Just beat this.
Only took about 3 1/2 hoursGotta say, despite knowing a good chunk of what happens in the game, Konrad surprised me.
Do you feel like a hero yet
>>322607258
>>322607258
Fuck I really need to play this still
>>322607258
surprised you how
Most overrated game on /v/.
>>322609516
>overrated
No one overrates this shit. It's just an okay game that people talk about sometimes, fucking retard.
>>322609597
It's a generic, clunky third person shooter that retards on /v/ masturbate to endlessly because TB told them it had a good story.
>>322609597
He's right though. Any time anyone makes a thread about this garbage, it's always praise. It's like people have only played 3 games in their lives or have never picked up a book. The only positive about this game, as OP pointed out, is that it's mercifully short.
>>322609695
>endlessly
no
>>322609775
People make threads praising it to this day, so it hasn't ended yet.
>>322609695
It's not a never good game, I agree. But I don't see this endless wanking you and >>322609769
are talking about
>>322609769
It can be even shorter if youstop playing :^)
>>322609695
Every time it pops up it gets shit on for the "deep and meaningful" bullshit the devs were forcing.
meme game
>>322609372
I hadn't knownhe was dead the whole timeand seeing him earlier in the game without any kind of gear on had me like "Huh? This is a warzone!" but I didn't connect the two.
Also, the little "twist" revelations when he's talking to you were neat as well.
Is it a great game? No. Is it worth a playthrough? Definitely.
Nolan North kinda took me out of it though
>I get it, he is making us choose
>>322609960
NEVER FUCKING REPLY TO ME AGAIN UNLESS YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE THREAD.
>>322610038
I personally liked it too, but the game has been talked about to death, people who hate it pretty much just don't like the gimmick of "this is a shooter but the protagonist isn't the good guy"
>>322610074
>The walkie talkie
>I DONT KNOW WHATS WRONG WITH HIM, HE JUST STOPPED MOVING
>The Heavy at the base of Konrad's tower
>Welcome to Dubai, gentlemen...
>>322610179
meme reply
>>322610205
>people who hate it pretty much just don't like the gimmick of "this is a shooter but the protagonist isn't the good guy"
It was so bad. Short, terrible gameplay, ugly visuals and horribly presented story. I know what they were getting at with it, but "you could have stopped playing " is an atrocious way to get at it unless it's a free game.
>>322610205
The visuals were also pretty neat, like when the chopper crashes in front of Konrad's tower.
Not enough games have you end up being the villain, under the guise of what you think is "the right thing".
>>322610359
I don't necessarily think they were telling the player to stop playing, but just about how some people take shit too far when the solution is much easier realistically
>>322610537
it's just a game, really, I don't think you need to feel bad about the game telling you things like 'you're actually the bad guy' when you know you couldn't have progressed through the game otherwise anyway.
>>322610658
>I don't think you need to feel bad about the game telling you things like 'you're actually the bad guy'
I don't think anyone with a functional frontal lobe thinks that.Too bad the devs and their fans do.
>>322610359
>ugly visuals
Hey now
>>322610759
the dev said the thing is entirely open to interpretation, that in itself is some sort of cop out if you think about it, so you can pretty much make up a headcanon for yourself already, it just means he doesn't really want to force you to think Walker is really bad if you don't want it.
my personal headcanon is pretty simple.Walker joins XCOM and becomes The Volunteer
>>322610205
no people dont like it because the majority likes to self insert themselves and got offended when they were told they were monsters
basically they cant think for themselves
>>322611163
we already know it's a pretty generic shooter, imagine how more generic it could have been if you were actually like a Call of Duty protagonist like Soap or Price and could do no wrong
>>322610979
dont worry this is how threads get bumped
> say caustic comments about the subject
> people who disagree will defend the subject
standard procedure
>>322609516
>overrated
I've never seen any site on the internet shit on this game more than /v/ did this last year.
>>322611262
It's funny because Modern Warfare 2 did the same exact thing first and did it better, but you don't see DEEPfags fellating Infinity Ward for it.
>>322611378
what, Soap and Price were still the really good guys.
>>322611441
I think he's thinking of BO where Mason or whatever turns out to be crazy or something
But even then still, he was the good guy
Just crazy
So the question is, if Walker was already disobeying the initial mission, at what point was he broken and driven insane?
>>322611441
>>322611727
No Russian.
>>322612179
The white phosphorus obviously.
Before he was simply trying to be a hero and shit, then after the WP scene, he began to make up shit and fuck shit up
>>322612179
His mission in Afghanistan before Dubai. He was a walking ball of crazy and the stress of the Dubai mission pushed him into full blown hallucinations.
>>322610359
>people still think konrad was blaming the player
Nigga please. The only shitty thing regarding decisions the game pulled was handing you 'choices' in a linear game. You follow walker as he goes on self-righteous crusade and gets burned for it, everything is on his head -not the player. You have no choice in the matter because you, the player are only along for the ride like so many other shooters.
'Just stop playing' is a fucking meme forced by shitposters. The only thing the game directly accuses the player of is playing a war game and expecting to come out the hero and be completely absolved of any and all you did to become one. Yes, 'war is bad', 'morality is shades of grey'. Thank you. You may say this isn't a new idea but it appears to still be novel enough to be discussed long after most other linear shooters are forgotten.
>i mad
>>322612312
skippable, and that guy died anyway
>>322612360
>'Just stop playing' is a fucking meme forced by shitposters.
Started by the devs themselves? Is Walt Williams a shitposter?
>>322612385
>skippable
So is Spec Ops, according to its creators.
>>322612592
it's funny how weird that level was designed
I still died to airport security with pistols. would have been funny if he got killed by airport security instead of the actual baddies at the end
>>322609851
>PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING VIDEO GAMES FROM BEFORE THIS YEAR
>HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE WEIRDNESS IN THIS
What the fuck?
> /v/ is still in denial about spec ops.
> there'speople autistic enough to prefer actual military shooters.
>>322612312
>No Russian
Except that in MW2 it felt forced, and the whole mission was a plot device. There's no grey morality in it.
>>322612517
And did they phone you while you were in the middle of playing to tell you that?
Yes, they went full retard with the speculation. But that dumb shit has to be looked for, and using it to judge the game before you play it is just as retarded.
>>322612753
Thankfully, for all their faults, Call of Duty games still know they're games and stick to "gamey" rules instead of going for pretentious "secret" out-of-game endings like SOtL's devs did.
>>322613112
I can't count how many times I've survived helicopter/plane/car crashes in video games, it's pretty stupid
>>322613072
No. When a creation goes beyond the realm of its medium, as Spec Ops' devs claim their does, things beyond said medium have to be taken into consideration. Any reading confined to said medium alone would be incomplete.
>>322612808
I think what I enjoyed the most from the genericness of the game was the small things you -almost- don't notice.
>Most enemies in the beginning simply crumple and die when you shoot them, some crawling away for the execution prompt
>later on they sometimes don't die immediately, many often stay lying on the ground clutching at their throats if you shoot them in the neck or other wounds as they bleed out in the middle of a fight
>during this some are actually sobbing in between the spasms of choking on their own blood while others are trying to curse at you with their dying breaths
It was a pretty neat contrast for the cut and paste gameplay and realistic portrayal
That and how its not a game where you go in, win the war, and come out the hero like most Military games. Nope, you fucked up and doomed a city.
>>322613510
I liked how people missed how you can shoot your weapon in the air to scare the civilians.whoever actually shot the civilians has some issues
>>322613609
Does it change anything at all?
>>322613648
of course not, but I think it's something
>>322613238
How many people read the author afterword of a book before reading it? Skip to the end, see all the twists and then conclude that the book is poorly written purely based on that?
An asshole would.
No, you read the book and realize just how derivative it is and then see the commentary and wonder what the fuck they were smoking. And until you get there, you may or may not enjoy the actual book.
But fuck metaphors. The only people who bitch about the game telling them to stop playing are the ones who were told that before they even played it.
>That civilian that rushes at you when turning a corner during an intense firefight near the beginning of the game
It was a low blow, but it did manage to make me feel a bit bad about myself for not confirming my targets. I feel like they could have sprinkled such encounters elsewhere in the game too.
>>322613693
Might be coincidence then.
>>322613609
>shooting sandniggers that hang your friend makes you someone with issues
Nah son, that's the exact opposite.
>>322613609
I shot them because of how they killed him. Cruel murder deserves a cruel death.Notice how Adams was the first to ask to shoot them when just earlier in the game he was so insistent on saving the civilians while they could.
>>322613714
How many authors claim their book isn't really contained in just the book itself, and that the reader's act of quitting their reading is in fact a part of it?
With such claims comes the responsibility of submitting to judgement. And most sensible people who have judged this claim (of "not playing" being a secret ending) have judged it poor.
>>322613926
>>322613984
well whatever, you're right. game is pretty fucked up
>>322613926
To them, you and every american soldier symbolizes everything that went wrong with Dubai after the storms hit. Can you blame them for taking that pent up anger out on your friend, and more importantly, what do you gain by killing them?
More suffering is what.
>>322613714
>The only people who bitch about the game telling them to stop playing are the ones who were told that before they even played it.
And that doesn't make sense in your head? For me, a book/game/film most certainly can be ruined before experiencing it by reviews, second had opinions, spoilers, or - really the worst scenario - the author himself.
>>322614035
the guy who wrote stories involving this character
>>322614112
Favorite part comes when you get to chose either you let the CIA burn to death in horrible pain, or you shoot him in the head to ease the pain.
>>322614154
What do I gain? Nothing. What do I lose? Nothing.
They were going to die anyway by dehydratation. At least it felt good unloading some bullets on those savages.
>>322614326
didn't even waste a bullet
>>322614035
Authors are known for a lot more retarded shit than that. But that's beside the point, the knowledge that if you stopped playing it would've been a canon ending is far less impactful than spoiling the story halfway and all its bullshit meta details instead. An afterthought: 'if i hadn't done that, the events of the story wouldn't have all gone to hell'. not 'gee whiz, i just got to the WP scene and tried to find a walkthrough but all i found was the devs telling me to stop'
>>322614158
curiosity killed the cat
>>322614326
>Please Walker, just don't let me burn...
I shot the bullet into the fucking ground and watched his ass roast.
It was also pretty neat with the helicopter scene
>This...this isn't right!
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
>This! We've already done this! B-but...forget it!
I enjoyed the game.
I'd give it an 8/10 despite the genericness
>>322613072
They didn't phone you, no, but it's on the loading screens.
>>322614326
You might not lose anything, but you cause more suffering in a place already full of it, just for the sake of vengeance.
>>322613715
> tfw no one even mentions or acknowledges this part of the game
worst part is the game doesnt even acknowledge it
>>322614663
Flavour text for an insight to walker's thoughts. Or did the screen claiming you could go home afterwards confuse you too, seeing as you were nestled into your mother's couch the entire time?
>>322614576
Oh and the loading screen's change of tone was also cool.
>Died maybe four times in the game
>At first it just gives you fighting tactics
>Die later on during Konrad's mission
>If you make a sacrifice but the gains outweigh the cost, is it still a sacrifice? Then what about Adams and Lugo? What is their worth to you?
>>322614784
Suffering now instead of suffering later.
Quick suffering compared to thirst.
>>322615053
> not just dranking down the pp
>>322614538
>curiosity killed the cat
>"I never browsed a thread for a game I haven't played just to see if maybe I'd like it."
Unfortunately for me, it was a SOtL thread full of DEEPfags harping on about this shit.I still bought the game because I'd thought it'd deliver on all that praise.It didn't.
>>322615191
how much did you pay for it?
>>322615267
69PLN. Why?
>>322615191
>get hyped
>be disappointed
And it's one thing to look up reviews for a game or ask an opinion on it. It's another to look up vital plot elements and the goddamn developer's sordid afterword.
>>322615419
Have you SEEN Spec Ops' reviews, dude? Many of them were even worse dicksucking than here on /v/. Hell, even Total "I Hate Console Shooters" Biscuit shilled it to no fucking end.
>>322615053
That's a faulty argument though, since iirc you only learn about the water issue way later, so realistically you wouldn't know for sure that they will die of thirst on your first time playing the game.
>>322615191
Most of those deepfags surely thought they bought some generic crap and got their expectations shat on because it was a bit different than it. And by seeing it's actually different to what you thought it was, you want to see what detail may surprise you more.
In other words, you were hyped as any kid that has been in the effect of marketing, aka learning to expect more than it has to offer.
>>322615413
wondering how much you had to spend to get disappointed is all
>>322615626
I'd still be disappointed even if I pirated it.
>>322613887
Like, accidental? No, the devs specifically put that option in there. I think it gets mentioned in one of the interviews as a section the game testers got really butt blasted about.
>>322615548
So blame it on being an overrated piece of shit (it's an acceptable and common opinion), not on the dev hurting your feelings when he asked you to stop playing.
>>322615626
I had fun with it. I pirated it and spent jack shit.
I definitely wouldn't have bought it though.
>Start game up for the first time
>Sniper sitting leisurely next to a billowing Flag as the anthem plays with Dubai in the background
>Beat the game>Dubai is now in ruins in the middle of the sandstorm, the flag tattered and torn and the sniper missing
>The sniper was part of The Damned 33
I love that shit
>>322615698
too bad you didnt HA
>>322615554
You destroy the water before then.
>>322615751
>yfw you personally killed him while going after the radioman
>>322615702
>(it's an acceptable and common opinion)
It's precisely the opinion that started this shitstorm.
>>322616035
Read the post chain. I don't give a fuck what you think of the game, just don't say it told you to stop playing.
>>322615701
It seems that part was a test really.
>Game presents a scene where one of the main characters is brutally murdered in front of you
>Because most players develop some form of attachment for party members, they feel anger when they see he is unable to be resuscitated
>Now given the choice of succumbing to the desire for vengeance or sticking with whats morally right
Not once does it say you have to shoot the civilians, all it does is emphasize how you WANT to shoot them.
It's simple, it's dumb, and it's 2deep and I love it.
>>322616124
You could havestopped replying :-)
>>322616319
Alright cool.
>>322616213
also the other dude is saying "fucking kill them mane" "permission to open fire", etc
>>322616369
Do you feel like a hero yet?
>>322616213
It shouldn't be a surprise that every player shot them. Combine the usual disregard of digital life with the anger of losing a main character and the sense of being long-past the point of 'oh god I am a monster' by that stage.
>>322616472
I had no choice.
>>322616569
I didn't shoot them
>>322616749
That's surprising.
Why didn't Adams and Lugo relieve Walker of command once they saw the crazy bullshit he was pulling?
>>322616569
According to psnprofiles, 44% got the revenge trophy while 30% got the scare trophy.
>>322616961
Because he was the only guy who knew a bit what he was doing.
>>322613609
I regret nothing.
>>322616961
In too deep. He had good arguments to continue on in the beginning but by the time he lost it they had the 33rd on their asses and couldn't run for home without being hunted down by choppers.
>game forces me to kill kebab and its future hellspawn in a very gruesome way
>I also get to kill the traitors that tried to help the kebab stay alive and multiply like roaches
>"do you feel like a hero yet?"
Yes as a matter of fact I do.
>>322617394
So you chose the "shoot soldiers" ending amirite?
>>322617394
>kebab which were the main objective of the mission then
You still fail.
>>322617394
>traitors
>yfw they stopped being traitors by the time you reached the gate
>>322617615
nah I went home
my job of cleansing the surviving kebab infestation in that city was done
the soldiers that came to the rescue had nothing to do with it even if by mere inactivity
I like to think that Walker stopped crying like a little bitch got a few meds for his hallucinations and spent his remaining life drinking cocktails sunbathing in a beach proud of his achievements there when he saw the bigger picture
There a list of all the small details in the game? Like how your eyes crack or your trigger discipline changes, etc.
>>322617865
Did you read about the "theory" that you were living Walker's purgatory after the helicopter crash with the white screen transition and shit?
>>322618247
yeah but it really doesn't suit the game conceptually
the game was about deconstructing the war her image and basically saying
>bad shit happens in war and actively being in it you are doing them
the whole "purgatory" theory really doesn't stick to it since at no point the game gave a metaphysical aspect to its story
even the writer said that he "believes" in the purgatory theory not that he specifically wrote the story around the idea
but at the end of the day it will forever remain vague and headcannons will be there to stay
>>322618572
I like how aggressive the game became against the player towards the end.
>>322618778
ohh yeah me too it goes from bad to worse to fubar
it really gives a sense of escalation
>>322616569
>every player
I didn't shoot them. I didn't want to becauseThey were right
>>322614950
best one
>die during final battle
>no loading screen
>you're back at checkpoint, Walker shakes his head and says "the fuck was that?"
>>322618572
Well, the purgatory shit gives a different aspect to the end. They player get to judge Walker.
Either admit walker fucked up and you let him kill himself, or you say he literally did nothing wrong and refuse to admit the truth(bad end), or you admit he did everything wrong, you don't care and you become the ultimate badass.
It seems a bit forced, but that's a good shit to shut the mouth to say that the game is about the player guilt. In fact, the only time the player gets to make a choice, it's after seeing all the "facts"
>>322609695
>It's a generic,
True but locations where not overused back then
>clunky
No. The controlls are tight.
>third person shooter that retards on /v/ masturbate to endlessly because TB told them it had a good story.
true
>>322616569
I didn't shot them because I knew about purpose of warning shots. Also Dubai well reinforces habit of conserving ammunition.
Now, it they would NOT back after warning shots, it makes things simple. Them or us.
>>322609516
Between this andDragons Dogma (Fight Me)
Fun competent game that gets by being unironically edgy and "war is bad mkay?" A series of walking edgy anti-war tropes tucked away into a videogame. It isn't a bad game, just overrated and doesn't really stand out among 3ps.
For those that enjoyed it-- glad you did! For those thinking about playing it-- if you've played 3ps games, its competent, even fun at times, but nothing special. Heck, Binary Domain does Spec Ops sets out to achieve but is better.
>>322621462
IS THAT A M16why does it have a non-retarded carryhandle?
>SOTL Thread
>Noone ever talks about the ambient/combat ost
What kind of literal fags are you, shit's golden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMXE3fulO8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0mC__bGcmM
>>322622228
The music that came on during the Radioman level was amazing
>That copter escape and battle
So, who's talking when you kill yourself? You hear Konrad's voice but he's dead, and so is Walker so who is talking?
>>322622504
It's the transmission Konrad sent right before he shot himself.
What was the point of Walker pointing out that he's seen the intro's helicopter shooting scene before? Is it just the game breaking the fourth wall? I assume it's that, to pull the player out of the immersion of the game
>>322621547
Are you retarded?
thats a FAMAS you fuckwit
>>322625450
>>322625328
It's just a flashback placed in the middle of the story. Instead of saying "and here's that one part from the beginning, let's skip it" they made you play it again.
And just add to the whole insanity theme they made Walker note how it was the second time you were playing it.
There's like 4 alternative endings so make sure to replay it (on FUBAR difficulty as well). I think the story becomes a lot more powerful with the hardest difficulty and if you get one of the alternative endings (the Epilogue secret chapter).
One of my fav games for sure because it makes a valid point about military involvement.
>>322626498
>died the first time shooting at the cavalry rescue
>play the game through several times to see the other side of all my choices
>fubar is fucking brutal
>get fucked up again and during the game
>fuck heavies and fuck parts where they hand you only a deagle and tell you to deal with it
>eventually git so gud that i killed all the soldiers on fubar without breaking a sweat
Never played it again.
>>322615191
>Reading a /v/ hype thread leads to disappointment.
Stop the fucking presses, we might have discovered the biggest story from 4chan since Moot washed his hands clean of this filth.
