How come this series is never that popular in the west? Even niche RPGs like Trails and Neptunia are more popular than it.
>>322434565
What are you talking about? DQ is more popular than Trails and Neptunia.
It's more popular than Tales as well. Hell it's probably the 3rd most popular JRPG franchise in the West after FF and Pokemon
>>322435058
>DQ is more popular than Trails and Neptunia.
Lol no it isn't
>It's more popular than Tales as well.
LOL NO IT ISN'T
>Hell it's probably the 3rd most popular JRPG franchise in the West after FF and Pokemon
LOL NO IT FUCKING ISN'T
ARE YOU FUCKING DELUSIONAL HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>322436105
you are a child
I actually prefer the Monsters spin-off. These monsters are so iconic, and befriending them is so satisfying. And I just like monster collection games in general.
>>322436105
Now this is some high quality posting.
>>322434565
>Even niche RPGs like Trails and Neptunia are more popular than it.
This might be the funniest thing I've seen all day, Trails and Neptunia have never been as popular as DQ and will never be as popular as DQ. I don't know a single person from my list of IRL friends and steam friends who have played or even owned one of those awful games. I can't speak too much fro Trails but Neptune games for sure are just the same copy and paste battle system with new flashy moves to make it seem new. The only people who play Neptune games are the anons here who buy into that "cute girls doing cute things" crap. Unfortunalty for you OP both Trails and Neptune are unpopular games with no real fanbase to truly back them up
>>322434565
DQIX sold over a million on DS. Fuck off.
>>322436378
You fuck off too.
>>322436378
From what I've heard Trails is actually decent series, but yeah it's not popular (unlike DQ) and OP is gay
>>322437282
>Buttblasted Nepfag
Go play your moeshit game somewhere else
>>322434565
>How come this series is never that popular in the west?
It doesn't have the marketing budget that Pokemon and Final Fantasy get.
>Even niche RPGs like Trails and Neptunia are more popular than it.
In what way? Sales don't reflect that. Dragon Quest games still sell more than games in those series. The issue is, we went 4 years without a new DQ game.
Wait until DQVII and VIII come out next year. You'll see more posts on /v/.But Dragon Quest X never ever.
>>322434565
This guide should go by Japanese release dates. Doesn't make much sense with American release dates.
The reason it's not as popular in the west is because it's a grindy boring JRPG that has barely changed in the 30 years it's been out.
I noticed that between DQ and FF, DQ has the nastiest porn. Why is that exactly
>>322438642
>The reason it's not as popular in the west is because it's a grindy boring JRPG that has barely changed in the 30 years it's been out.
Pokemon is the most popular JRPG in the west bro.
>>322439109
What do you mean by nasty? Filthy and lewd or shitty and poorly drawn?
>>322439317
Usually it tends to be well drawn, but the subject matter is just really gross compared to FF which is usually just casual fetishes or yaoi.
>>322439224
Pokemon hasn't changed, but at least it isn't grindy. Just easy (which is what the masses like!)
Can we talk about how shitty the casinos are? Because they are pretty shitty.
I also wish DQ could manage to do half as much world building as the PSX era FFs did while maintaining their rather in depth combat systems.
The simple fun of DQ dungeons and character growth with places as alive and as seemingly rich with history as Lindblum would be perfect.
>>322436378
>I don't know a single person from my list of IRL friends and steam friends who have played or even owned one of those awful games.
>Using Steam to gauge popularity of non F2P games
>Using personal anecdotes to gauge anything
intothetrashitgoes.exe
>>322439478
>Pokemon
>not grindy
Anything beyond the main game requires grinding items or experience. And far more than Dragon Quest games. Breeding alone has more grinding involved than the entire Dragon Quest series.
Face it. You made a stupid comment and you were proven wrong.
>>322434565
DBZ same face heroes everytime
>>322436105
dat damage control
>>322436105
Yeah don't post examples to support your argument or anything.
>>322439492
>Can we talk about how shitty the casinos are? Because they are pretty shitty.
How are they shitty? Because they don't just give you free weapons through a story event?
>I also wish DQ could manage to do half as much world building as the PSX era FFs did
But they do even more? What in the world do you consider world building? Dragon Quest is all about world building. Did you even play Dragon Quest VII or VIII? Talking to NPCs, exploring towns for every little item and finding side quests off the main story path is the focus of the game.
>>322440008
Not him but you're missing a pretty crucial element here. The masses don't grind endgame in Pokemon. They pick Charmander and beat every gym with him, maybe going so far as to clear the Elite 4 and level 2 more pokemon into their 40s, and turn their Pokemon Entertainment System off until the next Pokemon comes out.
DQ requires minor grinding and effort throughout. This puts off the Pokecrowd.
>>322440112
And that's a major reason why it sells so well in Japan. Its stupid SquareEnix doesn't capitalize on it outside Japan, where Toriyama is the most well known designer in anime. For fuck sake, just slap a sticker on each box that says 'From the designer of Dragon Ball and Chrono Trigger' and see the game sell a million copies to DBZ fanboys.
>>322439470
Oh, you mean the gross fatmen and monsters? That's because Japs are retarded.
>>322440008
What? The Battle Facilities can be beaten with any old Pokemon that have smart movesets and cover each other's shortcomings, you're just giving yourself a bigger advantage by pouring autismal hours into perfectly minmaxed monsters. It wouldn't be required for pvp either if everyone into that shit wasn't already fucking doing it
and like >>322440365 said a lot of people just don't give a shit about postgame. Hell, that's the justification Game Freak gave for no Frontier in ORAS
Minimalistic plot.
Westerners need a story to make them feel like they're not wasting time playing video games.
You know, so they feel it's just like reading a book, and you don't make fun of people who read a lot of books.
>>322440365
Even the first Pokemon game required some grinding in areas. The people you're talking about, who only want to do as little as possible and warp through the main gym battles, have trouble fighting and have to grind at places. Especially against Misty and the road to the Elite Four. You can make the argument that Dragon Quest has less grinding even just comparing their early games. With some exceptions like Murdaw in DQVI and Moonbrooke in DQII.
>>322440692
And you can beat all but two of the DQ games with the characters and skills you are given. Without stopping to do extra leveling. If you know how to use the combat engine correctly (don't just spam attack, use group targeting skills/weapons, use buffs/status effects correctly, learn how to cancel enemy attacks, etc).
You're argument also works for Dragon Quest. But it also requires people to know the game engine before playing it. Unless you use a guide, you won't know.
>>322440692
I think he means against other players. Smogonfags in particular.
>>322440849
>Dragon Quest
>minamalistic plot
>a series where games have such long plots, the game lasts over 100 hours
>>322440675
Thats FF but yeah, DQ porn tends to be like that. Except theres alot more of it.
>>322440254
>How are they shitty? Because they don't just give you free weapons through a story event?
No. They're shitty because its not engaging. Its not a skill gate or an effort gate. Its a time/luck gate and that is retarded.
>What in the world do you consider world building?
DQ8 is a fantastic example of what I mean. The towns and villages are sparse and lacking in detail. FFIX by comparison has one town like Alexandra, Dali, and there is FAR more to Dali than Alexandria, Farebury, and Port Prospect combined.
For every side quest in DQ8 like finding the ring and bringing it back to Farebury to bribe the deacon you have the coffee, chocobo hot and cold, stellazzio, Burmecian refugee family, auction house easter eggs, and so much more in FF.
For every Alexandria, Pickham, Ascantha, or Argonia FF had Lindblum, Dali, Treno, Alexandria, Black Mage Village, or Cleyra.
The entire beginning of DQ8 is a chain of villages with about 3 buildings each to their name and next to zero plot aside from "That jester made me feel upset when he passed by! What a pity ;)". DQ does have some great NPCs and a lot of charm and personality. I love the series but FF in the PSX era did towns and NPCs far better.
FF has always tried something new with their combat systems but because they never settled they never refined either. Leaving every title as a light and easy affair with poor to shit balance.
Both series stood to benefit from one another in the early 2000s. Now FF is dead and DQ may be having a revival in 11.
>>322440254
>Dragon Quest is all about world building
He wants the fantasy world to be less fairytale like and more serious modo like Final Fantasy and other JRPGs.
>>322441239
So we've established that neither game series requires grinding if you have prior experience with it/an eye for basic strategy, and that grinding is only a crutch like it should be?
>>322440897
>DW1
>no grinding
>literally 99% of the content is just fighting to fight the last boss
You're silly.
>>322434565
I played the shit out of DQ8 and DQ9, I heard DQX was garbage but I never played it so I can't really judge it too harshly.
I just know that DQ8 and DQ9 were fucking amazing.
>>322441343
It is pretty minimalist in the sense that it doesn't have MUH DISCRIMINATION and MUH WAR like other JRPGs do.
>>322441515
Good fucking Lord you couldn't be more wrong.
>>322441458
Casinos are about you manually gambling. Its stupid to say they're not engaging because its all about effort and interaction. You should have said 'I don't like gambling'. In which case, don't do it. They're optional for a reason,
>DQ8 is a fantastic example of what I mean. The towns and villages are sparse and lacking in detail.
>FFIX by comparison
Stopped reading there. I don't remember a town in FFIX which allows you to check every single pot/barrel/basket/chest/cabinet/drawer/well/bookshelf you see for items and information. Let alone anywhere near the NPC interaction. How is MORE detail and interaction 'less'?
>>322441385
I see what you mean
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=40911352
>>322441849
But that's the main thing that distinguishes DQ's world from other JRPG's world.
>>322440008
>being this dumb
I don't think you understand video games.
Your post basically amounts to "Pokemon isn't grindy. The competitive community is grindy."
Which is like... no shit, faggot? You might as well say that to beat the campaign mode in Street Fighter doesn't require grindan. But to play at a competitive level requires autismal hours of mastering timing and combos. Which is true.
Literally any game with a competitive aspect requires "grindan." And a shitton of games, including Pokemon, do not require grindan for the non-optional content.
Hell, Pokemon doesn't even require grindan for a lot of the extra/postgame content. Literally the only grindan in Pokemon after gen4 is for competitive.
Speaking of worldbuilding, I've been playing Zestria and good God the world feels so lifeless.
>>322441741
I'd argue that DQV has more heavy dramatic moments than any FF game. But then, that's all a matter of subjective opinion of what kind of character deaths and development are good.
>>322441968
>I don't think you understand video games.
Coming from a guy who says DQ has less interaction because its not what he likes.
>>322442016
>I've been playing Zestria
You have my condolences
>>322441343
>8/9 entries in the main series amounts to:
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"IT WAS A DIFFERENT BAD GUY ALL ALONG."
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"travel to a new town. Chase the bad guy."
>"IT WAS A DIFFERENT BAD GUY ALL ALONG."
>credits roll
Length literally has zero correlation with plot, dumdum.
>>322442043
DQ's drama is classic heroic stuff, like your village getting rekt by the demon lord. Other JRPGs lessen that atmosphere by adding politics and other stuff you won't find on classical hero's journey stories.
>>322442153
>all posters in this thread are the same person
Literally who.
>>322442016
When your only connection to the world is story cutscenes, then all world building has to rely on those cutscenes. And Tales games have really bad story so...
Then you have a game like Final Fantasy X which spends hours showing you repetitive hand gestures, annoying chanting and basically beating you over the head with the setting. Very heavy handed, but its still technically 'world building through story'.
>>322441864
While you're picking up all 32 copy/pasted pots and barrels hoping to find the two tiny medals and medicinal herbs in a town whose four buildings consist of the inn, the armor and weapons shop, the church, and the building with the NPC you need to talk to, FFIX has... no. Fuck this. There's no way you're not baiting with "I can pick up barrels!"
Maella Abbey has the single largest collection of book shelves in that game with a grand total of 4 having things to read and they're three lines each about the Abbot and his love of puns. I love the game and that shit is cutie3.14 as fuck but Jesus Fucking Christ there's no way you're not trolling saying this is better world building than the God damned detail literally crammed into every pore in FFIX.
>>322442162
Having wasted time pirating it, I figure I would play it once in a while.
It just doesn't feel right. It feels like a more big-budget RPG Maker game.
>>322436105
DQ games sell in the hundreds of thousands on average, over a million on the high end.
It's not huge, but it's bigger than those ultra niche series.
>>322441864
>You should have said 'I don't like gambling'.
Also, fuck you I said it the way I meant it.
>Can we talk about how shitty the casinos are? Because they are pretty shitty.
If you were honestly confused about whether this meant I thought gambling is stupid as fuck in a video game, you can go right ahead and remove yourself from the gene pool and stop stealing my air.
>>322442465
>When your only connection to the world is story cutscenes, then all world building has to rely on those cutscenes. And Tales games have really bad story so...
Tales games often have the problem of having immature teenagers as its characters while tackling serious themes like war and politics. It just smells chuuni as all hell.
>>322442270
>8/9 entries in the main series amounts to:
Dragon Quest I, II, III, VI, VII and IX do not follow your generalization. In fact, more FF games follow that formula than Dragon Quest. Kain, ExDeath, Kefka, Sephiroth, Edea, Sin....
>>322442334
Mind you, I can like politics in JRPG. I love Suikoden after all.
>>322440692
>The Battle Facilities can be beaten with any old Pokemon that have smart movesets and cover each other's shortcomings
You gotta grind for those TMs and items, bro.
It was even worse before gen 5 where TMs weren't infinite.
>>322441458
>Its a time/luck gate
It's a casino. That's literally what they are.
What do you expect?
>>322442467
>Maella Abbey has the single largest collection of book shelves in that game with a grand total of 4 having things to read
I don't want DQ to turn into Elder Scrolls.
Really, if you want to read, just read a goddamn book. DQ has novelizations after all.
>>322442467
You didn't refute his point. Dragon Quest towns have far more NPCs and environment objects to interact with, proving that the towns are anything but sparse.
Your argument is coming down to what type of setting you prefer. Nothing to do with the amount of stuff is in a town. Because you know that most Final Fantasy towns have shit all besides a couple story NPCs and one hidden item.
>>322442958
>Old style TMs
Truly those were dark times
>>322443030
Not a casino ;)
Casinos are shitty, poor excuses for mini games that actually ask something from and engage the person playing.
Watching a heal slime drop balls for an hour before resetting and doing it all over so you can get an agility ring early is not engaging optional content.
>>322443052
This. The books in DQ games give you hints for side quests and extra development to some characters you don't get through dialogue. There doesn't need to be a 20 page book on every bookshelf.
And still, even with only 4 readable books in a room, its still more than Final Fantasy does.
>>322442924
Probably has something to do with the fact that Suikoden's characters feel mature enough to tackle that subject.
>>322443197
>Casinos are shitty, poor excuses for mini games that actually ask something from and engage the person playing.
They're also optional. Unlike something like Blitzball.
>>322442718
Only two DQ games have sold over a million in the west
>>322443052
>I don't want DQ to turn into Elder Scrolls
I remember when I used to read every book I found in Morrowind.
What a waste of time. Shit's going to get retconned anyway.
>>322443063
>Dragon Quest towns have far more NPCs and environment objects to interact with,
This is factually incorrect. Alexandra and Dali are fair comparisons. Both have roughly the same amount of NPCs and a dungeon attached.
Dali does far, far more with its canvas. From the mayor's brother spying on you, the underground soul factory, the old woman who refuses to give in to the easy Alexandrian money and tends to her paltry crop, to the card addict in the item shop, fuck, even Dali's Bangerz and Mash are more interesting for picking on Vivi. There is an atmosphere and a story Dali tells in all of its sequences that are absolutely vacant in Alexandria in DQ8.
DQ8 does not have an FFIX Alexandria analog. It does not have a Lindblum. It does not have a Cleyra. Its dungeons do not match Fossil Roo, or Evil Forest, or the Ice Cavern. DQ8 is fine for being simple, but it could have learned a lot from how FF told the stories of its locations before they fucked all their shit up with FFX going forward.
>>322442334
>>322442924
Suikoden is my other favorite RPG series along with Dragon Quest. Which is why I think its dumb that people are making such generalizations in this thread.
But I like Suikoden because it did a focus on story well. And while it didn't have much stuff in towns, it made up for it with a lot of variety of items/runes. Fucking buying sugar in one town and selling it in another town for 10x the price was just a nice touch and made you feel like you were doing something to make money. It was a reward for effort. In the same way that Dragon Quest rewards you for checking every random cabinet, pot or well for items/money.
>>322442043
>I'd argue that DQV has more heavy dramatic moments than any FF game.
Then you'd be wrong because DQ is just light happy fluffy uguu shit with anime faces everywhere
>b-but he was sad because his literlaly who dad died
yeh who cares, DQ isn't dramatic by any definition of the word
>>322443647
Coincidentally, those two games are the only games with heavy marketing. Gee, its almost like marketing affects sales. Wonder why Final Fantasy and Pokemon games keep selling so well...
>>322444042
Coincidently no one gives a shit about DQ
>>322444029
Glad to see you gave up trying to have a point and just went for trolling.
>>322444029
>Then you'd be wrong because DQ is just light happy fluffy uguu shit with anime faces everywhere
This is a new level of shitposting
>>322443771
If you ignore everything that Dragon Quest does that FF doesn't do, then sure you can compare them. Might as well compare Argonia to a town in FFXII. They're both big and have shops so they're the same!
>>322444125
This thread kind of proves you wrong. Also, u mad.
>>322444135
Except it's a fact
>>322444212
Are you fucking kidding me?
No one fucking cares what happens to any of the characters in DQ because they have no development and next to no characterization, no one cares about DQ stories
Every DQ MC is a literally who silent fuck, every FF protag besides FF1 is an actual character with importance, dialogue, development
There is no emotional investment into any DQ character, you just have bunch of samefaced anime fucks and the generic titty girl of the game who you can make doujins for.
>>322442863
Uh... what?
DQ1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 8 were the ones I was specifically referring to. Never played 4.
>>322444427
DQ8 only sold over 1 million because it came with FF12 demo
DQ9 only sold over 1 million because it was on DS right at its peak
So no, this thread with 22 unique IPs doesn't prove anything other than DQ has a vocal minority niche fanbase in the west.
>>322444647
>DQ8 only sold over 1 million because it came with FF12 demo
inb4 DQ11 came with FF15's demo
Yo people.
I've talked about this before. I was Let's Playing Dragon Quest VIII and I talk about exactly why Final Fantasy is more popular than Dragon Quest.
Basically Nintendo of America marketed Dragon Quest incorrectly and Final Fantasy just caters to the sort of kids who are impulsive and like to manage more shit.
Um, I could post the episode if anyone cares but whatever.
>>322444540
>its a fact because I say so
Then I say its not a fact. And you can't prove it wrong.
>>322444549
Dragon Quest I, the main overlord is cowering in his castle the whole game while you seek him out. You aren't chasing anyone from town to town.
Dragon Quest II and III are the same.
I didn't say V. That's one of the few games you are chasing after an enemy. Can you even read?
Dragon Quest VI, you keep killing major monsters, only to find they weren't the cause of the dream world. You aren't chasing the main bad guy like you claimed. You find him at the end of the game.
I didn't say DQVIII. Again, one of the few games that has the Sephiroth complex. Learn to read.
>>322444836
>Basically Nintendo of America marketed Dragon Quest incorrectly
The only time NoA was in charge of marketing Dragon Quest it performed the best the series ever has in the west.
>>322444315
What did Alexandria do that Dali didn't? Don't tell me I'm ignoring it and then ignore it yourself, now.
They're both early towns that are introduced as the first location the player moves to when graduating from the introductory stages. They're pretty fucking analog.
Hell, DQ8 and FFIX have very comparable openings. Only one is far, far better at scene setting and selling you their world and the other is a fun and challenging old school RPG with a fantastic battle system.
I love both series and I'm not afraid of either having faults or, barring using that word, areas where the other did things better.
When DQ8 gives you Farebury FFIX gives you Alexandria. When DQ8 gives you a cave with a silly merman with a booboo on his head (not critical of this, I love DQ8s opening), FFIX gives you the Evil Forest which establishes the nature of the mist valley vs the lands above the mist. When DQ8 lets you move on to your first town you get to Alexandria, where FFIX is getting down to Dali.
When Alexandria shows you Bangerz and Mash not letting you into Jessica's room, Dali is revealing a sinister plot from its own Alexandria involving reforming the souls of the dead into automatons and shipping them to prepare for war.
One game is setting the scene with far greater fidelity than the other.
>>322444647
Oh its FFXV kun again. Always has an excuse for everything.
Do you have an excuse for why FFIV DS sold less than DQXI and Chrono Trigger DS, despite having even more marketing? Oh right, here comes your 'remakes don't count' excuse.
>>322444921
Well, then Enix of America marketed it wrong. Whatever, whoever changed the boxart for Dragon Quest messed up royal. Forgive my insolence.
>actually trying to imply that DQ, which has sold over a million in the US before, is less popular than weebshit Neptunia or niche low-budget Trails
>>322440897
>implying you can't power through every Pokemon game effortlessly by soloing it with the starter with a bit of box legend once you get it except for BW1/BW2 solely for the EXP scaling
>>322445006
Except DQ9 had more marketting and FF4 had already been released multiple times already once on PS1 and then again on GBA, no one was clamoring for FF4 again
DQ9 was a brand new DQ game, CT was an enhanced port with new content for a game that was never released in Europe too
>>322444973
>What did Alexandria do that Dali didn't? Don't tell me I'm ignoring it and then ignore it yourself, now.
See >>322441864
>I don't remember a town in FFIX which allows you to check every single pot/barrel/basket/chest/cabinet/drawer/well/bookshelf you see for items and information. Let alone anywhere near the NPC interaction.
You ignored this and just compared the things that only FFIX did. Because to you, those things don't matter. But despite your tunnel vision, its still an example of more stuff in a town.
Its also stupid that you're comparing Alexandria to anything. As it is the most sparse town in all of DQVIII. But then it wouldn't be an even comparison if you compared Dali to something like Argonia. Where you can spend hours exploring everything.
DQ was caught in a weird space in the west where it was too dumbed down for the fans of the CRPGs DQ is based on, but not casual enough to stand up against Final Fantasy as THE console RPG of the early generations. Same with Phantasy Start.
DQ VI worst DQ.
>>322445053
>implying you can't power through every Pokemon game effortlessly by soloing it with the starter
My favorite way of playing Pokemon. It's such a bother switching around your Pokemon.
>>322445021
>whoever changed the boxart for Dragon Quest messed up royal.
>the box art of the gbc games
who thought that was a good idea
>>322445150
>it doesn't count because it was a remake
Good job doing exactly what he said you would.
>>322445272
>not II
>>322445245
Its more just about marketing. An idiot can see that you can market Dragon Quest to the Pokemon or Dragon Ball fans. But SquareEnix is clearly dumber than an idiot. Going years between releases, then not marketing them.
>>322445272
And still a good game. Pretty telling when the weakest game in a series is still well above average in its genre.
>>322445245
>tfw PS4 is still my favorite RPG of all time
It really doesn't get enough credit for how fucking amazing it is.
>>322445590
>that late 80s early 90s animu style
I fucking love it.
>>322445284
It was all the fad to change box art back then to be more 'western'. As well as removing any trace of Japanese culture in any form.
It wasn't until the PS2 with companies like Atlus and Nippon Ichi that Japan dared to market a game to its actual market. And its no coincidence that this is when SquareEnix finally changed Dragon Quest back to its original art. Though still changing tons of the translation to be western.
>>322445448
But Nintendo and Square Enix did go all in on DQIX. It did well, but not really as well as you would expect with Nintendo pushing it on the DS.
Missing the SNES era definitely might have sealed it's fate forever though.
>>322445243
>Its also stupid that you're comparing Alexandria to anything. As it is the most sparse town in all of DQVIII.
Hey now. Ascantha is right up there. I am comparing Alexandria to Dali. Not everything.
>pot/barrel/basket/chest/cabinet/drawer/well/bookshelf
I did not ignore this. I laughed at pots and barrels as content and when I criticized the bookshelves you said you didin't want Morrowind in your DQ anyway.
You are literally saying reskinned treasure chests in towns is a charming and enriching element of world building.
Tell me how Argonia, DQ8s largest city, has more on offer in terms of lore building and detail, than Lindblum, FFIXs largest city.I'll ignore the hidden treasures, the hunting festival, optional character building story events, and treasure chests if you leave out how many cupboards you can open in Argonia ;)
>>322445368
>>322445272
I'm gonna propose that IX is the worst but by the smallest of margins. II has a lot of charm and character, like The Prince falling bedridden after staying the night in that one town. IX just loses all the charm of having relatable.
ble characters by having you make your own.
Plus it's on the DS and not all that attractive.
>>322445448
Dragon Warrior was released before the Pokemon anime hit shores. Pokemon the anime is what gave anime its footing over seas. Seeing Pokemon's success, Cartoon Network picked up Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball's success came several years after Dragon Warrior.
Enix realized too late that they could use Toriyama to their advantage over seas. At least we got his artwork for Dragon Warrior VII, even if it his most interesting.
>>322445341
Good job ignoring literlaly every fucking factor that goes into whether people buy a game or not
FF4 was on SNES, ported to PS1 and then GBA, there was no clamoring for FF4 remake which came out only a few years after the GBA version, and yet it still made profit on DS despite that
DQ9 was a brand new mainline DQ and it had massive marketting and a massive launch campaign too, with Horii himself showing up to sign peoples copies and posters, and it mainly only sold because DS was at its peak along with those other factors
CT was never released outside of NA or Japan, CTDS was the first time CT ever had a European and PAL release
You continual ignore legitimate factors that influence circumstance just so you can pretend DQ is somehow bigger than FF is in the west, you are the biggest fucking drone I have ever fucking seen, no one is as delusional as you are.
>>322445786
*even if it ISN'T his best
i tried
>>322445590
My man. This is a true fucking classic. Oozes presentation in its cutscenes, has the best fucking music, and what a God damn fantastic battle system. Just fucking great.
>>322445720
Phantasy Star and Ys 1-4 really nailed that sort of animu look
>>322445786
>IX just loses all the charm of having relatable.characters by having you make your own.
lol what is III
>>322445786
>Dragon Warrior was released before the Pokemon anime hit shores.
So was Final Fantasy. It still got marketing support which led to its growing success. It didn't just magically become known with FFVII. Dragon Quest on the other hand had one marketed title (Dragon Warrior 1) and then 15 years of zero marketing until Dragon Quest VIII.
But we've had this stupid argument before. You'll just ignore all I said and claim FFVII started the entire JRPG fad in the west and I'll claim you're wrong and endless back and forth.
>Pokemon the anime is what gave anime its footing over seas.
Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and a host of other shows had just as much or more influence of this. You have a really warped view of the past. Almost as if you didn't live it.
>>322442863
>>322442270
DQ games where bad guy bait-and-switch is an actual plot point:
III (and even then, it works), VI, VIII.
In IV, everyone has different motivations before meeting up, which was uncommon to see done like that on a console at the time. In I, II, V, and VII, the main bad guy is the main bad guy.
DQ is usually very straightforward with that, and even in the "bait-and-switch" games, there's actually an explanation given as to why it's happening.
>>322445850
>Good job ignoring literlaly every fucking factor that goes into whether people buy a game or not
Ditto to you.
Dragon Quest is dead in the west.
SquEnix killed it.
>>322445973
uuuum.....
I don't care too much for 3 either. I like it! It's got fun parts that are really great. Personally, it's not my favorite.
>>322446068
Final Fantasy VII would be my vote for most important JRPG.
>>322446068
>had one marketed title (Dragon Warrior 1)
You just weren't alive back then. Nintendo Power pushed the hell out of DW 1, 2, and 3. I distinctly remember TV commercials for 1 and 2.
Enix just didn't think the games were worth bringing over in the SNES era. Nintendo had become buddies with Square.
>>322446257
>You just weren't alive back then.
I got my NES in 1986. Dragon Warrior 1 came out in 1989 and each subsequent title came out in 1990-1992.
And Dragon Warrior II-IV did not have commercials. Nintendo also only published the first game, while Enix published the next three. Which is why they had fewer copies and no marketing. Aside from one mention in Nintendo Power.
Its you who didn't live it.
>>322434565
because toriyamas designs are incredibly bland and look awful.
>>322446256
FFVII was the biggest bump in JRPGs. But not all JRPG fans started there. JRPGs already had a devoted following on the SNES. With similar sales to what JRPGs sell today.
What made FFVII different was a 100 million dollar marketing budget. So a JRPG went from selling 500k (FFVI and Chrono Trigger) to 5 million (FFVII). It was marketing that did it.
>>322445930
They made a Lost Universe game?!
1980's Japan seems like one of the best time+places ever. I wish I could experience it.
>>322446964
They definitely had better music and animation than the west did in the 80s. Not much else though.
>>322446703
it looks like dbz so the designs will only help the franchise if anything it had the best chance of becoming a huge worldwide franchise
I like how his art style evolved from cloth vests to actual clothes.
Hes one of my favorite artists.
>>322447934
His design has evolved quite a lot. People who say he's all the same don't know anything about actual design.
I actually prefer his older stuff to his newer stuff to be honest.
>>322448429
I like transitional the best.
>>322440452
They did just that, Enix anyway.
>>322449417
And another one.
>>322449417
>>322449519
>one mention on the back of a game cover
>mass marketing
Don't make this stupid argument again FFXV kun.
There's no reason to play a Squeenix RPG that isn't Final Fantasy. Dragon Quest is inferior. It is ridiculously boring. Toriyama should just stick to Dragon Ball.
>>322449650
The point is they made the mention, shithead. Don't you dare pull that whole NO ONE LOOKS AT THE BACK OF THE BOX shit. Not everyone is stupid and illiterate like you.
And I like how you accuse me of being a Final Fantasy fan. Fuck Final Fantasy. Get out of this thread with that bullshit.
>>322449519
Man I remember when this came out. Wasn't very familiar with DQ but was curious.
>Hey Mr Wal Mart Employee, what can you tell me about that "Dragon Warrior 7" game up there? Do you really only play on an island? Is the series any good?
>Uh I don't really know, Anon. I haven't played it. I do know we have Devil May Cry on sale right now and its pretty kick ass. Its by the guys who did Resident Evil I think, but its got way more action.
>Oh that's cool. I was really just here to pick up Armored Core 2. I called it in.
>Oh right this way then.
>Actually catch a glimpse of local actor from MASH and hero David Ogden Stiers that day because the clerk pointed him out.
Wouldn't be 'til DQ8 that I finally started the series proper. ;^(
>>322449939
>b-but they mentioned it so you're wrong!
Not when my original point was about how they need to MARKET the toriyama connection. Not just mention it on the back of the game after its released.
And despite you're dumb logic, well over 90% of purchasers don't read the back of the box.
>>322449939
How about fuck Dragon Quest? There's not one thing Dragon Quest does that Final Fantasy does better. For example, being a fun and enjoyable game.
>>322450215
And that's not my fucking fault at all. I look at the back of the box to see what I'm getting, and I did so when I was a kid, to pass the time until I played it at home. Just because you were stupid and couldn't read doesn't mean everyone else is.
And I see you Final Faggots are out in full force, as usual.
>>322450216
>There's not one thing Dragon Quest does that Final Fantasy does better.
Exploration
NPC interaction
Item finding
Characters
Story
World building
Combat engine
Literally the only thing FF has over Dragon Quest is graphics and cinematics. And its subjective if those are even better.
>in before you're wrong with no counter examples given
>>322450486
>Just because you were stupid
I read the back of boxes too. I'm pointing out the vast majority of people don't.
The fact that you have to keep pushing the argument onto me when I'm clearly talking about OTHER people show how many holes your argument has. But go ahead and keep blaming me for the failed marketing tactics of Enix and SquareEnix if it makes you feel better.
>And I see you Final Faggots are out in full force, as usual.
How is defending Dragon Quest mean I'm a Final Fantasy fag? Holy shit, you are so mad.
>>322450671
>Being this retarded
I am so, so sorry.
>>322450841
I wasn't referring to you, but the asshole the poster above you replied to. I didn't want to reply to him.
At this point in 2015+1, people should start to read the back of the cases and see what they're getting into. If they're too stupid to do that, tough.
>>322450973
>in after you're retarded with no counter examples given
And once again, a 100% rate of people who hate on Dragon Quest having no justifiable explanation why.
>>322451137
You don't counter a retard slapping you. You just take pity on the poor soul and hope their parents or legal guardians find the kindness in their hearts needed to end their suffering sooner than later.
>>322451259
>You don't counter a retard slapping you.
But I countered your points? And you're clearly a retard who can't back them up.
>>322451661
I've made no previous points. I entered your little pissing contest at:
>>322450973
Because you are retarded and I felt like you should know ;^)
>>322451835
>I'm not the same guy
>I was just pretending
Ah, the classic 4chan defense.
>>322451993
The guy you were talking to had the good sense to drop your retardation when it was hot and sloppy from your slacked jaw. I'm already giving you way too much credit by indulging you as much as I have.
I don't give two shits about your points. I don't give any for your first little sparring mate's argument either.
For the record:
>>322450671
>There's not one thing Dragon Quest does that Final Fantasy does better.
This is saying Dragon Quest does everything better than FF.
Your argument was that Dragon Quest was better and his opinions were wrong.
You=retard for not picking up his retarded mistake and ignoring the fuck.
You=retard for thinking your wall of hot opinianz was any more valid than what he or anyone else would counter with
You should stick to trying to bite your own chest in your free time. This typing thing is not working out.
And now I'm just as retarded for indulging you instead of just letting you wallow in your own slobber and piss.
>>322452595
Its sad how hard you are working to pretend to be someone else. And even more sad how you write a page worth of text and still don't make a point besides 'opinions can't be proven wrong'. Which was the point of me writing my original post up at >>322450671
>>322452926
FF is better.
Here's why:
Better everything.
Prove me wrong. You can't. Your opinions are shit.
>PS in before you think anything you say has any more merit than what I say teehee.You can keep accusing me of being a guy I disagree with, you're not making any point other than "hurr I really am that retarded ;)"
DQVIII was the first time PAL got a DQ game as far as I know, then it switched back to Nintendo and it seemed like such a pain to try and track down the ports. I'll definitely pick up DQVII 3DS though.
>>322453292
It was. But since all but four DQ games are on a Nintendo system, it should be easier to track them down on Nintendo systems. Unless you refuse to buy Nintendo systems.
>>322453381
I have a DS and a 3DS, I've seen IX in a few places going cheap so I may grab it.
>>322453519
DQIX is the one game you should play on PC with emulation. Well, that and DQI-III.
The reason being Dragon Quest IX had downloadable items and grottoes you can no longer get with the WiFi service down. But on emulation, you can just hack it in.
>>322453845
Can you put them on one of those R4 carts and play it that way?
What's the best classic DQ? Never played any beside VIII on PS2.
Think that is unpopular in the west? How about JRPG series that even /v/ rarely talks about? At least you can have a semi-successful DQ thread every so often.
>>322453895
Yup you can. You just have to do all the hacking before you play it. Sadly, this means you have to know what parts to hack. But basically, just select the option for all DLC, all grotto maps and all unlockables at the Inn. The rest of the games items you can get by normal play, but those require wifi.
>>322454051
They're all good. Most people say III, IV and V are the best and I tend to agree with them. I have a heavy nostalgia for DQI because it was my first RPG. And DQII is hard as fuck, but satisfying when you beat it. VI is a good game, but very different.
>>322454051
Since you already played VIII, go back and play the others in order.
>>322434565
The last DQ game I played I stopped playing within like 2 hours. I hate games where you switch main protagonists repeatedly. Never could stand them.
>>322454154
I want to get into the saga series. But I prefer to play series in order. And there's huge gaps in the series. Plus the DS remakes never came here.
Square is truly satan.
>>322454882
No one cares about your shitty taste, pal.
>>322457201
OP was asking why it's not popular in the west. I posted an opinion. I doubt I'm the only person who thinks that way. It's not a very fun mechanic, and likely affected sales.
>>322455869
Well you don't need to DS remakes, just play the original Final Fantasy Legend I, II, and III. While the Romancing SaGa trilogy never made it out of Japan we still got the Romancing SaGa remake. Worth it due to it being a culmination of the series mechanics wise. So in all you will just miss out on two games.
>>322457381
It's only one game, you dumbass.
>>322457418
No need to get your panties in a wad, friendo. Maybe I'll take another look at the series now that I know they don't all have that horrible story mechanic.
