Going through P4, want to do P3 next but I've heard it can be a difficult transition but it is it really so bad I should avoid P3 entirely? And I know to get P3FES.
>>322344146
Personally I preferred 3 to 4
>>322344283
P3 feels more like an SMT game, with the dark tones and all, at least that´s what I think
But mechanically gameplay wise how difficult is it to go from 4 to 3 with systems and all that.
Just one bump
>>322344891
It's exaclty the same without some minor improvements. Easy as fuck in other words.
>>322344146
Not really, the only difference is the AI controlled party members. It's a bit clunkier but if the story grabs you it's not going to matter anyway.
>>322344891
the only thing that'll really annoy you is that you don't control party members but overall I think P3 is the better game
>>322344146
>I know to get P3FES
Enjoy not being able to take control of the retards in your party nor play the best route (best music and s. Links, extra difficulty with Marie) as a cute girl, faggot.
>>322344146
I did the same. P3FES let's you do more cool stuff, like make your party split up and explore. Also bigger areas during the day time. It only lacks some "polished" areas from P4, but overall they're both great.
>>322347167
I thought few edition had more stuff than the base?
>>322344891
I had an easier time wirh P3 on normal than with P4 on easy
It's very important to remember adachi is the killer
>>322348375
He's referring to P3P, not the base version. But he's also a faggot with no taste, feel free to ignore him.
>>322348534 I knew that going into p4 but nice try fag. Also I don't have a PSP or Vita just ps2 to play this that's why I'm going for FES.
play p3p, it's far better than fes.
>>322348827
Even a toaster can emulate the PSP
>>322348909
As I said no psp.
>>322344146
It's a fantastic game and definitely worth playing even if you started with Persona 4, just remember that you die in the ending.
>>322348375
Neither is objectively better:
P3P gives total control over your party, you can guard during battles, the girl route which adds replayability because half the interactions are different, costumes, the trials of Margaret, harder difficulty option, and other extra events with the NPCs.
P3FES gives you an epilogue with the robot, the ability to walk (which is tiresome [for me] when the other option is faster), and thats it.
>>322344146
P3 Ai teammate is god awful and you can't direct control them. i suggest you play 3 first, jumping from 4 back to 3 is pain in ass becoz many flaw in 3 was improved in 4.
>>322349268
See though, you're underselling what "the ability to walk" means for the game. Having an actual environment to move around in and actual animations showing what's going adds a lot to the game's atmosphere. I wouldn't want anyone to miss out on walking around the city with Living with Determination playing in the background.
>>322349376
> tactics
Ive never had le epic marin karin meme happen to me in 3 full playthroughs
No, you should play P3. You'll like it if you liked P4, but I guarantee you'll prefer P4. People always seem to prefer the first one they played. It might be a bit difficult to get used to the AI controlling your party, but you'll get used it.
>>322344146
Tartarus is an even worse grind than the various dungeons of 4, with stricter checkpoints but no weird gimmicks like the teleporting in Yukiko's dungeon. No control of party members will be a pain for you, as well as the inability to control what skills they learn and forget. S Links are easier to reverse or damage, especially if you're S Linking multiple women at the same time. Small pet peeve for me was that most of the female S Links automatically have you dating them, even if you're already dating other characters.
A bunch of people consider 3 to have the better story and characters, if that's up your alley. But as far as gameplay mechanics go, 4 isn't drastically different to 3. Most of the changes are really small, convenient changes that add up, so it might not ruin 3, but you'll probably miss the changes.
Use a PSP emulator if you want to be the grill and have control of your party, but you lose out on the overworld and cutscenes in favor of VN style stuff and menus.
>>322349808
Meh... For me it was a waste of time running from place to place just spu you could talk to NPCs that will give you nothing but a repeated line. It feels like a chore if you dont want to miss anything available or new. Besides, >>322349376 is horrible after you have played p4.
Don't listen to the P3P faggots. P3FES is the best overall experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRL3oZCi_FU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefI-RNFZFU
>>322350514
Portability is so comfy in a Persona game, but if you are emulating whatever you like.
>>322349931
That still doesn't fix the AI attacking downed enemies again when there are others with the exact same weakness.
>>322349376
I remember a particular boss in the game that i didnt know was weak to charm.
Marin Karin, along with Yukari having a special charm-status bow, won me that fucking boss.
Also, Tactics. USE THEM
>>322353114
TACTICS: KNOCK DOWN
>>322353270
>they still do it anyway
>>322353460
don't worry, op, this is fake
>>322354603
Next you're gonna say Nanako isn't the killer.
>>322354696
>implying it isnt the main character
>>322354761
>implying we aren't all the killer
>>322344146
3 is way better than 4. Don't think because it could be harder that it's bad.
I loved it!
>>322344146
I played 4 first and I still ended up preferring 3.
>>322349376
>Mitsutu
>Mediarama
These people that complain never played the fucking game, P3's AI is easy to learn, if you always scan the enemy you're never gonna have problems with it
>>322344146
Get P3P unless you want to grind.
If you let the gameplay aside, you'll be into a more interesting game with a less weeby feeling.
Play FES, it has a more complete experienc e and has way more content that P4 removed for no reason.
Don't get FES first, it's a bad first P3 experience since it has glitches, bugs, and typos everywhere
>>322355867
>Don't get FES first
*P3P
Fuck
>>322344146
Not a problem. They are very similar.
P4 is definitely more polished, but it's not like it's a huge jump over P3.
Why do people think direct control immediately makes P4's gameplay better?
Do you not realize the amount of content they removed for no reason?
No multiple weapon types you can equip, No multiple phys types that add variety and don't make phys nulling personas OP
No heart items
No Fusion spells
No weapon fusion that lets you recycle personas you don't want/need
No shock, freeze or charm to spice up the battle
Hell, the new "one more" system lets you spam multi-target spells for the whole fucking encounter, i've had battles end in 3 casts of Mabufu
And have you seen the bosses? the only challenging one was Mitsuo because he literally cheats and you can't kill him unless you use an All-out-attack, requires you to WAIT FOR HIS WHOLE FUCKING ARMOR TO POP UP AGAIN.
P3 had a better gameplay even with AI teammates
>>322356981
>Punished Koromaru and Nazi Ken
What a lost opportunity.
>>322358443
I'll bite.
>Why do people think direct control immediately makes P4's gameplay better?
There's literally nothing wrong about having greater party control over their moves, what they learn and forrget and making sure they don't do anything dumb during boss fights and save you needless asshurt.
>Do you not realize the amount of content they removed for no reason?
So, like every game ever released? Wow, sucha big deal.
Persona 3 FES is the better experience for a first-time player. A lot of the cutscenes benefit from models actually moving around on-screen as opposed to just being talking portraits, and the animated cutscenes which occasionally pop in help sell the atmosphere.
Gameplay-wise FES is superior, as well. In FES, the main character can equip any weapon type (which makes for more variety in setting up encounters), and you also have more direct camera control in Tartarus, which makes getting surprised by Shadows much less annoying.
Do P3FES first, then if you're up for it, do the FeMC route for P3P.
P3P is not a straight upgrade, unfortunately. There's no "definitive" edition of Persona 3 out.
>>322358443
>>322359645
Fuck, clicked I'm not a robot by mistake and autoposted.
>No multiple weapon types you can equip, No multiple phys types that add variety and don't make phys nulling personas OP
Hardly any problem. I remember personas such as Abaddon in P3 that could learn null all phys types. If you want to be OP then you will be no matter the game. Not a problem.
>No heart items
Haha, I literally never used them and you got only on per persona. Meaning you would have to level a few same persona to get, let's say, the item that nulls charm for all party members.
>No Fusion spells
Okay, they were pretty fun. But nowhere a problem.
>No weapon fusion that lets you recycle personas you don't want/need
Recycle? All it did was giving you opportunity to fuse super powerful fusion weapons (Gae Bolg, Leviantheinn) that greatly boosted your damage, stats and magic of a given type. They were making you silly strong way before the ending of the game. Worse than in P4.
>No shock, freeze or charm to spice up the battle
I ain't going to miss that.
>Hell, the new "one more" system lets you spam multi-target spells for the whole fucking encounter, i've had battles end in 3 casts of Mabufu
How's that a problem? I did the same in P3, just target their weakness with a strong area spell and the battle is over in a single cast.
>And have you seen the bosses? the only challenging one was Mitsuo because he literally cheats and you can't kill him unless you use an All-out-attack, requires you to WAIT FOR HIS WHOLE FUCKING ARMOR TO POP UP AGAIN
Wrong. Enough DPS and you fuck him up before it pops again. I'm not sure what you're complaining about, that a boss requires thought and preparation? I raped all P3 bosses in a single try, they're both the same shit difficulty wise.
>P3 had a better gameplay even with AI teammates
Disagreed.
Persona 3 is 1000x times better than 4
Only reason people like 4 better is cuz its easier
The end of P3 still breaks my heart
>>322359645
>There's literally nothing wrong about having greater party control over their moves
Never said it was, learn to read, i was saying it doesn't make it immediatsly better
>what they learn and forrget
Now THIS is wrong, why would i be able to customize some other dude's personallity? Are they a fucking doll that i command? A puppet that follows my every order? Those personas are theirs, why the fuck do i get to customize them?
>making sure they don't do anything dumb during boss fights and save you needless asshurt.
Surprise, the bosses in P4 are so stupid amd predictable that your teammates can't possible fuck up either way
>So, like every game ever released?
Oh, so because other games do it it's okay and acceptable, right?
Fuck off
>>322358443
>Why do people think direct control immediately makes P4's gameplay better?
Because I want to play the fucking game?
If I wanted to watch the machine/someone else play it I'd be watching a let's play or playing a simulation game.
>>322360372
This would be a valid complain if you weren't able to control your character, but you can, so your argument is stupid and you're a faggot.
>>322360367
You're not forced to use direct command. You can keep playing pretend that they're a separate entity like you did in P3FES - by using commands such as act freely, conserve SP, etc.
>Oh, so because other games do it it's okay and acceptable, right?
It's the reality that I really can't be bothered to get mad over, especially if the game is fun as it is.
>Surprise, the bosses in P4 are so stupid amd predictable that your teammates can't possible fuck up either way
So like in P3 if you know how to use the commands. Still, I prefer to use direct commands as it saves me time.
Literally, the whole discussion is about which playstyle suits you better. Not if this or that game is better.
>>322360546
So you get to play 1/4th of the battle time, nice.
>B-but muh tactics
You don't even have to switch tactics to beat the game.
>>322360891
As if persona has gameplay anyways. Its a fucking casual jrpg
>>322361192
>look at all these game mechanics they removed
>ignore all the stuff p3p added
>g-gameplay isn't that good anyway!
No, anon. You are the faggot.
>>322361353
Im not even the guy you were talking to you autist. But to pretend theres gameplay to be somehow "missed" in a persona game is a joke.
>>322360745
>You can keep playing pretend that they're a separate entity
Except the AI there IS retarded and the amount of tactic options is way more limited, making tactics in P4 unusable
>really can't be bothered to get mad over
Good for you, but the amount of shit taken away really makes the expereince less enjoyable and the combat less fun.
>>322360891
>You don't even have to switch tactics to beat the game.
Only if you're willing to grind for HOURS and to deal with teammates doing random stuff.
You can also beat the game with no teammates if you want, but you'd have to do extreme amounts of grinding
>>322361550
P4 speedrunners don't use teammates.
What's your excuse?
>>322361432
Well, that's like, your opinion, man
I enjoy using fists infused with the power of my friends to punch sins and death in the face
>>322361671
>speedrunners
I bet they use exploits too that make the game as unfun as possible
>>322361550
You only need to switch tactics during boss fights. Rest of the time you just watch the AI play while contemplating suicide.
>>322344283
Agree. Better mechanics, characters, stetics, and story
>>322361825
>you NEVER need to change tactics
>except the times you do
Uh-huh
Also, you're forgetting purple shadows and the later blocks where if you don't tell them what to do they waste turns with break skills
>>322344146
The problem is the way non-combat interactions are handled. Want to heal multiple party members? Enjoy going through the entire menu over and over instead of just being able to select the party members over and over.
Other than that P3FES is better than Persona 4 in every regard.
Fuck P3P and its battle system change.
>>322347167
I wish they would remake P3FES and add the new content.
But fuck the lack of cutscenes, and fuck the combat.
There was nothing wrong with the AI in P3/FES as long as you changed their tactics.
>>322361825
You should have your AI set on full assault outside of boss battles.
>>322362045
By that time you are oneshotting most stuff, which is actually good because you don't have to sit like a retard and watch the AI play the game for you.
>>322344146
Portable is more in line with P4, but some people really like being able to run around.
>>322348534
I watched first 10 episodes of The Animation and it's clear as fuck.
>>322358443
>Why do people think direct control immediately makes P4's gameplay better?
If you're defending the A.I.'s determination to use moves like Marin Karin when the MC is at 10 HP then I don't know what to tell ya.
>>322363063
It's your own fault for relying on Mitsuru as a lone healer.
Have your own healing Persona. Mitsuru is a general support member for buffs and debuffs with a few heals. Yukari is a far more reliable healer.
>>322344146
>>322363063
That never happens, tho
The people who complain about that never played the game
See>>322349376
>>322363063
I don't trust the AI at all, even though if you use the analyze function and make use of tactics, then they usually do everything right.
Still, both in P3 and P4 MC can do everything but better, so I just have a healer persona, wind skills persona, phys resistant, fire skills, ice skills, lightning skills, you know the drill. Basically, my MC does the most of the kills and AI has hardly to do anything.
>>322363435
Or I could play P3P and heal when needed, debuff when needed, and not waste a party slot on worst bitch.
>>322363063
>bringing an ice magic damage dealer with a small heal as your only healer
>woooooow, why the fuck am i dead?
>>322364015
>Or I could play P3P and make the game easy and unchallenging as possible
>>322364215
P3P has a difficulty setting too you know.
>play FES
>everyone gets their party buff spells
>AI never EVER uses them
>Aki continues to Ziodyne on enemies with Elec Reflect because of his roid rage
>Yukari continues to keep using wind break
>>322364215
So the only challenging thing about FES is the retarded Ai? And you are defending it why?
>>322364307
Which means jackshit when your teammates can save you from death once per battle and can also resist death once per battle too.
Multi-target spell spamming makes encounters a joke, and there's a glitch that lets you skip bosses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJo9Bbda4E
>>322364654
That's because you never put them on support, faggot
>>322364707
See>>322364730
All that stuff takes away the challenge from the game
>>322364894
So >>322364707, got it.
>>322365262
>>322365327
I could play the game using my toes too. That'd be pretty challenging!
>>322365580
Here's another (You)
>>322365746
Thanks bb
>>322364730
I don't play P3 and P4 for the challenge. I played both for the fun story and they work well as time killers.
In no way are those games hard. If a faggot like me can ace both without dying except when I was getting started and got raped by unfortunate hama/mudo till I learned to use nulling personas when I know the enemy has that ability, I didn't die on anything in both games (playing on medium).
People saying they are glorified waifu simulators are not far from truth. I find the whole discussion incredibly silly and pointless, since P3 and P4 are really very similar, starting from mechanics ending on enemies and difficulty.
The only way you can say one is better from another is when you prefer the atmosphere of one over the other game. That is all.
>>322366161
>I don't play P3 and P4 for the challenge.
No one asked you.
I guess that just because you have an opinion about it everyone should feel the same, right? After all, no one enjoys different aspects of stuff.
Get off your high horse, faggot
>>322366401
4chan isn't your private board where you can decide who can speak and who can't. My opinion isn't a fact and neither is yours. This is why /v/ exists, so everyone can say their 5 cents.
Get off your high horse, faggot.
>>322366161
>I find the whole discussion incredibly silly and pointless,
Whoopde-fucking-do, why are you participating, then?
>>322366161
Stop it. FES is challenging af.
>>322344146
If you did, you'd be avoiding the better game.
The AI team members can do some real stupid shit from time to time, but the game is definitely worth playing
>>322366161
>People saying they are glorified waifu simulators are not far from truth
The P4 to the P3 jump isn't that bad. But what I'm having trouble in with is the jump from P3 and 4 to P1 and 2. I really want to beat at least 2, but the game play is way too clunky. And I like old games, but for some reason I can't get into 1(fuck first person dungeon crawling) or 2
>>322366597
Because I played both games and feel like it. Is it enough of a reason for you?
>>322366609
Chuckle.
>>322366648
Not that it's a bad thing. It's fun.
>>322344146
There are certainly more systems to consider in P3, you spend way more time grinding for stats that effect the real world, but they're really the same game at the end of the day. The only major difference is the lack of party control in FES.
I played P3 first and ended up liking P4G better. Probably because I watched a ton of Scooby Doo as a kid, also Yukari is a cunt and Fuuka made me want to strangle her with all the in battle comments.
You can't go wrong with either.
>>322366972
Hey, that means a lot from Kenji.
>>322366982
>because I watched a ton of Scooby Doo as a kid
i'm so sorry.
>>322366982
>all the in battle comments.
You should be wanting to strangle the devs for that one, PQ has a more readonable amount of dialogue
>>322366401
>I play one of the easiest JRPG franchise for the challenge
lol
>>322367473
Kenji is only into sexy teachers, though.
>>322366982
*GASP* THE ENEMY!
>>322367741
Stop posting out of context pictures of purest girl, please
>>322367623
I now want to see MC and Kenji high fiving while banging their teachers side by side.
Where's a drawfag when you need one.
>>322367993
There's nothing wrong with being a slut, Anon-kun.
>>322367741
>>322367993
Fukka is an abomination , worst looking girl in video game history
>>322367623
Damn she's hot as fuck.
>>322368028
*MC banging both teachers while Kenji watches
Ftfy
>>322368282
It's not nice to lie
>>322368297
MC banging Kenji while both teachers watch.
FTFY
>>322368453
But I didn't lie Emiri is hot as fuck , and fukka is ugly abomination.
>>322368297
>not sharing cake with your bro
What kind of friend are you?
I was not familiar with RPG games before playing Persona 3 FES. And the combat Was completely playable and beatable for me. Even though i consider myself a casual gamer. So the people that bitch about it probably didn't actually play the game. Or consider reading the tips to be hard in nature.
That being said the persona series don't have any real reason to play them. The characters are bland. The story feels like those anime those edgy 15 year olds back in highschool used to watch. And the gameplay is pokemon level simplicity (not worth it for the gameplay).
I don't really get the appeal and you should probably skip it unless you're a younger person that already has some interest in anime.
If you are an older person looking for the "JRPG" experience play Undertale.
>>322368578
I'm okay with this. MC molesting Kenji in front of his waifu.
I'm at 13th December in P3FES. My MC is lvl 68, the rest of the team is around 64. I fused most of the ultimate personas for the given arcana, do I need any special preparations before the next full moon? The last Tartarus block opens, rite? And this is when I rape The Reaper with Thunder Reign and unlock Monad?
3 is better then 4 but 3 doesn't let you control your team.
>>322368839
MC is an asshole.
huuur
>>322368887
You are playing the persona games wrong bro!
It's not about the story/gameplay/athmosphere
It's about waifus and escapism in a setting where you have friends in a highschool setting unlike in real life. You won't understand.
>>322369067
What a bunch of shit threads.
>>322369067
Just filter them you massive autist
You're just bumping them
>>322369067
>3,4 and 5
huh
