
We wouldn't have
Microtransactions
Paid map packs
Paid charcter packs
Pre-order bonuses
All the EA bullshit
and most importantly
WE WOULD HAVE A GOOD BATTLEFRONT GAME
>>323424678
>Microtransactions
>Paid map packs
>Paid charcter packs
>Pre-order bonuses
Most games with that stuff are shit anyway
>Battlefront
That game is a good example. The core game is deeply flawed, a few extra maps would not have magically made the game good
>>323424519
I checked and I've bought AotA and Xcom EW, both of which were great. I haven't bought 5 DLCs but I think those show the potential that is there.
>>323425147
I also bought RDR Undead Nightmare, forgot about it because it was on console. Another good example of DLC
Good DLC is what used to be expansions. They changed the name so idiots like >>323425482 and >>323423823 will defend them.
>>323425630
Okay, now we download expansions. The OP said that downloadable content shouldn't exist
You're an idiot.
DLC is not inherently bad. It just means downloadable content.
What you used to know as "expansion packs" would be called a DLC nowadays.
It's just shitty companies nickel & diming you for all sorts of miniscule shit now.
Look at Mario Kart 8 or Blood Dragon, both excellent examples of DLC done right.
Eh I'm pretty sure dlc is preventing price hikes to cover rising costs. Like the only memorable price increase in my memory was the 50 ps2 games to current 60 prices. Not justifying prices but remeber kiddies this is a hobby. Don't get butt blasted if luxuries cost money
>>323426269
>expansion pack is the same as dlc
>Op is the idiot
>>323426269
Fuck off from this sub you idiot, DLC is always cancer and if you disagree kill yourself.
>>323423546
After a game makes its initial sales, developers and publishers have little reason to maintain the game. Keeping servers up and patching the game costs money, and you've already made all you're gonna make off this game.
What do?
I know, let's create more content for the game so people won't lose interest and we don't have to lose interest either.
DLC is not a bad idea. The only problem is that it's become the norm. Every new release is expected to have multiple DLC's and a season pass.
>>323426461
You're retarded. You don't get it.
>>323426461
Do you realise that DLC just means digitally delivered extra content and that includes everything including Horse Armor to big expansions. So every DLC isn't an expansion, but every expansion is DLC too now.
>>323426269
>>What you used to know as "expansion packs" would be called a DLC nowadays.
No, they would be called content patches. Gamers would have ripped into any company that attempted to pass off the typical DLC as an expansion pack.
>>323426807
Okay, what would you classify AotA as?
If you think these two things are the same
You shouldn't post on this board
The latter would be called DLC if it was released now.
Why don't you understand this?
>>323423546
>playing for singleplayer
Kill yourself if you think that DLC and expansions are the same thing.
>>323426932
Are you a fucking idiot?
>>323423753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399YneFTwh0
>>323424673
all fallout DLC. From 3 and Vegas
>>323427061
But that is wrong.
Remember Gothic 2 for example?
Night of the Raven was a well done expansion pack. It was an addon, it added more stuff to the main game.
If they were to release this nowadays it would just be called DLC because you can download it digitally too.
Easy as that.
DLC is not bad by definition, it's the companies way of handling it that is bad.
other than knife of dunwall/witches, gay tony, new vegas, hearts of stone, and maybe cold cold heart, what the last really good dlc you played that lasted longer than an hour?
>>323427167
>Hey I have a definition from a well known dev
>It's not me who is wrong, IT'S EVERYONE ELSE
Like actually kill yourself
Bloodborne DLC is good
Driveclub Bikes is good too.
I dont get your point, man? Seems like you just jump onto the edgy bandwagoon. And who are you quoting?
>>323427256
Yup, you're retarded
>>323427179
Burial at Sea and both of Skyrim's dlcs.
>>323427179
Mario kart 8 DLC is objectively great value
>Op: DLC is bad
>people go on and actually defend it
I think I'm too old to browse /v/ the fact that 1998 born millennial kids can now post their corporate shill opinons just proves it
Can't wait till I see the next thread of why all mobile games aren't so bad
>>323427863
This, fuck those jewcock sucking DLC kiddies.
>>323427863
Yet another anon who doesn't understand shit.
>>323427179
Most of the Borderlands series' DLC. They're the reason I still play today.
>>323423546
lets go over some facts:
-Due to inflation, games rake in almost 1/3rd of the cash they did back on the SNES.
-Games cost immensely more to develop than they did back in the 90s, due to more employees being needed.
If we want fully finished masterpiece games like back in the day, we should be prepared to spend about 129.99us at the least per game. This is exactly why season passes are made.
>YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DOWNLOAD CONTENT
Fuck off
>>323424587
Yeah, because deifying Gaben is totally not corporate worship.
>>323424673
Dead Money
Old World Blues
Lonesome Road
Point Lookout
Artorias of the Abyss
>>323428456
I bet you enjoy talking out of your ass
>>323428925
Could just have been included in the base game if you weren't such corporate dicksuckers.
DLC can be good, and it's getting better recently.
Stuff like expansion packs are great. There's no problem with them.
It's stuff like microtransactions and cut content day 1 DLC that's cancer though.
Writing off all DLC is absolutely fucking retarded though.
>>323428456
what absolute twaddle. games today are made the way movies are, millions upon millions spent on marketing to hype the shit out of mediocre yearly turds. look at fallout 4, how much money did they waste on some stupid red carpet hollywood "opening" and paying bazingirl to show up.
>>323429004
Well, no not really you fucking idiot. They're extra little adventures set outside of the Mojave, they're totally seperate from the base game and you're not missing anything without them. They are literally bonus content addons to the game.
>>323429004
You know they were made after the main game was finished, right?
>>323429004
>content made after the release, that incorporates feedback and goes for slightly different gameplay style (DM especially)
>could have been in the base game
You're just pretending, right?
>>323424678
I like cosmetic microtransactions.
They can significantly pay for games.
Case in point Path of exile.
No p2w bullshit, so if theres going to be some form of microtrans, at least follow that example
>>323429004
Actually, not it couldn't have you fucking useless sack of cum.
It was content developed AFTER the game's release, totally seperated from the base game with a connected storyline of it's own and balances made to address complaints to the base game. New Vegas's development was fucking rushed as it was with the time they were given by Bethesda. If they'd had to develop the DLCs on top of that, it would have been unplayable.
>>323429504
>I hate video games and myself
Good to know
>>323429012
Microtransactions aren't necessarily evil in single-player games. If some fucking scrub wants to spend five bucks to gain ten levels in their RPG of choice, why not?
The problems begin when developers start trying to incentivize microtransactions by making the game worse for people who play without them. Like limited lives/plays in mobile games, stacking odds against the player, or whatever.
Oh we defending micro-transactions too
Oh wait nvm its 8 am no shit the cuck europeans will be the ones who will defend this cancer
>>323429716
Sick counterpoint, fagmus.
It's a pile o' shit
>>323427179
Point Lookout was the best part of Fallout 3 and that was DLC.
Shivering Isles was probably the last expansion pack I know of that felt like a traditional expansion and that was nearly 10 years ago. I got a solid 40 hours worth of content out of SI.
>>323427179
The Missing Link
>>323427179
Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim. Old Hunters DLC.
>>323423546
that's why me3 multiplayer was the best game in the last 10 years
>>323423546
Nah, DLC is a decent concept when it isn't taken out of the base game.
Anyone that thinks DLC is evil and believes that should never have to pay money for post launch support is a fucking retard with 0 business sense.
Businesses don't live on kindness and giving free shit retard.
>>323431814
Get.
The fuck.
Out, you shill.
>>323432253
Okay, live in your fantasy world where businesses can sell their games and post launch content for free and make enough of a profit to fund an entirely new game without going under.
This shit doesn't work if you aren't Valve, because if anyone else tries to open up a digital store/DRM platform everyone shits on them for doing it.
Grow up manchild.
>>323432376
I work in gaming.
I know that they can.
And I KNOW you're a shill. And a despicable human being.
>>323432376
Video games are the easiest to be made then at any other time
Dev costs are the smallest they have ever been
and some retard with enough coding experience can make some shit in unity
Guys be nice please
>>323432556
>I work in gaming.
>I know that they can.
Lesser known companies can't.
Bigger companies shouldn't just because they have more money you dumb Berniecuck.
Your Gibsmedat mentality is why no one can respect you.
>>323432595
>>323432580
>Dev costs are the smallest they have ever been
That's not possible considering the graphical improvements in gaming alone dude.
Don't pull shit out of your ass like that.
>>323432746
>I don't anything about money or gaming engines
/thread
>>323432873
>8-bit games and tetris costed more to develop than Fallout 4.
>>323432651
What this guy >>323432580 said is true.
>>323432948
why are you so fucking stupid?
>>323432985
>If I keep posting "Bait" images I'm right.
It's okay, anyone that isn't delusional knows you're full of shit anyway.
>>323433073
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
Seems a lot of these are rather recent bud.
>>323433103
Somewhat, yes.
It's just that you're so overwhelmingly in the wrong, shill.
It's ok though, it's just your job. I get it. Let's be friends.
>>323433232
36 vs 14
So you can't count numbers too?
I'm surprised you even know how to type a coherent sentence
>>323423546
>WELL IT AIN'T SO BAD IF ITS DONE GOOD RIGHT?"
Well yeah
If done well it's just expansions, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting more quality content for games you like
>>323433250
>Feels the need to tell us you work for the game industry
>Knows fuck all about dev costs
>Actually thinks companies should seek lesser profits because he's entitled to post launch content
>>323428958
The street fighter 2 one is taking arcade cabinet production into count, which is pretty much 95% of the cost. Mario world, Super mario bros, and sonic respectively have the SNES, NES, and Genesis SYSTEMS bundled with them. You fat fucking dumb-ass degenerate fuck.
>but muh FF7
FF7's production cost and marketing were revolutionary for the time, that doesn't fucking count.
>>323433338
25/39 is passed 2010.
You're wrong and I'm right.
Keep insulting me if it makes the facts go away
>>323433446
>ignoring the other 32
You can't keep moving the goal posts this hard
>>323433381
>>323423546
>pirate game
>two weeks later
>ripped to half the GB + all DLC version
>partial leeching not allowed
Yeah, I hate DLC too.
>>323433472
WHAT?
DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO COUNT
THERE ARE 37 THAT WERE MADE BEFORE 2000
FUCK IM SO MAD THAT I HAVE TO REPLY
>>323433515
Post them then you dense retard.
Posting partial proof and complaining we didn't cite it all is your fucking fault.
Retards everywhere holy shit.
>>323429081
Yes, you need to market something in order to sell it. I don't see what the problem is with this.
>but it should be 80% or more development cost.
Shenmue 1&2 sales say hello.
>>323433652
>So mad he can't even read the list properly.
Holy shit
>I want free shit because I'm pro consumer
>Companies wanting money is anti consumer and literally fucking consumers in the ass.
>None of this is due to my lack of funds
>>323433658
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Most_expensive_video_games
Start counting bitch
>>323433958
>http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Most_expensive_video_games
>Wikipedia isn't a valid source
>This is
>Inflation
Hahahahahahahaha.
You're just a child screaming for free shit.
>That feel when if videogames went up in price now all the poorfaggots would revolt and say it's never been that high before and everyone is jews despite the fact that all started gaming on the 360
>>323433958
all of the cartridge games take manufacturing costs into account, which isn't an issue in this day and age with cheap discs and cases. Fucking hell, Just stop.
>>323433721
I hate you so fucking much it's not even funny
>>323434274
SHUT UP
I DESERVE FREE DLC
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
SHILLS AND DEFENDING BUSINESSES
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT MONEY?!
I WANT MONEY BUT I'M SPECIAL SO IT'S OKAY
>>323434305
>Disregards my list completely because it blows him the fuck out
>Counts from the list from the hokey site
>"Inflation"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why aren't we all feeling the Bern in this thread?
We DESERVE free DLC right?
Why should companies strive to make money!
We should have the government limit profits quarterly! That would mean more money for us!
>>323434808
The argument isn't about having free or not dlc it's about whether paying for 15 dollars for content that was cut from the game is justified
Calm down
>>323423546
>2016
>using the "all DLC is cut content" meme
>>323435017
My very first post was that DLC is decent as long as it isn't cut from the game and a bunch of mega faggots decided to take offense because mommy doesn't let them charge her credit card more than once a year, which ensued in the shitposting above where they got BTFO so hard they just stopped embarassing themselves.
>>323435149
Stop meme spouting
Is it that hard for you to form a coherent argument for it without having to put a buzzword every 5 words?
>>323435259
I'm basically saying I agree with you and the reason I'm shitposting is to shame the lesser minds that believe devs should work on post launch content for free.
Happy?
Maybe you should read a lingo book before you come here or something you newfuck.
>>323435361
>im shitposting
>Everyone else has a lesser mind
All of these arguments currently is just the costs for "AAA" games. The gaming equivalent of blockbusters-- empty, meaningless action and romance flicks designed to grab money.
It's actually easier for a single person or a small group of people to develop games these days because of the various tools around; one doesn't even need to program their own game engine,
This thread is a fucking shitshow but DLC is fine. If you don't like it don't buy it.
Then you get to sit in your castle of superiority yelling about what you deserve while other people enjoy post launch content
>>323435489
>Shitposting instantly disqualifies any academic or intellectual merits you may have.
Aight.
Also AAA games are straight better than most one man games made.
You could cite Undertale, Lisa and other successes but for each one I can name 100 that are hot fucking garbage and have never been touched by human hands.
AAA is better quality than anything else we got whether you want to believe so or not.
You throw enough money and talent into an idea and it can work.
>>323427114
>Mothership Zeta
>good
>>323435976
Never played Zeta but there's no way it was worse than Anchorage, never have I actually been bothered by linear gameplay in vidya before that DLC.
>We aren't allowed to have it done right
Your basically saying we aren't allowed to have extra content when the base game is already filled with content
I rather like how Crusader Kings 2 does its DLC's.
At first it was released as a full game where you, as the title would suggest, were a christian noble who interacted with other christians and could go on crusades.
It was perfectly complete package. It did everything it set out to do.
Then over time the game was expanded with DLC's where each DLC upgraded base game with smth for free.
Now it has 120€ of DLC and the base game which costs about 30€ while the base game is actually worth more than that price.
>>323435958
That's another argument
Lets take another example?
The original Doom was developed by something like 15 people with an even smaller core team. The entire engine was coded almost single-handedly by one person. Today id Software employs 200+ people and their latest game Rage was made by 60 core developers, basically to create a modern-day equivalent of Doom.
It's more of people getting mismanaged that comes with these huge development costs, so in order to cover their bullshit they have to release things like DLC's, etc
So when you say "DLC's are fine" you're basically giving these mismanaged dev's a free pass
I just want you to see both sides of the argument
>>323436215
That followed an expansion model rather than a current year DLC model
Just saying
>>323424673
Rock Band
Mario Kart 8
...Fuck, that's all I've ever bought.
>>323436338
Now we're delving into an economic argument here.
It could, say, be more efficient to have 10 guys on a project, but putting 30 there gives more jobs, and less stress to everyone else in the project.
Also if the game and the DLC aren't up to snuff people will simply not buy it.
You can't possibly tell me that games that sell well are bad, you could even cite CoD, but god damn if you're going to try to convince me CoD tricked the same people into buying it every year, that's be foolhearty.
>>323436076
Oh god it's far worse than Anchorage.
>linear as fuck
>main npc is annoying clueless child
>side characters are bland as fuck
>everything is one giant dungeon with a spaceship theme
>all the new armor is worn by the shitty npcs
>missable collectables everywhere
>you beat it all you get is junk each week
>>323436601
>Oh god it's far worse than Anchorage.
O-ohhh...
That's a new low then, glad I dodged that bullet.
>>323436076
Believe it or not, Anchorage is a masterpiece when compared to Motherfucker Zeta. Zeta has no variety in it, it's just a horribly long spaceship dungeon with bland energy weapons, ayy lmaos and similar corridors for hours and hours.
I've never felt so fucking angry over any DLC.
>>323436576
I worked as a tester for a while and you'll be surprised at the amount of useless people that work at a single task
And most of the time the only way to mitigate those costs is to "cut and paste" content for a later time
If you don't believe that happens more often then you're just being delusional
>>323436919
>beat anchorage
>open up locked door with loot
>walk out
>everyone randomly opens fire on each other
>random act of unannounced betrayal occurs in story point
>survivor explains that black guy suddenly executed a mutiny in the group after he was dead
What the fuck was the point of that? Did they just think everything was going too smoothly in the plot so they hamfisted a drama point?
>>323437265
>and you'll be surprised at the amount of useless people that work at a single task
That's every job anon.
>And most of the time the only way to mitigate those costs is to "cut and paste" content for a later time
Which is 100% fine if the average person playing can't discern that.
>If you don't believe that happens more often then you're just being delusional
I don't know a single thing about game design, and I never claimed to, I just cited costs.
However, as stated before, if they can cut costs in such ways like Todd Howards infamous "Train head" than it's 100% fine.
>>323437339
>play anchorage
>see chinese general with cool as fuck armor
>can't get armor because simulation
>glitch exists to get it
>glitch was patched early on
>console version
>>323423689
>government regulations
Have fun getting all your games taken away, faggot. Give them an inch and they'll forcibly take a fucking interstate highway's worth of miles.
>>323426473
The baby gonna cry?
>>323423546
>We're living in the worst time period
>We truly live in the worst timeline
Settle down, sperg. They're still videogames.
