ITT: rip off games that are better than the ripped off game
What is Dark Cloud supossed to be ripping off? Dungeon crawlers? Roguelikes?
No way are you fucking serious.
Mario btfo
>>322822249
I seriously hope you're not implying Dark Cloud is better than Actraiser.
>>322822410
A long ass time ago people were calling Dark Cloud a Zelda ripoff.
>>322822249
I remember trying it for the first time on PlayStation 2 demo disc. Played it later, it was fun, but gameplay was a bit boring. Also, nostalgia
Diddy Kong Racing
>>322822628
Which makes no fucking sense and never has.
Oh and by the way, none of the so called "not-Zelda that's better than Zelda" are better than Zelda.
>>322822628
Aside from the character on the cover looking kind of elfy the games are nothing alike. About as retarded as calling Zelda a Peter Pan ripoff.
>>322822785
Marioboy spotted
>>322822785
>none of the so called "not-Zelda that's better than Zelda" are better than Zelda.
Darksiders is better than most 3D Zeldas
>>322823031
There is not a single Zelda-like that's actually better than Zelda, sorry. The only one that's even close to being as good as Zelda is Alundra.
>Dark Cloud
>zelda ripoff
what?
>>322823148
That's technically true, due to how flawed most recent games are. That doesn’t mean shit with regards to the heights of quality the series is capable of though.
>>322822249
>2822249▶>>322822571 >>322822703
>ITT: rip off games that are better than the rippe
Wtf did it rip off? There was nothing like it at the time.
>>322822785
>>322823284
I'm just up to the final boos of Alundra right now. It could have matched the median quality of the series, if dreamwalking allowed you to freely interact with the areas inside NPC's minds. Instead, the fact that every character you can dreamwalk gets killed off in the story completely limits the structure of the game for no good reason and makes it a mostly linear slog for at least 2/3rds of the game. There's relatively little emphasis on the kinds of exploration that the better Zelda game's focus on, as its about crawling through a fuck ton of dungeons, half of which you can't go back and re explore.
dark cloud is not a zelda ripoff, it is an actraiser ripoff
>>322822249
>dark cloud
>good
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>>322822249
>>322824027
There's a fair share of exploration, but yeah the game sometimes gets bogged down by bad decisions that Zelda was already getting right for years at that point. My main problem with the game was the often stupid platforming though, but still, it does have plenty strongpoints, hence why I said it's as good as a Zelda.
>>322823857
>>322822249
everything level-5 did was trying to kill another series.
Dark Cloud - Zelda
Layton - Phoenix Wright
LBX - Custom Robo/Pokemon (yeah, I know).
Fantasy Life - Rune Factory
Yo-kai Watch - Pokemon
Let this be a reminder that there is only one way of doing something and all else are clones or trying to kill series outright.
When you can name a game similar to Dark Cloud before Dark Cloud came out, sure. Combining a JRPG with a deep weapon building system (for its time) dungeon crawling and city building was unique for 2000, especially when the vast majority of other JRPGs at the time were turnbased and trying to be Final Fantasy.
There is literally 0 similarities between Zelda and Dark Cloud by the way.
>>322822785
Alundra is better than any Zelda and it's a throughout rip-off
>>322824609
I love Alundra but that's just delusional.
I'll never stop shilling for this game and how it's better than Luigi's Mansion in practically every way.
The concept of going into a room in the mansion and completing a puzzle/beating the boss/sucking up little ghost spirits is done so much better in this game. The puzzles and bosses are incredibly varied compared to Luigi's Mansion, and the mansion feels so much larger and is actually pretty spooky at times.
>>322822249
Phoniex Wright obviously
>>322822785
Okami, Nier, and Alundra are all more enjoyable titles than most Zelda games are. Stay mad.
>>322825026
Inb4 someone argues Phoenix Wright has a good or memorable story or something
>>322824609
Like I said, just played through it and definitely no. It only gets a decent amount of non-linearity over half way through and doesn't stand out over Zelda in any particular aspect. I know it gets praise for the handful of non-trivial logic puzzles it has, but only the idiots who think Zelda is about pushing blocks into holes would think of this as such a huge plus point that it exceeds the series entirely.
>>322825421
>okami
yes
>nier
what the fuck?
>alundra
no
>>322825421
Okami is fucking garbage mate, the game cannot leave you alone to play the game without interrupting you in every single step, and Isshun just cannot help but spoil the solution for every single puzzle. It's more handholdy and tedious than fucking Skyward Sword. Artstyle and atmosphere are really the only things the game has going for it, even the exploration is ruined because everything is so simple and spelled out for you.
And what does Nier have to do with Zelda? I haven't played Nier yet but I've never seen anyone compare it to Zelda.
>>322822249
Phoniex Wright.
I'm joking it's disapointingly mediocre the kind of game you would rent if people still do that
This is the equivalent to saying Viewtiful Joe is a Mario rip off because they both wear red and there is SOME platforming in VJ.
Also
>Dark Cloud is better than Zelda
I pray this is bait.
What are the "really" good Zelda anyways?
LTTP, Link's awakening, Oracles/Season for 2D are the only ones I would call masterpieces
For 3D, no masterpiece really and Skyward is the only Zelda game I ever dropped
>>322825841
>Okami is fucking garbage mate
0/10 stopped reading at least you tried etc
>>322825421
Okami in particular has garbage bin tier gameplay. No I don't care about a game that shares all of TP and SSs worst problems yet is passed off as better than any classic Zelda because 'muh girilllion folded Nippon artstyle'.
>>322825976
Whoops forgot the most important part
>>322826041
Minish Cap is really solid. And so is OoT, MM and TP really.
>>322826115
I've yet to see any Okami fan actually justify why they think it's that good.
>>322822559
Sonic is better yes but when factoring the idea of Sonic which is to basically speedrun the levels Mario somehow still found a way to be faster without even trying. So with that being said Sonic is a huge failure at what it was trying to be.
>>322822365
>>322824354
My nigga
>>322826824
You should read your image.
>>322826479
More like you can't look past your own preconceived bias/faeces in your mouth and so no one wants to bother with you.
>>322823297
Character looks the same
>>322826302
Minish Cap could have been pretty good but it was short and easy, so short it's hard to call it a memorable experience.
OoT, sorry but it doesn't stand the test of time. As the first 3D Zelda it's praiseworthy but playing it now you can see all its shortcomings
Like, the Oku tree, the very first dungeon, is one of the best designed dungeon in the game, because they couldn't be hassled after that.
MM is another thing, I played it again on 3DS and it's hard to call it a great game but the concepts is interesting sure
TP is a game that is FULL of problems like the fact that you get any freedom 3/4 of game in, the horrible wolf part that ruin the pacing, the overworld in general that is pretty boring, etc...
But it has some of the best dungeons in the franchise
Again due to all its flaws it's hard to call it a great game, it's a game that start pretty weak, has a strong mid point and end pretty weak
>>322826824
He didn't write and words though and Undertale is one.
Blood Omen is better than any 2D Zelda
Soul Reaver is better than any 3D Zelda
The Legacy of Kain series is just too good
>>322827078
Name 3 ways
>>322827095
I meant Deku tree obviously
>>322827095
Minish Cap was just plain fun, but I agree. I also agree with OoT desu. As for MM, I heard the 3DS ports messed up some stuff, maybe that was the problem?
As for TP I partly agree, but the absolutely amazing dungeons kinda do it for me. Also the howling parts, midna being the best partner, I don't know, I just have a thing for TP I guess.
>>322827257
LoK would never fit a comparison to Zelda. They are very discerned in what they are. But between the two, yes, LoK is a better game, Blood Omen and Soul Reaver(s).
>>322826479
It is a well made game. The only flaws (beyond being "muh opinion" tier) I can see that would make the game off putting would be the sounds NPCs make, the long ass intro, the bear ball minigame, last blockhead, missable items and maybe the ending/story (though even that would mostly be opinion based as it would require you to know some culture to get it). Also the NG+ items are kinda shitty but I'm sure that is also opinion based as someone out there most likely loved it.
The game isn't perfect but those are literally the only flaws I can think of for the whole game. Comparing to most other games at the time that is pretty good and comparing to most games nowadays it may as well be perfect.
>>322827469
Hat
Ears
Nose
Boom.
>>322827078
>Dark Cloud character looks the same
>He uses a dagger
>Wears a dagger
>wears a poncho
>brown hair
>taller
Sure looks the same as Link to me.
just better in every way
>>322827257
I remember playing Soul Reaver when I was a kid, I simply remember wandering around for a while and ending up god knows where. I should give the series a try someday, do the games hold up?
>>322827925
I meant to say wears a Turban. Whoops.
>>322828019
No. They are extremely bad at gameplay but the voice acting and story are inexorably godlike.
>>322827950
The first game is pretty shit though the final boss is a fucking QTE and absolutely rage inducing
Either I stumbled into a parallel warp somewhere, or it's becoming more obvious that 4chan has been swarmed with children. There's no other reason why this many people should be getting anal about the line between Dark Cloud and Zelda. Dark Cloud was legitimately pitched as a "Zelda killer" in its debut, it's not just an appearance thing you fucking idiots.
>>322823297
>>322822785
This was a /v/ meme before /v/ memes existed
If you were 12 and owned Dark Cloud back when it came out you'd understand
>>322828119
the final boss is hiding behind boxes
the qte is just part of the ending cutscene
>>322827910
LMAO nice try he doesn't even have pointy ears
>>322827776
Viewing the game in terms of how many flaws it doesn't have doens't mean much when the core of the game just isn't any good in the first place. Instead of Zelda style progressive re-explration you are told what to do and handed situation where its completely obvious how you're supposed to use your powers. Golden Sun pulls off this style of gameplay much better.
>>322827910
>link has dagger ears
>dark cloud character has human ears
How blind are you?
>>322828240
But you admit that he HAS ears.
Checkmate.
>>322828173
Except for the part where they play nothing alike.
>>322828185
For some reason I never saw that one commercial(or was it a review?) comparing it to Zelda back then. Maybe it was an US only thing? So at the time I played the game without drawing any comparisons to Zelda.
Fast forward a few years and apparently that game was known as a Zelda-killer, and I never understood why.
>>322828173
I remember magazines saying shit like it would Sony/Playstation's Zelda. That said, it's pretty distinctly different, from setting to gameplay mechanics. I still need to get around to playing Dark Cloud 2.
>>322824213
My niggro nigga
>>322828285
Love Golden Sun but it is literally text spam the game. Gameplay when there was actually gameplay sure but I'll personally take the pacing of Okami anyday.
>>322828218
I know this but the final boss is fucking garbage and kept 1 shot killing me any time I tried to move away from where the developers wanted me to be with his magic sniper rifle that kills from any angle.
The boss is 2 is pretty shit too but still 10 times better than the one in this game.
Haven't finished the 3rd but I expect the boss will be shit as well.
The boss in the Tomb Raider reboot was actually much better than in Uncharted.
>>322828173
Dark Cloud really seems like it's going to be like Zelda when you first play it, then you realise they're barely alike as you understand how it actually plays.
Here morons I remember this magazine,was literally advertised a zelda killer
>>322828576
I don't actually remember who the boss was in uncharted 3
I just wanted to finish it asap whilst stores were still giving decent credit for the trade-in
>>322828019
Yes, both Soul Reaver and Blood Omen stand up really well.
Soul Reaver is seriously well designed and organically composed but it's mostly an exploration based game, it's more comparable to a Metroid than a Zelda really
I'd say that if you can stand the ps1 graphics it stands the test of time pretty well
>>322828762
Maybe you should get the full size image instead of the thumbnail before calling people morons.
>>322828285
>Golden Sun pulls off this style of gameplay much better.
Golden Sun is a fucking horrible game.
Why do you have to invalidate everything you said like that?
>>322828909
It hardly has combat. I'd call it a puzzle platformer.
The writing was incredible.
>>322828285
You are completely right about everything you said but Golden Sun is just abysmal my man.
>>322828473
Also, fuck the Demon Tower in Dark Cloud.Still probably going to do it eventually
>>322828551
People really exaggerate the text. The intro is really slow, a few of the lighthouses have overly long dialogues, and obviously the ending is wordy as fuck. But everything else is paced well. Golden Sun TLA even kind of cut back on the dialogue. Barring Lemuria, holy fuck.
>>322828607
This nigga knows.
>>322824328
Dark cloud was nothing like zelda in any way
>>322828762
Isn't that just the US edition of PSM? I wonder if mags everywhere else also billed it that way.
>>322828909
I still play PS1 games almost mainly so I'll manage.
>>322827950
>>322829258
>But everything else is paced well
No it's not.
Seriously Golden Sun is ridiculous, the only reason it could be referenced by anyone with a brain would be him reminiscing about his first baby rpg on the GBA
Bringing Golden Sun into this is like the worse decision you could do, heck I was even agreeing with you about Okami
>>322826041
I think OoT and MM are borderline masterpieces if you can endure the unskippable dialogue and cutscenes. Because the visuals and pacing haven't aged well, it would be incredibly easy for Nintendo to make a superior 3D game, but they always want to include gimmicks or hand-holding that ruin the overall experience. If they made a "modern" OoT with better pacing/enemy population, it would be a masterpiece as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully the new game will be something along those lines.I'm sure it will be a casualized mess, though.
>>322829693
Be serious, OoT isn't close to being a masterpiece.
A true masterpiece stands the test of time, you can call it a pioneer or a first great effort or a very impressive game for its time but a masterpiece it is not
>>322828762
>plays nothing like zelda
>main character looks nothing like zelda other that the green hat.
how was it a zelda clone?
>>322829653
Not the same anon you were originally talking to, but Golden Sun is pretty decent, if not simplistic. The Lost Age was a great sequel, and improved a lot of things about the game. Dark Dawn is shit. The original is just decent.
>>322829653
I'm bringing up the GS series because it actually does a relatively decent job of having you use your powers in the environment despite all the other flaws it has.
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>>322830073
>>322829363
people take a quick glance and come to assumptions without actually looking into a series.
So green elf-like protagonists? ZELDA COPY!
Collectable monsters? POKEMON COPY!
The cycle is complete shit.
>>322830330
You could have used Oracles/Seasons rather than that trash
>>322828576
>The boss in the Tomb Raider reboot was actually much better than in Uncharted.
But it was just a qte though, unless you're referring to that giant samurai, which was a shitty copypasted fight from that early one against the other giant guy.
>>322829693
>if you can endure the unskippable dialogue and cutscenes
That's only the slightest bit of the problem if you're trying to rush through the game. It's a deliberately paced experience without excessive story.
>incredibly easy for Nintendo to make a superior 3D game
>>322829934
>OoT isn't close to being a masterpiece.
I seriously doubt this. There are so many collective aspects in which OoT isn't close to being surpassed.
>>322830852
>I seriously doubt this. There are so many collective aspects in which OoT isn't close to being surpassed.
Like what?
>>322830753
That's a given since we're already comparing it to Zelda in general. I'm saying that even a game like GS handles its core gameplay better than Okami does, that's how weak it is. I'm not holding up Golden Sun as a masterpiece.
