Is /v/ ready for Demon Hunter class?
Not particularly. Can't say I'm a fan of yet another leather class either.
I'm more ready for outlaw spec than anything.
>>323373089
ded game.
>>323373089
They can't manage to balance the classes they have I don't see adding another helping the situation.
10 years late
nah but I'm ready for the shaman overhaul
>>323373089
I've heard it sucks hairy asshole; so no - plus I don't like the aesthetic
I'll still be buying it like a massive drone either way
I feel like Demon Hunters will be the new class that all the shitters migrate too just how it was with Death Knights. Something in the name just seems like it would attract all the r tards. I also think people have a harder time learning a character that is already half way leveled, or in this case 90% already leveled.
I'm honestly pretty hyped about trying out the new survival spec for hunter. I'll probably stick to maining my warrior or paladin though.
>>323373761
>>323374068
>>323374187
>>323374269
>>323374343
>>323374502
Fuck off back to /xivg/ retards
>>323373089
That's WoW? It looks worse than it did a couple years ago, what happened?
>>323373089
>Wanting to play a Elven only deadweight class
>Wanting to play as shittier Deathknight
>>323374596
>crying like a faggot about negative posts in a WoW thread on /v/
Don't DPS demon specs have a literal 2 button rotation?
>>323374913
Sounds like monks.
I'm ready for the female ones with those abs.
>>323374913
In WoTLK I could macro all my Ret pally skills to one button and do 95% of my optimal DPS rotation by just mashing it.
>>323373089
They seem really boring to play from alpha videos on youtube.
>>323374913
Wouldn't be that surprising even Blizzard has no fucking idea how new classes work till months after they release them, just look at the changes to DKs and Monks a few months after they came out.
>love Warcraft lore
>stopped playing WoW near the end of Wrath
>tried to get back into it in Warlords
>jesusfuckingshit
>excited about seeing Alleria and Turalyon come back, but I ain't playing that shit again
Warcraft 4 when bros?
>>323375095
>jab
>tigers palm
>blackout
>rising sun
>fists of fury
>tigerseye
hm
>>323375952
Never hopefully. Warcraft RTS is the only Blizzard series I can continue to remember fondly.
>>323373089
Are the paint on abs mandatory?
>>323373089
no because the whole thing is going to suck.
>>323374707
it's a shitty resolution picture of a youtube video you retard
>>323374913
Every talent tree either has a passive that enhances certain abilities you already have, or introduces completely new (in some classes case, old favorites) abilities which do add a little more to the rotation than the base most.
Not only that, but Blizz is still designing the damned classes. We still know fuck all about Vengeance, for example. We still don't know how Shamans are being handled.
Really wish retards would stop spewing dumb shit like this every time. 10/10 bait.
>>323375952
Warlords is the worst expansion to date and this is coming from someone that still plays.
>>323377338
Warlords makes Cataclysm look cohesive and well thought-out.
>>323373089
more excited for demonology warlock revamp. I'll finally get 1 mirrion imps
>>323377521
Cataclysm is easily the second worst expansion.But you're right
why do you have to become a demon to hunt demons
>>323376338
No its one of the skin options. Theres also a scaley skin one.
>>323378079
Because you become immortal when you reach ~50% demon in Warcraft
>yfw its gonna be DK balance for DH's during launch and we get to relive the horror that was season 5 of Arena and BG's
Then again, PvP balance has most of the time been shit.
>>323373089
So is the quest for the ultimate weapon for each spec different?
Frost dks reforge the shards of FROSTMOURNE while unholy just steals some old demon axe
>>323378079
WoW is loaded with bizarre concepts that are alien to the rest of the universe in impactful ways.
Things like the Guardian of Tirisfal
Demon Hunters
Elune the Moon Goddess and other stuff that just comes from a different style of thought than other stuff in warcraft.
>>323376164
>You will never be a tiny human weakling being dominated by a muscular green Dindu.
>>323375952
>Alleria and Turalyon come back, but I ain't playing that shit again
Don't bother then. Turalyon is a 5-man dungeon boss and gets indoctrinated by the legion.
Alleria is taken out of commission and hunters will be wielding the windrunner's legacy bow for the duration of the expansion.
>>323373089
I'm still a disgruntled warlock who is still butthurt over the loss of Metamorphosis.
>>323380432
But you get to be necromancers now with your onslaught of demons.
>>323379660
source?
>>323375952
as if Blizzard will ever shit out a good game again, they're done for people that don't buy crap, pandering to idiots and casuals
>>323380539
Yes, but it feels so goddamn sloppy to have an ability like this for like 7-8 years, and it's just completely stripped away to be sold as a class basically. For christ's sake they even have warlocks in-universe with Metamorphosis now. Oh no though, fuck all that shit and sweep it under the rug.
I still don't acknowledge monks as a real class. While I think DH's too seem cool (I'm a sucker for mobility) I'm steering clear of them for the first few months, because you know exactly why.
>>323380796
You sound more ass hurt than shamans losing all their stone skin and whatever totems back in CATA.
>>323374068
>literally the most popular MMO in the world
>hurr ded gaem
can you at least attempt to make your bait appealing
Just got back into WoW, in the process of trying to get my old main (pic related) from Cata up to level cap. I heard demo locks are gonna get fucked, what's /v/s verdict on it?
>>323380874
My main is a monk and even I feel the same way about them.
There's just something weird about them in comparison to all the other classes but I can't quite figure out what it is.
>>323381751
warlocks get a staff that lets out souls and they can dps the souls to get a buff, I think thats affliction and you should totally go affliction.
Or stay demo and play with the laser skull
>>323381367
It's not my fault people have shit tastes and can't escape a game that genuinely depresses them.
>>323381751
>I heard demo locks are gonna get fucked
In world of warcraft terms this basically means doing one or two percent less damage than everyone else.
No spec will ever not be viable since everything has been homogenized to all hell.
>>323381751
>demo locks are gonna get fucked
If you never liked demonology the way it was, maybe. I did at least, but apparently i'm in the fucking minority and have to deal with my casual-ass friends who've played a warlock maybe once in their lives lauding the shit out of it.
Do Maeiv and Illidan finally fuck in this expansion.
>>323382165
rip demon leap
>>323381751
basically they took out metamorphosis since demon hunters are getting it. Instead, they summon different types of demons and also spawn a million imps. I have no idea why people think this is bad.
>>323381905
>>323382094
>>323382165
Alright, cheers. I guess I'll stick with demo, I've still got my other spec free if I need to change over. I'm terribly indecisive though, hence why I've never chosen between Affliction and Destruction
>>323381751
Fuck I wanna race change my undead warlock but that shit is $25.
So apparently the elements are pissed at Thrall for cheating in his duel against Garrosh and that's the reason we get Doomhammer.
>>323382725
Yeah the prices for those things are bullshit.
I was thinking of changing my hunter into a gnome when legion comes out but fuck me faction changes are expensive
>>323382165
It was alright and warlocks have always been able to pull high numbers by the end of the xpac and have so much fun utility.
Blizzard even gave locks dark apotheosis for awhile and let them soak or some shit remember? Also it was weird for them to have to stand in melee range to use that breath spell for awhile.
Personally I feel like aside from demonic leap they should keep a lot of the metamorphosis abilities and give them another movement spell and call it like felfire bolt or some shit and have a green lightning bolt come down and hit them and teleport them so many yards, aka a cooler blink cause fuck mages
>>323373089
I'll probably give them a chance, but if it's anything like Warlords turned out I won't be subscribed longer than a month. I'm probably going to try and weasel my way into getting a copy of the expansion for as low a price as possible as well. Higher price for less content is fucking unacceptable.
>>323382612
>I have no idea why people think this is bad
It's bad because of how fucking sloppy it was done. Like I said earlier, metamorphosis was with locks for something like 7-8 years and just gets scrapped completely. They could have conjured up some new lore-friendly metamorphosis ability name or some shit and kept with adding new shit to Demonology, cause being honest, it was always half-baked.
"b-but just play a demon hunter then!"
Demon hunters aren't casters
>>323373089
Lol...
Blizzard will never make another decent game again. Activision is pulling the string no matter how much Blizz drones want to stomp their feet and say their different companies.
I hope they don't make Warcraft 4 in the same way I hope EA never decides to make a KOTOR 3. Theyl'l just end up shitting in it. They don't make video games anymore man, they just make hype and micro transaction platforms.
Blizzard don't even bother with content patches anymore, just expos. Why bother wasting dev time on free content patches when you can just shit out the next yearly expo and get paid for it?
You don't even need a plot or villains or anything. There's no creative writers. Just recycle some shit and release it, do some alternate timeline backflips if you need to just meet the holiday release window.
When Activision Blizzard took over they replaced most of the nerdy game developers at the executive level with execs from buiscuit manufacturing companies and laundry detergent companies. These people are just concerned with a yearly mass-produced product. The problem is they haven't figured out that good game dev is like an artwork. It's not like da vinci put out a yearly Mona Lisa.
>>323381367
WoW has less than 1m western subs current, the other 4m are Chinese pay-by-hour subs. It's barely hanging on for "most popular MMO in the world"
>>323382725That's exactly what I did anonorclock master race
>Model overhauls
>Orcs couldn't have brown or black skin, or choose a model where they stand straight as males or hunch over as females
>Dwarves couldn't be Dark Irons
>High Elves STILL AREN'T A THING ANYWHERE
It's a goddamn shame just how badly they screwed all of that up.
>>323383006
Sometimes I think about faction changing but realize my horde and alliance characters are on servers that favor their faction in numbers.
So If I really wanted to faction change I would have to server transfer as well. It was a stupid decision I made back during cataclysm and my home server icecrown was boring me.
>>323383145
hate to say it, but you're right. i just looked at Blizzards list of games on wikipedia, and there was a drop in quality after 2008.
>>323383361
post moar rough succubus sexings
>>323376051
>not macroing FoF to tigerseye for even smaller rotation
>>323373089
no.
Started in vanilla stopped in cata befor panda shit, will never go back.
>>323373089
Everyone who's played one in the alpha says they're really fun to play, looking forward to it.
>both elf races have the ability to become glowing, tattooed, horned half demon's with blindfolded eyes and no shirts
Amazing. Truly Shakespearean.
>>323383481
this, familia
would like to see these in the game someday
>>323373089
I have not gotten the wow itch for a while now so maybe its gone for good
>>323383712
same here. i stopped early on in Cata. haven't played since.
>>323373089
Yeah, ima make a cutiepie female NE Demon Hunter.
Going to xmog her armor into something with the maximum amount of skin so something like Ceremonial Leather Garb set you can make easy with leather working.
Goes well with black hair and the neat thing is that Demon Hunter Nightelfs in particular can have black hair.
I'm thinking the short horns with short hair and the normal Caucasian looking skin tone also exclusive to that class of night elf that'll go well with black tattoos and one of the non-see though blindfolds.
I like to make a character less flashy than others when so many others are incredibly flashy.
For a name I'll just use something in latin.
You know, I subbed for a month in december after not having played WoD since launch, and I have to say the game was pretty alright. Gearing up through mythic dungeons was pretty chill, if a bit too rng based. I just wish that I actually had some friends to raid with so I didnt have to join random normal HFC pugs which stops after teron gorefiend because people are still so suprisingly shit at this fucking game.
The problem with WoW is that its designed to basically only be fun/played whenever a patch comes out for a month or two (like Diablo and maybe HotS and SC2), depending on how much you wanna raid what is current shit. If I had a fun group to raid with I would probably sub for another month to at least get the moose, since HFC is a pretty fun raid and you can actually do SOME stuff now outside of raiding. Cant say anything about pvp though.
>>323383092
But Demon Hunters have had Metamorphosis for 13 years
>>323383481
>wanting to be a nigger
y tho
>>323384639
It's a matter of principle. There's no reason besides laziness that they can't exist at this point.
>>323385126
I'm curious why there haven't been any kind of additions to the character customization. Not even shit like hairstyles since the barbershop was added.
>>323385126
>Blizzard
>principles
I don't know what you were expecting.
>>323375095
lmao what, ww monk is probably the highest skill floor dps spec in the game
>>323377869
>guys lets delete demonology from the game because it's too complicated
>except we'll turn shadow priests into what demo was
>then turn demonology into BM
>people will love it!
>>323385598
They lack the resources
>>323386218
Beastmaster wasn't even that good though, you only had one pet at a time except for a single CD. Should have let you slot a bunch of different pets to different skills, and each time that skill was used a different pet popped out to do it.
>>323377945
talk for yourself pve nab
>ITT: backpedaling PvE clickers
>>323373089
I am not.
I dont want to play one of these.
I think the Horde suffered enough from Bloodelf Deathknight edgelord faggots.
I like to play melee DPS and now I will have to compete with a fuckzillion demon hunters because they sure as fuck wont play tank.
I usually play Monk/Warrior. Even if I got into things with the Monk it would suck because I'd roll against those faggots all the time.
I also considered a rogue because of Outlaw which looks great but again, the Demon Hunters will fuck it all up.
This shit will most likely force me into going ranged DPS.
Sadly there is only one rangeDPS/Tank combo, and fuck going Moonkin.
>>323386339
Clearly. Couldn't even be assed to make mounts for rep rewards, just reskin the wolf and hippo.
>>323386384
To be clear, I'm salty as fuck and think that the warlock changes are retarded.
>>323386573
>monk
>legion
Bad idea, all three specs are gutted.
>>323386793
Give it a rest.
>>323386871
What?
>>323386927
You heard me.
All this bitching about class design and balance is absolutely pointless at this point.
>>323387174
Why? If nobody ever complains it's even less likely that Blizzard will improve things.
>summon demons to Azeroth
>destroy well of eternity
>sell souls to the Burning Legion and become junior demons
>kidnap the Naaru
Have the Elves ever done anything that didn't end up fucking over everyone?
>>323383481
>tfw playable Ogres never even though some are already officially members of the Horde
>>323386339
>Biggest WoW team ever!
>Biggest WoW team ever!!
>Biggest WoW team ever!!!
Blizzard really loves to remind us about that.
Yet WoD had the least content of any expansion to date.
>>323387664
>complaining on 4chan will make blizzard change things
>laughingwhores.jpg
>>323387876
>tfw playable High Elves never even though all of them are already officially members of the Alliance
>>323383481
>>323387876
>tfw Furbolgs would have been cool as fuck instead of Pandaren
>there are even a few asshole tribes so they could ally with the Horde too
>>323388027
That's not what I said.
>>323388031
Aren't High elves pretty much a rarity now?
>>323388194
but it's what you are doing
>>323387876
>Introduce Ogres as a second neutral race
>Justify is by making all playable Ogres have two heads
>one want to join the Alliance
>The other want to join the horde
>>323388194
That is what you're implying, fag.
>>323388324
Sure, but that doesn't invalidate the point.
>>323388390
>Justify is by making all playable Ogres have two heads
Meh. I'd rather keep two headed ogres exclusive to caster classes, and one headed to everything else.
>>323388285
I have no idea what their numbers are supposed to be but blood elves were supposed to be few in number as well but apparently there's a fucking shitload of them now.
Also the blood elves were all supposed to be following Kael but that apparently got ret-conned in BC
>>323383657
There is no way that is not a titanic dps loss.
>>323388285
So are blood elves lorewise
>>323387664
Yeah complaining on /v/ will convince blizz to make it all great.
Take it to the alpha and beta forums and maybe twitter.
As it stands now we can barely tell how things will actually be. Beta is when things are mostly finalized.
>>323388031
>wanting blood elves with blue eyes
>when you could have shit like nagas, ethereals, arrakoas, ogres, etc...
>Beta is coming in 2015
>2016
>Still no Beta
Blizzard lied.It is funny when im on MMOC and get called all sorts of names for being a pessimist when I really love WoW and Blizzard but at this point I won't stand for a single lie or inaccuracy because of WoD
>>323388459
so you know that bitching about it on 4chan won't change anything
but you do it anyway
I'm an S class hero I can handle some demon level monster, mom.
>>323388675
Naga would be rad but no idea how they would handle mount riding and pants/boots when they have no legs
Warglaives are stupid. You have a greater chance of stabbing yourself than ever hitting anything around you.
>>323388692
But Beta has been out for a while now, servers were shut down for the holidays.
Where the fuck have you been?
>>323388692
Blizzard said Alpha was coming in 2015, and it did.
>>323388675
Maybe I want to play an elf without having to be a forest hugging hippy race or be forced to play horde and live in a shitty hut like some nigger in africa.
What does WoW do right? Despite its declining population, it is still enormous and probably the most populated MMO.
What is it about the game that people like so much? Or perhaps its simply that its so popular, people are drawn to it?
>>323388692
I see a lot of people talking shit about Blizzard on MMOC but I guess there are still diehard fans.
At least the Scrolls of Lore folks realize that Blizzard's writing has become completely retarded.
>>323388918
>Highborne turned into Sea Snake People by an Old God
>Bent on retaking the surface from the surface dwellers
The shit they'd have to pull out of their ass to justify playable Naga.
>>323388692
Most people's vacations literally ended this week you impatient faggot.
If the beta isn't back up after two weeks from now, then you can complain.
>>323388918
They could always make some sort of half-naga race with legs. They could be highbornes who didn't completely mutate into nagas and retained some of their old humanoid characteristics.
>>323389016
No Alpha has been out for a while.
>>323389057
No they said Beta buddy. They said beta in all the interviews, they said beta at Gamescom, they said beta at Blizzcon. They lied.
>>323389119
Raiding, particularly Mythic, is fucking fantastic, easily the best on the market. It generally manages to make classes feel good to play, and unlike the rest of the clones, it allows for extensive modification of its UI with third party addons, which is surprisingly important.
Mythic Kromok is one of my favorite boss fights ever.
>>323389119
I like it because I've invested an assload of time into the game and am pretty familiar with everything.
It just doesn't feel fun starting in a new mmo from scratch knowing fuck all about where everything is and what you're supposed to do anymore.
>>323389119
The popularity for one and also the fact that some people invested a lot of time into their characters.
>>323389016
thats still alpha.
>>323389349
Could you expand on classes feeling good to play? What kind of feelings are you looking for? Is it satisfaction in the damage or effect on the battlefield that classes have? Or is it the ease of use? The animations?
>>323389119
Still got the best raids and its really well polished at this point, and always was compared to other mmos.
Other MMOs still shit the bed when it comes to basic stuff like menus, interfaces, movement and chat features even.
>>323374068
*dying game
>>323389270
Just because you want to call it Alpha doesn't make you right.
>>323389508
Mage, particularly Arcane and Fire is great. I've never found anything in an MMO as satisfying as getting a massive 60k Ignite on Xhul'horac then spreading it to an entire pack of adds.
Marks Hunters are great too, particularly with 4set T18, nothing else feels remotely as mobile as that, in any MMO i've played.
Also Enhancement shamans are in a really good spot now, fire and lightning everywhere.
Class design is a bit hit or miss though, some specs, like Blood, feel like utter garbage right now.
>>323387898
I don't think expanding the team means shit gets done faster.
>>323389741
Blizzard implied that a more widespread beta would be available in 2015. That didn't happen. All we got was a few high end/prominent players getting a couple of dungeon previews.
>>323381813
Probably that (and I can only speak from the one spec I've played) Brewmasters seem to have a shitton of abilities but a relatively simple rotation.
I could be wrong though as I've never played one heavily at end-game, but it feels like I have actives/CD and the like than I do as Blood DK or Prot warrior.
>>323373089
probably going to stick to healing the hordes of demon hunters as they overpopulate the game.
>>323390048
Monks generally push more buttons than all other tanks and they do it faster.
All other tanks are simpler too. Bear is like the simplest.
Death Knights got the most defensive CDs though I think.
>>323389119
It has pretty girls.
>>323375952
What do you think?
>>323389851
>Class design is a bit hit or miss though, some specs, like Blood, feel like utter garbage right now.
The design of blood is great it has a unique tanking space and lead the way on active mitigation, it's implementation right now is ass but it's looking hot in legion.
>>323390048
That's what the spec was always supposed to be, less passive mitigation than any other tank (with the exception of BRF obviously) but a tonne of situational actives. It's what made the class fun for me.
>>323385998
What is this meme? I see it all the time. No it fucking isn't.
>>323390016
it's essentially an expanded FaF alpha but with streamers because streamers = free marketing
by restricting them to only the stuff that is basicly done they don't risk people throw tantrums about shit that is still in alpha
(see: everyone going babyrage because the first alpha draft of their class isn't exactly what they wanted)
>>323389851
>>323389565
>>323389375
>>323389371
If WoW were to go F2P, how would this impact your view on the game? No pay2win items, but a gemstore similar to Gw2 where it sells items such as convenience or looks?
Also like Gw2, its DLC would still require payment.
Finally, what if it had a optional sub play that offered expacs while you had the sub up and some buffs like more exp and currency items? They wouldn't change the current rates (nerf them).
>>323389254
>They could always make some sort of half-naga race with legs
Might as well just make Dragonkin playable instead
>>323377869
You already get wan mirrion imps with the warlock trinket.
>>323390536
fuck everything about optional subscriptions
>>323390483
As far as I know the gap between the average windwalker and the top 10 in the world is larger than any other dps spec. What spec would you say is the most difficult to play optimally?
>>323383204
>WoW has less than 1m western subs current
[citation needed]
>>323390536
WoW got the token system and thats plenty already.
I dont want more of this shiet.
I also think that they should put cash shop mounts and services like character transfers behind the token system.
I want to be able to access everything by simply playing the game.
>>323390483
What dps spec has the highest skill floor then?
I
agree WW isn't that hard it's mostly just right now it has old school maintaining self buffs for no reason.
>>323390727
Why would it be so fucking huge? It's literally just keeping two buffs up and using a no cooldown stacking buff.
>>323373089
More self flagellation anon?
Haven't you spent enough time with the other basement dwelling aspergers victims?
Could you please take a bath this week? 10GBP and tendies for dinner if you do!
>>323390795
Well, Blizzard isn't reporting sub numbers anymore. So for all we know it's well below 1m now.
>>323390916
Because the spec is all about maximising the value of short duration procs, if you just use everything on cooldown you'll get by perfectly fine but the best monks in the world don't play like that and it shows.
>stuck on a dead RP realm after all your friends have moved or quit
>Always added characters on friendslist, not realid or battletag
>Dying guild, empty cities
Fucking kill me.
>>323390360
>That's what the spec was always supposed to be,
I'm not arguing that - I wish that was how Prot warrior still was, like in WotLK where you basically just looked like a fucker playing a piano because you had to hit so many fucking buttons. I definitely miss that.
>>323391124
are you me? fuck moonguard
>playing retail WoW when nolstarius is free
why?
>>323391212
You think moonguard is bad? Try earthen ring.
I ran around Moonguard yesterday and there were a million mother fuckers running around.
ER is literally dead. I miss 2010.
>>323389508
Animations in wow are shit right now, (especially with multistrike, holyshit it makes your character fucking seizure). But they're re-doing them in legion and they look a lot better.
I think it's just the most polished mmo on the market. Raiding is actually balanced well, every class has at least 1 viable spec (though most have 2 with some having all of them).
>>323389851
What's wrong with blood? It has true active mitigation mechanics and a million cooldowns. The only thing I hate about it is the lack of mobility in PvE but that's a DK problem as a whole.
I mean I'm dps mainly, but I love playing Blood because it's OP in 5 mans and I tanked all the CM gold runs for my guild group as it.
>>323386793
>all three specs are gutted
How? I've played Monk since MoP and the Windwalker/Mistweaver changes sound great.
>>323391336
>People complain about a year of no content in retail
>People are fine with a lifetime of no content in a worse version of vanilla WoW
>>323391436
>What's wrong with blood?
>literally impossible to spend all your resources at high gear levels
>But massive gaps where you have nothing to spend at all at low gear levels
>Only 1 good level 100 talent
>Blood Boil in general
>Scent of Blood being the garbage mechanic that it is
>>323390947
t. Anime obsessed victim
>>323391336
I can understand playing vanilla wow for nostalgia reasons for like a month or so, but it is objectively worse in every way possible.
Why the fuck would I want to play a game whose content I already completed years ago that will also never update.
I play WoW now because it occasionally gives me something new to do.
>>323391661
Nostalrius is releasing things in the same order as Blizz did in Vanilla. So there is still content coming out.
It'll probably be compeletly dead once Naxx has been out for a few years
>>323391336
>it's free
>it has 30 minute login queues
>it has 1 hour-long dungeon queues
>it has thousands of Chinese goldfarmers
>the server randomly shuts down
why?
>>323391510
Prepare for a wall.
Removal of abilities means that WW won't have enough buttons to maintain their new Combo passive, also TeB lost uniqueness and the new SEF, despite being less clunky, removes a lot of control from the player and won't be used in some fights even when it would be a DPS increase, for example if there are 3 targets alive and you want to ignore one of them.
Mistweaver goes from being one of the best raid healers in the game to being good at 5mans and absolutely nothing else. Removal of unique mechanics ie: ReM -> Uplift. The auto-casting soothing mist can be interrupted, causing nature lockout, which means every MW will need a stopcasting macro JUST for that. Ultimately nothing but a poor mans resto druid.
Brewmaster seemingly has no way to mitigate non-physical damage, change from chi to straight cooldowns removes complexity and makes the spec less interesting to play. Removing mechanics (Gift of the Ox), even though they weren't very good in the first place, just to give to Demon Hunter tanks is bad design.
>>323392461
tl;dr homogenization and oversimplification
>>323391212
Ah yes Moon Guard
>>323392158
Will the Blood Plague be a thing? Destroyed cities and all?
>>323392840
ZG is out so I don't think it happened.
>>323393083
So much for replicating vanilla
>>323391212
Moonguard is the only reason why I even bother coming back to World of Warcraft now. Even if my Friends gets me to play the game, the true reason is because that's the only server with people who even bother to do anything in the overworld.
>Vanilla World of Warcraft
>Finally do myself a Tauren Shaman
>It's the best class ever for me, a DPS who can heal and tank for the party if shit ever goes down
>Also the best Class for PvP, Alterac Valley for a whole week was the best shit.
>Burning Crusade comes
>It's still okay
>Wotlk makes it's way
>Still love the game
>Cataclysm pass
>LFD, cross-realm and everything in the line fuck up what I love about the game: Meeting people
>Find out about Moonguard at the same time
>Try to play the shitty game but it's never get me playing for more than a month or so.
>Every single expansion, it's makes my Shaman looks more and more like a shell of it's former glory than something fun
>>323391778
>literally impossible to spend all your resources at high gear levels
What talents are you taking, you're taking blood tap right? Even with shitloads of multistrike, I don't have a hard time keeping my resources spent.
You're right about the low gear level issue though, but it's not much of a problem anymore except for in challenge modes.
>blood boil in general
What do you mean?
>Scent of Blood being the garbage mechanic that it is
You're right, you can pretty much ignore scent of blood. Though it's still useful for Death strikes in between blood boil spam for AoE dps.
>Only 1 good level 100 talent
Defile is alright. Breath of Sindragosa is worth using if you want to contribute more dps. Also using BoS pretty much eliminates any possibility of resource capping.
I mean as Blood I pretty much play BoS and stack multistrike just to see how long I can keep it going on bosses. Feels pretty awesome to keep it going 30-40+ seconds. But yeah I'd hardly call that much of a tanking thing, it's more dps oriented.
Do people on RP servers have scripts for their roleplaying or what? Some of the shit those people do is whack.
>>323393434
Elemental shaman are the only kind of shaman that suck right now.
Resto/Enh are fine, enh is part of the best team comp for WoD
Also, Elemental was amazing in pandaland.
>>323393675
no they just have autism for their roleplaying
>>323393434
Death of the overworld and the individualize realm is what will kill WoW in the long run. The overuse of phasing to crossrealm any group bigger than 50 people in one spot and crossrealm already killed world PvP. It's even impacted RP - gone are the days of big server events or even smaller guild versus guild in a random zone. You just can't do that shit anymore. I liked phasing when it was the result of completing some quest chains, but now it's just used to "fix"
Everything is just a bandaid on falling realm populations because Blizzard doesn't want ot do server mergers anymore. No one feels like their realm is their community anymore. Because you barely interact with people from your own realm. There's no consequences or reward from talking to anyone or fucking someone over.
WoW's descent is because you don't actually feel like you're in a realm or the world anymore.
>>323393869
>Rename Combat Rogue into Outlaw Rogue
>Enchancement Shaman is still enhancement
Why? Enhancement hardly resembles it's classic design as a playstyle where all your abilities modified your basic auto attack into dealing high damage.
Should be primal or something now.
Daily shit on WoW thread?
Just pull down your pants and let loose /v/
>>323394770
Hi Chris, what awesome things is Thrall doing in Legion?
>>323394742
Have you even looked at the changes in Legion? The spec is being reworked so that pretty much eve y ability imbues your weapon with an element.
>>323394268
I just want more mergers, but ACTUALLY mergers, like take 4 dying servers and slap them all into the same server.
Not this bullshit "everyone gets to stay on their realm because autists would get mad if their server changed name"
Not to forget the Name-Server retardation that breaks basic game functions
>>323394861
Metzen hasn't worked on WoW for ages
>>323394987
>ages
>1½ years
>>323392461
>removal of abilities means that WW won't have enough buttons to maintain their new Combo passive
What? The artifact gives you enough buttons, goober. No attacks were removed from Windwalker.
>Mistweaver goes from one of the best raid healers in the game to being good at 5mans and absolutely nothing else
What the fuck are you basing this on? Numbers from the alpha?
>removal of unique mechanics ie: ReM -> Uplift
You mean that mechanic that Druids already had?
>the auto-casting soothing mist can be interrupted, causing nature lockout, which means every MW will need a stopcasting macro JUST for that.
Are you actually mentally ill? You already had to stop channeling it in PvP, like what even is this complaint? I don't think you understand how stupid this is so let me break it down for you.
Before:
>You press a button to channel a heal to make the majority of your on demand heals instant cast. If you get interrupted you get Nature locked and have to be mindful of it.
Now:
>When you perform a heal you begin to channel a heal that you will have to be mindful of as you cast your other heals so as to not be interrupted.
LITERALLY the same.
>Brewmaster seemingly has no way to mitigate non-physical damage.
Brewmasters aren't fully implemented in the Alpha.
>>323393434
>talking about Shamans having their "glory days" in Vanilla when its only viable raiding spec was healing
How to spot a Nost kid.
>>323373089
>demon hunter
>opprotunity to be a mail class
>finally a mail tanking class
>fucking leather again.
>>323396370
Jab and Tiger Palm were rolled into one for WW. This doesn't sound like a big deal until you consider that BoK can't be spammed anymore and RSK, as always, has a cooldown. At some point you will have to either let your Combo stacks drop or just sit doing nothing for a few seconds.
Mistweaver doesn't have any reliable raid healing spells anymore. Things like RJW are not reliable because they require very specific positioning from the entire raid. The issue with soothing mist is that you don't have control over it. Imagine healing Thok or something where there are constant interrupts, it'd be clunky as fuck.
I want to believe that it will be really fun but currently Havoc is shaping up to be a 2 button rotation with 2 cooldowns. I'm not panicking because there is still plenty of time to fix this, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried. I'm more interested in how Vengeance works as a tank spec. As long as one of the specs is fun I'll enjoy playing one while maining another class, I'll probably only main a DH if Veangance is very enjoyable because there will be way too many havoc DH.
>>323396370
Also I had to double check what you meant re: rdruids and ReM -> Uplift. Are you talking about Swiftmend because while it's kind of similar it's not really the same in practice.
>>323397123
Where the hell are you getting the info that Jab and Tiger Palm are fused? The latest pass didn't have that.
>BoK can't be spammed anymore
What? Yes it can, the cooldown changes weren't that drastic.
>RSK, as always, has a cooldown.
We've got:
Fists of Fury, Jab, Tiger Palm, Rising Sun Kick, Spinning Bird Kick, Touch of Death all as things that can maintain our combos. You bitch about shit being simplified but it's actually meaning you'll have to keep track of cooldown numbers to be able to make sure, 100%, that you'll be able to maintain your combo.
>Mistweaver doesn't have any reliable raid healing spells anymore
Their artifact gives gigantic, near infinite raid healing. Also once again you're complaining about simplification and homogenization but don't want a class to be single-target minded. Pick a battle.
>>323397670
>because while it's kind of similar it's not really the same in practice
It's literally the exact same thing. Burst heal on everybody with a HoT on them. See above: WAAAH SO MUCH HOMOGENIZATION, b-but I liked it when they had that one unique thing ripped from an existing class.
Is monk worth leveling? How are they for PvP and PvE? I really like my hunter but I want to play a class that can tank.Best race for Paladin?
>>323396979
But anon, Illidanwears mostly cloth
>>323398262
All of their specs are viable in PvE and Windwalker/Brewmaster are insane in PvP, Mistweaver is a little weird in PvP but still decent.
>>323373089
>add yet another melee class
>make a melee hunter spec
Still no new ranged classes are blizzard absolutely retarded
>>323394268
The reason blizzard won't do server merges is because they have to report it.
When they report it to their seniors, their seniors have to put it on some big stock anouncement.
Then you as a 40 something year old investor with Activision-Blizzard in your portfolio see the announcement "Activision-Blizzard to merge servers to combat failing populations" and think, OH SHIT I GOTTA SELL THAT STOCK.
Selling stock causes stock price to plummet.
Stock price plummeting means the guys that own a lot of stock (The CEO of Activision-Blizzard) lose a shit load of money from holding stock that's falling in value.
Thus the CEO of activision Blizzard basically says, if you merge servers or even hint of it. You're fired.
According to this:
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=ATVI+Major+Holders
Kottick himself holds 4.5 Million shares. Each valued at 35.71USD. That's 160 Million dollars worth.
If an announcement like that causes share price to drop from 35.71, to say $32.00, that's $16,000,000 he personally loses.
He and anyone else that has a controlling interest will do whatever it takes to keep that shareprice up. At the moment that means regurgitating expos, and mass producing content.
>>323398607
>raiding guilds mainly want less melee and more ranged because blizz loves mechanics where you have to stay spread
>blizz keeps adding melee classes
Blizz pls
>>323392734
Aw Blood of Lordaeron.
A guild ran by a hypocrite and a liar who did a good job at ruining Rp on the server as a whole as their members spread around to all sorts of different guilds to spread their bullshit.
>>323397871
He's just shitposting like all other spreading misinformation
>>323398702
Why don't they put their marketing people to work on spinning that shit?
>Blizzard announces new "Mega Servers"(TM) more players on a single server than ever before!
>>323373089
I ended my WoW run at the end of WotLK was that a wise decision? Is there any reason at all to go back? I see this threads and the nostalgia almost tempts me to download the demo.
>>323397871
From the Monk class preview on the WoW blog:
>Tiger Palm
>50 Energy, Melee Range, Instant
>Attack with the palm of your hand, dealing minor damage and generating 2 Chi.
>Tiger Palm has an 8% chance to make your next Blackout Kick cost no Chi.
Blackout kick can't be spammed because of the Combo passive.
ToD is something like a 3 minute cooldown so it's not part of the combo rotation and SCK competes with RSK and FoF for Chi, not to mention it's an AoE ability so will most likely be a loss to use single target.
I have no issue with there being healers more suited to certain jobs, however this is a complete reversal of what MW is and has been since its inception. For a company that likes to talk about 'class fantasy' a lot it really doesn't seem like Blizzard have any consistency.
Genesis, the rdruid spell that consumes all your rejuvs on the raid, was pretty much never used and didn't really fit in with the spec anyway. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Uplift existed before the current iteration of Genesis did anyway.
>>323399047
RP was always shit on MG Alliance
>>323399132
Depends on what you played WoW for.
>>323381930
Share your superior taste then
>>323399116
Because speculators are clued in on WoW going down, they're waiting to sell.
The only thing holding the price up is the promise of new games being released. (Not that those games are going to be any good, this is from a shareholder perspective).
The idea being, you wait around that time of year when a new CoD or new WoW expo gets released. You buy in a month or so, before, hold until the release notice, and you sell on the 'spike' in share price when the news comes out.
It's pretty reliable way to make decent cash, and it's basically why this whole yearly release cycle is even happening in the first place.
Without a yearly release cycle the shares would inevitably make a slow decline.
>>323398796
This and it's been proven with deathknights and monks that the vast majority will ignore the ranking spec and as you said we are in need of ranged classes
>>323399136
That doesn't say that it replaces Jab.
>Blackout kick can't be spammed because of the Combo passive
Oh no, shit, you have to actually think about your rotation? Fucking Blizzard.
>3 minute cooldown
2.
>so it's not part of the combo rotation
Go look up the Unholy Plaguebearer build, it's the same idea.
>I have no issue with there being healers more suited to certain jobs
They were literally always just a single target healer with an occasional "oh shit" button, don't kid yourself.
>starts talking aout Genesis
Why the fuck are you talking about Genesis when Swiftmend was the thing mentioned?
>>323399381
I don't play MMOs anymore.
>>323399394
Not a/ biz/ fag so why does stock as a concept need to exist? There are probably safer ways for companies to emerge and get start up funding and it seems the market is just played by professional money movers who contribute nothing.
>>323399441
>generates 2 chi
>has a chance of making BoK free
>consumes energy
It's jab.
I didn't bring up BoK in a vacuum, the issue has always been that WW will sometimes not have buttons to press if they want to maintain stacks. When you use Serenity, because it's still in the game, exactly what are you supposed to do with all those GCDs?
Uplift has been the core spell of Mistweavers this entire expansion. Their niche is as a raid healer.
I mentioned Genesis because that's what you're actually talking about. I incorrectly brought up Swiftmend, Swiftmend is a single target panic HoT, nothing like Uplift.
>tfw completely removing gladiator stance
>>323399394
See attachment:
If you bought in at $25 before gamescon, and sold immediately after the announcment at $27.8 you could make some decent money pretty quick.
If you took a loan for 100k or something, put it on ActivisionBlizzard before gamescon (4000 shares), and sold at 27.8 (the day after gamescon and Legion announcement), you could make 11k in something like 3-5 days.
If you held for the rest of the month (with balls of steel) you could make 16k~.
This shareprice will fall when the game is released no doubt, but they will hopefully have another piece of shit their announcing at that time to prop it up, and keep people that matter happy and enforcing the yearly shit treadmill model.
>>323399394
But server mergers would be a GOOD thing for the health of the game.
People leave the game for good once their server starts the death spiral.
>>323398347
What are the different specs good at? Is pandaren a good race, is their racial as good as it seems?
>>323400001
Race doesn't really matter unless you really wan't to min/max.
Pandaren racials are mostly tanking orienting anyways
>>323399928
>It's Jab
Show me where it says it replaced Jab or that Jab was removed then.
>the issue has always been that WW will sometimes not have buttons to press if they want to maintain stacks
That has never been a problem for competent Monks. They've got fillers like Expel Harm and Dragon Kick.
>>323400001
Windwalker is good single target and AoE DPS. They're super mobile like all Monk classes.
Brewmaster right now is huge shields and lots of AoE threat generation, also absurd early damage.
Mistweaver latches onto somebody with a channeled heal that changes how their other heals work (mostly just making them instant cast).
>>323400189
So monks can do everything? Tank, deeps, heal? Pandaren, night elf, or blood elf. I plan on doing end game pve and arena.
>>323399852
It gives wealthy people a nice place to 'park' money to grow it passively.
If you have 5k savings or something, you can be pretty satisfied leaving that as USD in the bank. If the USD falls by 5% under cataclymsic circumstances, you've only got 4750 in the bank no biggie.
But... if you've got 5 million dollars. It becomes risky to keep it all in USD in the bank. A drop of 5% means you just lost 250k.
In steps in investment instruments, some of which don't even grow money but just 'hold it steady'. By splitting your 5 million between USD, shares in microsoft, oil companies and activision, and gold you can be sure that even if some things go down in value other things will go up and you won't lose money. You might even gain some.
People like Kottick are heavily invested in Activision, they also are the CEO of the company and make controlling decisions on basically whatever aspect they want. If they believe a yearly release is what will keep their money safe, that's what theyl'l pursue.
In the midst of this they don't really have much time to 'enjoy' video games, or even really understand what makes them fun, only what makes the profitable in the short term.
Thus we're in the situation we are in today. Video games have evolved from a niche industry run by nerds with fun ideas.. to a multi billion dollar industry, where the people making the decisions are making the decisions not because "Hey wouldn't it be coool?"...
They're making the decision because "I need to offset the loss in crude oil, thus I will increase my stockholding on ATVI, and go into over-drive on microtransactions to boost the Q4 figures for a good cash out in feb in which il'l rebalance my portfolio". This is the thinking that causes games to be developed by big companies these days.
>>323399047
can you tell me more?
>>323399278
Friends, Community, PVP. I still have some friends that buy the new XPAC, play for a couple of months, and then drop it.
>>323399974
Sure, that's what your saying. You just are trying to up-talk the stock because you're deep in the red.
Lmao.
-average person that makes decisions at companies like this.
>>323386463
cata pvp was garbage you shiteater
>>323399852
Because then who will fund games?
>>323400189
You're being extremely aggressive for someone who apparently hasn't even looked at the changes.
www.wowhead com/news=250045/legion-beta-build-20740-class-spell-changes-including-demon-hunter-abilities#monk
>Jab: New Name - Tiger Palm
>Expel Harm - Removed
If by 'Dragon Kick' you mean the replacement for Hurricane Strike, it's a cooldown that costs 3 chi and can only be used when FoF and RSKare on cooldown. It's going to be a burst ability that isn't able to be used as part of the core rotation.
>>323400510
Blood Elf is the best Monk race at the moment because they have a free +1 Chi ability but Night Elf is nice for tanks and pandas are generally decent because of the food passive.
>>323400835
>>323400673
>>323400189
And so, the grown ups make the money, while the kids argue about 'jab' in some fictional video game.
lmao.
I admit, I'm ultimately a Wrathbabby. I came at the ass end of WotLK. I didn't pay much attention to Outland because god damn the red and green with the washed out colors was such a fucking eyesore, I did everything I could to skip through it.
But leveling a hunter now in WoD through Outlands, I not only see the obvious inspiration for the aesthetics for the garrisons, but the fucking ruins look way better.
Blizzard somehow gave us infinitely worse resources for garrisons than the fucking obliterated quest hubs.
God I hate garrisons.
>>323390993
>all we know
this is literally the first time i'm reading this shit.
source or bait
>>323382612
huh that's actually pretty cool, it never made sense that warlocks gained Illidan's signature ability
>>323401847
Took me 5 seconds to Google it, anon.
They stopped with the last report being around 5.5
>>323373089
It's a shame they didn't allow gnomes to become demon hunters. Can you imagine those little shits beating you up with two warglaives, blindfolded?
