i cant be alone on this. for so fucking long i could not get this. id try to make a z with the stick and it never fucking came to me. i had a friend come by today and explain it as right and then a quarter rotation. why are fighting games as a whole so shitty at explaining stuff? now i know some of you picked it up on your own but fightingg games are not the most accessible as is. sometimes even dojos and training or konquest just blow at teaching. why?how would you improve it?
lets talk teaching inputs.
>inb4 artificial difficulty
no. its just poor teaching.
>He's never played Skate 3
Right, down, down right, punch
>>322589238
no. no i have not.
>>322589114
> its just poor teaching.
no. its just a poor mind.
>>322589114
walk towards, do hadouken motion
?
profit
Forward down forward
Its really easy and I never had trouble with it. U might be retarded opie
>>322589292
i already got the z input down. after like ten minutes i could do shoryukens 9/10 times. this is why i believe its just shitty instructions. whole time i thought i just didnt have good motor skills. i was just under thhe impression i had to do something else entirely
>>322589114
Teach yourself. That's basically what fighting games come down to. It's all a rigorous self-improvement.
If you're the type of people who need external help for learning anything, I've got a bad news for you.
It's a shit symbol desu. I remember being flustered as FUCK trying to make a Z. It's not a z at all, there's just no easier way to write it. It's right, down, forward, punch. Not a fucking z.
it is a Z motion anon, just on the bottom right half of motion. the stick clearly doesnt cover the left side on that picture so why would you do a full z?
>>322589114
op here. for a while i honestly thought it was right,rotate it to down,then right. i know now im fucking stupid but this shit cant be clear to everybody is what im saying and it should be.
>>322589292
This is why GG used number anotation because that becomes 623+S. But it is better to do the down and right corner than doing forward, down, downright, right. Because you can fuck up the timing and that will become a fireball.
>>322589523
I think most people did this as kids, and it's why a lot of people just fucking blow at fighting games.
>>322589396
How is it shitty instruction when it literally shows you the analogue input points you need to hit in order to do the move? Thats there is no more exact instruction than that. It's your fault for being a retard and not knowing how to move your hands. For the love of god don't look at Vega's Ultras or you'll start shitting yourself like the babby you are.
>people having trouble with [forward] [down] [forward]
>not [backwards up] [forwards up] [backwards down] [forwards down]
>>322589114
I do it by making a Z in the bottom corner so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
423 senpai.
>>322589496
That makes a fuckin Z m8
>>322589114
You're literally just shit.
My nephews and nieces who are still in elementary school can get dragon punch motions pretty consistently after playing for only 20-25 minutes.
>>322589868
it wouldn't make a z, it would make either of pic related.
>>322589396
It's much much quicker to do DP by rolling the stick, rather than trying to come back to neutral then down then down forward, therefore rolling Z motion is therefore much more common.
It's literally giving you the best instructions possible.
>>322590161
but your joystick can't go that far
>>322589707
like i said. its shitty because it looks like you need to do right,quarter rotate it to down then right again. which is entirely different than right down down/right and i know quarter rotations have the curve but thats only when its just quarter rotations. i figured since it was a quarter rotation with an input following it looked different. i admit now i wasnt the brightest and was wrong but thats what im saying. if it happens to me it happens to others and just because someone doesnt grasp the concepts in the way you do doesnt mean theyre dumb. it means different people view the same things differently
>>322590245
just think about the logic a little longer.
>>322590291
In this case it means some people view things incorrectly. Because they are dumb. Like you.
>>322589868
>>322590161
You're a fucking retard. He claimed it was silly because it wasn't a Z. You say it's a Z. Picture shows it isn't. "but the controller doesn't go that far"
anon literally said " It's not a z at all, there's just no easier way to write it."
contrarian fuck
if you do forward then quarter circle you are doing it wrong. that might work for some games/characters but it won't work for them all.
Who [down forward]-[down]-[down forward] here?
>>322589114
I use a keyboard
how the fuck am I supposed to do this?
>>322590527
i meant eigth rotation before. but everyone got the gist so i didnt care to correct it after the fact. right down eigth rotation is what finally made it click into place
thats why MOBAS are so much better :-*
how can you in anyway argue that it isn't a z? are you retarded?
I'll never understand why people find this difficult. I could do this motion on an SNES pad when I was a kid.
>>322590291
It only looks like that if youre blind. It looks nothing like a fucking quarter circle down its a straight line. Straight lines are different from curved lines. Any drawings you did in school with a ruler must have been fucking awesome. Just because you and a bunch of other people look at a symbol which shows you the literal motion you need to make to do a move and keep fucking it up does not mean its a bad diagram. It means you people have probably never played anything like a fighter before with any competency or have fucking parkinsons. I and probably most people who played the game understood it instantly.
>>322590756
m8 i could do this motion on your mom i uppercutted your mother
Something like this would be less misleading I guess.
>>322590756
they're not complaining that it's hard to do, they're complaining that the z symbol doesn't clearly give what motion you're supposed to do.
>>322590748
It's because you can do the motion without making the / part of the Z. It's more simple to look at and say "I need to go foward, down, bottom right" than it is to say "I need to make a Z"
Yo, it's a z.
>>322590919
>move forward
>move down
>rip my arcade stick off to swing it more forward
wtf dude
This is an arcade joystick square gate, the most common stick in Japanese arcades.
>>322590919
No it wouldnt because you dont need the input going right indicated by the end of the arrow. You only need to hit the "down-right" point.
>>322590828
so youre saying theres no room for improvement on displaying the z input.
>>322591064
There isn't. See >>322590996
Perhaps they should have stuck with the old directions.
>>322590967
see this is so much clearer though and its still a z. thats my point about these input instructoons
>>322591064
I think this would be good.
>>322591210
>using a circle gate
>>322591170
i mean thats great if you are in an arcade. i wont argue it. but analog controllers dont work like that and argue whether controllers are right or wrong but alot of people use them.
i would love to play someone who is arguing it isn't a z. this would be hilarious.
This seems to be a daily thread now. As easy as it is to just come to 4chan and make a thread about something 4chan is probably one of the worst places for fighting game knowledge. There are websites out there now and videos on youtube that teach you how to do basic commands and then also just fighting game fundamentals in general. If you're looking to play just casually then whatever but I see so many people who claim to play just casually and then get butthurt the instant the game doesn't go their way. It's ok to play casually and look up and learn the game as well anons. If you're friends call you a tryhard then they're just using an option select because they're butthurt.
>>322591064
No there isn't because it already shows you exactly what you need to do with your thumb or arcade stick. Right, down, down-right. It's honestly not hard. As soon as I picked up the game for the first time I unknowingly just started playing flowchart Ken against my friend because it was funny, flaming shoryukens all day err day with little to no execution problems thanks to the moveslist. You're actually just shit at Street Fighter.
Charge moves are more difficult to do, and I use controller
Also I don't know what you would call someone like Juri who can hold fireballs thou
>>322591359
the thread isnt how to. the thread is the how to should be more helpful. what if you had to wach a video on how to do an active reload in gears? it shouldnt be git gud. it should be clearer. it shouldnt come to the point of needing sources outside the game to do fundamental things.
>>322591343
DP motion is even easier on a controller I think. I prefer stick but there is less motion involved when using a controller. Also you best be using the D-pad and not the analog stick if you're playing pad.
>>322590919
>do this in fucking BLAZBLUE on my stick
>it never fucking comes out
>do it on ds4 d pad
>always comes out
fuckin' reeeee
>>322591343
>analog controllers
No one uses analog sticks for that. They are horrible. With Dpad the Z motion does make sense too.
If you were using analog sticks then you were using the least common input method. No wonder you were confused.
>>322591343
>but analog controllers dont work like that
You can still visualize that input with the image. The idea is that you're going forward from the DOWN input, not to forward, combining the two, which ends you at down-forward. There's nothing wrong with the image and it's the easiest way to visualize that specific input.
>>322590919
Thats wrong.
Dirty inputs like that will fuck you over.
>>322591064
phone posters are all fucking braindead retards.
>>322591646
youll live anon. its okay.
>>322591510
that's what the training room is for anon. Between those and early trials you should be able to learn how to do these motions. 30 minutes in the lab is all it takes. I get that that can be frustrating but there is no real way to put an in game tutorial in to teach how to do basic motion inputs that would be worth it when you can get the same thing out of the training room. Also Fundamentals goes beyond inputs and basic gameplay functions.
>>322591510
How is a Z not clear? It is the most concise way to illustrate it.
Start at neutral, move to forward, move to the down position, beneath neutral, and then move to the down-forward position, beneath the forward position. That is long-winded as fuck and not necessary when you can look at the Z and see all of that information in the fraction of a second.
>>322591906
You don't have to start at neutral, you could very be holding forward the whole time and still do it.
z could probably be misinterpreted at neutral, forward, down, neutral, forward. This is pushing it, but it's possible.
Now this reply right here, crystal clear.
>>322591302
>mfw there are some people in here who if they went back to Street fighter games before shortcut inputs they wouldn't be able to do DP as well as they think they can.
I don't understand the point of inputs anyway. Beside locking and limiting certain moves behind awkward mechanic gates (720's and such forcing a player to buffer into them to avoid jumping and things like that), seems like a shitty convoluted way to go about designing your game. Just something you have to grind the muscle memory for instead of having a more intuitive control scheme
I don't really play many fighting games so I admit I might be totally ignorant about the concept, but that's what it seems like from an outsider's view
>>322592047
thats not a DP you fucking retard.
>>322592047
until you start doing stuff like ewgf and then it won't work anymore.
>>322592047
except that one is wrong. You don't do a full quarter circle motion back to forward you just go to down forward.
>>322592106
RIP The Thing guy
Every game should use keyboard notation IMO
"623"
Bam, done
>>322592047
>doing the wrong motion
Holy shit anon get it together
>>322592148
>implying people here play Tekken and if there are any they know what EWGF is.
It's just you and me m8. Just you and me.
>>322592249
That's why some people use hitboxes. I'm personally not a fan but I've seen people do very well on them.
>>322590993
OP's pic is no better anyways
>move forward
>move down
>rip my arcade stick to move forward while the stick is still down
>>322592249
how about no you sniff fag.
>>322592326
i always imagine what these same people would be like playing stuff like marvel 2 trying to do shit like fast fly combos, magneto combos or hell even cable lk, mk, hk, scimitar xx ahvb. would probably be hilarious
>>322590487
It is a z though, you start at neutral, move to forward, move to down, move to down forward
>>322592669
nobodys arguing that. they are arguing that it isnt always clear the final input is downright. it can be interpreted as right down right instead.
>>322592608
Probably the same people who think Roll is a better pick than Gold War Machine because she has higher stamina.
>>322590919
The problem with that input is that you basically tack on a full quarter circle input onto your forward input.
I used to do [forward] [down] [down forward] [forward] as a kid everytime i wanted an uppercut in Alpha 3, but it always troubled me that I sometimes got a different move entirely.
A friend explained it to me back then as "take a step forward, then quickly do half of the motion for the hadouken and press punch". That stuck with me and I have never had trouble doing it ever since.
>>322592976
Its perfectly clear unless you have brain damage.
>>322593148
good one man. ya got me.
>>322592106
happened to me with Third Strike Online. Had to slow down my input speed a shit ton and almost start over from scratch
>>322592106
All they have to do is spend a few weeks practicing in ST. They'll never fuck up again.
>>322591302
Except thats wrong, you dont have to go from frorward to downforward to down you just go straight to down and you dont end on forward you just end on downforward.
the input you are showing is 63236 when an SRK motion is just 623
>>322593457
>ST.
You mean a none shit game like 3S or Alpha
>>322594380
>3s
>nonshit
>>322594682
Correct
>>322594774
3s already has babbyfied inputs.
>>322589114
>DP being difficult
Don't buy KoF op. Stick to Rising Thunder.
![il_570xN.488910688_74ak[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CKERvbf.jpg "il_570xN.488910688_74ak[1].jpg")
>>322589114
easier to understand?
>>322594882
>st already has babbyfied inputs.
Fixed that for you
>>322589114
keeps the scrubs out.
>>322595191
>ST
>babbyfied inputs
jesus christ you're both fucking retarded.
>>322595191
3s fanboys, everyone.
>>322595576
St fanboys, everyone.
