>There will never be a fully open world Souls game
It hurts...
Open World is cancer
Thank god.
>>322520107
Dark Souls only works because it is NOT open world.
>>322520535
Well it's the best kind of open world
Open world killed metal gear, don't let it take anymore games down with it.
I fucking hate Open World games.
Open world only works for certain games
Dark souls is not one of those games
Grand theft auto gets a pass. And a handful of others but please please stop turning my favorite games open world ;_;
>>322520659
NON LINEAR =/= OPEN WORLD
LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE
>Open world Souls game
OH BOY you know what'd be great?! What if we took a series well known and loved for its unparalleled, nearly flawless level design (not talking to you DS2 babbies fuck off preemptively with your shit game) and remove all of it. That'd be fuckin swell.
Jesus what a terrible idea.
>>322520668
Open world is a lie in MGSV
>Where are you going? That's outside the mission area!
Literally nothing to explore
>>322520265
This.
Not everything should be open world.
There's literally no REAL open World Game.
Open world is the worst fucking thing to happen to video games
>Reviewers thinking RPGs and Open world games are synonymous
>>322521170
Sometimes when I fell own, comments like yours are making me feel better.
Thank god I'm at least not you (Or Anthony Burch)
open world in MGS sucks. It's only open world cause you have to walk to the next mission.
>Dark Souls 1 was advertised as open world
>the concept of an open world Demon's Souls was the most hype thing possible
>my fucking disappointment when I got the game
>>322521239
Agree idk why but souls should stay as it is. Even if they would make mmo souls it should stay like that. Zones where everyone can hang out and then zones where if you want to play with other people you have to party up with them before entering (like dungeons in every other mmo)
Open World doesn't always work, fucknuts
See Dragon Age Inquisition.
>>322521170
>unparalleled, nearly flawless level design
top kek
>>322521170
Can someone explain to me why ppl hate so much ds2 from other souls games?
I bought ds2 on sale done 60h im in draengleic caslte. I also bought ds1 and will play it after ds2 so should I expect ds1 being better if I really like ds2 now?
as long as the map is still metroidvania and not any nexus bullshit like memeborne or demon souls.
>>322520107
> wanting dark souls to become an even BIGGER meme game
>>322523136
How fucking stupid do you have to be to play games in a series outside of release order?
Honestly
>>322522809
Name ONE game with better level design (Not counting DS2 obviously.)
Go ahead, I'll wait. Take your time you shitposting contrarian fuccboi.
>>322521980
Yeah, thank god you're not me, because if you were I'd be a retarded, illiterate fuck.
>>322523136
Yeah, it's not even a contest. The only reason you're even enjoying DS2 is because you played it first (like everyone else on /v/ I've seen stick up for that B-team shitpile).
>>322522623
>mmo souls
>>322522772
See MGSV
>>322523136
It's not nearly as bad as some retards are making it out to be. The DLCs are great in particular
>>322523663
they have nothing to do with each other, the only way you can connect them is if you pay attention, read item descriptions, and read in between the lines WHILE having knowledge of the lore of the previous game.
>>322520107
That's retarded, Dark souls games only need to be one to one in terms of level scale or if they must have multiple territories, have a demon souls type level hub.
>>322523663
because I like to make boys like u mad over the internet :)
>>322523830
souls where you can make a party before entering particular zone, whats wrong with that?
>>322523136
>shitty hitboxes and enemy tracking
>every boss is a variation of a guy with a big sword
>soul memory
>covenants are shittier
>graphics downgrade
>world isn't as well connected
I think its ok though
>>322523136
it's a meme you dip
almost all arguments made for why DaS2 is bad apply to DaS1 too
the only objectively bad things are how netplay items are handled and lamer npc interactions/quests
>>322524312
so how do you explain terrible boss grabs in ds1 compared to ds2?
>>322524304
why would you want that?
and an mmo implies a lot more
>>322523136
You'll probably like DS1 more, but DS2 isn't a bad game. DS2's biggest problems are that it's too linear, too easy, and has too much immersion-breaking bloating of items and lore, and all the bosses and enemies are boring humanoid designs. I beat DaS before playing DaSII, and I still really like DaSII despite its flaws.
Whenever a great game comes out and gets a sequel that isn't perfect, people will naturally cherrypick the everloving shit out of its flaws while ignoring the flaws of the first game, since it now serves as a basis (ie; template) for comparison. Hyper-autismo /v/ is no exception. If DaS is a 10/10, DaS2 is an 8/10.
>>322524420
>almost all arguments made for why DaS2 is bad apply to DaS1 too
I had the same impression
>>322524546
Coz I like doing dungeons in a party
>>322520107
Good
>>322520107
>there will never be a Souls game that's just post Anal Londo with more paths
>>322524528
What boss in ds1 had shitty grab moves?
>>322523724
>Not counting DS2 obviously.
why anon, DS2 level design is fucking abysmal fampai
>>322524731
>since it now serves as a basis (ie; template) for comparison. Hyper-autismo /v/ is no exception
I should stop caring what ppl are saying on internet and just enjoy games I like
>>322524975
Centipede ?
>>322524975
Manus has one that I always found a bitch. The others are easy enough to avoid.
>>322523912
>they have nothing to do with each other
>you just need to have knowledge of the lore of the previous game
I bet OP wasn't even shitposting. Some poor fuck out there fell for the open world meme and thought this was a legit good idea.
>>322525206
Exactly. That's why I said not counting it. Because I expected him to come back and be like "OH LOOK AT ALL THESE SHIT DARK SOULS LEVELS" and then proceed to list every level in DS2.
>>322520107
That is literally LITERALLY the worst thing you could do to a souls game.
>>322523663
>jumping into a series late
>not just playing the most recent one
So when the next Final Fantasy comes out, you'd be retarded to play it if you haven't played the other million Final Fantasies? Dumbass.
>>322522809
>implying it isn't
>>322520107
This is a bad idea, and you should feel bad for wanting it.
>>322525893
It depends on the game. Just because AAA publishers have completely forgotten what the word sequel means and just slap "GAME 37" on the box to sell copies through brand recognition doesn't mean it's always ok to just play the newest game in a series.
For example, I'm playing Trails in the Sky SC right now, and you'd have to be a fucking idiot to not play the first one first because you wouldn't even remotely know what the fuck is going on.
Dark Souls 2 isn't like that, but people should still play the other games in the series first because Dark Souls 2 is just much shittier.
> Open world souls.
Why? Do you even think about this stuff before wanting it?
The games are good because of there level design, can you imagine a whole game that's 90% the second half of Darkroot?
It wouldn't work, you'd get lost all the time, combat would be abysmal because you'd have all the space in the world, there'd have to be bonfires every few hundred feet or you'd suffer through tedious walks back through a boring open field.
So much of the reason these games are good is the level design, open world works in games focused on vechiles (GTA) or games that want exploring a massive world to be the primary focus (Elder Scrolls, Witcher).
>>322525482
not what i said, try again faggot
>>322520107
Man that would be great. Would love to see what they could do with an entire open world to play with.
Coming from someone who agrees that DaS2 is easily the worst in the series the fucking temper tantrums about the level design is so fucking over exaggerated.
You are literally just bad if you had trouble in that game. And don't even tell me you hate it because it has nothing to do with difficulty, you're full of shit and you're bad.
>>322526409
You're right. What you said was even more stupid now that I'm re-reading it. You must be a total goon lol
>>322524528
>NYC
That southern shit spread to NYC? I didn't think it was possible to get fat there especially since you have to walk 90% of the time you're there. That place is also known for having really good looking women. Jesus...
>>322523663
Forcing yourself to play previous games so you can play the newest one only because you didnt pay attention to the series before. Instead of trying the game and if you like it playing the whole series.
how was fallout 4 for you anon?
>>322526497
I've gotten every achievement / Platinum trophy for every single Souls game including Bloodborne, TWICE for Demon's Souls (Chinese AND American versions) AND Dark Souls 1 (360 and PC versions). I've also beaten Demon's Souls and DS1 at SL1.
Dark Souls 2 has shit level design. It's fucking linear, boring as shit and lazy as fuck because everything is just in a straight line out of Majula and it doesn't make any fucking logical sense how they connect to each other.
YOU'RE full of shit, and YOU'RE bad.
Now fuck off.
>>322526445
>Would love to see what they could do with an entire open world to play with.
You'd see THE shittiest level design ever, horrid game play, and forgettable bosses like in DaS2.
>>322523724
Super Mario Bros
>>322527382
Nope :^) because being linear isn't inherently bad.
Yes, the connecting world in 1 is better but that has nothing to do with the actual design of the levels.
Now fuck off.
>>322520107
>There will never be a fully open world Souls game
Thank god. I'd rather well though out levels over open world.
This "open world" meme is killing vidya.
>>322527382
>360
stopped reading there
>>322520107
darksouls is open world though
>>322526497
>Windmill to volcano
>cliff of no return
>mobs of enemies
>ugly ass textured boxes that fill entire rooms
>boring linear shit
>bonfires every 2 minutes
>>322527451
I don;t know how that makes sense to you. All the GTA games were open world. RDR as well. There's a fuckton amazing open world AAA games. Why would going open world somehow magically make everything terrible? I've got to wonder what kind of open world games you must be used to to have it leave such a foul taste in your mouth. Those are my favorite types of games.
>>322526941
same anon, i live in nyc also, the image was just for funs. But yeah no there are a lot of obese ppl coz theres fastfood everywhere (expect hipster areas where everything is organic) and you dont have to walk a lot, just wait (trains, buses can get you everywhere) and if you are exceptional lazy fatass ther are cabs and uber waiting for u.
>>322526660
Don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>322527741
I'm on the Island maybe 40 mins outside the city and we don't have any landwhales like that. That's scary, man.
>>322527952
this.
>>322527382
>bitching about everything being accesible from Majula
>Demon's Souls gets a free pass on this for some reason
I mean, I know you are just pretending to be retarded but I've seen people who genuinely hold this double standard.
Every single game in the Souls series is good, give it a rest.
>>322527952
You told me to try again, bro. If you can't play nice, just leave.
>>322521175
I know this is bait but there's a mode where you could just run around and fuck shit up
>>322520107
>tfw metro isn't open world
>>322527738
They would focus on quantity to fill up the world and lose all sense of quality.
>Those are my favorite types of games
Just because you like them, doesn't mean they would work for a game like Dark souls.
>>322528069
Only 3 areas are accessible from majula. 4 if you count huntsman's copse.
>>322527681
>One of the FOUR platforms you've played the Souls series on was a 360! OPINION DISCARDED
Dat desperation when you have no argument doe.
Here, have a smug anime girl so you can deflect some more. It's not obvious and pathetic at all.
>>322528069
Yeah because Demons Souls had good enemy placement with its linear design.
>>322528069
First of all, they're not accessible from Majula. Only like 3 directions are. Everything else connects to THOSE linearly.
And second of all, the bigger problem is that it makes no sense HOW they connect. Instead of a living world it's "Oh, here's the fire level. Here's the poison level. Here's the forest level. Here's the swampy blighttown level."
It's uninspired and dull as fuck.
>>322528539
>Dat
stopped reading there
>>322523136
I found DS2 to be consistently decent all the way through.
DS1 amazing until you have the lord vessel then pretty gash after.
>>322527681
Fucking retard
>>322528661
Not to mention you can do the areas in any order you want.
>>322528970
>meme
stopped reading there
>>322529065
>stopped
Ceased reading there.
>>322529065
>
stopped reading there
>>322523136
DS2 isn't bad, but I can understand some criticisms. All Souls games have their positives and negatives which make it really difficult to say one is better than the other.
DS2 stepped down on level structure (even though DaS is at fault for the same thing, but not as bad as this game) due to time constraints, weapon degradation being too unfair, and adaptability (invincibility frames) being tied to skill points.
>>322527681
>>322528912
>>322529065
WE GET IT BRO, YOU DON'T READ ENTIRE POSTS, THANKS FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE THREAD.
>>322520107
bait/10
>>322528965
>posts an IS image
who cares what you think, cancer?
>>322529161
>Ceased reading there
stopped reading there
>>322529215
>>
stopped reading there
>>322529261
>BRO
stopped reading there
>>322520265
What games did open world well instead of just making it into a glorified singleplayer MMO collectathon(witcher 3, assassins creed, just cause, etc), and how do you do open world well?
>>322528853
>It's uninspired and dull as fuck.
It isn't as neat, but thats it.
Its obvious the dev wants to create a unique varied world without the constraint of making it 'seamless'.
In DaS these feature is neato, but I think that is as far as it goes.
If anything, the level design that feature this aspect in DaS all have a rather dull and uninspiring design.
>>322528853
This was so fucking dumb now that I look back it. It's almost as if they HAD to throw every fucking environment that a game could possibly have into stupid areas.
>>322529342
>>>
>>322520107
What exactly would be great about this? What would this add to the series? I don't really understand. Open world doesn't automatically equal good.
>>322520107
Who would ever want that?
>>322529304
I saved it because I liked it as a reaction image, you know what series it's from and enough about said series to make a value judgement on me being cancer based off your perception of it.
You're the cancer senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-xpJRwIA-Q
>>322528358
Pretty much this.
The bad thing with Asscreed, Witcher3, Batman, Mad Max, GTA and all those shitty open-world isn't the fact that they are opened, it's the fact that they don't have any kind of lvl-design.
At all.
>>322520107
Open world in video games is terrible. Video games just don't have the tools necessary to take advantage of it, unlike literature.
>>322528402
That is a totally baseless assumption.
>>322529607
meant to quote this one>>322527707
>>322529651
Do you like the elder scrolls games?
>>322523724
DK64 I'm not even kidding, it has some the best and fun level designs that I have ever played.
>>322529651
>literature
>open world
i think there is still scope to have an open world map alongside tight level design. think about the runescape or WoW world layout. most people here are surely being pessimistic about it.
>>322529607
well said
>>322529607
I felt like Mad Max was more about the vehicle stuff though. I get what you're saying though.
>>322529607
Do developers seriously think we gain anything out of copy-pasted "locations" that award us some pointless item, or is it just "hurr the plebs won't see through it"? It's fucking MMO design at it's worst.
>>322520107
there will never be a star wars themed souls like with deep lightsaber combat
>tfw no fitting face image
>>322529607
why is GTA in this list? its not perfect, but its a league above the other games listed.
>>322525893
legitimately yes. you're just going to fuck yourself out of any good experience playing earlier FFs because their combat systems and controls are so antiquated
>>322521170
Isn't Dark Souls technically an open-world game? It even has no loading screens between areas, everything's interconnected.
But I definitely agree that most open-world games are absolute trash with no level design whatsoever, just flat plains and filler. I was just wondering if Dark Souls would still be classified as open-world despite its excellent level design.
While I agree that DaS level design is the best in the series. I much prefer DaS2 just because there's much more variety to play as and system is pretty much expanded with the spells and combat and thus giving you more replay value. I understand it's not as fast as DaS but it doesn't bother me. The only real complaint that I have aside from the level design (which isn't really that terrible to begin with) is the I-frame sync with the stat and some broken ass poise.
Plus the PvP is at least tolerable compared to the 3 games.
>>322530472
The souls game model doesn't work with star wars at all.
>respawning
>interconnected worlds, not missions
>no direct story
etc
unless you went full fan fiction and set it in the age of the old old old sith and jedi or something
Everyone here's opinion is wrong and you're all faggots
/thread
>fuck passing just maek a epik open wolrd XDD
>>322530845
you're retarded
/thread
>>322530987
My fault, thought I was on /v/ right :^)?
>>322530836
kekedikek nigga
>>322530472
Well the Jedi Knight games has a much more deeper combat system than souls just sayin
>>322531092
Nope, this is reddit.
I really can't understand how people enjoy playing these games, liking the lore etc fair enough but fucking hell who actually enjoys getting recked over and over by a shitty boss, it just becomes annoying.
>>322531146
yeah, no
>>322530472
>deep lightsaber combat
>intense saberspinning action
>>322529662
You are actually mentally disabled if you don't think that the quality would go to shit if they really wanted to make a full open world game. Stop kidding yourself.
>>322531229
that only happens to the inept
>>322531229
My good lad, keep in mind that you could always summon a fruitful companion to aid in boss fights. There are NPC summon signs and often real player signs as well. It's a brilliant method of preventing players from becoming stuck.
>>322528358
Fucking this, with more focus on the novels.
>>322531229
Maybe if you
>git gud
You'd understand
>>322531384
Not really, I think every single play through I've seen someone play they constantly die on certain bosses. There's always the piss easy ones like the giant in DaS2 but there's multiple bosses you are going to get fucked on over and over and it's not enjoyable.
>>322531253
Yeah, yes
It even has different movesets together with a combination of force powers that you can fuck over your enemy. Plus if you swing your saber like a shitter or don't even use additional weapons as backup or even get creative with the force powers you use your gonna get fucked in the multiplayer
>>322530836
Would work better as a platinum character action game desu
>>322531508
That's true actually, summons make the bullshit bosses a lot easier so I'll give you that.
>>322530472
>tfw no Star Wars game with Bushido Blade gameplay
>>322531608
people who make lets plays are pretty much always maximally inept. you might as well watch a toddler play!
>>322529370
STALKER series did it well IMO. I think open worlds need to have immersion as their central pillar. If you're really aware that your just out to collect x flowers and kill y rats then wandering is tedious, whereas if the world is immersive (Fallout, for instance) it makes it more fun to explore.
>>322530650
I agree with this one.
I got alot more mileage out of DaS2 than the other 2 games.
While I do admit that DaS had one hell of a level design and DeS had a great enemy placement.
>>322531883
Implying DSP isn't amazing at video games, even he had trouble with these games!
>>322531725
However, I do actually agree that there are many criticisms of Dark Souls franchise that are often overlooked. Poor tutorial, questionable progression, clunky combat, subpar graphics, disjointed story, etc. It's still a fantastic game with masterful level design, but it does have some frustrating elements.
it's called Dragon's Dogma
>>322523136
played 1, just bought Scholar and am about to jump in
Who are those masked guys? They look rad as fuck and I want to know if I can wear that mask ingame
>>322532428
The masks were cut from the game, they walk around with no heads now.
Gameplay wise they, like pretty much every other enemy in DS2, are extremely underwhelming.
>>322520107
it doesn't need an open world tho
>>322520107
But... All but Demon's have been open world.
>>322532428
>>322533198
Also their "mask" is in the game and it's so shit they should have just not even bothered.
>>322532428
Looked too much like a Naruto mask or something, it became this mask instead.
>>322524731
DS2 is way less linear than DS1 though.
>>322533997
kek, they were met with legal action?
>>322533198
>>322533949
>>322533997
I've never been so hyped and then disappointed so fast
>there will never be a near east-based souls game
>>322534494
I want Mayan Souls
I want Cyborg Souls
I want Ghostbuster Souls
>>322534704
I want whacky-ass occult perennialist new age conspiracy souls
>>322520107
There won't be. Souls is designed to be challenging and require discipline. I would rather have that than a crafted open world, but gameplay that an ape can do well in.
>>322533997
I actually like that one more, its less edgy tear shit and more ayy lmao
>>322534887
>Illuminati Souls
I could dig it.
Isn't Souls already open world? Demon's is the only level based one.
>>322520107
You know what hurts?
Someone cutting your legs off while you're fully lucid!
That really hurts!
>>322535608
Open world usually has connotations, like the world being open in the way it is laid out, unlike the relatively linear and narrow dark souls levels.
>>322529370
Gothic 1 and 2
>how do you do open world well?
Don't fill it with hundreds of shitty unmemorable location for starter
>>322535853
But there's no loading screen or instances dividing the world of Dark Souls. The only barriers are locked doors. If you have the master key you can play the game in pretty much any order.
It's open world.
>>322534494
>South East Asian Dark Souls
>Space Souls (Dystopian future shit or actually in space)I could honestly imagine a Star Wars game with souls-esque gameplay (most Bosses are monsters or other force users, lots of 1 on 1 dueling like in Bloodborne
>>322536194
Are Castlevania open worlds?
>>322532325
Dragon's Dogma was made much worse by having a majority of the main game in shitty, open, flat terrain. The vanilla game was unplayable, only BBI redeemed it.
>>322536407
Yeah.
The Metroid level design is one based on exploring a gradually opening world. The world is all technically open to you, you just need specific abilities to access it. Nothing is cut off from the world by a load screen, it's all connected together.
Open world doesn't mean "big Skyrim wasteland". You could have an open world game set in a narrow maze.
>>322536194
That just means it's nonlinear and interconnected. It's true that dark souls is technically an open world game, but it still deals with "levels". Most open world games like currently popular are one big flat map, where you can walk kilometers in any direction relatively unhindered.
There's no official definition though so it's up to each man to define for himself, but it's relatively clear what OP meant.
>>322536652
>Open world doesn't mean "big Skyrim wasteland".
I wish AAA developers would understand that
>>322530639
How is it above other open world games? If anything, it's the most bare-bones of them all.
Those polished animation and "TECHNOLOGY xD" can't hide the shallow GTA3 gameplay.
>>322536584
>Flat terrain
Granted its mostly flat around Gran Soren, but most of the country in Dragon's Dogma isn't flat.
>tfw no open world FPS/RPG with Dark Messiah combat and physics.
>>322537987
>tfw no open world RTS/puzzle game with super mario 64 movement and physics
Why can't open world games handle flight very well? Like any open world fantasy game will not have a playable flying race.
>>322520107
Why the fuck would Dark Souls go Open World. how would that make it a better game?
Some people just dont know better
>>322520107
Thank fucking god for that.
>>322538505
>tfw no open world racing/rpg game with crash bandicoot physics and movement
>>322523136
>ppl
