I really want this game to do well in the competitive scene, but the required GamePad usage concerns me...
>pokemon
>competitive
lmao
>Competitive anything
>On the WiiU
Gonna have to stop you right there, anon.
It'd be possible if Nintendo could manage to not fuck up their online matchmaking.
Oh well.
The roster is shitty.
>>322860703
Not really. All of the fan-favorites are already in the game.
>>322860852
That's why it's a shitty roster, it's far too safe.
>>322860703
>Fighting Game
>No Hawlucha
>BUT PIKACHU GETS TWO SLOTS
>>322863606
That's why I'm gonna pirate it
>>322863606
B-b-b-but it's a COMPLETELY unique character!
>>322863718
But it is, different moves, different gender, different look. I'm not denying that any other pokemon could've taken that spot but mexican Pikachu is still pretty good.
>>322861054
>too safe
>waahh my favorite irrelevant shitmon didn't make it in! waahh waahh
>>322865913
Why is Gardevoir there then, because it's exactly that.
>no wailord
DROPPED
>>322867557
Alakazam is next.
>>322867682
Japan hates whales.
>>322867557
Gardevoir is the queen of waifus and it's Diantha's ace Pokémon. I wouldn't call that irreleva
>>322860703
Your favourite Pokemon didn't get in? Mine did.
>>322867978
Mine too.
>>322867978
mine didn't...
This game will never be "competitive".
You are a giant fucking naive idiot if you have even considered putting that thought in your mind.
>>322860703
This, holy shit.
The roster is absolutely tiny for a game that has so many candidates for choices. There's not even a joke character.
>>322860586
>>322868771
Sm4sh isn't competitive yet it's popular in the tourney scene.
>>322863606
It's not a digimon game anon
>>322859360
>I really want this game to do well in the competitive scene
I don't. Plese keep this game away from tourneyfaggotry.
>>322860703
Golly gee, I wonder who could be behind this-
>>322863606
kek
Literally every time. Salty Hawluchafags are the best goddamn thing about this game. The funniest thing is Luchachu is infinitely more hype than that shitty bird could ever be. Can't wait to main it and rub it in beaner faces.
>they will inevitably add dlc pokemon
>they will inevitably be imbalanced/considered basically pay to win
>yfw they ruin this game
>>322868860
Hey, at least Sm4sh is more competitive than Melee. Pokken hasn't proven that much yet, though I hardly see how it could fail to be.
>>322868860
That's why I said "competitive."
It still has a "scene" it's just a fucking joke and isn't considered anything amazing to anyone that matters.
>>322868919
>>322868919
they already did with sceptile
>>322868794
I'm OK with the roster's choices, but I have to agree that it's a pretty damn small roster.
>>322869017
Sceptile isn't DLC though.
>>322860852
Game is shitty beccause it has no Sceptile the best pokemon.
>>322869063
Have you been living under a rock since December?
>>322859360
How is this game handling the 4 move limit? Does Pikachu know the moves it knows in the anime or maybe Smash?
>>322869131
Is he DLC?
>>322868794
>Dunsparce and Magikarp never
This game's competitive scene will never be good as long as the people that play this turd not only are happy, but praise the fact that the roster is as generic and pitiful as can be.
The players will be even more awful and cancerous than Smash.
>>322859360
Is this a joke?
>>322868794
The roster you see is not final, you fucking idiot. There is room for more.
>>322869179
No. He was revealed on the 10th and added to the arcade version on the 16th..
>Brooding bipeds
>>322869248
Oh boy, I can't wait for 2-4 more characters.OUT OF 720
>>322859360
>Nintendo game
>Competitive in any way other than speedrunning
kekekekek
>playing nintendo games competitively
can people stop with this meme?
>>322869179
Nigga he's in the base game. Are you retarded? The game isn't even out yet.
Also, game will suck caus it plays like Nay Rue Toe Ninja Ass games instead of like Tekken. In fact, they should have just gotten Capcom to make a 2D fighter. OrArcSys
>>322869248
No shit it's not final. It's still unbelievably small to begin with.
>>322869365
pogeymans
muh lee
mario vs. sonic at the olympics
>>322869485
But Capcom hasn't made a passable fighter since Third Strike and ArcSys is just another kusoge factory these days.
>>322868894
>Wanting the game's roster to suck
People who play video games are weird.
>>322869363
Most of the Pokémon of the 720 are irrlelvant shitmons like Typhlosion, Swampert, Meganium, Sunflora, Luvdisc, Unown, Weedle, Metapod, Kakuna, Finneon, Lumineon, Carnivine, Swirlix, Inkay, Litleo, etc. If you trim all the fat, that only leaves about 100 viable choices.
>>322869485
>Arcsys Pokemon fighting game
MY
FUCKING
DICK
FUND IT.
>>322869508
>>322869363
You are incredibly naive or totally retarded if you expected a roster bigger than 30 characters for the first entry of a fighting game series.
Oh wait, I'm talking to pokefags. Nevermind.
>>322869596
But it doesn't suck. It's quite good for getting a new franchise off the ground with over 700 options to pick from, and in fact it's better for prioritizing good Pokemon over your precious favorite shitmon. I'm sorry that it hurts you to hear this, but it's true.
>>322869568
When was the last good Naruto game Bamco made?
>>322869617
and pikachu's not?
>>322869817
Nigga he's the mascot of the entire damn series.
>>322869617
>Irrelevant shitmon list
>Start out with gen 2 starters
Classy bait.
>>322869837
and unown had it's own movie, so what does being a shitmon have to do with not getting on the roster?
>>322859360
>required GamePad
Source on this?
Seems odd, considering the arcade units just use a slightly variant Pro Controller
>>322863974
That just makes it worse desu. Making a clone would be fast and easy, but they actually spent development time on two different Pikachus. There are like 700 pokemon, and they had to have Pikachu twice.
>>322869772
>Bigger than 30
So far it's just 12. There's no excuse whether if it's "new" or not, especially since this is working off of an already established franchise.
Funny thing is that I'm not even a pokefag. I'm just sick of people sucking this lazy game's dick.
>>322869981
The camera follows you around, so one person needs to use the TV screen and the other person needs to use the screen on the Wii U gamepad.
>>322869931
The Gen 2 starters are all bland and uninspired though. They're only popular because of nostalgia. Meganium is just a shit version of Venusaur, Typhlosion is a rod of fur and Feraligatr is just a generic blue alligator.
>>322869793
I don't know why you're so defensive over mexican pikachu. I'm not even invested in this game, I just think two pikachus is a stupid idea if you want to net a lot of players.
>>322870080
Interesting.
But if that's the case, how did the arcade version handle two player?Please bear with me, I've been out of the loop for Pokken the last couple months
>>322869803
Damn good question, I don't play weebshit so I wouldn't know. Tekken's always pretty solid though.
>>322870205
>>322869772
it's not that we expected it, nobody in their right minds ever thought for a moment that it would. But ponder for a moment the purpose of a pokemon fighting game, rather than it being a new IP.
The purpose is, in theory, to take control of your favorite pokemon and fight with more control than simple menu selections. Next question. How many people's favorite pokemon are actually on the roster? So you can understand that it defeats it's own purpose, right? And that we are obviously disappointed, yeah?
>>322860852
Then where's Charizard and Blaziken?
>>322870284
Shit.
Thanks.
>>322859360
>competitive
Walk into high-speed traffic.
>>322870143
And I don't know why you're so rump roasted about the series' mascot getting play. It's a boy Pikachu and a girl Pikachu. Now that there's a fighting-themed Pikachu, not having it in a Pokemon themed fighter would be a missed opportunity, but classic Pikachu is too iconic not to have. They could have collapsed the movesets into one slot or something but that wouldn't have changed anything except for making the character select screen one slot short.
>people think this game will be competitive when it has shitty naruto styled gameplay
>>322870397
Couldn't they have just given the costume to an alternate move set?
I think you think I'm someone else. I don't really care about this game, I haven't since the first video and everything seemed disappointed. I just wondered why you'd be so smug about mexican pikachu.
>>322870469
It doesn't really have Naruto-styled gameplay at all. The only similarity is that there's free 3D movement.
>>322870565
its not as complex as tekken either
nor is it gaining any ground in the japanese tournament scene
its novelty at best just like naruto
>>322870337
Is this bait?
>STILL no Jigglypuff
>>322870028
>I'm just sick of people sucking this lazy game's dick.
I see this is your first time dealing with the Pokémon fanbase. Yes, they're awful everywhere.
>>322859360
It isn't interesting enough for the FGC. I'm sure Nintendo will do some shit with it.
>>322871393
>It isn't interesting enough for the FGC.
Yet Smash is? That isn't even a real fighting game series.
>People bitching because their favourite mons aren't in
>Three of mine are already confirmed
Feels great.
>>322870947
>SIX kanto reps
>TWO pikachus
>no real gen 2 rep
>no reps from gen 5/6
he's dead jim
>>322871238
thats what smash bros is for
>>322871649
>Rosterfags
Back to your Smash 5 Dream roster thread, autismo.
>>322872076
LOL is that like supposed to be an insult? cause im not really feeling it
>>322859439
I hope you realize that this isn't a mainline pokemon game
>>322872735
Are you implying mainline Pokemon /isn't/ competitive?
>>322871649
How does Suicune not count as a real gen 2 rep? He's from fucking gen 2. Do legendaries just not count as real pokemon to you?
>>322873143
because legendaries are a dumb cop out instead of trying to implement a regular poke
>>322873235
>legendaries are a dumb cop out
>>322872839
No but I can see why you think I am.
Better roster inc
Tried to keep it realistic, meaning pokemon with popularity, unique moveset potential, and megas were given priority. I also tried to keep the roster relatively small, but represent at least a few pokemon from every generation and represent every type.
>Fighters - 17 Total, Mewtwo as an unlockable boss
Charizard, Pikachu, Gengar, Mewtwo
Scizor, Tyranitar
Sceptile, Blaziken, Gardevoir
Lopunny, Lucario, Garchomp
Zoroark, Beartic
Greninja, Hawlucha, Sylveon
>Supports - 20 Total
Ivysaur, Koffing, Electrode, Mr. Mime
Donphan, Octillery, Wobbuffet
Trapinch, Slaking, Shroomish
Snover, Rhyperior, Kricketune
Darmanitan, Chandelure, Galvantula, Cryogonal
Aegislash, Braixen, Noivern
Where are my hitmons?
It's not gonna do well in the competitive scene because it's a casualized fighting game for children. Even Smash has more depth.
>>322868876
Ebin
>>322859360
Hori is making a fight pad for it. Go nuts.
>>322873516
>tfw your all time favorite pokemon is completely outclassed in popularity that he will never ever get in.
>>322873984
It honestly bothers me how few fighting types are in a Pokemon fighting game. I know it's more about popularity but they could have easily given some of the more popular fighting types some love this way. I really hope Chan and Lee make it, but at this rate I doubt it. Lee is probably fucked because Blaziken is in it and it uses kicks.
I got my Machamp so I'm happy either way.
>>322870469
Funny that, they fucked up the new Jojo fighter in the exact same way
I just wanted another ASB with more characters, god dammit.
>>322874325
Hopefully not. It's a Pokemon fighting game, not a fighting type fighting game. The fighting type already composes the majority of the roster's types PLUS the final boss.
Hitmonlee has the elongating gimmick but there's nothign unique about Hitmonchan that Machamp or Lucario can't do. (not you)People that wanted a game of only fighting types are the worst cancer about this game. They didn't want a Pokemon game, they wanted "fighting styles" reskinned with Pokemon.
>>322875129
I think I was expecting a reskinned Tekken with pokemon, which is why I wanted more fighting types. Since its obviously not that, the only Pokemon that bothers me really is Suicune and maybe Gardevoir. Suicune just seems so out of place against the other Pokemon. Gardevoir i just dislike the design.
>>322867978
Swampert feels like an inevitabitily, if there's more mons to be announced. We already have 2/3 Hoenn starters. It would be weird to leave the best of the three out.
>>322875969
>good things
>an inevitability
You expect too much.
>>322875652
>Suicune just seems so out of place against the other Pokemon.
I know, shame on the creators for attempting to make Pokkén remotely unique.
>>322868894
>Second Pikachu
>Hype
Holy shitpost
>>322876143
It's more that it's a legendary and the others are just regular mons. MewTwo makes sense since he's final boss material, but it seems to odd to just throw in a single legendary. Then again I also think it's retarded that there are two Pikachu characters, I'm just glad they play differently. I'm not a huge fan of Pokemon so maybe I'm not the best judge of who should get it.
>>322876062
Shut up!
Swampert will be there for sure! Aggron too!
The initial fans have turned me off to this game so much already. The popularity contest and constant damage control are obnoxious. The roster is ass and people defend the shit out of it while attacking anyone who has even a remotely interesting suggestion for the roster
>>322869363
If you want the game to be fucking horseshit then yeah have 30+ characters
>>322876785
>hile attacking anyone who has even a remotely interesting suggestion for the roster
>hitmons
>other generic fighting types instead of unique ones like Mienshao, Keldeo
>interesting
>>322869803
UNS2.
>>322876429
Yeah but suicune is only UU
How the fuck would you ever think this game could even possibly be competitive? Do you not play any fighting games of any kind? That's the only way anyone could think that.
That's like wanting Dragonball Xenoverse or Ultimate Ninja Storm games to be competitive.
>>322877212
Funny you mention Mien specifically. I've actually suggested that very Pokemon in these threads and get green texted into oblivion.
>>322877363
UU?
if the gameplay is solid, people WILL find a way to make this competitive, just like they found a way to turn smash, an intentionally uncompetitive game with tons of random elements, into a competitive game
if playing on a Wii U gamepad is such a hassle they can always link 2 Wii Us and play them on separate TVs like in the arcades, or maybe even ask Bamco to provide some arcade machines for the tourney purposes (already happened by the way) - there are lots of possibilities
>>322876429
Blame Korea. Literally, South Koreans were the ones that fanvoted another Pikachu get in when they were surveying for anticipated characters.
Fucking Koreans.
>>322877742
Underused tier. Means that competitively other Pokemon in the game could curbstomp it. Legendary trio Pokemon tend to not have OP stats anyway.
>>322878243
The gameplay isn't solid. Don't get your hopes up, man. It's unreleased on consoles but has been out for almost a year now in Japanese arcades. I got to play it myself at Dave and Busters since I live in NYC. It has no depth, it's boring and slow, and it's just a gimmick fighting fame just like the DBZs and Narutos.
They should do like splatoon, releasing new pokémons and content every week
>tfw pokken is flopping in japan and the machines are regularly getting replaced with Dengeki Bunko fightling climax
>>322879473
>releasing new fighters every week
>>322878243
>Nintendo doing system link
Nigga, they don't even have an Ethernet port on the fucking WiiU. What do you want them to do, just host locals with on-site wifi and private match side by side?
>Providing arcades for tourneys
That kills the tourney scene. It means that there will be no locals, there will be more smaller gatherings, all tourneys would require an event big even to warrant the arcade machine. Not to mention you can't use the pro controller on the arcade machines, so practicing in the WiiU would suck ass without shelling out the extra money for a special snowflake controller that can literally only be used on one single game in the whole WiiU library.
It sucks. They fucked the game competitively right out the box. It'd have to be a really good fighter for people to overlook the hassles of properly setting up tourneys for the sake of playing this, and the game really isn't good enough to warrant that.
>>322879796
>shelling out the extra money for a special snowflake controller that can literally only be used on one single game in the whole WiiU library
Wouldn't be the first time
>>322880002
Not even the first time this gen.
>>322867808
>>322859360
Use 2 wiiu's. Problem solved.
>>322879445
That's why I said "if". I like what I'm seeing on the gameplay videos thrown on YT so far, so I'll definitely pick the game up, regardless of whether it turns competitive or not.
>>322879796
Was just throwing some ideas up there. Unless the game is utterly unpopular it will probably get a spot at the annual POP events like it did last year. I mean, fuck, Pokemon VG and TCG are being played competitively and both are rife with infuriating luck elements (including literal coin flips). Pokken would have to pull off some insane shit to not find itself right at home at those events.
>>322878243
You would need one TV and Wii U per person and they would still need to connect to the internet just to play against eachother even though they are in the same room. Now if the Tekken team was able to make the gameplay so good that people would want do this, they would do it for their own series Tekken that saw a massive drop in sales with their last title.
>>322860703
>>322863606
>>322867682
>>322868704
>>322868794
>>322871238
>>322871649
>>322873984
>>322876696
You're all forgetting Nintendo does DLC now. So ALL 720 pokemon will be in, avaible only for 4,99 each.
>>322859360
>Pokemon fighting game
>doesnt even has all pokemen
More hyped for the phone app desu senpai.
reminder that street fighter started with 12 characters
>>322871238
I have a feeling all the Smash mon will get in.
They won't pass up the opportunity for amiibo support.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't shown naruto frog yet.
>>322882886
Greninja is likely going to receive a Mega in Z, so they're probably waiting until the official reveal before confirming him for Pokkenplot twist - Ash-Greninja is the Mega Greninja
>>322883259
Except he isn't because he's already done it in the anime, very obviously without a mega stone or any input from Ash.
>>322883259
Are Mega Evolutions the worst thing to happen to the series to date?
>>322881754
>doesnt even has all pokemen
This should be the standard for every spin-off, but apologists don't want quality games.
>>322881008
This I can let slide since it allowed GameCube controllers to be plugged into PCs without any weird proprietary USB bullshit just straight plug and play. Plus the adapter isn't really expensive and you're most likely going to have a GC controller laying around.
>>322869793
This.
While my wanted bromons like Golurk aren't in the game (yet), I'm not going to go all "W-WHERE'S MY OBSCURE BRO??".
The game will be fairly popular. I am sure it will have a competitive scene, but it might not be super deep and intense, but because of this a lot more people will get into it because they don;t need to get good.
So it will be a fairly popular causal competitive games.
Plus its Pokemon so it is going to get shoved down your throat whether you like it or not.
>>322870080
You can have online matches too you know.
>>322871393
It was never meant to be in FGC. Why are people being so stupid about this? Harada wants it in Worlds, not FGC.
>>322870290
Only an idiot will have that mindset though.
Here's some arcade footage of Sceptile
http://youtu.be/TDLmxx1nyUo
>>322869485
I will laugh every time people will try to play Pokken like Naruto only to get their asses handed to them because this one actually has shit like wall bounces and no dial-a-combos.
>>322870635
not being like tekken =/= complex though
also "Japanese tourney scene"
it already has an assured place, those pokemon events that are always held
>>322875652
>Pokemon with Tekken gameplay
disgusting
Pokemon have shit like fireballs and huge ass laser beams, other than Pokken the fighting styles that fit it are Darkstealkers or Marvel Vs.
>>322879246
I honestly like how they handled Librechu. They made use the fact that she is an electric type so she uses electricity to lift enemies.
>>322879796
I can see them making a "recommended to get the LAN adapter" shit. With that said...
>>322881679
...most likely they'll use the arcades than Wii U for competition, at least for the official Pokemon ones.
>>322887024
Nigga, I'd like to see you use your electrical current to lift shit. Howlucha doesn't need pussy ass magic to toss your ass across the map and flying press your face from the top of the twin towers.
>>322886943
And if it was made by Capcom I would expect them to play similar to those, but instead it's made by the Tekken Team.
>>322887254
That is my point though - Hawlucha doing that would look really weird. Realize that Hawlucha is a manlet.
And don't give me that "Pokemon is meant to look weird" shit. I am talking about possible technical stuff like weird animations due to size difference.
>>322887264
Tekken team also did Smash 4, Soul Calibur, etc.
>>322887254
Yeah but then he would have to be right next to the Pokemon because he would need melee and has tiny limbs.
>>322859360
Play this in a Japanese arcade.
I tried to dual my pal but he accidently got paired with some Japanese kid
The kid was kinda pissed as he was trying to pair up to his friend, but my pal chose a bad time to choose find opponent I guess
Basically the kid fucked him, badly, then he got angry and just threw the controller down on the arcade machine after just the first round
Arcades are serious shit here
>>322884262
Can you even imagine balancing 721 unique characters (and thats before counting alternate forms and Mega Evolutions)?
I swear people here are being retarded on purpose
>>322888834
Or are shitposting.
>>322889219
Or braindead pokefags who can't understand fighting games beyond "i want to play as muh brooooo"
>>322888398
>Japanese kids playing Pokemon
Nice lies
