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>>322636372
linear game confirmed
>>322636372
I thought it was borrowing from Hamlet?
I don't care.
Give us more Dragon Quest XI news.
So from what I understand, the development philosophy for FFXV is "take everything that's popular from the last half decade and smush it together"?
>>322636681
You're thinking of Versus XIII
>>322636372
I thought it couldn't get any worse. But you did it, Tabata.
>>322636719
Well it's not like it hasn't worked for FF in the past
>>322636372
Hopefully the storytelling won't be a mess like The Witcher 3.
I hope FF15's world is not-so opened.
>>322636719
I thought the development philosophy for XV was do the exact opposite of anything XIII did mechanically.
>>322636372
as if i wasn't expecting the game to be shit enough already
INCOMING SOB STORY ABOUT PARENTING FOR 2016 GOTY
Worst of all it probably won't even be remotely as good as TLOU
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>>322636758
How can I play the demo without spending any money?
>>322636713
do they keep the dragon quest guy in a cage or something last time they brought him out, he looked like he was dying.
>>322636976
The last of us made him fuck his daughter?
>>322637021
dunno
>>322636372
>tlou inspiration for a hap gane
so it's going to be a comedy? cause japs can't do what tlou pulled off, not saying tlou is a good game but they just cant
>>322637021
I'd imagine if you had a friend who has the demo download you might be able to get them to put it on your PS4/Xbox
>>322636372
>weebs will think this is a bad thing
All it means is that the boys might converse amongst themselves in times of low action and that they will position themselves and interact with the environment differently.
>>322636976
Is this the beginning of an epin new meme?
>>322637021
I didn't like the demo, something about the combat felt clunky as hell.
>We kept Nomura's original vision for the story he said
lmao
>>322636372
Remember when they said FFXIII design was drawing from western games like FPS? It trained me to only take everything Square says under the lens of the worst possible scenario.
Nothing says something is wrong quite like a game taking inspiration from another game that started development, was finished and was released after your game started development.
>>322637140
Sounds like you don't play a lot of japanese games, if any at all.
meaningless lipservice, he's namedropping something popular in an interview to try to get more people to look at the game. it's been in development long before Last of Us was ever a blip on the radar, it's doubtful it could have any meaningful impact for that reason but also because it didn't actually do anything original, interesting or revolutionary.
>>322637021
If you want to try it for gameplay - don't. I mean, after learning that it was KH Tokyo Team (guys who made KH1, KH:CoM GBA version and KH2) who made the gameplay part, I expected much more than I got. I mean, how can you make a combat system that's way worse than your previous combat systems? It's clunky, boring and empty in the demo. They said something about changing it a lot, but I don't really believe that something's gonna change drastically. It reminds me of combat systems from Tabata's games (which I don't really like - Crisis Core, 3rd Birthday, Type-0), not the combat systems from Nomura's games.
But that's just me, I guess.
>>322637967
They already got rid of tons of shit from when it was Versus XIII, both gameplay and story. Wouldn't be surprised if the hack just ripped off The Last of Us and various other games because he couldn't make anything work like Nomura wanted.
I don't understand the obsession of Japanese devs being such cucks. You got shit like this, Kojima wanting to make MGS into a GTA/Skyrim type game. Resident Evil wanting to be like Call of Duty. The only authentic things coming from Japan are moe anime shit type games.
>>322636372
The Last of Us of Final Fantasy
>>322636976
my emotional reaction to beating last of us was "so that was the bad ending i guess?"
i replayed the end level trying to find a way to get a better ending and then discovered there is only one ending, and felt gipped.
>>322638273
>tons of shit
You mean a character you knew nothing about and the gameplay that was shit out for a press conference and wasnt actually tied to any real game becausw it never fucking existed?
>>322637073
lol
cant unsee
>>322638414
sales
the west still buys big budget titles
and western recognition
devs can be stars in the west, not in japan
>>322636976
POST THE EDIT, MY DICK IS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
>>322638143
This means the VII remake is going to be shit. As expected. Square just can't do shit right any more. Lazy fucks.
>>322636882
Witcher 3 storytelling is far from a mess.
In any case as long as it's not inspired by FF13 it'd be good.
>>322641012
That doesn't make any sense.
(Demo of) Game X is in someone's opinion bad -> (Complete) Game Y is going to be shit too! Fucking lazy assholes!
>>322641559
VII uses the same combat system as XV. Or have you not been paying attention?
>>322636372
>no source
>people still take the bait
archive link
https://archive.is/iO88a
>>322641646
>Or have you not been paying attention?
Have you paid any attention?
>>322636572
inb4 some faggots claiming old ff titles were all linear. Sure, the plot progression is linear but you dont have to follow through small narrows paths like FFX and FFXIII. You could always explore inside dungeons and cities.
>>322642893
>IT'S NOT LINEAR EVEN THOUGH IT IS LINEAR
Jesus Christ.
FFX had different paths that ended with dead ends too so what's the difference?
>>322636372
>In an interview with Examiner, Tabata said the studio is aiming to deliver a narrative "where the gameplay and storytelling are really one in the same," noting "it's important that the story progresses through the gameplay in a very unforced way, in a similar way that it was done with The Last of Us."
So literally nothing.
>>322642893
Define explore. Cause you sure as fuck didnt explore shit in FF4, 5, 7, and 9. The dungeons were all straight corridors with sometimes branching ends that lead to dead ends. FF11, 12, 14(ARR) and from the looks of it 15 are the only ones that are actually open.
>>322636372
AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW
This shit keeps getting better.
>>322636372
So it tells an actual coherent story? Thank god.
Honestly I'm more interested in FF remakes now, maybe a remake of 9 will be good.
>>322636914
But you can't control your party members in either.
>>322638414
It's because Japan used to be king of vidya, and they've been usurped by talentless western developers. Their solution is to copy what is popular.
I'm a little sick of games being compared to/being "influenced" by last gen games simply because they sold well
TLOU and Skyrim being the biggest perps.
>>322636372
>inferior weeb devs being influenced by superior western devs
What else is new
>>322640880
Sorry pal, i don't have the edit
>>322643186
It is something. It means it is going to be a cinematic experience where half the time you're just walking forward listening to characters talk before it lets you actually play.
>>322647607
>cinematic experience
So...like most FF games?
> where half the time you're just walking forward listening to characters talk before it lets you actually play.
That's not what was shown in the demo.
>>322636572
It's an open world game.
>>322647868
>So...like most FF games?
No. The gameplay in an FF game is generally clearly segregated between gameplay sections and story sections. Games like the Last of Us seamlessly blend the two by replacing most cutscenes with walking-forwards scenes
>That's not what was shown in the demo.
It's a demo where you fuck around. It's not representative of the final product.
>>322648024
>denying most FF games were cinematic experiences
?
>>322637967
The thing he is talking about is seamless cutscene to gameplay narrative elements which are already in XV and were talked about ever since it was Versus
He is just naming TLoU because that is a recent game that does something similar.
>>322638273
This sort of thing was always planned for the game
> both gameplay and story
They changed character switching into a menu based command input, Noctis's combat from Versus is still the same systems while only expanded, and for story they only changed one character into a slightly different character, the overall story is still the same.
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>>322648073
For the love of christ continue this shit here, its way better than what actually goes on in these threads
>>322644840
Did you even read the article?
He's talking about something that is already in the demo, where the story elements blend seamlessly with the gameplay, which is what they had planned it to do ever since Versus, and he only mentioned TloU because it's a recent game that was popular that did that too so people would understand exactly what he means.
>>322642893
>You could always explore inside dungeons and cities.
And you can do that in XV too, XV is open world and it has dungeons and towns scattered all throughout the world.
>>322647607
No he's talking about the characters talking and blending narrative elements during regular gameplay which they already do in the demo.
Say something about Type-1 already, fucking christ.
>>322636758
It's still the same overall story, only one character was changed into a slightly different character
>>322636681
Yes it is, Tabata isn't talking about story elements from TloU being in XV, he is saying that how narrative and gameplay blend seamlessly is something XV does and he used TloU as an example of a recent game that did something similar.
>>322636372
When you have to draw inspiration from something, it's good to draw from the best.
>you will never be XV-kun forcibly raping Kagari into liking FFXV
>>322648848
It's difficult to say. Japanese developers say a lot while meaning nothing.
>>322636781
Can you not read?
>>322637363
But they are, again can you not read the fucking article?
What Tabata is saying here is exactly the same fucking thing Nomura said back in 2011 about story and gameplay mixing seamlessly
Tabata is not talkign about taking story elements from TloU, he's talking about a story telling device which is story mixed into the gameplay itself, where the characters talk during combat, banter, different situations like in the Behemoth quest or in dungeons, etc
>>322649198
>you will never be XV-kun and be unable to enjoy any other series than FF, and only a couple of them
i can deal
>>322637523
That is not what he said at all.
Do you people even read the fucking articles?
>>322648746
FUCK THIS CAVE
F U C K T H l S C A V E
Anyone got an Episode Duscae key to give/sell?
>>322637489
Didn't that mainly have to do with the linearity or something like that?
>>322617367
To this guy, the point is we've known about the existing of FFXV (previously Versus XIII) for 10 years, and it's apparently been worked on all this time. So yes, P5 has been delayed twice, but let's be honest here, the objective bad thing about delays is we have to wait longer. Who is the bigger offender, particularly when you consider when either was introduced to the public? FFXV, by a mile. Hell, P5 may come out earlier and I doubt it will be a disappointment. I'm not so confident about XV though.
>>322636372
As bad as you idiots think it is without reading the article, it's at least a step up from XIII's datalogsjust like literally anything else.
>>322649843
People who rag on japanese games always ignore these masterpieces. Yakuza deserves so much more love than they get.
>>322650220
People who rag on Japanese games are the same crowd that refuse to buy anything that isn't marketed 24/7 so they can brag about buying it on social media.
>>322650042
>and it's apparently been worked on all this time.
It hasn't
It was a concept by less than 10 people and on hold from 2006-2010, no game existed then, had few months pre alpha in 2010 by 20 devs in their spare time, put on hold late 2010 after FF14 tanked and SE shuffled around to fix that, started up and rebooted as XV in mid 2012 and got 200+ member dev team then and only then and has been in full development ever since
P5 was confirmed to have started full development in 2010 when Catherine just finished, and it has been delayed twice already
XV started full actual development in mid 2012 when it got an actual 200+ member dev team and moved to PS4 and it hasn't ever been delayed, the 2016 release was set since 2012 as the intended release and that is what they've always been working towards.
XV while being known to the public for longer was not in actual development that entire time.
>>322650042
>Atlus’ Katsura Hashino(Personaseries)
>"We’ll safely releasePersona 5in 2016… I think."
http://gematsu.com/2016/01/japanese-creators-share-2016-ambitions-weekly-famitsu
>>322650625
>P5 was confirmed to have started full development in 2010 when Catherine just finished, and it has been delayed twice already
>Confirmed
Preperation for development only begun at the end of 2010.
>>322650625
>It takes almost 4 years to make a FF game on a 200 man team.
That's fucking crazy. What an absolute inflation of dev time and effort compared to PSX FFs. Sometimes I wish they scaled down, made the teams smaller, games less ambitious so we wouldn't have to wait half a decade per installment.
>>322649842
Yeah.
>>322651201
FF7 took 3 years
>>322651201
That doesn't seem that outrageous for most games nowadays.
>>322636372
ABANDON SHIP
>>322650625
According to the Wikipedia page, which is fully sourced, FFXV begun in 2006 as Versus 13, was worked on for two years, and had the staff working on 13 in a part time basis during this. The game WAS being worked on during this time.
>>322636372
This was already in Duscae
>characters talk to each other in the field
>transition between gameplay and cutscene is seemless
That's the storytelling they're talking about.
This is nothing new and you're all making brazen and reactionary assumptions solely because it mentioned The Last of Us.
>>322636372
What the fuck is this game anymore? Hasn't it been in the making for 10 years or something and they're still changing major shit about the game?
I'll be surprised if this game doesn't suck major dick.
>tfw we'll never get Nomura's musical version of FFXV because of shitty higher ups
LET THE MAN DO WHAT HE WANTS
>>322651516
Read the fucking article, he is talking about story and gameplay blending seamlessly which XV has already been doing and was stated to be doing since it was Versus, and he only used TloU as an example of another recent game that did it.
>>322636572
I fucking wish. Tired of generic open world games filled with boring as shit sidequests and and a barebones main story.
>>322651273
We also had FF7-FF8-FF9 with about a year or so in between them. Three FF games for the time it takes to release one FF game today.
>>322651364
Unfortunately not. I hope SE finds a way to make their dev cycles more efficient so we don't have to wait 7 years for the next FF game.
>>322651623
>People not reading the article and posting dumb comments
>>322651742
this
I used to be excited about big open worlds, now they just mean 20 more hours of running around than usual.
I will say that it is better than the linearity of XIII though
>TLOU is a bad game maymay
I know it's overrated as all hell but come on now
>>322651742
>XIII comes out
>IT'S LINEAR HOW FUCKING TERRIBLE OHHHHH
>xv comes out
>IT'S OPEN WORLD HOW FUCKING TERRIBLE OHHHH
>>322651539
>wikipedia
Are you fucking serious?
Versus was announced in 2006 but no game existed, it was not in actual development, it had a story concept and CG trailer done by less than 10 people and that is all that existed from 2006 to 2010
In 2010 20 devs in their spare time made a prealpha build of the game before FF14 tanked and the whole of SE was reshuffled to fix that
In mid 2012 they were free'd and so they mixed those 20 devs with the Type-0 dev team and some other people around SE to form the 200+ FFXV team in mid 2012, that is when full development began and when Versus was rebooted into XV
The game was not in full active development until mid 2012 when it became XV.
>>322651914
I think there's a fine line that a few games walk. Earlier JRPG games that presented the illusion of freedom by letting the player walk around a city for a while until they trigger a certain sequence weren't any more open than FF13 necessarily, but giving the player a breather was a remarkable illusion of it.
>>322651884
>no link to article in OP
>thinks people somehow magically know where the article is hosted
oh anon u dumb whore.
>>322651623
Why the fuck can't you retards fucking read?
This is something that was already in XV and was already in the demo, it was something Nomura mentioned they would be doing back in 2011 too
He only used TloU as an example of a game that does something similar, not that they are basing their game or story on TloU
>>322652046
In that case, change the Wikipedia article with your much more concrete sources then. I don't know much about the game at all, but the Wikipedia page and its development page was the first result, so there you go.
>>322651539
>In 2008, it was reported that development was put on hold so the team could complete Final Fantasy XIII. This information was later clarified as a mistranslation, with the actual situation being that developers from the Versus XIII team were helping with XIII in their spare time, with development on both games going according to their original schedules.[15] By June 2010, Nomura reported that the game’s story, and the character and clothing designs had been completed. By June 2011, the game was reportedly still only in the pre-production phase.[13] Full production on Versus XIII began in September of that year.[16] According to later staff, Versus XIII was only 20-25% complete when the change of name and platform took place, with Tabata saying that the game "never really took shape".[17][18]
That's true, but most of that time doesn't really mean anything if it was still in pre-production after 5 years.
>>322651753
FF8 was in development for 3 years
FF9 was in development for 3 years
FF12 was in development for 5 years
FF13 for 6 years
FF games are always made by alternating and different dev teams, they don't start one up only once the previous one is done.
XV will have been 4 years full development by the time it is out this year.
>>322652406
Pre-production is part of the development cycle.
>>322652093
or at the very least, they didn't have minimaps up in the corner showing how linear the path actuallye was
>>322652462
>FF8 was in development for 3 years
Only 1 of those years were full development
>FF9 was in development for 3 years
Only 1 of those years were full development
>FF12 was in development for 5 years
Only 2 of those years were full development
>FF13 for 6 years
Only 3 of those years were full development
>XV will have been 4 years full development by the time it is out this year.
6 years pre-production and 4 years "full development"
>>322636713
It'll undoubtedly be more entertaining. I only got into Dragon Quest last year and can't believe how consistent and overall good it's managed to be since 1986. I just hope more PS4 exclusives that'll interest me are announced before it comes out, because I can't buy a system for two games.
>>322652462
Yeah but unlike now, those games were released back-to-back. From '96 to '01 we got four mainline FF games. The best FF games too. From 2009 to 2016, we had one FF game. A mediocre one too. God knows how long FFXVI will take.
>>322652673
Those games are not only less intensive graphically, tech wise etc, but also required less work in comparison to game of XVs scale would
>>322652462
>FF8 was in development for 3 years
I don't know about the others, but story planning for FF8 didn't even begin until FF7 was getting translated (Early 1997), and development didn't start until 1998.
>>322652462
>XV will have been 4 years full development by the time it is out this year.
>Being THIS retarded.
The game was announced may 2006. It will release 10 years after it's announcement. Just like Duke Nukem Forever or Too Human, but those turned out to be great too, right?
>>322652846
3D graphics and shit when you have no experience in 3D graphics is a pretty big undertaking.
>>322652662
you tried DQIV yet?
I have been playing through the android releases and I'm halfway through IV now.
Fuck damn, for a game that came out in 92, this was pretty fucking impressive with its different stories
>saving children as a knight
>fighting in a tournament as a tomboy princess
>earning phat money as a jew merchant for you wife and child
>exacting revenge for your father as 2 hot gypsy girls
>finally get to be the Hero I named as myself, find the rest of the guys you played as in the earlier chapters and the real game begins there to save the world
best transit games ever. DQ1, 2 and 3 were amazing too.
>>322652462
>XV will have been 4 years full development by the time it is out this year.
3 years in "full development" they released a demo so that they could get fan feedback because they still don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Usually it's good that devs listen to fans but at this point of XV's 10 year development hell, this doesn't really raise confidence toward the devs now does it.
>>322652624
But it's not even really 6 years, it was more like Nomura spent a few days doing some character designs and a few weeks coming up with story ideas, then they had two CGI trailers made by three people over which in all took a few months to make
You are basically trying to count something that amounted to a few months at most but were spread through 6 years as being 6 years worth of work, that isn't how it works.
It's like saying the GBA version of Mother 3 was in development since the 90s because it had some concepts with the n64
>>322652978
>>Being THIS retarded.
>By June 2011, the game was reportedly still only in the pre-production phase.[13] Full production on Versus XIII began in September of that year.
>>322652462
>In development used for earlier FF games, including pre-production and concept stages
>The term "full development" used for XV to make it seem more reasonable
You sneaky bastard.
>>322653181
Well according to the sources I'm looking at, the game WAS being worked on between 2006 and 2008, and again from 2010 to 2011, then again from early 2012 to present.
Got a source to prove that it was indeed only "a few months at most" but were spread through 6 years?
>>322653161
it was also one of the first JRPG's to let you play as a woman instead of a guy, if you wanted to
DQV is also amazing tier. I envy how you get to experience them all for the first time
>>322636372
Dropped harder than anything by Bethesda.
>>322652978
I literlaly just explained to you the development, it has been 4 actual years of game development
From 2006 to 2010 NO GAME EXSITED, it was literally just a story concept with two CG trailers animated by three people while two people did some story concepts, no game was ever in development, these were just things peopel did in their spare time.
It was only in 2010 that twenty devs in their spare time made a prealpha build, then in late 2010 all of SE was reshuffed to fix FF14 after it tanked
In late September 2011 some Versus devs were freed and started working on some Versus stuff for 7 months, then in mid 2012 those Versus devs were mixed with the Type-0 team when Versus was rebooted into FFXV to form XVs 200+ member team, got a budget and that is when FFXV started full development as an 8th gen and moved to PS4/Xbone/DX11 based
>>322653179
No they released the demo and then updated it with things they said they literaly were already going to put in and fixing things that the devs themsleves already noticed, all the 2.0 update stuff in the demo was stuff the devs put in before they even read the feedback, it just so happened that the fan feedback was about the same things that they added and fixed in the 2.0 update.
You obviously haven't been following the game at all.
>>322653813
Pre-production is still part of the development cycle. Just because the game wasn't bootable it doesn't mean it wasn't worked on.
>>322653161
I've played I-IX. Yeah, IV really impressed me, though III is what really got me into the series.
VI was honestly pretty boring for some reason. Still can't call it a bad game exactly.
>>322653179
>Usually it's good that devs listen to fans but at this point of XV's 10 year development hell, this doesn't really raise confidence toward the devs now does it.
It's a good thing they did, because what they were going for in the demo was fucked.
>>322653421
Not him, but the game only being 20-25% complete in 5 years sounds like it was spread out pretty thin.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/08/31/pax-2015-versus-13-was-20-25-done-before-it-became-final-fantasy-15
>“It’s a little bit rough, but in terms of how much it had progressed in terms of development, Versus XIII was around 20 to 25 percent,” Tabata told IGN via translator. “In terms of character designs or visuals, nothing really had been fixed at that point. We were still working on updating it and revising those designs.”
>>322653813
Give me some sources, what you're saying is completely different from what's on the Wikipedia page.
>>322654029
dude no one in this thread has been following the game as hard as you. Post your sources while you talk about it, so the rest of us can follow
I would especially like a source on what you just said about the things that was put in 2.0 not being based on the feedback
>>322642893
Towns in previous games were small as fuck and especially linear in the PS1 days.
>>322653421
Because they had literally 25% complete of Versus
Whatever they showed each time was all they had done.
The CGI teaser we saw in 2006 was all that existed, Nomura literally said the game is 0% done back in 2006
In March 2011 Nomura literally said that the game hadn't entered full development yet either
No game existed in 2006, 2007, 2008 or 2009
They only made a pre alpha prototype in 2010 when some devs did in their spare time, they showed off this prealpha prototype in the 2011 January trailer, then in March 2011 Nomura said they have not entered full development yet
Then in October 2011 Type-0 released, and around this time Versus produced resumed, 7 months passed and Versus and Type-0 team merge to form the FFXV team, full development on FFXV begins in mid 2012 and this is when and only when they had 200+ devs making the game and have been since.
>>322654257
wait you played from I to IX in 1 year??
seriously?
>>322654435
Sources.
>>322654376
Watch the ATRs, read the interviews, this shit is freely available.
>>322636372
Probably means the story exposition during "gameplay" and good cutscene->gameplay transitions.
>>322654516
Well, it was actually a period of 10 months, taking breaks now and then. It wasn't so hard for the earlier ones, they went by pretty fast.Would have moved slightly faster if I hadn't played them in Japanese.
>>322654435
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2008/06/19/final-fantasy-versus-not-put-on-hold/
>>322654535
ATR, interviews with Nomura and Tabata
>>322654646
point me to the one where you read that part. I don't have time to slog through all of it
>>322654516
FF games aren't that long anon.
50 hours each give or take..? For example, I finished FF6 GBA on a long weekendbecause honestly, the story was THAT compelling, I literally couldn't put it down
>>322654762
Except Nomura has literally said himself that it had been.
And in March 2011 Nomura literally said that Versus has not entered full development yet.
Versus and Type-0 team merged in mid 2012 and that is when they started full development on XV as an 8th gen game.
>Game not even close to done after like 10 years now
>They have to keep reminding everyone that the game exists
>Barely on the post-test phases
>Already changed story
>Barely any non-promotion information about what has changed with the gameplay itself
>BARELY DONE MAKING THE GAME AFTER 10 YEARS
>Comparing what they want to do with western shit
Call me crazy, but this game might end up shit. The development time was just too much.
>>322654756
thats impressive
>>322654879
we were talking about Dragon Quest actually
>>322654805
Okay well, FFv13 and by extension FFXV were in development from 2006 onwards.
Sources - interviews with Noruma, statements by SE execs, and various press releases.
>>322654816
May 2015 ATR is the feedback one
They talk about the additions to the June 2.0 update with basically everything being things Tabata is saying they were already working on or things that the dev team already noticed and wanted to fix when they play tested it themselves
He said they were already doing all those 2.0 fixes since before they even read the fan feedback.
>>322655013
>we were talking about Dragon Quest actually
Oh my bad.
Yeah, fuck, a year for all that...? Goddamn that's pretty impressive.
>>322654945
Show sources then if it's not too difficult?
>>322655112
thanks, I'll look into it
>>322654945
>“Reports that development for Final Fantasy Versus XIII is on hold are false,”
>“The truth of the situation is that when free, some staff from the Versus team have been helping with the XIII team on development of Final Fantasy XIII. Development for both titles is continuing as originally scheduled.”
>>322654969
Game is in beta state and already stated to be playable from start to finish last month, they are going to give out the release date in March, the game is feature complete already and they said they will be showing the XV at its truest in March the same time they give out the release date
Game has only been in full development since Mid 2012
The story changes were only to one character changed into a slightly different character which only modified the intro slightly, the overall story is still the same and they already stated they are sticking as closely as possible to the Versus story
They are going to be showcasing the magic system and give out new details about the Niflheim side in this months ATR, as well as new combat with the manual weapon switching and aerial combat
Keep shit posting you clueless fuck
>>322652673
Knowing SE, FFXVI is probably already being worked on.
This is what I'll predict
2016: FFXV
2017: KH3
2018: FXVI
>>322655017
I already proved you wrong
XV has in full development since mid 2012
Versus was nothing but a concept on hold from 2006 to 2010
Had prealpha prototype for a few months in 2010
On hold again and then was rebooted as XV in mid 2012 when they merged the Versus and Type-0 team to form a 200 member dev team, it has only been in full development as XV and 8th gen game since mid 2012.
Announcement is not the same thing as development.
>>322655163
The sources were already posted
>>322655531
>Game is in beta state and already stated to be playable from start to finish last month, they are going to give out the release date in March, the game is feature complete already and they said they will be showing the XV at its truest in March the same time they give out the release date
2017 then
>Game has only been in full development since Mid 2012
"Full development" since 2011, "development" since 2006
>The story changes were only to one character changed into a slightly different character which only modified the intro slightly, the overall story is still the same and they already stated they are sticking as closely as possible to the Versus story
Tabata is literally quoted as saying they took over certain elements of V13 but not everything.
>They are going to be showcasing the magic system and give out new details about the Niflheim side in this months ATR, as well as new combat with the manual weapon switching and aerial combat
Cool
>>322655317
Except again that is bullshit because Nomura literally fucking said himself that it is on hold
And again Nomura literally fucking said himself in March 2011 that Versus was not in full development yet
And we already know for a fact that Versus and Type-0 team merged in mid 2012 to form the FFXV team and that is when FFXV started full development
>>322655715
Again, how about posting sources then?
>>322655874
Saying "Nomura said this" is not providing a source.
>>322655991
>Press release statement in English from Square Enix isn't true enough because Nomura said some shit in a roughly translated interview
>>322640880
I dont get this epin meme, fill me in kids.
>>322655931
>2017 then
It's already confirmed for 2016, multiple times.
>"Full development" since 2011, "development" since 2006
No, full development as XV since mid 2012, everything prior to that was just a concept done in peoples spare time, it was not in active development until mid 2012
>Tabata is literally quoted as saying they took over certain elements of V13 but not everything.
Tabata literally fucking stated in the June 2015 ATR that they are sticking as closely as possible to the Versus story and that only two changes were made, that was Stella Nox Fleurets's role changed and replaced into Luna Nox Fleurets's role and that only modified the intro slightly so that Noctis is outside of Insomnia instead of inside Insomnia during the invasion, the story still follows the original Versus story as closely as possible and the overall story is still the same as we always knew it.
>>322655931
>2017 then
No, the release date is 2016
>>322656467
>Games don't get delayed
Anon pls
>>322656052
The sources were already provided, no one needs to fucking spoonfeed you.
QUALITY THREAD
>>322655931
No, they confirmed that XV will be released in 2016
>>322656557
Oh so you're talking shit. Cool. Thanks for confirming
>M-maybe if I stall hard enough people will believe me and stop asking for a source!
>>322656551
Well the entire game is "playable" as it is now. I assume they're debugging and optimizing it now.
>>322656557
Saying "Nomura said in an interview" isn't providing a source.
>>322656551
The game was confirmed for 2016 back in August last year during the ATR livestream at PAX, then they showed the driving video which again stated coming 2016, and then reconfirmed for 2016 again in September ATR again, and also in the Dawn 2.0 trailer stating coming 2016, and then they stated XV will release in 2016 again in SEs anual financial report, and then again at Comic Fiesta in December 2015 confirming it is coming out in 2016, and then again in January 2016 Tabata confirmed it is coming out in 2016, and he has stated that they are holding an event in March 2016 to reveal the 2016 release date
The 2016 release has been set as the date since it started full development in 2012.
>>322656557
>"go watch hours and hours of ATR"
>"go read ten or twenty interviews"
what is stopping you from just posting the sources to the things you say? You already
set up your posts in an almost
list like way. There is plenty of room
in your posts to post a source or two every
now and then
I thought /v/s problem with TLoU was that it's a movie without gameplay. Why are you mad now?
>>322656981
Again
>Games don't get delayed
>>322656665
I literlaly told you the fucking sources, you can google the phrasing, find this shit on your own, even the fucking bit of Nomura confirming Versus had not entered full development yet in 2011 is in this fucking thread you blind cunt
>>322656953
Are you fucking blind?
Seriously here, even one from fucking July 2011 Nomura stated Versus was not in full development yet
http://www.wired.com/2011/07/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-update/
>>322642893
You are fucking retarded. Most "JRPGs" are linear narrative stories. So shut the fuck up. This ain't any different.
>>322653181
My question is why the fuck did they even announce Versus XIII if that was all they did? To hype people up for a 10+ year project.
Really the only time that should really matter is from conception to release, and announcement to release. 6 years "pre-development" is still development. It's like taking six years to decide on a project topic. This is fine, if you DON'T FUCKING ANNOUNCE IT TO YOUR CONSUMERS the moment you think you're going to work on it. We shouldn't have even caught wind of it until 2011. Really, you should be announcing a game when the actual coding has made some progress, since from a PR standpoint, it doesn't necessarily matter to the casual player how long you actually spent, but how long it took you to get it to them after we first learn of it. From this standpoint 10+ years is unacceptable. The company itself should be the only one's really caring about how long the total development process takes place. And 6 years just for character designs, scenario planning, story, etc, nothing actually concrete and programmed, is unacceptable. That's a lot of time, money, and other resources. I'm not sure how much money typically goes into a FF game, or how much money each rakes in, but I can imagine sales would have to be astronomical to make a profit. Which, given the popularity, should be realizable, whether you think FF is deserving of it or not
>>322657436
>I literlaly told you the fucking sources, you can google the phrasing
That's not sourcing your shit
>>322657436
>http://www.wired.com/2011/07/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-update/
Congratulations, was that so hard? Now do it for every other stupid claim you've made.
>>322657109
How about you watch the fucking ATRs? How about you just fucking google search interviews and read them all?
>>322657670
Because, as stated,
>>322657109
>>"go watch hours and hours of ATR"
>>"go read ten or twenty interviews"
Is not a reasonable request. Not everyone's a die hard fan and just want reasonably sourced information to take away.
>>322657226
XV is already confirmed playable from start to finish, they already confirmed they are right on schedule, it's not getting delayed.
>>322657626
They didn't forsee FF13 and Crystal Tools being such a cluster fuck.
>>322657834
Again
>Games don't get delayed
Also adding
>Devs don't lie
I don't give a shit about TLOU but please for the love of god don't use the l'cie, fal'cie bullshit that was in FFXIII
>>322657930
>all devs are liars.
>>322657828
Yes it fucking is, the ATRs are pure direct statements about development that answer all the fucking shit you need to know, if you actually claim to be interested in the development then go fucking watch the ATRs and read interviews
>>322657930
>B-BUT DEVS LE LIE XD
Proof that they are lying about it coming out in 2016? Despite not only the company CEO stating it, the financial report stating it but the director of the game reconfirming it literally every month since August 2015 that XV is coming out in 2016? Even fucking today he reconfirmed it is coming out in 2016.
>>322657670
I can see that there are at least 6 ATR's and each of them are about 1½ hours long.
I aint got time for that go fuck yourself, fucking learn to post proper sources instead of posting shit like it is fact without providing a direct source.
>>322658108
>if you actually claim to be interested in the development then go fucking watch the ATRs and read interviews
But I'm not, this has been established because I read the Wikipedia page to familiarise myself with it. I have a tertiary interest in FFXV at best, and you're making it extremely difficult to learn more information about it.
>Go watch hours of a presentation
How about no?
>>322648746
I don't really get why everything needs a particle effect, especially since the particles look vaguely "digital"
I really hope it isn't some kind of weird lore thing
>>322658348
>>322658348
You spend your time on /v/ so yes you do have the time.
The sources are the fucking ATRs, direct dev statements, interviews, fuck off you clueless faggot, do your proper research or fuck off.
>>322658371
So you are a clueless cunt who is ignoring facts like Nomura litelraly stating that Versus had not yet even entered full development back in 2011?
>>322636372
DROPPED.
FFXV will go down, along with KH3, as the biggest fiasco of all time.
>>322658601
>So you are a clueless cunt who is ignoring facts like Nomura litelraly stating that Versus had not yet even entered full development back in 2011?
>Facts
>Full development
Development begun in 2006. Are you blind? It literally begun the development cycle in 2006, ie, pre-production.
>>322658540
The digital effect is intentional on the potions and recovery items.
Has any game had as messy of a development as XV?
Aside from Douk of course.
>>322658805
>doesn't even touch the creature
>loses half his health
>>322658897
Mother 3 sounds like it was a bit of a nightmare
>>322658739
Read the fucking article you fucking retard
He is talking about story and gameplay blending seamlessly like characters talking during combat, with banter and dialogue during gameplay, which XV ALREADY FUCKING DOES and it is something Nomura talked about back in 2011
He is only bringing up TloU as an example of another game that does something similar, not that they are taking elements from TloU
>>322657924
I'm pretty sure they foresaw giving XIII two unnecessary sequels
>>322658108
>if you actually claim to be interested in the development
the fuck
All I wanna know is if you are bullshitting me. Not 3 years worth of marketing.
If someone asks you about a part of WWII, you don't direct them to all of it and expect them to be committed to plough through it. You direct them to that part.
>>322659010
>Hey I heard you talking about the pacific theater and there was something you said that I've never seen a mention of, can you give me a source?
>HERE'S A BOOK ON WW2 I AIN'T SPOONFEEDING YOU CUNT
Inspiration FOR THE STORY
Not that I give a shit about FF but fucking learn to read you fags
>>322658786
So again you can't fucking read?
Versus was 0% in 2006, no game existed
In 2011 Nomura said himself that Versus had not entered full development yet
It was not until mid 2012 when they merged Versus and Type-0 dev team that they entered full development, it has only been in full development since then
Nothing you say will change that fact, no game even existed from 2006 to 2010, in 2010 twenty devs in their spare time made a prealpha build and that is what we saw in Jan 2011, then in 2011 Nomura said Versus was not entered full development yet, and then in mid 2012 Versus and Type-0 team merged to form the FFXV team, Versus was rebooted into FFXV and now had a 200+ member dev team and that is when they started full development
You are literally ignoring facts because you are pretending an announcement in 2006 is the same thing as actual game development, even though no game was even being made in 2006.
>>322636572
Nearly all games are technically linear in terms of plot.
>>322659180
And then these savages run around asking for sources. Its completely comical, and only shows how low these people have sunk in terms of critical thinking skills. And I'm talking specifically about these apes right here.
>>322659010
>>322658371
>>322658348
Complete and utter savages.
>>322658941
The Catoblepas stepped right near them and the force of the steps hurt them, you blind?
>>322659294
>Versus was 0% in 2006, no game existed
>0%
>Story
>Characters
>Designs
>These aren't part of development because I said so
>>322636372
eh, at this point I don't really care anymore
the demo was really dissapointing too
>>322659294
Post sources then.
You provided a source for the on-hold comment and NOTHING about anything else.
>>322659519
Nomura himself said 0% was done
No story was done, Noctis was the only character that was designed at the time and he didn't even have a name yet
There was nothing but a CGI concept trailer which was done by Visual Works Studio who have NOTHING TO DO WITH GAME DEVELOPMENT, NO FUCKING GAME EXISTED
>>322658897
I think Final Fantasy XII still has suffered the most in terms of development. That game took 5 or 6 years and even then it was still unfinished.
>>322659394
>4chans video game board
>A place where bullshitting and lying in order to wage flame wars is common place
>Upset when people demand sources when they make statements
>>322659394
>expecting people to run around and read/watch hours and hours of interviews and marketing
We can't all be that autistic
>TLOU storytelling
XV confirmed for ladder carrying simulator.
>>322659845
>Nomura himself said 0% was done
Source.
>No story was done, Noctis was the only character that was designed at the time and he didn't even have a name yet
Source.
>There was nothing but a CGI concept trailer which was done by Visual Works Studio who have NOTHING TO DO WITH GAME DEVELOPMENT, NO FUCKING GAME EXISTED
Designs, story and the world had begun development. Lest they wouldn't have had a trailer. This is called pre-production and is part of the development cycle. You've been told this numerous times and you're refusing to listen because, seemingly, unless the game can be played then it isn't being worked on.
>>322659394
>"listen to these facts"
>"the burden of proof is on you to figure out if what i said is true. You'll just have to believe me until you go spend a day reading through all of it"
>>322659845
>No development was done!
>Except the main character
>And the city
>And some of the enemies
>This isn't development apparently
I want off this wild right
>>322659394
yeah proper sourcing is for savages
>>322642893
>can't say old ff did this
>proceed to say old ff's that did this
>>322636572
>implying there's anything wrong with linear games
>>322643346
Your underage is showing
Finally a smart jrpg for smart gamers such as myself
>>322660069
>Source.
Nigger even in fucking 2007 Versus was stated to be only 1.3% done
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/fun-with-numbers-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-1-3-complete-ff/
>Source.
The fucking fact that Noctis's name was not revealed until 2008
>Designs, story and the world had begun development
Nothing was ever set and none of those designs from the old CGI trailers were what was being used in 2010 when they changed all the designs
>t. Lest they wouldn't have had a trailer.
That was a CGI concept trailer by Visual Works Studio done by three people in total, they are not game devs, they are the CGI department that made Advent Children, it had nothing to do with a fucking game existing because no game existed at all from 2006 to 2010, they had just story and CGI concepts and nothing more
>Luna will be presented as a very strong-willed character: she talks to people about her hopes and dreams and she acts on her own initiative, really playing a big part in the story.
But that's basically Serah Farron in a nutshell during FFXIII-2
They could have made her graceful and gentle with her abilities but still powerful and not in need of saving but maybe help. I don't honestly want to hear anymore about anybody's hopes and dreams after FFXIII-2 FUCK
>>322661804
No she is someone who fights with an active role in the story and is a stong character that is said to have a strong will, that stuff about her talking to people about her hopes and dreams is just things on top of her already active role as someone who does take part in battles, she fights with her Trident as well as summons and it's confirmed she joins our party at a certain point in the game
Stella was a confirmed weak character who needed saving which is why they said they replaced her with Luna who is strong and active within the story
>>322660303
its pre development where devs work on prototypes
>>322661731
>>Source.
>Nigger even in fucking 2007 Versus was stated to be only 1.3% done
>http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/fun-with-numbers-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-1-3-complete-ff/
That's not 0%.
>>Source.
>The fucking fact that Noctis's name was not revealed until 2008
And yet they had a design for him early enough to make a trailer. Also source.
>>Designs, story and the world had begun development
>Nothing was ever set and none of those designs from the old CGI trailers were what was being used in 2010 when they changed all the designs
It doesn't matter if it was "set", shit changes. It was in development.
>>t. Lest they wouldn't have had a trailer.
>That was a CGI concept trailer by Visual Works Studio done by three people in total, they are not game devs, they are the CGI department that made Advent Children, it had nothing to do with a fucking game existing because no game existed at all from 2006 to 2010, they had just story and CGI concepts and nothing more
And they had something to work off of given to them by a producer, pointing to the game being in development. Also source to what you just said.
>>322662124
I'm just saying they didn't have to change her persona that much. She could still have been graceful and have a gentle demeanor yet still have power and be active without needing saving.
Honestly, I'm getting sick of these "strong" female characters. There's nothing wrong with being female, give her different tacticsus please.
>>322661804
Please squeenix..no more.
>>322662138
And designs.
>>322637073
got to make sure there's a future generation
>>322661731
>Nigger even in fucking 2007 Versus was stated to be only 1.3% done
>http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/fun-with-numbers-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-1-3-complete-ff/
How can they even quantify that considering all the shit that's cut/added over the development cycle?
>>322661731
>Nigger even in fucking 2007 Versus was stated to be only 1.3% done
>http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/fun-with-numbers-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-1-3-complete-ff/
>Only
>2007, a year after reveal
So it WAS in development then...?
Also considering FF13 was said to be 13% and was released a year later, yeah that points in development starting.
![noctis_[animepaper.net]picture-standard-video-games-final-fantasy-xiii-final-fantasy-xiii-picture-114447-ashita-preview-1f08e8ab.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qvtsnq9.jpg "noctis_[animepaper.net]picture-standard-video-games-final-fantasy-xiii-final-fantasy-xiii-picture-114447-ashita-preview-1f08e8ab.jpg")
>>322662284
>That's not 0%.
That is 2007 and it shows it's at 1% you fucknugget, do you lack basic fucking common sense? It was clearly not in active fucking development if you think it going from 0% to 1% from 2006 to 2007 is somehow actual development
>And yet they had a design for him early enough to make a trailer
Which had no name, he had no set personalty, all they had was an early design, which they changed in 2010, and the story was not even done until 2010
And the fucking 2008 trailer and subsequent magazine scans in 2008, seriously how fucking underage are you? They did not reveal his fucking name until 2008, and Nomura confirmed that Versus story had only finished in 2010
http://gematsu.com/2010/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-scenario-complete-confirms-dengeki
>It doesn't matter if it was "set", shit changes. It was in development.
It does matter because everything from 2006-2010 was CGI fucking CONCEPTS, they were not game assets, they had no fucking game models or game being made, it was just fucking concepts, done by a handful of people
>pointing to the game being in development. A
NO FUCKING GAME WAS BEING MADE
The fucking source is the 2006 and 2008 trailer literally stating that the Advent Children people made the trailer
And in 2009 one of the three people who made the CGI trailer confirmed that he and two other people made the CGI trailer
>One of the first things I participated in [on the Visual Works team] was Final Fantasy Versus XIII's preproduction. Mr. P was the modeling supervisor on this project and I was the lead position. The preproduction modeling and rendering, at that time, was pretty much just the work of the two of us. At that time, Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete was running as a separate project, so while Mr. P and I did preproduction, we also had the job of supporting the Advent Children team.
http://eijikitada.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/cgroots.html
Eng http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=869075
>>322636372
thank you open world of nothingness
>>322662972
FF13 was in full development
Versus was not, in 2006 it had a 1 minute CGI trailer done by three people with one character design by Nomura and no story written, just a concept with 4 lines of text, one soldier copy pasted and a building, this itself is already less than 1%
Then 1 whole year later in 2007 they were 1.3%
Then in 2011 Nomura stated that Versus had not entered full development yet
>>322663819
>One of the first things I participated in [on the Visual Works team] was Final Fantasy Versus XIII's preproduction
So it was in development then?
>>322663819
>And the fucking 2008 trailer and subsequent magazine scans in 2008, seriously how fucking underage are you? They did not reveal his fucking name until 2008, and Nomura confirmed that Versus story had only finished in 2010
So it was being worked on? Cool, thanks for clearing that up.
You realise designing and story writing is development, right
>>322664095
>full development
There's those words again.
"Full development" means everything had been drawn up and had gone through the concept and designing stage. How do you enter "Full development"? Pre production. And pre production is part of the development cycle. FFXV was therefore in development for ten years
>>322636572
Because ff wasn't super linear before. Sure you don't have to go follow the path, but it's not like there was anything else you could do
>>322666513
The illusion of freedom is an amazing thing. In fact, it looks just like what FFXV is going to be
>Have linear story (FFVIII)
>Get to large open areas and explore (Balamb/Dollet)
>Complete objective (Mission)
>Move on to next area (Timber)
>Explore area
>Repeat
FFXV is just providing the same illusion of freedom but on a larger scale
>>322663819
>A game is only being worked on if you're creating assets
>Designing and story writing isn't development because I said so!
You're acting like a bit of a baby son
>>322636882
How was Witcher 3 a mess in term of storytelling?
FFXV-KUN ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>322667504Shh you'll summon him
>>322667504
Every fucking thread goes the same way. Every fucking thread.
So is there anything new to be discussed with FFXV or what..?
>>322667645
Are you dumb? Read the thread. He's here.
>>322668286
Haven't seen the repetitive musings, aggression and pictures yet though. That's the real confirmation homie.
