>n64 is the worst Nintendo console
>GameCube is the best Nintendo console
When the fuck did these memes start?
Shortly after the Gamecube came out.
N64, Gamecube, and Wii are all of roughly equal quality. All of them had good first party titles, some decent third party exclusives, and next to no multiplats worth mentioning save maybe the Gamecube. Only WiiU is weaker than the others because aside from a few choice games it's kinda stumbled across the board. But I digress, Nintendo consoles have all essentially been the same song and dance since the N64.
>>322559480
GC is the best 3d nintendo. SNES best overall nintendo. I wish the meme that the Wii was good would end.
>>322560268
It's good if you softmod it
>>322560075
Yeah, no. N64 is clearly the best Nintendo console for the same reason that the Xbox One is the best Microsoft console
>>322559480
Until now I had forgotten that the 64 had that model.
Looks like a cheap lamp from target.
>>322559480
>underage shitters start growing up
OP, you're fucking retarded. This trend happened for pretty much every single video game/console series.
>Twilight Princess is the best Zelda
>Wind Waker is the worst
>FF7 is the worst
>FF8 is the best
>"It was never called PSX"
etc. etc. Stop cherrypicking and use your goddamn brain.
>>322559480
The N64 isn't the worst, but it is responsible for nearly everything wrong with the company
The gamecube's library is superior though.
>>322560562
PSX is such a butt fucking retarded name that no one minds it being retroactively erased from existence
>>322560760
>The gamecube's library is superior though.
No it goddamn well isn't and you know it. There was great potential for it to be, but they threw all that potential out the fucking window
>>322560845
I only seen it in magazines and shit, saying it in actual spoken tongue sounds autistic as fuck. Everyone i know just called it a Playstation.
>>322561492
Rare games are overrated and largely haven't aged well. Gamecube had actual third party support
>expletive.
Was that really necessary OP?
But it is something I've wondered. Since N64 is the best and GCN is the worst.
N64 is the worst
Best is SNES for 2D, GC for 3D
SNES>GC>N64>NES>WII>WIIU
DS>GB>GBA>3DS>N3DS>>>PSP>shit>VITA
>>322562696
>no GBC
>>322562696
SNES>GC>Wii=WiiU>>N64>>NES
GBA>>3DS>DS=PSP>VITA>>GB
GB started a positive trend and all but come on, shit was barely playable on it aside from some rpgs.
>>322559480
>n64 is the worst Nintendo console
If we aren't counting the VB, it's either that or the Wii U.
Best is SNES, by the way.
I wouldn't be averse to saying n64 was worst. OoT and Mario 64 are historic games, but I'm having a hard time thinking of anything else.
SNES is best console, not up for debate. Go ahead and try to deny it, I have a fedora folder prepared
>>322559480
The N64 absolutely WAS the worst Nintendo console. While the system itself was superior on paper to both the the PS and the Saturn, this was more than offset by the weak library, the continued reliance on cartridges, and the shitty controllers (stupid design compounded by seriously awful build quality). I was a Nintendo fanboy in the '80s and '90s, but my experience with the N64 cured me of that for good.
GameCube as the best Nintendo console, OTOH, started among '90s kids who never had a SNES. It was better than the N64, though not by as much as some people seem to think. The Super NES and original NES were both worlds beyond the GC, and the Wii and Wii U rank above it if only because of the Virtual Console.
>>322561953
Yeah such great third party support, bringing the abomination that is Resident Evil 4 into existence and with it, fucking up every third person shooter that came afterwards by copy it's fucktarded over the shoulder view instead of centering the camera behind your character with no option to change it.
Meanwhile Jet Force Gemini centered the camera behind your character and switches to a dynamic camera that automatically moves as you aim.
Rare was a superior developer who's amazing ideas were lost to time when casuals and bro faggots like you became the target audience.
>>322563712
hey hey hey. I'm sorry AAA development ruined all of shooters, but you mustn't blaspheme against RE4
>>322563660
WWF No Mercy was historic. It's still considered one of (if not the) the best wrestling games ever.
>>322563660
Motherfucking Goldeneye.
Also, Majora's Mask is underrated.
I didn't even like Mario 64 (or DK 64), personally. Yoshi Story was a better platformer than either, IMO.
But yes, other than a handful of titles, the N64 library was utterly forgettable. People ranking either it or the GC ahead of the SNES have no idea what they are talking about.
>>322564250
Pretty sure one of the PS2 Smackdown games is considered the best.
>>322564420
>Majora's Mask is underrated
Nigga you what
>>322560431
>Rareware ports
Will my eyes bleed playing Perfect Dark on Xbox One like they did on N64?
>>322564660
It is, though. IMO, it's actually better than OoT.
![dusty-wiiu[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p6BlPql.jpg "dusty-wiiu[1].jpg")
>>322559480
>n64 is the worst Nintendo console
It was until this gen
>>322564115
It is overrated shit and its cancer can still be felt today.
> pushing the control stick north makes you run north east
It is the most fucking stupid ass idea in the history of 3D gaming. I thought sandboxes would at least be safe from this cancer until Just Cause 2 and GTA5 fucking did it too. The worst part is that when you're parachuting it centers the camera behind you AS IT SHOULD but the relief is short lived as it switches back to retard view as soon as you land. It's mind boggling to think that since RE4 was successful that fucking lemming game developers decided to copy the absolute stupidest and worst part of the game.
>>322564812
I can play Perfect Dark today on an old TV just fine. When did people get such spoiled eyes?
>>322564946
It's got a few good games but as a whole, it's definitely their worst console to date.
>>322564812
Perfect Dark runs at 60FPS on Xbone and 360
>>322564420
>N64 is utterly forgettable
Nigga Turok 2, Quake 2, Jet Force Gemini, Rogue Squadron, Command & Conquer, Perfect Dark, The World is Not Enough, Nightmare Creatures, etc.
>>322565342
>he played C&C on a console
>>322564946
Yeah probably
At least I can use the Gamepad for Netflix though
The N64 continues to deteriorate with time. Sure, it had a few amazing games but it also has some enormous flaws.
>>322564946
>>322565309
Please stop anons
what do I have to do to convince you?
>>322564914
I don't think you know what "underrated" means.
Literally everyone fucking loves MM.
>>322559480
Nope the list is:
1.N64/SNES
2.Gamecube
3.Wii U
4.NES
5.Wii
>>322565163
>calling RE4 "overrated shit"
As much praise RE4 gets, it's still fucking underrated.
You contribute nothing to the planet. Please remove yourself.
>>322566086
Not him, but I'm gonna have to disagree with that. It got enough critical and commercial acclaim to get away with nearly killing old school survival horror scot-free. RE4 is a great game but it brought about its own share of misgivings.
>>322563712
>i blame the GameCube for having RE4 which had a particular design that everyone copied because the actual game was amazing and people only look at the superficial elements
>out of all of this, it is clearly the GameCube's fault
>what's it like lacking a chromosome?
>>322566403
Fuck off, old RE was fucking dying, the last few games didn't introduce anything new and the story was stagnant as fuck.
I do think there is a chance old survival horror can see a resurgence though.
Haunting ground on ps2 is literally resident evil 3.5
Go play that if you're gonna keep whining
>>322566086
> reduced to ad hominem
Just face it. On top of introducing the worst 3rd person camera in existence it all ruined the survival horror genre. The video game industry would be a lot better if your piece of shit movie game had never existed.
>>322560075
>and Wii are all of roughly equal quality.
Wii was dogshit on a literal stick, leave forever.
>>322564946
Wii U is still better than the N64. At least it got a proper SMB game, and actually has better 3rd party support.
>>322565342
I'll grant you Turok 2 and Rogue Squadron (although both were multiplats), but
>Quake 2
Multiplat. PC version was the definitive one, and came out 2 years earlier.
>Jet Force Gemini
Forgetable
>Command & Conquer
Multiplat. PC version was vastly superior.
>Perfect Dark
Goldeneye Rehash
>The World is Not Enough
Ditto. Goldeneye was 1000x better. Also a multiplat (though the N64 version was arguably superior to the PS version).
>Nightmare Creatures
Multiplat. PS version was superior.
>>322565851
OK, forgot where I was posting. Yes, /v/ loves MM. But for at least the first ten years after it came out, it was treated like the red-headed stepchild of the Zelda franchise in most places.
>>322559480
Kiddies grew up, i seriously dont know how people can say Gamecube was such a great Nintendo console, seriously, its biggest achievement is Metroid Prime.
Is just Nintendo 128.
>>322559480
I feel its only fair that unless you were alive around the time of a certain console then you really cant have a legit opinion on it. Therefore the majority if babies in this thread cant speak for consoles before gamecube.
>>322559480
consoles:
snes>gamecube>nes>wiiu>wii>n64
handhelds:
gba>3ds>ds>gb>g&w>
I didn't relist gbc or new 3ds or the new nes or snes models either just to save space.
>>322559480
The Gamecube is like the perfected form of the N64, just like how the SNES is to the NES. I don't know how anyone can possibly debate this.
>Nintendo believes it has the industry by the balls
>Releases the N64
>Sony believes it has the industry by the balls
>Releases the PS3
>Microsoft believes it has the industry by the balls
>Releases the Xbox One
I sense a pattern.
>>322566902
How so? It got many of the same kinds of first party titles - Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Sin & Punishment, Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Return to Dream Land, Twilight Princess. And just like how N64 got stuff like Mischief Makers, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, and Doom 64, or how Gamecube had Eternal Darkness, REmake (at the time), and RE4 (also at the time), Wii had games like Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes 2, Monster Hunter Tri (at the time), Red Steel 2, and Trauma Team. Forgive me if I don't see much of a difference between N64/Gamecube and Wii, and that's not even mentioning its fantastic Virtual Console lineup or its capacity as an emulation box.
>>322567205
>At least it got a proper SMB game, and actually has better 3rd party support
This entire statement is wrong.
>it got a proper SMB game
What? 3D World? NSMBU? Those aren't in the main series.
>actually has 3rd party support
I don't think you have a WiiU.
The N64 had the most ports of popular games from its time. Duke 64, Quake 1 and 2, Starcraft, etc. Also, you're a fucking moron if you think Perfect Dark is a Goldeneye rehash.
>>322567348
>super mario sunshine
>custom robo
>super monkey ball
>smash bros melee
>wind waker
>f-zero gx
>pikmin
>RE4
>paper mario TTYD
but most of all fucking custom robo anon
>>322568574
New Custom Robo with online when?
>>322568565
>What? 3D World? NSMBU? Those aren't in the main series.
they are a part of the super mario series you dingus
>>322568706
And Super Mario 64 isn't?
>>322565338
same on PC for free
>>322568810
forgot to add im not the guy you replied too.
>>322568696
i would cum an entire galaxy
>>322565486
A Vita costs less than a Wii U and also has Netflix.That's what I use to watchCrunchyrollat work, at least.
>>322568706
Nope. It goes:
1. Super Mario Bros.
2.Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels
3.Super Mario Bros. 3
4.Super Mario World
5.Super Mario 64
6.Super Mario Sunshine
7.Super Mario Galaxy
8.Super Mario Galaxy 2
9.nothing
Super Mario 3D World is a sequel to 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros. is a different series.
>>322559480
Millenials.
Just ignore them and their shit taste.
If you were born after 1989 your opinion is literally worthless in my board.
-Gor
CEO, the /V/idya, a Viacom Company
>>322568120
Alot of balls being held?
>>322568574
you forgot
air ride
pikmin 2
twilight princess
metroid prime 1 and 2
viewtiful joe 1 and 2
eternal darkness
>>322569039
How do you justify the distinction between Land/World and the rest of the Super Mario titles when those games have "Super Mario" in their titles?
>>322569048
Go to bed grandpa
>>322567728
Seconded.
Also:
SNES > NES >> Wii >> Wii U > GC > N64
And yes, I'm old enough to have had an NES when it was current (I even had a ColecoVision before that).
>>322568063
Being the perfected form of the N64 is not something to be particularly proud of, though.
>>322568565
NSMBU is most certainly a main series SMB game.
>I don't think you have a WiiU.
I don't. As I said upthread, I haven't bought a Nintendo console since the N64. I've been considering a Wii U because of the Virtual Console, Bayonetta 2, and XenobladeX, however. You don't have to own the hardware to see what's in its library, though.
>The N64 had the most ports of popular games from its time
I'm talking about native games, not ports and multiplats. Also, the majority of those ports were inferior to the PC version (some of them vastly so). And Perfect Dark objectively IS a Goldeneye rehash.
>>322568527
No amount of good games can make up for the fact that they permanently gimped their console forever with a shitty gimmick.
>>322569039
so by that logic the galaxy games are it's own series. just because a game has a direct follow up doesn't mean its excluded from the series.
>>322569025
I have both but I like to watch Netflix on my Wii U more because it seems to work more smoothly with the menus ans such.
>>322569190
viewtiful joe and eternal darkness for sure
didn't like twilight princess and didn't play air ride or pikmin 2. i should fire up pikmin 2 on dolphin and check it out. did they do away with the worlds most stressful time based mechanic ever? i think i remember reading that they did.
didn't mention metroid prime because it was mentioned in the post i replied too
>>322569337
Yes it can, actually. One, good games are good games no matter how you slice it. Two, pic related exists and MOST titles after 2007 (not all, though) allowed for its use.
>>322559480
All what that controller needs is the Hori controller sticks and it would be great. N64 was their last great console.
>>322568810
>"Bros." not in the title or subtitle
>No Luigi
No, it's not a SMB game.
Note, I didn't say "Mario game," I said "SMB."
>>322569337
Shitty motion controls aside, I liked the Wiimote/Nunchuck combo, it was actually really comfortable when you didn't have to use unresponsive motion gimmicks. Could even swap which hand was on which no problem if I felt like it.
>>322569468
they did get rid of the time mechanic. to me it is a more exploration and resource management game than a survival game like the first. they are both different experiences and i like both games. the multiplayer in 2 is fun in my opinion as well. coop and vs.
>>322569270
Because of the "3D" in the title and they play very differently from 64/Sunshine/Galaxy.
>>322569330
>NSMBU is most certainly a main series SMB game
No it isn't. The "New" series is a different series.
>>322569270
So is Super Mario Kart and Super Mario RPG part of the main series too?
>>322570012
>>322569910
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario
>>322570139
no because its an rpg not a platformer. thats what the super mario series a series of platformers
>>322570012
>Because of the "3D" in the title
So you're cherry picking this distinction based on other words in the title despite "Super Mario" being right in the title itself. You're contradicting your own logic.
>and they play very differently from 64/Sunshine/Galaxy
Not only do the 2D titles play very differently from the 3D titles, but the "3D" games are an active attempt to marry the two playstyles, and actually play much closer to the older Super Mario titles than 64/Sunshine/Galaxy do.
>N64
>worst console
Turok 1-3, Rage Wars
SM64
OOT
Star Wars Shadow of The Empire
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark 1-2
Jet Force Gemini
Star Wars Episode 1 Pod Racer
SSB
Pokemon Stadium 1-2
Doom 64
Duke Nukem 64
WWF No Mercy
WCW vs NWO Revenge
Banjo Kazooie 1-2
Majoras Mask
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
Diddy Kong Racing
Pokemon Snap
Yoshi's Story
For fucks sake is /v/ really so underaged that you fags are going to actually say N64 was their worst console when the Pee U is failing as badly as it is? This board disgusts me. I have obviously missed a ton more great N64 games to.
>>322559480
People who grew up with the Gamecube are now grown up
>>322570139
I don't see why they couldn't at least be considered Super Mario spinoffs if nothing else.
>>322568837
Not with an N64 emulator
>>322570012
It's fucking not. It's the continuation from where they left off with Super Mario World (a.k.a. SMB4). SM64 is the one that started a new series.
I'm not talking about continuity or shit, mind you (because the Mario universe has marginal continuity at best, anyway). I'm talking about gameplay. The original Mario Bros., the SMB games, and NSMB all represent a single series, while SM64/Sunshine/Galaxy represent another one.
>>322569952
>t was actually really comfortable when you didn't have to use unresponsive motion gimmicks.
That is the whole problem though, the whole fucking problem in a nutshell it was great when you could just use it as a fucking controller because that is what you really want a fucking controller. Motion controls are a good idea, but forcing everyone to use shitty controls that only work perfectly once in a blue moon when really all they want is a functioning controller is the whole problem with the wii.
>>322570325
Shit list. Why is Super Mario 64 DS considered a main title, but SMB Deluxe isn't?
Also, how the fuck is Mario Maker a main series title?
>>322570938
Also, why is Yoshi's Island considered a main series title but not Wario Land?
>>322570714
they are all a part of the super mario series which is a series of platformers you cunt. just because the gameplay is different doesn't mean they are all a different series. there is no 2D series or 3D series because it's all one series.
>>322571180
Yoshi's Island is also considered Super Mario World 2 if I'm not mistaken.
>>322571442
Wario Land's full title is Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
>>322571667
Then that's a fair point.
these threads always just prove to me /v/ actually knows very little abut the n64
they cant name 5 games in its library that werent RARE, mario, or zelda, they cant wrap their head around D-pad AND analog controls, and the graphical limitations that existed in 1996
>>322571919
I think the N64 is shit, but I still don't understand how people can't wrap their head around how the controller works. The only issue with it is the analog stick is shitty and breaks easily but otherwise it's a fine controller.
>>322571919
You fucking serious? See >>322570479
>>322572174
it is not a fine controller
as you already mentioned the analog stick is fucked
face buttons for camera instead of a second analog stick
three handholdy parts
more handholding than any other controller ie not hardcore enough
seriously though it was made like this so you could hold it in one of three ways and that is a mistake they made again with the wii and wiiu. simple ps2 oe gamecube or xbox controller schemes are really the way to go one way to really hold it and mappings should always make sense.
n64 controller was poorly mapped and the only good version is that rare ass little mini controller that hori or whatever weird jap company made.
>>322571919
Did the N64 even have 5 games worth playing?
>>322570325
SMB = "Super Mario Brothers"
Emphasis on the BROTHERS. No Luigi = no Bros.
>>322571374
By your logic, Donkey Kong and DK Jr. are "SMB games," too.
Also, I know I've read where Miyamoto himself made this distinction.
>>322571442
That subtitle was added for the international release, though. It wasn't used in Japan, AFAIK.
>>322572661
most /v/ users, not all
>>322572702
3 handholds. 2 for analog stick, z button, and the right side of the controller, and the other for Dpad and C buttons, for D-pad control like in Mischief makers
not that hard of a concept to udnerstand
>>322572794
Including Nintendo and Rare titles? Yes.
Excluding them? Also yes, but you have to look considerably harder to find them since the Nintendo and Rare titles are generally what the console's remembered for.
>>322572964
yeah i get it but just why, it is such a poor layout. less inputs than ps2 controller and that has a much better layout so its not like they were running out of space. nes was perfect for the time, snes was god tier for the time. they really dropped the ball with n64. gamecube is great. wii is shit, wii u tablet is horse shit
>>322573328
>wii u tablet is horse shit
I'm guessing you've never held it? What's wrong with it? It feels perfect.
>>322573328
>wii u tablet is horse shit
It's subpar as a conventional controller but surprisingly good as a glorified handheld. Playing games like Super Mario 3D World and Dong Freeze on it was pretty enjoyable in my experience.
>>322573328
>less inputs than a controller that came years later
>best controller for analogue control at the time
>allowed 2 ways to play if developers didnt want to program for the stick
>actually allowed the player to control the camera while the original dualshock used tank controls
n64 is far and away nintendo's most overrated console, gamecube the most underrated.
64 is middle of the pack. GC is second best
>>322572794
Five, yes. But maybe not ten.
>>322572174
Layout is bad in that you have to choose between the stick and the D-pad, but for some games, you want to be able to switch back and forth. In order to use both the pad and the stick without moving your hand, you have to use your right hand for the stick, and then you can't use most of the buttons easily. On any proper controller, I don't have to move my hand to switch between stick and pad, just my thumb.
And as you said, the stick was horrible. Even when it's new, it's sloppy, and it inevitably breaks eventually. That alone puts it in the category of worst stock controllers ever, right behind the Atari 5200.
>>322573892
Ive had 4 n64 controllers since 2002, and not a single one of them have had their sticks break
What the hell are you doing to them
>>322573507
>>322573585
wow have you noticed how the analogs and face buttons are backwards in the worst way or how it is way too goddmaned heavy for a controller or how its so fucking unweidly. i suffer through that shit to play wii u games but holy fuck its awful.
>>322574029
And I had an xbox 360 that never got the rrod and my launch ps2 still works to this day. Just because you have a few controllers that haven't broken doesn't mean it wasn't a fucking problem for a lot of other people.
>>322573892
>tfw I have 18 year old N64 controllers that still work like the day they were made
Me and my 2 older brothers each had controllers we used - I used red and they used green and gray. My red controller's stick wore out but the controllers they used still hold up to this day, and all 3 were subject to countless hours of Smash, Goldeneye, Mario Party, and Mario Kart.
>>322574209
>a controller that houses a mini CPU inside to play games, PLUS the screen is heavy
wow, stop the presses
>>322574209
I'll concede that its bulk makes it inferior to traditional controller form factor but man, I have twigs for arms and can still use the controller with ease.
>>322574209
>how it is way too goddmaned heavy for a controller
The Xbox 360 controller felt heavier. Seriously, how much can you lift?
>analogs and face buttons are backwards in the worst way
What the hell are you talking about?
>>322572813
super mario brothers isn't its own series. i've stated multiple times that they and all the other super mario platformers are a part of the super mario series. donkey kong and dk jr. aren't a part of the super mario series because . when super mario bros. came out after donkey kong it set up it's own themes and introduced it's own identifiable objects and gameplay mechanics. every super mario game afterwards had those while introducing new mechanics, progression.
>>322574370
is it too much to ask for my video gaming experience to be not literally weighed down by gimmicks?
>>322574536
360 is in no way heavier, and i dont even know man i doubt i can even lift my own bodyweight though. i suppose a controllers quality really rides on that though.
look at the ps2 layout and how perfect it is, then look at the wii u. the analogs on the outside and face buttons on the inside is back asswards retarded. how do anyones hands work that way.
>>322573605
dual shock came one year later and they figured it out. in the words of nintendo bigman himself uncle shiggy diggy "rushed is bad forever delayed is eventually good."
its like you faggots dont even like/play videogames.
>>322574976
>weighed down by gimmicks
yah, fuck portability, what an awful thing to be able to play with. Who cares it fits into your hands just fine, its too heavy.
>>322559480
the best console is the one thatyou grew up with
>>322575179
portability? tell me you dont actually use this thing on the shitter and spread your filthy shit germs to your controllers. tell me your arent a child and your dad makes you not play on the tv so he can watch sports. jesus christ guy what are you? its not like you can take that shit down the street, i cant even get to the far side of my house before that shit is getting sketchy. what portability options do you even mean besides all that shit.
>>322575457
I mean using it as a screen while my roommate uses the TV, you autist
Only PS1 kids say the N64 was the worst Nintendo console.
Excluding the VB, the wii was the worst Nintendo console, especially post-2008.
>>322574663
The later Mario games still use mechanics from DK and Mario Bros., though (climbing and jumping). Also, turtles and coins made their debut in MB. And as far as progression goes, NSMB was specifically a choice to go back and actually develop on the foundation of SMB1-4, rather than the radical departure which SM64 represented. More than "progress," SM64 just discarded the entire established formula in favor of exploration.
Also:
>doesn't capitalize
>doesn't punctuate properly
I'm sick of trying to read you posts, so I'm done arguing with you.
>>322575551
tell your boyfriend to get his own tv. no amount of anal sex is worth your fucking tv man. tell me you do own the tv right? you aren't the bum in the situation?
>>322565309
It has better exclusives than the Wii.
>>322575936
I dont know if you've ever been in a shared apartment before, but you cant commandeer a TV 24/7
>>322567205
> Durr rehash
Why the fuck are people so eager to throw away their credibility with dumbfuck simplifications like this?
>>322575739
WiiU's handily worse than Wii at this juncture. Wii actually had a pretty good 2010 and an okay 2009. 2011 onwards, though? Shit was dead, man.
>>322576025
if you own a tv you sure as hell can. tell that faggot to pay for his own shit or move it to your room.
>>322576110
>great 2014
>shit 2015
>lots of good games coming out in 2016
I dont follow
>>322575739
Dude, as I said upthread, I had (still have, in fact) a N64 and never owned an original PS. I also have a NES (still working) and a SNES (recently blew a cap, I think). The N64 drove me away from Nintendo.
>>322576090
Because at the end of the day, that's all anyone remembers about it. Was it JUST a rehash? No. But it was enough of one to overshadow everything else about it in people's memories.
>>322576198
>lots of good games coming out in 2016
I've got Star Fox Zero and Zelda U on my radar, and both of those I'm pretty cautious about. Apparently I'm missing something.
>>322559480
n64 lost all the support it had in the Super days, Gamecube tried getting it back
>>322576485
And failed miserably, which is when Nintendo realized they needed to try something different, hence the Wii.
>>322576485
>Gamecube tried getting it back
With only limited success, I might add.
>there are people on /v/ who thinks the N64 is better than the snes
>>322559480
I've always wondered what determined a "good console." I mean, a bad was is easy to identify. Did it have shit games? Then it was bad. But good seems a little more complex than that. The N64 had a handful of great games. Say what you will, but SM64 and OoT were revolutionary.
It's library wasn't perfect though. If you wanted RPGs, you were fucked, and if you wanted a game not aimed towards children, you were also fucked, for the most part at least. I also feel that, looking back on it, the library was limited, in comparison to the PSX anyway. The 1st party games were generally good, and there were a handful of good 3rd party games here and there, but I feel like I already own all of those games, and I have, like, 15 or 20 N64 games probably. With the PSX, I'm still going back and discovering great games that I'd previously never heard of.
But the console itself had some serious flaws. The controller sucked ass, and it stuck with outdated cartridge-based games that held less memory and broke easily. Some games needed you to go out and get an expansion pack to run properly. Most games saved on the cartridge, so if you needed a game replaced you likely have to start over. (There was a memory card for the system, but fuck if I know what it's actually used for.)
With that being said, the graphics were superior to the PSX, at least I felt, and there weren't really any load-times to worry about. I feel the console wars were more interesting in those days. Consoles had more in the way of exclusives, and the N64 and PSX operated different enough to create their own, unique advantages. Now we have Microsoft and Sony more or less doing the same thing, with Nintendo trying to create fads like it did with the Wii, ultimately harming itself in the technical department.
tl;dr: autistic shit that ultimately doesn't matter.
>>322563546
SNES>GC>N64>NES>Wii>>>>> turd>>>>Wii U
GBA>GBC>DS=PSP>3DS>GB
To be honest, the Wii U sucked balls.
>>322573892
>Layout is bad in that you have to choose between the stick and the D-pad, but for some games, you want to be able to switch back and forth.
I can only think of Rogue Squadron (and, therefore, probably Battle of Naboo) having this as a legitimate gameplay issue because the camera options on my preferred control layout are mapped to the D-Pad while the rest of the gameplay gives you reason to always hold the stick. This is not a problem for me, however, because I'm okay with the default 3rd person camera. Can't say I know how others feel.
The AKI wrestling games (which, btw, are the only good wrestling games I've ever played) give you reason to use the stick in games that primarily use the d-pad, but it's done in the most unobtrusive way I can imagine because you only ever use the stick when you are literally not doing anything else for a couple of seconds. Seriously, use of the stick in those games is so far from twitch gameplay that the only thing slower I can think of is a turn-based menu screen game.
Can you name 5 more games that *require* you use the both stick and the D-pad? How awkward or obtrusive is it? Games that give you the option of either stick or D-pad don't count, because using both aren't necessarily requred.
>>322578641
N64 > Snes > Wii > GC > NES > Wii U
>>322578689
>Can you name 5 more games that *require* you use the both stick and the D-pad?
It's not so much a matter of that (most devs knew better), as it is games where the control schemes ended up being limited by the controller design. Goldeneye, for example, would have benefited from not having the C-buttons tied to same functions as the the D-pad. Similarly, OoT and MM would have benefited from being able to use the D-pad to aim. I get what Nintendo was trying to do, but it just came out feeling very clunky and seeming not well thought-out.
But I don't like the Dreamcast controller, either, so maybe it's me. I will say I appreciate Sony more or less sticking to a design once they found one that worked (unlike either Nintendo or Sega), though I have to say I don't like the DS3 as much as the DS2, and while I haven't used the DS4 yet, I'm leery of the touchscreen and it looks cheap to me.
>>322577754
>psx
End yourself
>>322581212
>Similarly, OoT and MM would have benefited from being able to use the D-pad to aim
you're kidding, right? FPS's play like shit with D-pad controls
Man I miss translucent gaming consoles, some people think it looks bad but I love it.
>>322559480
GC > N64 > SNES > Wii U > NES > Wii
>>322581630
But OoT and MM aren't really FPS. At any rate, it would have been nice to have an easy way to aim while on horseback without losing control of movement.
>>322578735
N64 > Nes > GC > Snes > GC > someone shitting in my mouth > being eaten alive by rats > your mom > Wii > Wii U
