Do you think if the devs werent lazy and actually made the game more graphically pleasing, it would have had a different impact?
I hate how they were lazy when it came to graphics, but I think it did leave more to the imagination when playing it.
>>321941873
> Devs
> Plural
Literally one guy made everything.
Tumblr wouldn't love it as much if someone competent made the art.
>the devs
>it was literally 1 guy
I get what you're talking about, but at the same time it proved graphics aren't needed to make a pleasing game.
Someone just mentioned Wadanohara in another thread, it's a perfect example of how better sprites don't make a better game. I mean it's obvious, but some retards can't accept low quality sprites can great when there's a good design behind them.
Like every fucking shitty npc or enemy is somewhat memorable, even stupid crap like "tsundere plane" it's more memorable than any enemy overworld enemy in FFVIII.
>>321942003
My bad.
But what is your opinion on the subject at hand?
>>321941873
But the art WAS competent, you can clealry see that in the larger character portraits. You're talking like this is Passage or something.
>>321941873
I kind of like it personally. It's funny going from the ruins to later areas because you can tell almost right away when he hired a sprite artist to do the settings.
>>321941873
>Furry gender-fluid friendship is magic fd: NOW IN HD
No thanks.
>>321942003
Nope.
There was Temmie and a few other people
I don't think we need to discuss Undertale anymore.
It was fun, it got overhyped, cancerous shitposting became synonymous with the game and now it's just a baiting tool.
Let's stop posting this game.
>>321942490
>I havent played it: The Post
If you forget about the autistic following, it's actually a somewhat decent game>>321942490
If anything needed improvement it was Frisk's sprites. No detail is fine but the line work was terrible.
>>321942150
Tumblr would like it just because there's an androgynous main character and the characters talk are like they've been pulled straight out of Scott Pilgrim.
I like the game, but I think /v/'s kneejerk hatred just because tumblr likes it is kind of silly. I mean Tumblr also likes Metal Gear and Silent Hill, are we supposed to hate those too?
I actually think the graphics work for it. It's kind of like Youtube videos that have purposefully crappy editing or, jpegs that have been compressed one too many times. There's a weird charm to how unabashedly small the emphasis is on the graphics.
Then again, I play a lot of shitty freeware games, so I might just be desensitized to bad graphics.
I definitely find Undertale much more visually appealing than pretty much any pre-Dreamcast 3d game though.
>>321942427
Im talking about overall, including environment.
The character designs themselves aren't that bad.
>>321942734
The simple graphics allow for much more imagination. Normally I hate that excuse, but there's just enough to let your mind fill in the blanks.
I mean it's like a £6 game that's 8 hours long and has some funny jokes and interesting story. That's good. Solid 8/10, good game.
>>321942806
>>321942806
The enviornments are absolutely beautiful in some places.
That first shot of the castle on a different line from the player is really nice.
The "Undertale has bad graphics" criticism has never really held much water in my book. When the game needs to have good graphics, it does. When things are looser and more comedy based, the graphics give it a quirky charm, it's the same premise the Mother series works off as far as graphic choices go.
>>321942734
There's also an argument saying that the game's shitty graphics acts as a set up that pays off when the great moments happen or when the game pulls a fast one when "it remembers".
When you play a game with an old or crude style, you expect it to work within the confines of the games that it imitates visually.
This is the first thread Ive seen where it isnt constant shitposting.
>>321944648
Just wait. Soon, they'll be here.
>>321941873
>a different impact
the entire fucking internet is obsessed with the game, what impact do you think they'd prefer?
>>321941873
>Do you think if the devs werent lazy and actually made the game more graphically pleasing, it would have had a different impact?
I think some consistency is all it really needed. Some of the backgrounds and sprites looked great, like the shopkeepers and the dog food bag in the lab, but then others like frisk's sprite look like 30 second mspaint dogshit where they didn't even take the time to delete corner pixels. The ruins/new home tilesets also come to mind, they're just solid colors with colors bleeding on the corners.
It didn't even need to be that good, just remotely consistent. I'd rather have the highest point of quality in the sprites/tiles be more amateur if they were all on that same level.
>>321942003
He had a small team.
Given the kickstarter budget of just over $51K over a year, they've done better than can be said for some fan-raised games.
>>321941873
It would appeal to a larger audience
It would be played more, especially by meme youtubers
There would be EVEN MORE fucking cancer.
Such a nice game ruined by autism, yet again, god damn
>>321941873
I love the era of 2D jrpgs and love SNES/NES games so it didn't bother me at all. It adds to the games charm imo.
I don't mind low-key graphics but I just wish Undertale's were consistent.
The difference between say, Snowdin, and the Waterfall Caverns is HUGE.
>>321942258
Yep, the encounters are funner than mashing x to kill. Even if you play the genocide run the combat still has more depth than a final fantasy game.
>>321945252
>the combat still has more depth than a final fantasy game
ehhhhhh
just because it has an attack slider and some bullet-hellish elements doesnt mean its deep.
Theres no magic, status, weapon variety, strategies or anything of the sort. As an actual RPG its not very good.
The idea is great, though. And I'd love to see it more flushed out in the future.
>>321942621
I've played undertale and found it to be decent.
>Furry gender-fluid friendship is magic fd: NOW IN HD
sounds pretty accurate to me.
>>321945126
Why does it bother you so much? I would say nothing about the game is consistent.
>>321945252
The combat is about as deep as a puddle. Stats, items, equipment, etc. are all extremely barebones and in the vast majority of fights you either one shot enemies or immediately flee.
>>321945534
Final fantasy battle systems were pretty easy for me desu, grindan the game. Also, the games are artificially lengthened by constant encounters. I honestly can't play jrpgs anymore because of the constant boring as fuck grinding.
>>321945547
Unless you see yourself as a genderfluid omniqueer, then there shouldn't be a problem here.
It was one guy that did like 90 % of the work, i wouldn't call that being lazy. In one of the interviews with him, he did say he was a control freak though. I liked the game a lot, but it seemed like he could have benefited from letting other people help him out with sprites and stuff.
>>321945813
Bullet hell mechanics, ACTing, variety of enemies, enemy dialogue etc.
>>321945651
A consistent solidified artstyle is important. In many things, not just video games. If you were a graphic designer, you wouldn't throw around fonts and colors willy-nilly.
>>321942597
>I already talked about this game therefore noone else should
please return to gamefaqs
>>321944110
>When you play a game with an old or crude style
And what style is that exactly? The overworld, battle and shop screens look like they're from three different consoles!
Real 16-bit games were made working around hardware limitations. If a retro-indie game has an inconsistent style, it's just fake and lazy.
>>321945905
I'm just saying the game is all of those things. To say it isn't would be wrong.
>>321945849
>>321945957
but that doesn't make them "not deep"
I've never actually played a Final Fantasy game, but compared to all the other JRPGs it just doesn't hold water. I've played lots of Dragon Quest and barely had to grind at all. And those games have great enemy variety, difficulty, spells and party organizing. From what I understand Undertale had like, 8, weapons.
And Undertale had random encounters too.
>>321941873
I don't think they were lazy, I think more effort was siphoned into the sound and music, which is understandable since that's Toby's forte.
The soundtrack went way beyond my expectations, and I already knew what Fox was capable of beforehand.
>>321946312
Every time I think tobyfox, I think of Lapfox.
I fucking hate lapfox.
>>321942490
>>321945547
What does "fd" mean?
>>321945956
Most projects would benefit from multiple passionate people working on it.
Problem is 90% of the time it's one passionate and the rest looking to reap rewards asap while doing the least possible, so I wouldn't blame him. Some of the art was done by his friends though (Temmie and the dude who did the cover, for instance).
I feel like a lot of parts in the game could have more content (see NEO), but if it meant a unremarkable filler then I'd rather keep with less content made by a single dude.
>>321945957
>variety of enemies
>enemy dialogue
>etc.
You had to dig deep for those eh.
The bullet hell is a nifty idea, but there's no strategy, no teamwork, next to no preparation, and in the only fights that matter, it's the exact same thing over and over again. The only fight in the game that can be considered truly difficult is downright IWTBTG tier. As a battle system, it is far from deep.
ACTing does little to remedy that as it is merely clicking on random choices until you can spare.
>>321946221
Anthropromorphic traits and sexualities shouldnt ruin a game for you. Just look at Skyrim.
Its the fanbase that ruins it.
Why does this game make v salty?
>>321946153
That's why I said "crude".
Bottom line, it looks like shit, it must play like games that look like shit. Then the game does things that those games didn't do, which catches you by surprise assuming you weren't spoiled about it.
>>321947007
The game is still more enjoyable than anything Square-Enix has put out in over a decade kike
>>321945849
>the constant boring as fuck grinding
That's all genocide is aside from two new boss fights.
>>321947237
started with the metacritic scores
>>321946312
The music for papyrus battle was awesome
it's a game made in someone's house, not in some studio where everyone has access to the main game files.
>>321947440
Except the overworld and entire story are different. Are you just being a contrarian just because you're young and on 4chan?
>>321947056
I never said it ruined the game for me. I think it's a decent game.
The fanbase is indeed utter shit.
>>321947328
I don't give two shits about square-enix. I'm just refuting the notion that undertale's battle system is deep in any way.
>>321941873
>they
You know too little about this game to be shitposting about it, retard.
Fuck off.
>>321947279
>Bottom line, it looks like shit, it must play like games that look like shit.
Right, artsy indie PC games trying to look "retro" but not committing to it. No actual SNES game would have those graphics. It breaks the illusion.
>>321947721
Ah I see.
The context you put it in sounds bad and makes you seem like a shitposter.
>>321941873
it would be better. Slavs in their garage have proven that amazing graphics are capable by just one guy. Also people like Pixel of Cave Story and ZUN for touhou can do better graphics solo. But then you have Toady One who did zero graphics. It can definitely vary a ton based on the developer.
>>321947847
Whatever kid, if you can't enjoy videogames go to /b/
>>321941873
>devs
>they
>plural
I'm pretty sure only one person made this game, OP.
>>321947860
>thinking a person who is only skilled in music actually designed a video game and it's characters all by himself
You're the retard here, anon.
>>321947237
They liked it and then it got popular, see
>minecraft
>dota
>80% of other indie games
>>321948264
factually incorrect, but I can excuse your thinking that if you only played the first half of the game and Toby's name was the only one you saw.
>>321947237
>these threads
>massively overrated and unwarranted praise
>constantly being compared to, and in many cases, considered superior to much better games
>treated as the pinnacle of video games and literal perfection by diehards
>there are a lot of diehards
>valid criticism is met with shitposting, deflecting, excuses, and insults >/utg/
>tumblr
>sjw
Undertale is a decent game worth the 4 or so hours it takes to beat. It's too bad the fanbase is such cancerous shit.
>>321948247
Now you're just not even trying.
>>321948507
You got me there.
But what this guy says makes a good point>>321942431
>>321948247
you got called by that guy, accept that your flavor of the month is not as good as you think it is.
And you will join us eventually, there is literally no such thing as a good game.
>>321948454
Except Minecraft now and MOBA's are actual garbage.
>>321947956
By virtue of not approaching their quality, it's below most SNES games in fidelity to the casual observer.
>>321949037
Minecraft is the same as it always was, if there's any legitimate complaints it's the lack of promised features and fixes.
>>321945987
>everyone already talked about the game
>every five minutes
>for the last four months
>therefore no one else should
Fixed that for you.
>>321949158
I enjoyed it more when it was in beta, before they threw hunger in.
After that, it made a transition from survival game to shitty cow/pig/chicken farming.
The windows 10 version is miles better though because it is written in C++
>>321949237
>I monitor literally every thread
Some people turn their computer off at the end of the day, anon.
>>321949024
Been here since 06, you'll get over that phase you're in kid
>>321949939
Anon, don't be silly and just play devils advocate. You know he's right. There has been at minimum 3+ threads simultaneously on top of having its own vg for 4 months.
>>321949939
Nigger, I'm on /v/ for like twenty minutes a day tops.
I've still seen at least 100 threads about Undertale this week alone.
Stop shilling so hard.
>>321949986
05 here. dont think ill ever get over being right, if im right
>>321949237
I just played it last week anon and I couldn't even talk about it without people like you showing up.
>>321941873
Nope, still would have pulled in the furries and bronies and they still would be posting this shit all over /v/ all the time.
>>321941873
It's because the protagonist has poor eyesight because it's asian
>>321942715
>Tumblr would like it just because there's an androgynous main character
you could stop here, that's literally all it takes. I like Undertale, but it could have been a 3/10 game and Tumblr would love it because of politics.
>>321948257
Toby and temmie is plural
>>321949986
>been here since 06
>still doesn't know that /v/ hates video games
This kills the bait.
>>321950510
>>321949986
'11 here
You two might as well be bitching about who has the most crayons in class because nobody gives a fuck as long as they have the basics.
>>321941873
Yes, but given the impact this memegame will most likely have a remake with improved graphics.
>>321951364
>no one cares
>as he talks to the two people who do
>>321951794
How retarded can you possibly get
go away toby
stop shilling your furry game here
>>321952161
>being this insecure about a game you don't like
>>321951794
One of the basics are not giving a fuck.
>>321952286
how long until you post that twitter cap about you saying "b-but people will still hate it just because its popular" you egomaniac?
>>321952556
>projecting this hard
>>321952316
>>321951857
look at all these people who dont give a fuck. you can tell they dont care by the fact they cared enough to post
>>321941873
While better graphics is nice, it's mildly understandable when you have a small team and a low budget. Not everyone can afford to hire a star pixel artist and I think they did pretty good with what they had
>>321949024
>flavor of the month
>out in september
>most talked game on /v/
Now you are delusional
Undertale is a good game. I got the True Pacifist ending in 12 hours. I don't care for the genocide route since it just seems stupid for even a kid to kill every monster they come across.
>>321954493
>most talked about game on /v/
haaaah, no.
If the game had good graphics, this would have been less jarring. I think the developer took advantage of his shit artstyle and made it work in a positive way.
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