ITT Shit game mechanics
I'll start: Encumbrance
>"I know, we'll have the players run a tedious errand before they can enjoy any more of the game! Everybody loves chores!"
>>322917449
But anon's it's so realistic.
Tedious = Immersion
>>322917449
I always disable weight limits.
That shit just isn't fun.
>>322917659
>adding real world frustrations to a fun escapist hobby
triggered.
I like encumbrance because it prevents people from hoarding literally everything they pick up.
I even use Jsawyer.esp in New Vegas so my carry limit is only 90 with my current strength.
>>322917449
>on rails sections in non on rail games
I hate this so fucking much. It's never done well and it's never fun.
>>322917852
This is what killed the FPS genre
>>322918153
>tfw rarely like fps games, but when I do they're space adventure fps like republic commando and metroid prime
There's a perfect world in my mind where military shooters were all third person instead, because those are always more fun.
>>322917449
>OOT-style companions - not just in Zelda games but in everything
Just make my character interesting WITHOUT a goofy friend with him at every step of the way.
Less of a mechanic and more of a design choice but
>zombies
RE did zombies well that one time. Then they kept doing it. Then every other game in existence did it. Add on every old-school semi-dnd inspired game starting you off either in sewers or against zombies.
Zombies are old, boring, and a detriment to your fucking game.
>>322917851
This. First thing I do in every game. Especially bullshit in fantasy games with magic. I got enough wealth to buy a country but not a Bag of Holding or Portable Hole? Fuck off.
Yeah man I hate shit like Encumbrance.
Same shit like weapons breaking, what the fuck is that good for? Also, limited mana? Just have it regenerate. I can say the same for health, why not just have it generate? And no fast travel, oh my god, why the fuck wouldn't you have fast travel? Who wants to walk everywhere? Same shit with getting better gear, why not just give me the good stuff right from the start? Save me the hassle.
It seriously pisses me off, why don't games just remove all the boring shit? I want to have FUN.
>>322917449
excessive knockback
>player.modav carryweight 1000
>>322917449
>pick a lock
>lose your lockpicks
>>322918131
>jsawyer mod
pleb.
install after war nevada and then we will talk.
>>322917449
Just drop what you don't need, faglord.
>>322922120
>only 1000
I needed at least 2000 with autoharvest mod on.
>>322922421
I NEED IT
>>322920846
I agree with your sarcasm. Nothing wrong with weight limits. Pretty much every game that has them they can be raised to hold a shitload of stuff
Weapon deterioration.
Weapon repair should be exclusively for weapons found on the field that haven't been used in a while.
>>322917659
Not every game has to pander to casuals. Some people like complexity and challenge in game mechanics.
Arbitrary missing
Like when you shoot at something and it shows 'mids'
Goddamn I hate that shit
god forbid you want to RP in an RPG
only carrying the armor and weapons you need, a bit of food, and a handful of potions? fuck that noise, I want to carry a fucking house on my back.
>>322920846
2/10 made me reply, here's your (You)
>>322920846
>Same shit like weapons breaking, what the fuck is that good for?
It's annoying, and I agree. The fact a sword in real life gets dull fast and breaks is an annoyance, and tool/weapon breaking only truly serve purpose in survival games.
> Also, limited mana? Just have it regenerate.
I'd argue with a cooldown or regeneration rate low enough you can't spam it all day making magic outclass every type of other combat.
>I can say the same for health, why not just have it generate?
If it's way slower than health and it doesn't regenerate in combat, AKA not making potions and healing spells and medkits useless, I don't see why not.
>And no fast travel, oh my god, why the fuck wouldn't you have fast travel?
Unless the game is pretty big in size or overall uneventful and tedious (skyrim) it shouldn't have fast travel.
>Same shit with getting better gear, why not just give me the good stuff right from the start? Save me the hassle.
Because having better stuff overtime gives you a sense of progression and makes you play the damn game?
>>322923606
You might have autism.
>>322923743
Thanks doc do I need daily doses
>>322923606
Hmm, maybe he was being sarcastic though. I hope.
>>322923125
>Challenge
Fast travelling a couple of times is challenge
>a whole thread of whiny babies complaining about mechanics because they're big whiny casual diaper wearing babies
Horrible thread OP. You're just giving whiny children a place to try and justify how casual they are.
>What is inventory management
Besides how is it even possible to go above the weight limit unless you hoard literally every item you come across?
>>322923442
>only carrying the armor and weapons you need, a bit of food, and a handful of potions?
This.
>>322924118
I can't figure out what you could possibly be talking about. Why would I be against making all games for casuals but for mindless fast travel?
>>322920846
>encumbrance = difficulty
wow, a real life retard
>>322923442
>go to area with the intent of getting items
>have to make 20 trips because game can't find interesting ways to be difficult other than padding out the length of one task
>>322917449
last time i played new vegas i just said fuck it and gave myself a carrying limit or like 2000
>>322924425
>opening your inventory every 5 minutes to find something to drop
>fun
>>322929016
I usually mod it out of all Bethesda games because they're the worst offenders. Pretty much the only time encumbrance works as anything other than a time waster is in horror games.
>>322929214
>picking up useless garbage you don't need in the first place
If you can drop it without worrying, you shouldn't have picked it up.
>>322929385
I found a game you might enjoy.
Does anyone even bother with crafting in NV?
It seems like it would've been more viable if crafting mats weighed nothing or at least weren't as heavy.
>>322929016
I don't go that far I usually stick to around 600, forces me to limit the amount of clutter I have in my inventory.
If I didn't force a limit on myself I'd be picking up everything.
>>322917449
character backstory in a sandbox game
Encumbrance forces the player to make choices what loot to carry or how much to prepare for a mission or journey. By proxy it also forces the player to make character choices and the beginning and during leveling.
>why am I being challenged
>>322930596
>implying this is the slightest bit true
Encumbrance forces the player to make a walk back to the bottomless box he has somewhere inconveniently far away before coming all the way back to pick up the other stuff anyway. Literally the only games that even attempt to do your version right are horror games. I bet you believed it when they told you the McNuggets were all white meat, too, faggot.
Hoarding lootwhore faggots are the worst and are part of the reason the genre has been scrubbed of all real rpg mechanics, because people can't deal with being impeded or having consequences for their actions.
>>322930806
>Encumbrance forces the player to make a walk back to the bottomless box he has somewhere inconveniently far away before coming all the way back to pick up the other stuff anyway
Or you could just pick up the shit that is important.
>>322931385
>>322931332
>>322931238
>b-b-but I enjoy meaningless length padding!
>>322931775
>why don't they just let me win automatically, everything in between is just walking around and clicking anyway
>>322931775
It's not padding, it's your own autism refusing to let go of random shit loot that you picked up just because you could.
>tfw playing Gothic/Risen series
>no fucking carryweight cap and I can just pick up everything I see
>>322931906
Encumbrance is not challenging or fun. Combat, character interactions, exploration, story, character progression, etc. are. Encumbrance is a chore they put in front of all of those things to mask that they haven't done those things well enough.
>>322931908
>enjoys inventory management
>calls other people autistic
>>322932291
JRPGs might be more your speed
>>322931908
>not picking up everything and selling it so you can maximize your profits and buy new weapons and upgrades
It's like you guys don't even like rpgs.
>>322932445
>the only thing separating jrpgs and wrpgs is the pointless chore of managing weight
see >>322929670
>>322932291
>Encumbrance is not challenging or fun. Combat, character interactions, exploration, story, character progression, etc. are. Encumbrance is a chore they put in front of all of those things to mask that they haven't done those things well enough.
Huh, of course it is. It gives a taste of survival and planning to your gameplay. Of cource this breaks if you play RPGs like a faggot and maximise your looting by walking all the way back to base every kill. You're probably the kind of person who saves the game before every battle becaue oh my you could actually die.
>>322932642
>Huh, of course it is. It gives a taste of survival and planning to your gameplay.
This would've been true if you couldn't teleport everywhere to store and sell shit.
But you can so you're full of shit, of course it's more profitable to pick the stuff you might need later warp and store it, or pick the stuff that you won't and warp and sell it. If you don't do that your purposely gimping yourself.
>>322932642
It absolutely doesn't. It would give you at taste of those things if there were no alternative, but there is an alternative.
>go to the supermarket
>forgot wallet at home
>resolve to starve to death
you're fucking braindead.
>>322932934
>using fast travel
It's like you actually don't like playing the game.
>>322933181
if fast travel is in the game, it's part of the game, sperglord, you shouldn't have to put restrictions on yourself to make a game fun - it's a sign that the game is shit.
>>322933181
>I enjoy tedious walking from one place to another several times
>>322933361
>>I enjoy tedious walking from one place to another several times
Again, you're doing it wrong. You somewhere, you take the most you can carrie and then you go back.
>>322933348
>I need a game to tell me how to have fun
>>322933181
In a game where your fastest travel speed is a comfortable jog, you bet your fucking ass I use fast travel.
And it's not like fucking NV has any amazing scenery to admire and once enemies are dead, they're pretty much dead forever.
There's literally no reason to walk everywhere unless you're braindead or didn't know you can fast travel.
>>322933494
I obviously mentioned just using fast travel as quests usually tend to make you go to one place, back again, and again and again and again
>>322933348
Yeah, and games with Fast Travel are shit.
>>322933610
If I let games tell me how to have fun I would believe them that weight management is fun and try and convince other people I enjoy it like you. At this point the game has become that relative that you're forced to be around on a regular basis that you have to force a grin and pretend to like for you.
>>322933610
The one you're replying to is saying he prefers LESS restrictions.
>>322933494
>Carrie
My name's not Carrie.
>>322917449
This so much.
>create an enormous amount of items to pick up
>"don't pick up too much! But we won't tell you if you missed any important items because lol 10/10 game design!"
Bethesdrones are the worst.
Being able to manage your inventory and only carry the important things is part of the game. Soon the next trend will be removing encumbrances in general because casuals want to take everything without thinking. Fuck you.
>>322917449
>game makes me do stuff to get xp
I don't get it, I just want to have fun not to make chores. The most fun part of a game is leveling up, so the games should just skip all the killing stuff/doing quests and just give xp non-stop all the time.
>if you get shot you slow down
>there are people on /v/ right now that dislike
>carry weight limit
>weapon degradation
>absence of fast travel
I think video games aren't for you.
>>322934171
It's an incredibly boring, tedious part of the game - you know, those two traits a GAME should never be. Encumbrance is to game challenge as pencil sharpening is to solving a math problem.
>Game makes me play it to win
GAAAAAAYYY. Why do games do this? It's 2016, for crying out loud.
>>322934305
>there are people on /v/ right now that like undertale
let that sink for a second
>games
now I'm triggered, delete this thread please, g*mes are my trigger
>>322934216
>my favorite part of the game was the really engaging level where it told me I had to stop what I was doing to go back and put my stuff in my locker so that I could turn around and go back and continue where I left off
>>322934373
It forces you to specialize and makes your character more unique. This trend of making generic characters that can do everything is boring as fuck.
In Fallout 4 for instance I'm basically just looting all without even thinking about it because random shit barely weighs anything and I instantly just dump it back at my base. Now that is boring.
>>322934305
I bet you're one of those faggots who defends DeS carryweight.
Not having that shit mechanic in DaS made it immediately better.
>>322917449
Yeah weight limits fucking suck, they're never a meaningful choice, they're just a few minutes of busywork between quests/missions/whatever, or at the very mst you'll have to make a quick cost analysis to figure out what loot is not worth taking with you
>>322934763
Except it doesn't. It literally never does. It does not specialize your character in the slightest because an infinite solution is just to go dump it in a box somewhere and come back - which defeats the purpose of the weight limit in the first place and just makes that entire process a pointless errand. Your fantasy of what encumbrance is doing for a game is not the reality of what encumbrance is doing for any game.
>>322934373
But that's wrong.
The challenge is to manage your inventory. It forces you to make choices with consequences. Yes, the consequence might be to walk again and grab more loot. But that's your greed.
You could've just made an unarmored char but that'd be harder.
Now you see the challenge.
But the main thing, and this goes for weapon repairs, too:
Immersion. When you play a role playing game, it's silly that your skinny gnome wizard can haul 20 sets of full plate armor to sell them. And it's silly that stabbing with a rapier against a shield 100 times doesn't dull it.
>>322934818
Depends on the Genre you dipshit.
DaS is more action than RPG.
>>322935043
Delusion. See >>322935020
I'm not the anon that has an issue with repairs, I kind of like that actually, but encumbrance is the most blatant example of meaningless padding in every game that uses it short of a select few horror games.
You don't understand! I NEED to pick up all those wooden spoons and rusty forks, or I'll die of having been made to think for 0.1 seconds!
>>322917852
> escapist
One of the most delusional reasons to play video games.
>>322935158
>video games aren't for you
The post I was replying didn't specify any genre or game, dipshit.
>>322935020
>an infinite solution is just to go dump it in a box somewhere and come back - which defeats the purpose of the weight limit in the first place and just makes that entire process a pointless errand
No, that is the point. No one is forcing you to loot everything but your own greedy OCD-inflicted self.
>>322935203
Learn to read.
Having to walk multiple times isn't a feature,it's a consequence of a choice. The choice could be hwo you build/equipped your char or how greedy you are.
It's also balancing so you can't just carry thousands of weapons, armor and consumables
And still; Immersion
>>322935386
It's literally the only reason you're playing a video game rather than doing a math problem, you ignorant fuck, you're either too stupid to realize you're engaging in escapism or too insecure to admit it.
>>322917449
Souls games do it well, not about how much you can carry but what you can equip
>>322935436
Read the reply chain again
>>322935585
>It's literally the only reason you're playing a video game rather than doing a math problem, you ignorant fuck, you're either too stupid to realize you're engaging in escapism or too insecure to admit it.
>video games are escapism
>board games are escapism
>going out with friends is escapism
>having sex is escapism
Fuck off
>>322917449
Encumberance brings management into gamers lives, it passively teaches them to think about something while doing other tasks. But youre too young to understand.
>>322935667
> I didn't play Demon's Souls
>>322917449
>>322917659
>>322917851
plebs
it forces you to make decisions, properly evaluating what you are going to take with you on adventure and which loot you are going to bring back
this is only tedious if you are an autist who NEEDS to sell every rat carcass at 1gp each even though they weigh like 4 pounds
>>322934553
Oh really? There's another route to that part, though, where you'd drop the things you could live without, scarf down some food, chug some potions, and walk away 50 pounds below the limit.
>>322935717
>Read the reply chain again
Are you actually retarded? The post I was replying to was literally the first in the chain.
>>322935585
>competetive gaming
>party games
>challenging games
lol
>>322918809
this killed Okami for me
along with the Zelda like speech noises you can't disable
>>322935043
If it enhances the gameplay, maybe. Most time it just bogs you down in what could be called a handbag-simulator.
In games like The Elder Scrolls it's boring. You're going to carry around a few Swords of Fire, Axes of Damageness or a backup Bow of Bullshittery, add your Heavy Armour to that and you're at 90% encumberance already.
Daggerfall had a decent solution: You could buy a cart and stack everything in there when you're looting a dungeon. Nowadays you don't have that option which is pointlessly tedious.
If it's in a survival game it would be interesting, maybe. Let's say you had to chose between An axe for woodcutting or a spear for hunting - you don't room for anything else because you lack clothes, containers, bags, whatever. Ususally it's annoying, and the choices you make based on encumberance don't figure much into the outcome of the game, just limit your capacity to loot.
>just started Lonesome Road
>valuable heavy shit everywhere
>marked man armor
>thermic lance
>super sledge
>can't bear just dropping something worth 1000s of caps
>keep trekking back to the nearest commissary every five seconds
Sigh.
>>322935834
Nah, but it's been like five years, shit gets murky. Either way, this has nothing to do with the point I was making anyway.
I'm entirely okay with encumbrance systems in cRPGs or open world like the Witcher games, but I despise it when they're implemented in JRPGs because I've grown up on Final Fantasy where inventory space is mostly unlimited and there are so many other abstractions and concessions to fantasy features that adding one that's more a chore than a challenge is not fun.
>>322935936
Are you? You don't seem to be able to follow a conversation.
I read that as "you are crying too much" to be able to run."
>>322917449
weapons switchable only through a menu that pauses the game.
>>322936071
Oh fuck off, here's your (you), but this is the last bait I'm taking.
>>322923125
>encumbered in FO4
>have to make a few fast travel trips
Tedious = challenging
>www.autismspeaks.org
>>322917449
First thing I get mods for in Bethesda games are for carry weight, weapon power and weapon degradation.
>>322917449
>double-tapping/holding a button to perform an action because a regular press of the button is used for a different action
>>322936003
>just limit your capacity to loot.
That's the point
And if you want to loot more, you have to walk more
Literally the same as grinding if you want more xp
>>322935545
>>322935474
if it was a real choice the infinite bottomless box wouldn't exist. Plugging your ears and pretending that you can't do it is doing the exact same thing as modding out the weight limit, except with the latter you're actually making the game more fun rather than trying to convince yourself you like it better than you do.
See >>322935667
which I hadn't even thought about. Rather than limiting how much you can carry limit how much you can use at once. Then when you're ready to switch your gameplay style you don't have to go on a grand journey of tedium.
>>322935747
the only reason you find video games and movies fun is because it's presenting you a world in which the circumstances are different than the one you interact with throughout your day and you find that world appealing for a time. Strip that way, all of that, and the game is literally math. It's escapism whether you realize it or not.
>>322935928
>my favorite part of the game was that time it told me I had to waste a bunch of items to bring a number down below another number before I could progress.
Encumbrance/weapon degradation only works for roguelikes and shit.
>>322936389
>the only reason you find video games and movies fun is because it's presenting you a world in which the circumstances are different than the one you interact with throughout your day and you find that world appealing for a time. Strip that way, all of that, and the game is literally math. It's escapism whether you realize it or not.
That's some hard projecting you got there. I like video games because they are fun. A few are even intellectually enriching. Same as movies and literature: It's intellectually enriching and enjoyable. If you consume any of these things so it diverts from your working or social life, you need to rethink the choices you have made so far in your life.
>>322930596
In theory
In pracice it's never balanced at all and does not incite any meaningful or interesting choices whatsoever
![You+have+become+over+encumbered_e7b8a7_5156864[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pLbwBZa.jpg "You+have+become+over+encumbered_e7b8a7_5156864[1].jpg")
"overencumbered" reeee, haha, am I right, gamers? Why don't they just let you pick up everything!
>>322920846
>having to drop your junk off every once in a while adds to difficulty and isn't just tedious
>>>/autism/
>>>/a/
>>>/mlp/
>>>/trash/
>>>/b/
>>322936219
Well, you could just think for a second instead of sperging out.
You tried to criticise encumbrance in vidya and brought DeS as an example.
I said it's a bad one because i agree with carry weight limit having no place in des because it's more of an action game with a different focus.
Full fetched rpgs like tes iii or CDDA need carry weight limit for reasons stated itt.
No coincidence that a short tempered, stupid faggot like you also is a casual.
Does someone know a game where encumbrance/weight limit actually adds to the game
>>322936340
>tapping in general
I can get behind that.
>>322935943
Okami's was actually the only one I've ever found acceptable, but I see where you're coming from.
>>322936675
>using the word fun to try and distract yourself from what's actually happening.
I play games with friends, I watch and discuss movies with friends, I just never try and convince myself it's anything other than what it is. The fact that you are trying to convince yourself otherwise should be alarming to you.
Fallout 3/NV speach:
>Hi anon, I'm trying to flood this canal to kill all the ghouls inside, will you help me?
In doing so will you also kill non-ferals?
>It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
[BARTER] If I help you will you give me your unique gun?
>Yes
*you flood the canal and finish the quest*
OR
[SCIENCE] Flooding it won't kill the ferals, but make them stronger because the water is radiated.
>You are right. I suppose we can kill them with weapons
*you kill the ferals and complete the quest*
Fallout 4 dialogue:
>Hi anon, I'm trying to flood the canal to kill the ferals
[SARCASTIC] you got a pest problem *The Big Bang Theory audience laughs*
>Nice joke ayy lmao 10/10-IGN
>Now flood the canal
OR
[GOOD GUY ANSWER] Yes sure I'll be your slave
>Thank you so much
>Now flood the canal
OR
[BAD GUY ANSWER WITH CHARISMA]
YES BUT GIVE ME MONEY FAGGOT
>OK I HATE YOU
>Now flood the canal
OR
Why do you want to kill the ghouls?
>I don't like them
>Now flood the canal
>>322936838
You know, when you're moving as slow as Dark Souls' overencumbered walk, Lost Izalith doesn't seem so bad, it feels like you're exploring unused content.
>>322920846
>Money
>Progression so that you actually feel like you are doing something in the game and have an objective instead of pointless loitering
>Satisfaction after you worked hard for something
>Rewarded when you play a lot so you keep on playing more
>>322936838
Off the top of my head, I think the Armored Core franchise might quality
>choice between equipping your mech with heavier, more powerful parts and weapons, or lighter armament
>the result impacts your ability to maneuver, your firepower, and there might or might not also be overheating mechanics [I can't quite remember]
But of course, I don't think this is the case that's being discussed at the moment, the thread seems to be more about weight limits in open world games in general.New game never ever.
>>322925493
>you have to hoard almost every item you find for crafting
>fun
>>322936987
>>using the word fun to try and distract yourself from what's actually happening.
>I play games with friends, I watch and discuss movies with friends, I just never try and convince myself it's anything other than what it is. The fact that you are trying to convince yourself otherwise should be alarming to you.
>lalala I'm right and you're wrong :^)
How about you bring some actual points instead of being the supreme smuglord? Yes, video games are fun. They are enjoyable way to pass the time alone or with friends. That doesn't mean I play them to escape from reality. You can do things for fun anon, it's okay.
People wouldn't feel the need to pick up everything if the vendors in game didnt have bottomless pockets of gold or got imperial shekel deliveries with every passing day.
Unless you're selling to some huge mercantile scrap company with bottomless demand, your average merchant would eventually get sick of buying rusty swords and sets of armor from you.
>>322937170
From Software confirmed for only company capable of doing encumbrance right.
>>322937170
Yeah that's more of a choice between heavy or light armour
>>322936838
well, it's different, but in RE games you had to choose which weapons/equipment to take with you... that added some "survival" aspect to the game.
>>322936389
>if it was a real choice the infinite bottomless box wouldn't exist. Plugging your ears and pretending that you can't do it is doing the exact same thing as modding out the weight limit, except with the latter you're actually making the game more fun rather than trying to convince yourself you like it better than you do.
Still not convinced and at this point it's just going circles. Play what and how you like it.
>>322937004
I'll make it a copypasta and shitpost in every fallout thread ever
>>322936987
>>tapping in general
>I can get behind that.
Only in a rhythm game.
>>322937382
I was just about to post that,fuck youjust kidding
Lowering your stats each time you die.
getting pregnant
who the fuck would put this in their game
Weight limit could work in an actual survival game. Say, something like Stalker. You have to choose how much ammo and food you take with you, which determines how long you can scavenge and how much shit you can haul back. But the balance needs to be a fine one- too little of a limit and it's pretty tedious, too high of a limit and it's meaningless
>>322937283
Why are you trying so hard to convince me your reality is great on an anonymous imageboard? Pretty much everybody engages in escapism, it's not an indicator of a miserable life. It's a fun way to spend time - either alone or with other people. But end of the day, it's escapism, you just seem to be very insecure about that word.
>>322935883
>Le complex decision
No, there's no fucking decision unless you already played the game and you know exactly which bullshit miscellaneous items get crafted into that one weapon you use with your stats.
Plus you generally need money for something so you need to gather money.
The sole purpose of the system is to artifically lengthen the game by making you go back and forth places. Games that give you infinite inventory space are ininitely more enjoyable if items are bullshit.
A game that did inventory management well was resident evil, because all items were meaningful, you had to pick between room for key items, weapons, ammo, and healing items. And that was it, no other bullshit crap to carry around.
>>322917449
>Quick time events
when did we begin to feel the need to mash buttons instead of relaxing while the cutscene goes on? What the fuck is wrong with people? Watching cutscenes was one of the most awesome things in old school videogames
>>322936832
Jesus christ let's go reply by reply, since you are apparently retarded.
Here's the first post in the chain >>322934305
Even a moron like you has to agree that the point of that post is basically: if you don't like these things (carryweight limit, weapon degradation and absence of fast travel) then video games aren't for you. Note: No mention of genres, just videos games in general.
And here is my reply >>322934818
Proving that it's not that simple, by giving an a example of a game where carryweight limit was an absolutely awful mechanic that no one should approve of.
And then you come in out of left field >>322935158 talking about genres and calling me a dipshit for no apparent reason. and somehow I'm the angry sperg.
And finally >>322935436 I explained that there was no mention of genres in the first post and that we are talking, in this replay chain, about video games in general.
Clear enough for you autistic asshole?
>COINS HAVE WEIGHT
>>322937819
Escapism _by definition_ implies a miserable life. Lern2words faggit.
>>322917449
Because it's realistic to be able to carry 500 guns no problem, but 501 makes you molasses. Souls does it pretty well where only what you have equipped encumbers you
>>322929385
I get that you like to play all your games with a GameFAQ window opened so you can minmax your run but most people aren't cockless faggots like yourself and would rather just enjoy the fucking game.
I think Repair was one of my favorite skills in New Vegas. Partially because of how often it came up in skill checks, and partially because I loved scrounging for items to quickly fix up my weapons to constantly maxed condition.
Also, I felt like the carry weight was never restrictive. I had something like 20 different weapons, a light armor set, and a medium armor set. Not to mention all of my ammo for all of my weapons had weight because of Hardcore mode. I even liked in Honest Hearts where they limit you to 75 units going into the DLC. It made me really put some thought into what weapons and armor and healing items would be my real backbone.
>>322937004
>Fallout 3 giving you those options
You fucked up
>>322937867
Drop the shit you don't need is a decision you retard.
>>322938021
>Escapism is mental diversion by means of entertainment or recreation, as an "escape" or dissociation from the perceived unpleasant, boring, arduous, scary, or banal aspects of daily life.
>aspects
I wish more games had a more significant gradient between heavy and light, like if you become so gargantuanly heavyset that you can't jog, you start gaining additional defense and cannot be stunned because all the shit you're carrying is pinning you to the ground and cannot be toppled by someone trying to fucking kill you
>>322937951
I hate QTEs during cutscenes [screw you forever Resident Evil 4], but I do enjoy QTEs that are integrated in a fairly harmless way into the gameplay. Like, for example, an RPG where you get bonus damage for timing your button press with the hit animation, is the best application of a QTE I can think of in a videogame. It doesn't kill you instantly for failing it in an arbitrary way, but it rewards you for having the capacity to do it.
>pressing up doesn't got to the bottom of the list
getting real tired of this shit
Why isn't god mode standard on all games? stuff like healing and mana management are such bullshit, it just gets in the way of me beating the game as quickly as possible
>>322938190
Learn to read retard.
>You don't know which items you need.
>And you need money so you need to carry a bunch of items to sell.
>>322938239
Exactly. And your'e trying to convince me that every media I enjoy is just part of my _alleged_ unpleasant aspects of life, which simply isn't true. In fact most media I enjoy I enjoy to deal with those unpleasant aspects. And some other media, like video games, are pleasant aspects of my life, and not a diversion tactic.
>>322938021
>NO YOU ANON MY LIFE IS SO GREAT ESCAPISM IS NOT FOR ME
It's perfectly ok to engage with fiction for a while anon, no matter what the bullies told you.
escapism es·cap·ism (ĭ-skā'pĭz'əm)
n.
The tendency to escape from daily reality or routine by indulging in daydreaming, fantasy, or entertainment.
It's really not something you need to be insecure about buddy, it doesn't imply misery like you think it does. Insecurity does, though.
>>322938346
The new Battlefront had a qte I quite liked- guns didn't have ammo but would overheat, and when you timed your push right you could greatly reduce the cooldown. The time frame got smaller with every consecutive successful cooldown reduction
>>322920398
Its the only way to add an enemy that is humanoid, endless in number, only uses its hands, and runs straight at you.
Its a cheap way to setup a game where you just kill a ton of things and dont feel anything.
>>322938098
>I might need this broken toothpick that I already have 200 of and which can be found literally everywhere in the game, better pick it up just in case.
>enemies level with you
>shit enemies still attack you on a high level
Looking at you, Elder Scrolls
>>322917659
Even the limits shown in the game aren't realistic encumbrance. The last game I played with a realistic encumbrance was Earthbound, and that game was able to balance it out by having fewer and more important items.
>>322938656
If you remember you're the one who started all this with the idea that escapism has to signify a miserable life, but you're convinced that escapism is a bad word because /v/ probably told you it is. It's not, it's not even a bad thing to do in moderation. Again, you seem very insecure about the entire idea, and that's what's alluding to your unpleasant life.
Weight Limits do absolutely nothing but make take longer to do shit.
>Oh I'm over encumbered as fuck
>better drop all this useless shit
>oh hey a side quest
>"Get a bunch of [All that useless shit you dropped]"
It doesn't add difficulty because everything that could attack you is probably already dead, and are the reason you're over encumbered in the first place.
It's a shit system and has no place in vidya that allows you to fight and kill giant radioactive scorpions with a pool cue.
>>322936704
>I haven't played Dragon's Dogma
IT's the best encumberance system ever. Your total carried weight affects everything from runspeed to stamina consumption. Being lightly loaded can mean your trip across the map is half as long or even help you in combat when avoiding attacks.
>>322917449
>let's make the true ending obtainable only after unlocking all weapons and make every single one of them beyond retarded to unlock and completely impossible unless you look it up!
>>322939124
Secret endings in general are kind of whack. I'm all for bonus challenges/replay bonuses, but if they're intended as a bonus to the main game then they really shouldn't lock you out of story components.
>>322938946
>/v/ told you to
>you're insecure
Can you please put forward an argument without having to constantly insult me (since yoru arguments are shit)?
As for the point, escapism simply is the wrong word here. It implies that I do things to divert my mind from other things, which is not true, regardless of how adamantly you insist on it. It may be true that SOME people enjoy media for this reason, but this doesn't mean everyone does it. And unless you're going to make the point that every form of enjoyment - from video games to books to movies to sex to traveling - necessarily is only enjoyable because it diverts your mind from the negative aspects of your life, I don't really see you making any good point here.
Grid based inventory systems are superior to weight based ones.
Discuss.
>>322939091
Well that's true I haven't actually played it yet
I'll see how it is in a few days
>>322939292
Metroid Prime 1 did it right.
>Main ending is conclusive
>100% completion ending has a sequel hook teaser
>upgrading items has an increasing failure chance that destroys the item and the materials used to upgrade
>New Game PLUS!
>Play it again, keep your items, but this time enemies are harder!
Artificial replay value. Why not just make a game that's interesting to play through different ways multiple times, using different builds?
>Hey can you go deliver this letter for me?
>QUEST STARTED, REWARD: 1500 GOLD, 1000 EXPERIENCE POINTS
Side quests were always really interesting in RPGs before they were watered down like this. Remember delivering letters to the injured soldier in Mobliz, in FF6? How about finding the alien on the world map in FF8? Make your side quests slightly more subtle so that they reward attentive players.
>Equipped items, if less than 10 pounds, are weightless
>Encumberment works as a scale starting at 100% speed at some kind of high value, i.e. 150 Skyrim units and works its way down to 30% speed at 500 units, where it stops decreasing
>Armor does not directly dictate movement speed, but does impact it due to its weight
>Armors that give ridiculous amounts of damage resistance are available right at the start, if you're willing to eat a dick and move at 30% movespeed or have nothing else in your inventory
Is this bearable?
>>322939358
Yes
Tetris minigame>counting minigame
>>322939358
agreed
But there needs to be semi-frequent weird shaped shit to be perfect.
>>322939323
All right anon, I'm sure your life is the biggest and best that's ever been, escapism is so beneath you that you are just the happiest most successful man alive and will never need such dirty, dirty words for peasants like all those mean people on /v/. You're the biggest boy of all biggest boys champ - you got us, winner.
>>322939441
Also
>Minimaps
>Quest markers
These are shit
>Quest logs
These can stay, but only as a way of refreshing your memory about something.
>>322939358
I really don't see the point, honestly. It's not like it realistically represents carrying things better than a flat weight limit does. Has anyone ever ran through one of these and thought "man, I really want to carry this thing with me, but the shape is too awkward to efficiently fit my grid!"?
>>322939414
fuck lineage 2
>>322939358
They almost mathematically equivalent.
The problem is that developers actually pay attention to sizes and weights in grid systems, as in the case of diablo it was directly related to database storage costs for online, while in regular weight systems the theoretical grid is so big they just don't give a shit and it's not clear why the system exists at all.
>>322939561
Also the ability to rotate shit
>>322939358
Arguably more realistic, but I don't think there's really any video game with a highly realistic inventory system since your character is never actually depicted holding the things they are carrying.
>>322939701
Alone in the dark reboot
>>322939441
new game+ was GOAT in Ratchet and Clank
>>322939441
>How about adding new ways to play a game, except this particular way I don't like?
Anon, please.
I was absolutely livid when I found out Dishonored did not have a New Game+ mode.
gimping playstyles using stupid shit like resources (mana)
>play wizard
>have cool as fuck spellcombos that would annihilate groups of enemies and truly make you feel powerful
>they all cost too much to use
>have to settle for spamming the shitty lvl 1 fireball spell 100000 times instead
every fucking time
>>322938702
Not to mention that you really don't have to program good AI, when you got zombies. Just make them beehive for the player, which is very, very easy to do.
>>322939358
Agreed, but it definitely needs to be done very right , and by that I mean they really need to pay attention to it and tailor it to the game's needs and balance it right.
>>322939583
>All right anon, I'm sure your life is the biggest and best that's ever been, escapism is so beneath you that you are just the happiest most successful man alive and will never need such dirty, dirty words for peasants like all those mean people on /v/. You're the biggest boy of all biggest boys champ - you got us, winner.
That's not even the idea you retard. Jesus fuck how about you actually read my posts. I'm not saying that I don't have unpleasant things in my life. I'm saying that I don't deal with these things by diverting my mind from them with media consumption, and converesely my media consumption isn't based around diverting myself from these bad things. In fact a lot of my media consumption has the aim to tackle these problems. And when I indeed have _fun_ (games, sex, traveling, social life) it's just for the sake of without ulterior motive.
I guess the thrust is that if you are indeed knowingly engaging in escapism you should work on your problems instead, but that doesn't mean the things your using to engage in escapism are necessarily escapistic per se.
>>322937978
>No mention of genres, just videos games in general.
Yeah, because racing games often have those features.
If someone plays and rpg and whines about carry weight video games aren't for him.
If some one plays a jump n run and whines about pits/spikes, video games aren't for him.
If someone plays an fps and whines about having limited ammo, video games aren't for him.
It's a matter of attitude and expectations. Go watch a movie or something
>>322939406
Yeah that does seem pretty neat.
overly gimmicky shit that's just plain inferior
>Fireball: Costs 10 mana to use, kills a regular enemy in 3 hits
vs
>Blind: Costs 20 mana to use + blinding powder item, gives enemy a 15% chance to miss when attacking
>>322939851
This is more of a problem with the fact that early game spells always look and feel like garbage and don't give you any sense of power. I'm looking at you Bethesda, your spells are always garbage up until you reach endgame and theycontinue being garbage.
>people defend shit mechanic because adds "challenge", "choices" and whatnot
>it actually does norhing but pad game time
>>322940101
limited ammo changes the way you approach and engage in fights
pits/spikes are the challenge to the platforming of a platformer
inventory encumbrance makes you take an extra trip and then in no other way affects gameplay because no matter what build you are you can just run back to the box and come back - making the whole concept pointless.
>>322940310
You are aware that game mechanic and game time are directly correlated right?
>>322917449
>normal movement speed
>grab a flower
>suddenly too heavy to even move
Realistic experience
>people say that a game mechanic is bad because they have bad habits
>>322940163
Holy fucking shit this. Any time debuffs are actually worthwhile in a game I just about bust a load because it's so rare.
>>322917449
Encumberence is perfectly acceptable when applied with the thought of gameplay balancing instead of the lazy shit bethesda does.
If the game is balanced for it, being slower while wearing heavier armor, and inversely wearing lighter gear is fun.
>>322940101
Ignoring the fact that not all rpgs have carryweight, not all fps's have limited ammo, and not all platform games are about jumping over spikes.
Those people can just avoid those respective genres and enjoy other videogames, they can absolutely love tetris and hate ammo, hate spikes, hate carryweight.
Literally all your posts are retarded.
>It's realistic
>My character can carry multiple weapons, clothing, healing tools, huge stack of ammo, mountains of junk and a whole catalogue of miscellaneous items without any kind of backpack.
Yeah fast travelling to dump anything I don't want sure adds realism and strategy to the game. It'd be so casual without it.
>>322940052
No no I'm sure your life is as perfect as you say it is sport, why would I ever doubt you? Listen here bucko, I bet everybody on this board is just wishing they were half the success you are. I mean, escapism, PFFT, you?! no! Look, how about we go buy you the biggest cake the baker makes with as many candles as you want? Would you like that, champ?
>>322940838
Lel literally ignoring what I said. Good on you champ.
>>322930806
>forces
Nope, that's the choice you make. Stop carrying around those -3 rusty daggers you plan on selling for 2 bronze pieces, hoarder.
>>322940423
>wasting ammo in an fps makes you get new smmo or die, replaying that part
>dying in a platformer makes you reolay thst part
>having shit inventory management and/or a char that isn't build for carrying makes you rewalk that part
>>322940954
Don't like cake?! All right, you twisted my arm but hey, it's not like you don't deserve it - I'm gonna call up all of your multitude of adoring friends for a day party at - you guessed it! CHUCK E CHEESE! I know how much you love watching them play games and telling them how unhealthy it is to avoid their problems like that, aww you're such a scamp. I'm so proud of you.
>>322940654
It's not about the genre, it's about a mindset. You people want easy going without consequences, challenge and preferably thinking.
>>322941156
rewalking != replaying
>>322941234
Wow you're upset.
>>322941156
Replaying a part is fun.
Walking isn't.
Weapon durability
Only fucking god knows why this was so praised in new vegas
>>322941336
Essentially the same.
>>322939358
>modded d2
Equip load makes sense gameplay-wise, encumberance is just here to add tediousness. "Oh boy, I wish I could continue exploring this dungeon but I have to make a quick trip back to my stash first".
I mean, whoever has played Demon's and Dark Souls can't tell me they missed the inventory load from the first game.
>>322920846
Regenerating health and mana makes the game easier and more forgiving. Same for better equipment. Playing inventory tetris is just tedious, it doesn't make the game any harder and it breaks the pace.
>>322941410
>Walking isn't.
Sucks to be you
I have a revolutionary new idea for an inventory system, taking kickstarter donations now
>>322941326
>It's not about the genre
I agree, that's why I'm not the one who brought up genres.
>it's about the mindset
And you have a shitty one.
>if you don't like specific mechanics in certain games then don't play videogames at all
>>322941679
But real bags are not 2D anon.
>>322941340
Haha! That's my boy! After that how about we go play some catch! Get your arm all warmed up for pitching in the big game! Not that anybody could ever warm you up without tiring themselves out! You know everybody relies on you on that team! They didn't make you captain for no reason, they look up to you! You're out there succeeding while they're having "fuun" on their silly game consoles - one day you're really gonna show all these other boys and girls what a hard day's work really means.
>Rubber banding
>Invisible walls
>"You're leaving the mission area! Turn back now!"
>Basic enemies are damage sponges
>Infinitely respawning enemies
>Hidden audio logs
>Weapon degradation
>>322941616
Fucking casuals
>>322941457
not in the slightest.
>>322941326
Maybe you should just accept that you're spouting random bullshit and should just shut the fuck up
>>322941774
3D tetris is an awful game.
Also, depends on the type of bag. Some bags are only as thick as a book, so practically 2D
>>322940838
>>322941234
>>322941778
I haven't seen this much analdevastation in a while
I thought Witcher 3 did a pretty good job at this. There's a weight limit but you can increase it with saddlebags and a skill. And eventually you just stop looting low level shit because it does nothing for you anyways. The fast travel was a nice balance, too, having to use a signpost.
Crafting systems
CRAFTING SYSTEMS
>>322941443
Because weapons lasted a good amount of time and they were easily repairable especially with the jury rigging perk
>>322917659
It's not how it should be, it should be that you get slower slowly, not just that you can sprint and suddenly you have to walk because of 1pound extra feathers
I can't think of a game where dropping something less valuable/useful and then picking up something more valuable/useful and then NOT coming back for the junk ruined the game.
No game FORCES you to walk again for loot. It's just one of many compromises of an RPG like distributing stat points.
Sure you COULD tediously grind to make a master character but most people don't
So I don't see what's so hard to NOT sell every piece of crap for mad money.
>>322940838
>>322941234
>>322941778
Literal assburgers
>>322942016
Ha! There's that sharp wit! You get that one from your mum. Oh if she could only see you now, she'd be just as proud as everybody else is! Come here, give me a hug, sport.
>>322942017
Inventory management is ok in Witcher 3 but weapon degradation is fucking tedious though. I lose track of how many times I had to backtrack to a fucking blacksmith in the middle of a quest because my silver sword was fucked.
Captcha: WOODCOCK
>>322942036
Oblivion spellcrafting was great
>>322942060
Hmm been a while since I played but last I remember I picked up a laser minigun, used it to kill 2 mutants then it broke, asked me to go find some rare shit or find another equally hard to find minigun to repair it by 5%
>>322941874
So I enjoy one thing more than you. Even worse, one thing you don't like.
>>322917449
Sometimes I find it okay and other times I do not. Games like RE4 did it right. Games where you just can pick up everything and anything and then suddenly say you carry to much is horse shit.
RE4 is fine since you can see how much space you have and place items in certain ways to get more space.
>>322941851
>Audio logs
If there's hundreds in the game and scattered everywhere and not "hidden" at all, yes. If there's 5 audio logs in the game, they all have weight, and hidden very well because they damn near apoil the game, they're fine.
>Weapon Degradation
Dark Souls did it right. Repairing weapons is cheap, easy, and the whole process of repairing all your gear takes 5 seconds, until they're broken.
>>322941903
Maybe you should accept my advice and try to find another hobby if you whine about encumbrance in rpgs
Open world games.
I have yet to play one that isn't shit in some terrible way.
>>322942247
Calm down
The thread will be deleted in an hour and everyone will forget about how much you embarrassed yourself
>>322941679
That'd be pretty cool
>better put these potions on top I might need them later
>oh shit lava and my ring of lava immunity is somewhere in my bag hang on let me move all this shit and find it
>>322923606
dude, ffs
New inventory systtem:
You can only carry as many weapons as you have holsters/sheaths
There are three classes of items small/middle/big based on the apparent size and weight with numbers 1/2/3 or 1/5/7 or something
You can buy bags/sacks that hold a specific number of weightpoints.
You can only equip a certain number of bags or weightpoints
Going over your weight/sizelimit slows you down exponentially and disables certain movement (running, jumping climbing).
>>322942267
Why didn't you just buy/craft the repair kits?
>99% hit chance
>miss twice in a row
>>322942534
Oh don't you worry about those anonymous meanies, they're just bitter that they're not the success you are! If only everybody could be born with your combination of good genes, impeccable wit, and go get 'em attitude! You are everything everybody wishes they could be, Scamp, we all love you!
>>322941526
I actually do miss the seperate equip load from DeS... ;_;
>>322942036
>not likingmateria
Honestly, encumburance is only really shitty in Bethesda games.
Thanks to leveled loot, you can find something similar enough in the next dungeon, but what if you want to keep your first sword on you or some shit? Levelled loot is a failed mechanic.
