Is Old School Runescape literally the only good MMO anymore, nostalgia aside?
>>322498571
It shows how MMOs should be like, grindy af.
>>322500071
It also shows that MMOs don't have to be gear treadmills at endgame.
yep.
recently got back into it. once I get ancients i'll probably do some pvp.
>>322498571
I've been playing Darkscape.
>>322500524
I dropped it, way to many updates to fast. Really dissapointed. Played it first 6-8 months it came out. 120+combat 96 slayer almost everyquest.
Easyscape update after bad update after dumb update.
It really is the best thing out there MMO wise though honestly and only TRUE sandbox in my opinion. So I just stick to shitty single player games now while something good never comes out.
four more days.
>>322501314
Whats in 4 days? I've been out of the loop for RS for a while
I played the first couple of weeks when it was free so everyone could try it out, and later 2 weeks when it became f2p.
From what I can see in >>322500524 they've been adding/changing a couple of things. Does it still feel like osrs or is it turning into runescape 3 with shit graphics?
>>322501532
Batch 1 of Zeah, the new continent.
It's gonna be awful, but it's going to fuck so many things up, so the whole game will be wild ride.
>>322498571
>that login screen
>old school
Holy hell I am old now.
>>322501636
>Does it still feel like osrs or is it turning into runescape 3 with shit graphics?
No new quests minus MM2.whenever.
More high level PvM focused updates.
Replace churned out costumes with petscape autism.
And of course shitters who RWT bonds for stupidly expensive gear.
Honestly, if you can get over noquests, you'll have fun,
>>322501314
how much are blood and soul runes going to drop in price when zeah hits?
>>322502257
You mean all runes, and probably a shit ton.
Gonna be a paradise for ez 99s and flippers.
Zeah? Is this for rs3 or oldschool?
>>322503191
osrs
yo come find me on donation hillat the duel arena on world 2, im broke asf, someone give me the top dolla!!
Any tips or guides for beginners?
>>322504648
fish and start slayer as soon as possible.
What's the point of playing old school if I still have to pay for membership?
Runescape is awful and runs on pure nostalgia.
>>322498571
no. fighting in that game is so bad.
>>322504648
Check out the tutorials all the time and dont get scammed lika lil shit. Dont afk ever or you will get banned for """botting""". Check the pices b4 u buy anything.
Is there a private server for OSRS? I don't want to pay Jagex anything ever again.
>>322505737
*prices. Also dont wander the wildy with all your expensive shit on you or say bye bye to everything.
>The middle grounds or whatever the fuck the thing after the huge line Is now always PvP
>why
>>322498571
>Got urge to play WoW, bored within 2 weeks
>Now have urge for OSRS
I know I shouldn't given I've near dropped WoW again so quickly but god damn the urge is strong.
>>322506125
I felt the same way. Sure I enjoyed playing WoW for like the week I did when I resubbed, but it got so fucking boring so fast, I don't think I can play MMOs like WoW anymore.
>>322501848
Well I guess you are, that load screen is from like 12 years ago or more now.
>>322506125
I took the urge and stayed for a few months purely because of nostalgia on OSRS.
So what's with stakers being absolutely fucking retarded? You walk into the duel arena world and you get 9million people who instantly challenge you to extremely retarded shit like some a low CB with 99 defense saying "unarmed fight only stake a fury"
It's the most autistic thing I've seen ingame so far.
>>322506103
>now
>>322506103
Is this little bitch tallking about the Wildy?
>>322498571
What's wrong with RS3?
>tfw no life
Apparently they're releasing a whole new continent, I think it's supposed to be bigger than the mainland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maw1YB2tlrs
I haven't really been playing a lot recently though because it's hard to do a non AFK skill and watch undubbed anime
>>322509089
For those playing OSRS, how many of you had nostalgia going into it and who played RS for the first time on OSRS?
I never played RS and as much as I hear it's enjoyable, most people just chalk it up to nostalgia.
What about ESO. Should I play ESO, FFXIV or OSRS.
>>322498571
no rs3 is better
getting a new client soon too
I enjoy regular Runescape pretty well.
Still has the best quests of any MMO bar maybe FFXIV
>>322509562
FFXIV has a good MSQ but too bad the rest of the game isn't that good.
>>322509260
I started playing it in '04
I went into it because in around 2012 or something they released an update to normal Runescape which fucked up the combat system, the game basically turned super easy
The reason I still play OSRS is because it's a challenge, getting a 99 in most skills actually feels like an accomplishment, in the new Runescape it's "ok I'm going to just sit at my computer for 12 hours and now I have 99 crafting"
You can play the free version of the game, if you like it you can become a member.
>>322509684
Pretty much true.
Still, can't say I didn't have a great time just playing FFXIV, having Fraiser on Netflix in the background, and playing till the sun rose the first day I subbed.
>>322509885
I really enjoyed the game from 2.0-2.1, then just casually played the MSQ until the end of the first month of HW. I am an autist for professions, so I grinded the shit out of DoH/DoL the first month of the game and had a great time and it sucks HW made DoH so unbearable.
>>322509402
ANSWER WHICH MMO I SHOULD PLAY!
>>322506103
What
Please don't tell me you're a 2010 fag
>>322510262
Out of those I only played FFXIV and it's only good for the quests.
Yeah unfortunately it's the last bastion of greatness. Only a matter of time until it's ruined though. I think its popularity has surpassed RS3.
>>322510409
I think the population had always exceeded RS3.
>>322510262
Start with Runescape (regular), if you don't enjoy it then try OSRS, and then check with yourself on this:
Do you want more story quests, or more fighting?
If you want more fighting, go with ESO. More story, go with FFXIV.
>>322510409
>I think its popularity has surpassed RS3.
99 thousand people are playing across all the different versions of the game right now. 54 thousand of those are on OSRS. Not a huge difference, but OSRS definitely is bigger nowadays.
>>322510720
thanks anon. I think if I do RS I'll go OSRS since so many people are playing it instead of rs3.
>>322510875
That seems like enough to support a game. Since OSRS is a member's only thing, if members pay 10 dollars a month, that means (before taxes or anything) they're getting 540,000 a month on OSRS alone.
How many people work at Jagex?
>>322510720
Wait can you use one account with both RS3 and OSRS?
>>322506103
>the middle ground lands
>>322510875
It's pretty much a similar population, but everyone knows and all the statistics on bot bans/catches point to significantly higher bot numbers on OSRS, so if the populations are similar the real population is still probably skewed towards RS3
>>322498571
Either I was a retard as a kid or even this version got super easy
>>322511384
Pretty sure you just need one membership for OSRS access.
do you think there will ever be another mmo that isnt designed around the endgame?
I loved how in runescape low/middle/high level players all played a role and you werent really expected to even reach max level
>>322511587
you were probably a retard desu
I know what you're feeling, progress took me forever when I was a kid because I wanted to just do whatever for fun. e.g. playing castlewars instead of grinding levels, or doing quests without guides
>>322511587
The former and the game was never hard, just time consuming. The other "hard" part was knowing nothing. It is an old game so everyone already know the best methods for doing things. Things like how no one who knows what they are doing for becoming a warrior actually trains at low levels, they immediately do Waterfall Quest and jump straight to level 30-40 melee stats.
>>322511754
City of Heroes used to be this.
>>322511842
>doing quests without guides
I still dont know how people do this, unless it was the really low level ones
>>322498571
>played runescape for a few months in 2007
>never got very far because didnt know much about the game
>playing OSRS now and have 40 fishing, 35 in three combat skills
>not sure what to do first
I dig the textured look current Runescape has going on.
Honestly Runescape feels like a real fucking RPG, the gear isn't that big of a deal but still cool
>Getting the illusive white platemail because it looks good
Just give me an MMO where the world and everything works exactly like Runescape, but the game plays like Dark Souls
Why more MMOs never take ideas from RS is beyond me, it has a bunch of nice freedom, it's world is basically completely interactable and not static.
>>322512295
Every time I try to play RS I end up giving up because I can't figure out what I want to do. It's like the game draws out some kind of hidden ADD inside of me. It's a shame because I legitimately enjoy the game
>>322498571
It's not. The gameplay is just absolutely terrible and takes no skill. The skills are insanely boring. The only good thing about Runescape is the quests and the PVP.
I got to like 130 combat back in 2010 or so and had been playing since 2004. I played a bit of OSRS a year and a half ago.
>>322512295
pick one of the higher quests thatgive decent rewards like legends/heroes and try getting the requirements for it done
>>322511754
Runescape "didn't focus on endgame" because there initially was no endgame. 99 stats and such existed, but there was little to no content for it.
Then there is the power creep. People ignore content that doesn't have good rewards, so xp rates and such have to get better as new content comes out, meaning you reach higher levels faster, bypassing the low/mid level content. The late game content is what will see the most use and attention, so instead of saying "here is another level 70 thing to go along with the other 5 level 70 things you guys sometimes use but generally ignore" they move on to 80, 85, 90.
>>322511732
>need membership
So how the fuck are more people playing OSRS?
>>322513378
OSRS has free worlds now, but there's only a couple of them
>>322513378
They like it a lot.
>>322511326
That's very little money actually.
>>322513378
There are f2p worlds. Membership is for your account, so it works for members access in both games.
>>322513508
It depends on how many people are working at Jagex.
If it's like 20 people, assuming maintenance costs are about 100k a month, is a 22k salary a month. If it's 100 people, then that's still 4.4k a month, which is a pretty good 52.8k salary.
>>322513915
Jagex is significantly bigger than that, and they have said before that OSRS gets to be its little comfy player driven no MTX game because RS3 pays for everything.
>>322513378
There's a huge amount of botting in OSRS. They basically solved botting in RS3 but are very leniant in OSRS.
But even accounting for that, RS3's population is just abysmally bad. It brings in a lot more money though because of microtransactions.
>>322514141
Ah. Well, at the very least that means that OSRS isn't going anywhere for now, so long as RS3 pays the bills. And looking at it's new client, it could get a bit of a bump in players who were turned off by the old graphics.
>>322511326
Like 500 according to wikipedia. The OSRS team is like 10 people though. RS3 has microtransactions so it brings in way more money than OSRS.
>>322514617
I still don't get why people pay money for anything other than a subscription. Subs make sense, people enjoy the content they make for subscribers, but microtransactions? People are really paying enough in treasure keys and shit to keep them going?
>>322498571
No because you might as well be botting since the game lacks any interactivity
>>322498571
>Oldschool Runescape
>Only thing oldschool about it is the doodoo grafix
runescape is too flawed at its core to be good.
90% of the enemies in OSRS use melee attacks. Protection prayer blocks 100% of the damage from monsters and like 40% from players. You can really just walk anywhere in the game and be invincible with no items if you pray flash and pray flick.
Are there any good private servers left for Ragnarok Online?
>>322498571
>>grindscape
>>good
>>not quitting ten years ago to play something actually fun like KoL or shitpost on 4chan
>>322516681
Does RO hold up?
>>322516880
I think so. At least for pre-Renewal. I haven't played Renewal. You could even make a case for pre-Transcendent classes.
>>322516590
Not even remotely true. Every boss in the game attacks with multiple types of attacks. Many areas have enemies with different types of attacks. I don't like Runescape but you clearly didn't play it much.
>>322517125
Ya bosses do, I'm just talking about general areas in the game. Monsters rarely have two attack styles.
>>322514617
>Like 500 according to wikipedia.
How can RS3's content be so shit with such an enormous team? Holy fuck.
They really should just drop like 80% of those people, push out fewer updates, and force less of their microtransaction garbage. The vast majority of the weekly updates are worthless anyways as they're just random, low-effort filler content.
>>322517676
I think they're also a publisher. That, and a lot of people working on side-projects, makes them as big as they are.
Pardon my autism, by why are the developers adding Zeah when it has never been established in the gameworld or lore? Heck, there have been plenty of hints both about Eastern and Northern lands; I remember a bunch of us sperging and speculating about this stuff back in '07. Why are they dropping in this new continent out of the blue?
>>322518542
Because it's basically a private server.
They just do whatever the fuck they want
>>322518542
Well why not?
You can't let lore constrain you in terms of what you can make. USE the lore to make what you are making better.
>>322511754
The diversity of the playerbase came about because the game attracted players of all ages, abilities, and levels of interest.
But yes, it was probably the main reason the community felt so good. Unfortunately, that's just not feasible anymore.
>>322498571
Why are people complaining that osrs isn't literally runescape 2007?
It was created simply for people who didn't like the new graphical overhauls (that ruined armour and weapons), and people who didn't like the new combat system.
It was never meant to be a permanent snapshot of 2007. Why the fuck would it be? It would get boring within months. They are adding new content that the majority of the community want, all you have to do is vote against it if you don't.
>>322498571
I wish RS3 still had the original 'hd' character models instead of the new ones. I wish there was no voice acting. I wish auras or whatever didn't exist either since they look silly. I could probably tolerate it if those things were fixed.
OSRS is good.
>>322520434
I agree there should be changes but they implemented some pretty dumb ones. Probably the best idea they could've done, artisan, that was basically slayer but for skills wasn't put in the game.
>>322514361
>There's a huge amount of botting in OSRS.
Yeah, by peoplewho actually play. There's only aroun 1-2k~ heisenbergs though.
>>322517125
>remotely
He said 90% of the game, which is accurate. Almost everything in the game can be done with little to no damage.
Most enemies use one style, so prayer makes you invincible and able to afk them without any sort of defensive gear.
If their only style is melee, not only can you pray, but you can often safespot with a halberd, ranged, or magic.
If they use melee and another style, you can keep a distance and pray magic/ranged.
If they use ranged and magic, most of them use it in a telegraphed way so you can pray against the style they will use for that attack.
Also almost every monster in the game is subject to Walking, meaning they outright cannot attack you, so if in a group your team gets tons of free time to attack without anyone even being subject to any form of attacks.
There are very few monsters in the game that are designed with counters to the cheese tactics in the game, and many of the ones that do had to be tweaked because it became clear that it was an issue.
>>322519523
I guess, but it just seems silly to me to have opportunities for expansion that have been fallow for literally a decade and then go with something else that may not fit aesthetically with the rest of the game
>>322520434
This is how I feel about people who want Vanilla WoW servers or playing on Nostalrius. Why the fuck do people want to play an MMO with no content updates in any way?
>>322520735
>Work my ass off trying to design artisan and get it in the game so that osrs doesn't go down the same road as rs3 where everything is all combat all the time and skills are shit and ignored
>It doesn't pass because no one likes skills and only votes in combat and slayer and pvp updates
>Year and a half later osrs is completely combat centric and skills are ignored and shit
Every time I think about coming back I get fucking pissed.
I keep watching runescape streams. I don't know why
>>322521168
I dunno. Questing is fun and a lot of quests have high skill requirements, with combat requirements being of the lowest. So at least quests cater to skills that are useful.
I do wish new skills would be added, or others modified. But like a lot of people here are saying "hurr durr, change skills and its just rs3".
I don't think they understand that a game cannot survive on nostalgia alone. It needs content updates
>>322520796
That still inflates the perceived population of the game though.
>>322520818
>>322517519
Yeah that's true. That's kind of the point of the game though, if you don't want mindless boring content then you're playing the wrong game.
>>322521820
Sailing is unironically a thing again with actual design documents.
>>322522172
Yeah i remember the poll. I have no idea why people voted no.
I know it seems kinda goofy, and people will probably call it a meme skill, but at least it adds something new and fun.
The skill wasn't totally out of place either, it made sense. Especially if they are now adding new continents and stuff. They could have made certain islands accessible only to personal boats
>>322521861
Even from the point of a passive simple game, the idea that there is an invincibility toggle and most monsters cannot touch you because of safespots sucks for other parts of the game.
Someone with 1 defense and 43 prayer, along with some monk robes or other prayer items is tankier in most of the game than someone in top end degrading armor and 99 defense. A lot of player builds end up skewed to fit these flaws. Most monsters that are meant to be "stronger" and therefore better loot droppers are too generous because they still do 0 damage. People who would be supplying things like food get fucked over because no one needs them.
It doesn't have to be an intense activity, but it really is a bad base to build off of.
>>322522950
You just going to ignore the offset of prayer potion prices and the cost of training prayer in general?
Or monsters that can't be prayed like spectres or dragons.
I was wondering /v/, is it possible that smithing as a skill could be fixed? Or is it too far gone?
>>322523996
Anything can be fixed with time.
The only question is, do the people in charge consider it a fix that needs to occur?
>>322523996
You'd basically need to start over and design both it and mining differently.
One of the Gowers said long ago that they didn't take the power-creep problem seriously because they never thought anyone would get that high.
>>322523996
Mine from the place with nuggets
>>322524292
Power creep wasn't as bad when the playerbase was more diverse. The different culture surrounding OSRS now makes it more pronounced
>>322523360
A single dose of prayer potion will, against just about anything you don't insanely outlevel, block more damage than food will heal for the same cash value. It is also 4 doses per inventory space, so it will give better value per inventory space for the lengths of trips camping something that can hurt you. So there is 0 risk of even taking damage, and if a dose of prayer potion saves you a couple of sharks worth of food, not only is it just potentially slightly more expensive (3k per prayer dose VS 900 per shark, therefore saving 4 or more sharks makes the prayer potion more efficient), you can hold 112 doses as opposed to 28 sharks, and assuming it spared you 3 sharks of damage per dose, it would be like 336 sharks in your inventory or a 12x longer trip. All while being safer.
Then if you don't want to afk, you can prayer flick, making the prayer last longer, or potentially forever, for free, if you time the flicks correctly.
Also unless you mean something else, Aberrant Spectres do not hit through prayer, and have short enough attack range to be safespotted by some weapons. For dragons, chromatic dragons do not have long range attacks of any kind, metal dragons will not attempt to melee if you aren't in range so an antifire shield + potion means 0 damage, and barring anything new to osrs that I might have overlooked, only the mithril dragons and KBD have any additional means of harming you. So none of those encourage defense training or strong armor either.
>>322523996
Maybe don't have smithing and mining in direct correlation with combat?
Add different ores and metals that can be used in construction, or crafting specifically. At least that way it won't be entirely useless.
>>322511326
OSRS went free months ago
Runescape classic is the only good version they created. When rs2 went up.. Runescape died.
If you disagree well fuck you
>>322526231
>tripfag
I disagree out of principal.
>>322526231
>tripfag
>knowing anything
>>322526231
>tripfag thinks he knows anything
heh
>>322523996
i kind of want to see temporary buffs on equips via smithing
get some new mining exclusive material and smith it into armor/weapons to make them degrade over time similar to barrows stuff
the buffs don't have to be directly damage related either, it could just be various effects like a small chance of your staff not using runes or an increased heal over time on your platebody
this would never pass a poll though, oh well
>>322526590
So kinda like the new rs3 invention skill?
They should add the ability to trim armour
>>322523996
At least 1 year ago people were throwing a fit over a suggestion of mining/smithing remake. RS3 is getting one though.
>>322522567
Because SAILING IS NOT OLD SCHOOL
NEW QUEST IS NOT OLD SCHOOL
But all these new monsters, bosses and weapons that fuck shit up, they're old school :-)
>>322526318
>>322526381
>>322526461
>>322526761
i never played rs3 past 2008 so i wouldn't know
>>322526761
but I can already trim armor anon
meet me in lumby and I'll do it for you for free
>>322526813
>Watch the tripfag, as he smolders in rage at being called out as shit, knowing there's nothing he can do but pretend he's better than everyone because he gave himself a name
>>322526857
It's basically exactly what you just described, except a skill in its own.
It isn't out yet, not sure when since I don't play rs3, but I have a friend who does and he seems pretty hype.
>>322498571
>>322500524
>>322504310
>>322509089
That's not old runescape. This is.
>>322527368
Classing and Old School are different. The official Jagex server is called Old School, or 2007' scape.
>>322498571
0.6s game ticks :^)
>>322526761
Treasure Trails are already barely done, if you could use a skill to trim armor that would mean even less people would do them.
>>322527670
Le britbong development face
>>322527904
>player-owned houses will never be more relevant
>Construction will never be a viable skill except for quests
>>322529021
Construction seemed like it'd be so much more than a convenient way to teleport, pray, and repair barrows armor
>>322529021
>the game will never get more quest content despite quests being the only good thing about the game
>>322529236
Literally just got more quests this year.
Dimension of Disaster? The Lord of Vampiryum? Call of the Ancestors?
>>322529628
He doesn't actually play anon.
>>322529628
I'm not a mongoloid who plays RS3.
>>322529746
>>322529752
I guess you were right.
>>322529809
>>322529746
This IS and OSRS thread you know.
>>322498571
It was never good though. People only played it because they were underaged and couldn't run the good mmos on their computers and because it was free.
>>322529809
besidesJagex ruined the lore years ago
>>322509684
The raids and primal extreme fights are some of the best mmo content I've played. Shit looks flashy too. The MSQ is whatever.
>>322510262
None, MMOs are garbage.
>>322529628
>RS3
>>322530190
I won't argue this, but I do like how they're letting players fight to kill gods sometimes.
>>322518542
OSRS is not the game you want for lore. RS3 is. i think that's why I like RS3 more.
>>322526782
>>322522567
>>322521820
I wish sailing had passed.
And some new quests. Quests were the thing Runescape did well for the longest time.
>>322512664
This. Like I have plans and tell myself "im going to stick to this goal and get 80 X" but then my mind wanders and I think about and read about leveling like 3 or 4 other skills and just lose all motivation. Happens all the time and yet I keep coming back and the cycle repeats.
>>322530604
I respect you opinion anon, but see >>322530190
I hate the direction jagex took, and I'm worried they will screw it up in OSRS
>>322529021
Construction serves one purpose, a 1.2mil investment to make running barrows easier and more profitable per hour; for this you need an altar and a Kharyll teleport.
I never played Runescape, I might try it.
>>322523996
I think it could be but the player base refuses. It's a shame really.
Mining is fine in theory, but the way it is set up is wrong. Smithing is similarly messed up but has other issues as well.
>>322525380
That's a pretty good idea. However Construction is meant to be a gold sink so they just have you buy stuff for it instead from shops.
>>322531065
There is a teleport you can use to go to Mort'Ton now though.
Every time I get into RS again, a cousin of mine jumps in, too, and it kinda kills it.
>Log into Runescape
>Have fun for a few weeks
>Tell my cousin
>"DUDE, WE GOTTA GET BACK INTO RUNESCAPE! IT'LL BE FUN AS HELL!"
>Never plays quests
>Wants to grind in demon layers for hours
>Talks about making RS money to get bonds more than anything
>Doesn't know anything about the Gods except for what Runescape: Gods Exposed had
I don't know why but it kills me.
>>322531191
Try RS3 first, and if that isn't your cup of tea, try out OSRS. Decide for yourself which you like more.
>>322530604
Nah, Lore was good in OSRS days. RS3 is just shit about that.
>>322531330
To my knowledge that's only from the teleport scrolls and they're 15k each.
Unless you mean the minigame free teleport once every 20minutes; but a full barrows run is about 7 or 8 minutes.
>>322503191
>>322503723
>>322501642
WAT
07rs is getting updates?
fuck
>>322531587
I mean the minigame one. And you can do multiple barrows runs without leaving.
There's also the burgh de rott teleport now, but dunno how efficient that is.
>>322531445
>the lore was good
Most of the lore wasn't there. They started ideas and it was years of player imagination. A large portion of the game lore was written but not revealed and didn't change. People just didn't like the actual answers to their questions after years of speculation and hype.
>>322531828
Yep, lots of them.
Most of it is adding new bosses though, which I find boring. There was going to be a new skill but it sadly was voted down.
No new quests either, which was always the best part of RS.
>>322531867
>A large portion of the game lore was written
sauce? I was always under the impression that jagex made stuff up as they went
>>322531867
So Guthix was always a gay purple furry, despite as late as WGS still had him being represented by the tentacle skull from the God Letters?
>>322531847
You can do multiple runs without leaving but that costs more than a single teletab and a 1minute run; barrows isn't consistent profit like skilling so it's best not to waste runes or prayer potions unless you're an ironmeme.
>>322532023
i logged in just to check things out
i was in top 10 for thieving shortly after osrs servers went up but quit about a week later
might give it some more time and make friends
>>322532238
>gay purple furry
What
>>322532610
Go for it. Just please don't go to /vg/ to make friends. I honestly love the /v/ threads about osrs, since they aren't a regular thing and people can just talk.
the general threads are literal cancer, tripfags everywhere. people bitching about clans etc..
>>322532610
It's fun.
They added the GE though, which I'm still not sure how to feel about. I miss the busy banks.
>played RS for like 7 years
>played it on and off so I didn't really get much done
>by the time RS3 hit most of my skills were at least 50 but my highest was 72 fishing
>had done a fair few quests but not really that many
>was poor as shit and only had a net worth of about 2mil
>can't play anymore because i hate RS3 so fucking much
>OSRS hits
>play it and enjoy it but I have to do fucking everything again
>even though its been months and letting me transfer my pathetic stats wouldn't affect the game at all
It's just killing the game for me. Having to redo quests is the fucking worst, let alone the grinds. And the game is missing critical shit like fist of guthix, SC, and runecrafting gloves and shit that made grinding tolerable in the first place.
>>322532987
There are still trading worlds though right?
>>322498571
RS3 is better because of the vast amount of quests alone. Questcape in OSRS is a fucking joke.
>>322532823
There aren't any tripfags in the /vg/ thread but there is constant clan bitching
>>322532823
is there a general that ISNT cancer
>>322533243
nothing is worse than rs3 for anyone pre2007
>>322532030
It has been said several times when people asked about lore that they planned out main quest lines in longer scopes, it was the details that would typically be adjusted, changed, or retconned. Like the Gowers made lucien the villain of the Temple of Ikov quest and intended for that to escalate into things like WGS and ROTM, but the specific things you do in the quests changed. Of course new management can change that, and if you have people ask for a sequel to a quest you thought you were done with means pulling stuff out of your ass.
>>322532238
The God letters were always considered jokes, and if you paid attention to the lore you would know Guthix took on multiple forms depending on who he was talking to. The skull was a popular representation for people who hadn't seen him.
Also
>gay
he had a blood-related daughter and was interested in seren later on
>purple
he is green in almost any portrayal
>Furry
Are you going to whine that Zamorak isn't a fat-jawed Korean knockoff of Satan like his god letters image had?
>>322533550
True.. True.. I wish people would use 4chan the way it was meant to be.
Anonymity is here for a reason.
This thread is great since I never get to speak about osrs normally, and I dare not enter the hell hole that is /vg/
Could someone fill me in on exactly what OSRS is as long as I'm here? I get that it's supposed to be Runescape before a certain point, but that's really about it.
>>322533650
I played pre-2007 and I can think of things worse than RS3
>>322533650
I've played RS since 2004. OSRS as well. RS3 is simply better if you are not a PVPer. There's just so much more content. You could see all that OSRS has to offer in like three months.
>>322533690
If you have the link to where they said that, it'd be real interesting to read
I enjoyed playing OS at launch but I got bored after a few weeks. It filled a hole for a while though.
The non existent economy was pretty fun.
>>322533725
It is the original concept of the game, before microtransactions and weird game decisions on the devs behalf were made.
It was released soley for the community, and relies on community polls for its updates, allowing the players to decide how it evolves.
Unlike rs3, it uses the old gameplay mechanics from 2007, and does not have the newest lore and items that rs3 has. Despite this, osrs is being updated consistently and is now getting a content update to bring a whole new area to the map.
I'm scared to get back into it and for it to consume my life.
I spent a whole summer doing nothing but cutting magic trees to save up for a d chain. I rejected all my friends offers to go out in the sun.
Despite it consuming my life, I loved the game during those times.
>>322510720
You could also try the runescape private server that is run by /vg/. Hear it's one of the best private server around in terms of accuracy.
>>322534161
sadly OSRS has god wars so DChain is considered a noob item now.
>>322534108
Sounds pretty good to me. Is there more free content than before or is that still at a complete standstill like it's always been?
>>322534108
the original concept of the game was RSC though.
>>322534236
>mfw I dreamt of having full dragon
>now having full dragon gets you laughed at
>>322533725
Runescapes content up to 2007 just before the GE.
Every other piece of content is voted in; most hand made. You'd think this would be a good idea, but the problem with it is most of the population is from RS3 who hate the EOC update so they heavily vote in favor of stupid shit like gear treadmill content or the grand exchange without good things like loot sharing or item loaning.
Come, join us on it and live through the death of Runescape again!
>>322534275
I believe f2p is identical to old 2007 scape.
There is a very large pk scene though, and it should be enough for a few weeks. Honestly membership isn't that expensive, and you can also buy membership with ingame gold, these are called "bonds".
I know people who literally play the game just to make money and buy bonds to get membership, so it can be fun even for a f2p
>>322533650
i logged into my 10 year old joke account to see how things are
>1047 days have passed
>>322534338
True. But you have to admit, RSC is more similar to rs2, than rs3. I believe rs3 is the point where the devs gave up and really lost the plot
>>322534535
Don't forget to set your country as Mexico on the membership payment option to get membershit for $6.50 rather than $9.50
Fuck their hikes in membership prices; they make so much off of it but they can't get good OSRS servers and instead blame DDoS attacks.
>>322534558
must create a new name first
>>322534703
This. I love osrs, but I can't get past the lag. When I click something I shouldn't have to wait for my character to respond. It's fucking 2016.
>>322534535
>you can also buy membership with ingame gold
This'd probably be more exciting news if it weren't for the fact that I'm unable to stick through it enough to make the right amount of money a day to upkeep something like that.
Oh well. Maybe someday I'll head back to the game that defined my growing days.
>>322533550
agdg is fine apart from some faggots causing drama
>>322534936
>It's fucking 2016
I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE
>>322505790
vscape
>>322535275
/v/scape isn't osrs though, they are trying to make a 2006-2007 server, not follow what osrs does.
>>322535070
I think f2p is worth a shot if you literally just want a nostalgia trip.
I personally don't buy bonds. I think the only people who do are kids whose parents won't buy membership for them
>>322535189
Oh god. Am I really turning into him. I can feel the cancer growing already deep in my anus. Fuck. I can't stand 30 fps now either. It's too late for me.
So what makes RS3 good/worse than OSRS to someone who never played RS period?
>>322535742
If you got a lot of money you can spend it on the game to get higher skills.
I hope Zerah or what ever the new areas called uses old art assets; their new modeler/art dude is so bad it's not even funny.
>runescape has simplistic but visually unique designs
>the new modeler just shoves a million polygons on new objects so they look funky and out of place as fuck
>>322536073
>runescape has simplistic but visually unique designs
>the new modeler just shoves a million polygons on new objects so they look funky and out of place as fuck
So much this. The graphical simplicity of OSRS is also its aesthetic strength. Trying to overdesign characters or environments comes off as gaudy.
>>322536073
Seen any screenshots of it yet?
Ghost is doing what Ghost does: refusing to understand or consider the art style of the game.
>>322534669
Is it though?
RS3 from RS2 included:
A large portion of the game receiving graphical updates such as armors and some environments
A customizable UI
Technically not related but relevant whether we like it or not due to business: custom overrides and MTX
Years of power creep results in higher xp rates and a bigger focus on late game
Of course the one everyone points at and whines about, EOC, which includes:
Changes to stats
More interaction in combat
Prayer changes such as 50% protects
Gear changes
Monster changes
Shifts in what is considered good gear/pvp builds
RS2 from RSC included:
The entire game becoming fully 3D
Almost every graphic in the game was overhauled, including item icons and such
Running was added
RS2 was also a combat overhaul:
Stats were changed
Magic and Ranged were turned into their own combat skills. Did you know melee was originally the only skill, as being hit with melee canceled your ability to range, and magic was cast manually as an addition to you being in melee combat?
Gear was changed and added, especially for magic and ranged.
Combat was made more interactive, with moving and eating in combat as opposed to 3 turn locks, and things like special attacks.
Prayer changes such as 3 protect prayers as opposed to Paralyze Monster
Most monsters were reworked
Shifts in what are considered good items/pvp builds
The difference is most of people thinking about RS think about RS2 and consider that "the real original." Objectively the jump from RSC to RS2 was a bigger change than RS2 to RS3, since it was a significant rewrite compared to large changes. People essentially just get hung up on the HD graphics and EOC because it replaced "their" Runescape.
The game has always had huge perks and flaws in various ways for each of its iterations. It was true for RSC, RS2, and RS3. It is just a matter of which one has the most things someone personally likes.
>>322534936
That will never go away. The whole game is built around the ticks being 0.6 seconds apart.
>>322535504
Make the best of your time and play video games you enjoy.
Before it's too late.
>>322535742
RS3 could be considered better due to it's higher graphical quality (Soon to rise even higher due to a new client), the fact that it has more quests (which tend to be enjoyable), and a higher playerbase (Not counting bots on both sides).
OSRS could be considered better due to the player-driven updates (as in, the playerbase votes on what they want added into the game instead of the developers deciding), lack of microtransactions, and it's sense of a stronger community.
I'd say if you're new, start with RS3. If you find that it isn't to your liking, try OSRS.
>>322536657
OSRS is miles better looking graphically than RS3.
>>322536447
We aren't talking about the jump from rsc to rs2, or the jump from rs2 to rs3 though.
We are talking about which game is closer to the original, which is obviously rs2, as you have pointed out.
RS3 has all the changes rs2 made, and more.
RS2 is most like the original, and the only playable one, since RSC is unplayable, unless you got into it within the week grace period a few years back. New accounts cannot be made for RSC now.
>>322536763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXImumi6M10
About 50 seconds in is how the new client Runescape will look.
>>322536763
The art style for sure is. But I can see why people like rs3's more. The water effects sure are nice.
I just can't get past how they ruined armour models
>>322537039
God damn that walking animation is stiff.
>>322537039
>>322537084
Yeah same I just can't get past the way everything looks. I love the sort of minimalist aesthetic of OSRS.
>>322537313
You may find it hard to believe. But my friend can't stand osrs visually. He argues that it looks shit and old, despite fullscreen mode really sharpening up the models
>>322537039
>dat Wizards' Tower redesign
>>322537084
There is no art style. It isn't like game for the SNES where the pixel art was carefully done to create something pleasing with limited resources, it was someone taking a blob, shaping it slightly then calling it good enough for a monster.
The same thing happened for armor and weapons. Some of them got changed a lot, but a large number of them kept the original designs with extra details and people still whined. The items didn't look good, there was a psychological thing with "that item is so good and cool" so changing it in any way made it "wrong."
>>322537313they both kinda look like shit
>>322537643
>"There is no style"
>proceed to describe the style and why it is good
>>322537749
A style implies any thought or effort went into it, with a deliberate method or intended result. If those new OSRS items had been put into the game back in 06 or 07 instead, they would have been welcomed, not criticized for "being wrong."
People being delusional does not make it good
Iwant to play runescape, but having to pay members really wouldn't do... And I don't have time to play it if i pay. And i know it's just gonna feel like they fucked shit up even more.
>>322537675
they're both osrs
>>322538379
They seroiusly wouldn't have been accepted. All armour, even high tier remains minimal and for the most part flat.
RS3's armour has spines, and breaks away from the semi-realism of osrs. Resulting in very different armour and items. Also a lot more particle effects
>>322538405
COME TO VSCAPE
WE GOT 0 COST
WE GOT 2.25x XP GAIN
WE GOT CUSTOM CONTENT
WE GOTM E M E S
>>322538379
>A style implies any thought or effort went into it, with a deliberate method or intended result
Yes, that is exactly what it implies
>>322538605
>RS3's armour has spines
No it doesn't. Some of the cosmetic overrides do but the armour doesnt
>>322538764
>>322538605
I was actually talking about the OSRS items like >>322537313
People complain about how those look now because they recognize them as being different, something new, something their memory of 07 doesn't have, and that's why they call it "wrong."
If something like that malicious ward or whatever it's called had been a genuine item from 07, it would have been accepted, because a lot of "outrageous" items came out in that period like the godsword or the slayer helm, with all of their odd shapes and things stitched together, and everyone loves and praises those, even requesting for them to be remade by hand for the osrs servers.
>>322539142
you're generalizing then. I agree with the statement that the godsword is unattractive and overdesigned
>>322538686
>2.25x XP GAIN
stop trying to sell this as a good thing
you're literally just ezscape
>>322539142
I understand your point entirely. But I think we can both agree that for the most part osrs is a lot more toned down.
They don't have an art style in the sense other games do, with profound visual goals. But osrs does take into account how well items will fit in. The game has a style which will not accommodate all items, especially the rs3 items.
This is what we mean by "art style". The game uses a minimalist criteria when putting items into the game.
>>322539142
I think the godswords and slayer helm look like shit too. God Wars update was awful and I wish it wasn't in OSRS.
>>322539572
with few exceptions most skills in 2006 rs at 2.25x are still more of a grind than current osrs
>>322539572
>that xp for 99
Fuck you, I don't care if it's "ez mode" that ramp up is fucking retarded.>implying it isn't in order to make you spend more money
>>322539974
Originally it was just because they didn't want people maxing out.
Getting 99 Smithing to make a rune platebody was the ultimate goal - extremely hard work that no one will probably accomplish and it rewards you with being able to make the best item in the game
now it's just trash.
>>322500524
>29 slayer
step it up sempai
>2008
>>322540110
>rune platebody was the ultimate goal
>dragon
>barrows
>whatever shit they added after that
THE POWER CREEP IS REAL
>added the G.E.
>the thing that killed the marketplace and frequent socializing
Jesus, I used to plan my days after school about what I'd do. One day for trying to market certain items I got, another day for skilling. These weren't long 8 hour stupid fests either to waste time. Just maybe 1-3 hour sessions right after school. Even people with a job or a life [as I'm now older] can manage this.
But no, they killed the old school server.
>>322540792
Yeah, that's the problem with Runescape. The problem with it is that how the combat is designed, you can't make side-grades because there will almost always be a mathematical best item.
You'd have to build the whole game back from the ground up to actually balance it.
>>322540906
Try Ironman mode, trade servers, or maybe even deadman mode.
>>322540906
>no more bsales
This was awful, I liked sifting though peoples piles of crap for that decent item they're selling for too little.
>>322539737
People are entitled to their own opinions, and I understand that RS2/OSRS items were generally simpler. I'm just saying that the criteria people have is bullshit, along with how often they say Jagex was intentionally making certain decisions to "fit a style" especially since every time Jagex tries to make something "fit" OSRS it gets called "wrong."
Even something like the normal dragon pick is called "good" despite being a normal pick but red with a very slight sort of ridge, while the ornamental one is "wrong" while the dragon axe still has an outlandish design, and the dragon dagger looks different from other daggers, complete with a unique equip stance.
Runescape never really had a consistent "rule" about what was allowed in, it kept changing as they got people who could actually model and create the graphics. The only consistent "rule" there seems to be is that everything new looks wrong and any changes to things people remember are wrong. Even in this thread people say they hope Zeah is recycled graphics because untextured blobs from 07 are good, but untextured blobs from 16 are bad. It is just a ridiculous premise.
>tfw I maxed slayer first and got the untrimmed cape, but immediately after that realized I could've gotten untrimmed summoning instead because of how close I was to 99
Untrimmed slayer is cool, but still
>>322541430
I still think you're strawmanning. No game has an entirely consistent and perfect aesthetic, but every game does have some kind of conscious art style. To say that RS2 didn't is flat-out wrong, the opinions of nostalgiafags notwithstanding.
>>322541087
The problem with that is everyone knew how much everything was worth. Even before the Grand Exchange was put in OSRS, everyone used zybez to trade and there were charts and stuff for every item, making it so even the dumbest people couldn't be duped.
>>322541430
Exactly. People are idiots. I've been saying this entire thread that I welcome all changes to osrs, as I like new content, and I don't moan about models.
Personally I like osrs visually more partly because of nostalgia, but mainly because I tried rs3, and the weapons were all so crazy and wacky.
Zeah is shaping up to be very creative with multicoloured plants, whilst still keeping the minimal matte effect. That's all I care about visually, I don't like the fine details rs3 boasts.
Are you an rs3 player then? Or don't you bother with rs at all, which i don't blame since the community is largely just cancer
>>322541073
I was doing ironman but the G.E. just allows people to be lazy. Never talking to people, or trying to get a quick deal. Just go to the G.E. for your deals.
I was unaware about the deadman mode and I might actually do that. That sounds like fun.
>>322541087
Eh, they were good if you were trying to make money but after a while you just went to Falador to get what you needed if it wasn't in varrok.
>>322541430
I'd be fine with a different looking dragon pick if the dragon pick ornament they made wasn't absolute shit.
They could have made it look like a mattock for example.
>>322542015
>Never talking to people, or trying to get a quick deal. Just go to the G.E. for your deals.
For months after OSRS launch you just went to level 3 merchant bots that gouged the fuck out of you both ways for 90% of items.
>>322541751
That's not a bad thing.
>>322542478
If you know that you're not going to get a good deal by trading with others, what's the point of not having the GE?
