How far off is 4K 60FPS at an affordable price for a consumer?
Will we see a console that could do that by 2025?
4k is stupid. At times I feel like even 1080 is too big.
2017
4K and 60 FPS at an affordable won't take off for another 20 years or so.
To do that already, you have to spend $2000+ to build a SLI capable computer. Not many people can afford that.
>>322333074
>2025
That date sound so futurey like flying cars and shit....but it's only 9 years away
>>322333209
If you run your TV as a monitor you can really start to notice the difference at 55inches.
Considering average homeowner in the US has had their TV get bigger by 5 inches every 6 years it will matter eventually.
4K really matters in VR also, in 1080vr you scan still see the individual pixels. as your eyes are up against the screen
>affordable
Shouldn't we first talk about when it will be possible? In the newest games top single cards struggle to keep 60fps at 1440p. Barely 30fps at 4k. Can actually some of the SLI/crossfire setups run say witcher 3 at stable 60fps in 4K?
>>322333818
>>322333287
>20 years
Anon...20 years ago was the launch of the PS1.
If you think 4k60fps for the plebs is that far away you're a loon.
>>322333818
i have SLI'd 980's and it's stable. I'm sure the absolute madmen that run 4 of those fuckers are running it at even higher fps/rez
>>322333818
give me two grand and i'll give you a PC that can demolish the Witcher 3, eveything at max, 4k60
>console fags watch this vid and cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ466xGvJZs
>>322333421
i dont think 4k vr will happen anytime soon. you need to render 2 screens at 4k and that is quite a jump from one single screen
>>322333421
>That date sound so futurey like flying cars and shit....but it's only 9 years away
It's because you have to say twenty twenty.
Can't wait twerking to fade out and the charleston to come back in style.
>>322334246
>5k 60FPS
WHY.
Is there even a monitor that supports 5k? so pointless.
also TOP KEK at his incredibly stereotypical voice I can almost hear his fat neckbeard wobble.
>>322334329
depends on what you class as 'soon'
A pc that could run 4k VR is only a year or two away considering in 2016 we're getting a new generation of GPU architecture and doing away with the one Nvidia have been using for the last 3 years.
4SLI GTX 1080's could easily do it, but that's dumb ass and not at all friendly for the genpop.
You'd also need a headset that had 4k screens and that's not going to happen as nobody would buy it.
So as with a lot of things in the world, totally possible today, but not going to happen for another half decade
/v/ isn't the board for this considering most people don't have jobs and live with mommy.
>>322334552
>Is there even a monitor that supports 5k
Yes, Apple and Dell sell them, LG makes the panels.
>>322335351
>Apple and Dell
So utter shit for gaming?
>>322334329
>i dont think 4k vr will happen anytime soon. you need to render 2 screens at 4k and that is quite a jump from one single screen
VR SLI allows for each screen to render to render on a separate graphics card, it's essentially the only case where SLI can achieve actually 1:1 scaling per card.
As someone who regularly games at 4K, I'd be pissed if next-gen consoles targeted it. That'd mean 8th gen visuals at a higher resolution and basically no other improvements. If they stick to 1080p, games will wind up virtually photorealistic and I'LL be able to play them at 4K on my high-end PC.
I built a good gaming pc only to realise I don't like AAA games so graphics are not an issue for me. Oh well.
>>322335554
Next gen console aiming for 1080 with a shit ton of new impressive effects etc would be the best case scenario as PC would get all that benefit plus 4k+ resolutions
If they went 4k aim it'd be shitty poor man's 4k and almost all games would skip on coming up with cool tech (like hairworks etc) because the consoles can't handle it.
My main gripe is what the Xbox 360 and PS4 did, it made 8 year long console cycles acceptable.
The PS4 and Xbone will be fucking obsolete by 2018 and need to die. But I guarantee they wont be replaced till 2020
>>322333074
Pretty far thanks to nvidia and gameworks. Assuming you are talking about Ultra anyway, although since AA isn't as critical at 4k and most AAA games use shitty post processing gameworks bullcrap nowadays it might not be so far off
Although
>Will we see a console that could do that by 2025?
Lol, no, not even hating but just no
Pascal is coming soon with 12gb RAM and a totally new GPU architecture on 14nm, so yes it will be viable this year. Everything the past 4 card generations were built off one old architecture.
>>322336124
>Pretty far thanks to nvidia
MOMMY SOMEONE DIDN'T SUCK AMDS DICK!!!!!!
>>322336060
>>322335554
There's absolutly no way the PS5 could get away with being 1080p when pc's are doing 4k TODAY.
How on fucking earth would they market the thing?
>PS5 WITH STUNNING 1080P!!!
The Xbox 360 ads from TEN YEARS AGO were saying the same thing. The only way to get the babbies to upgrade to a new console would be 4k
>>322336060
>Next gen console aiming for 1080
No.
Do you not grasp how long it will be before the next gen? By the time the next gen hits, everyone will be buying 4K tvs from the sole virtual that 1080p TVs will be nearly phased out by then. No console is going to target 1080p in what is likely to be 2021
>>322336294
>>322336294
>dat volta jump also
I will fucking lol so bad at the PS4/PC comparisons when that shit is out.
There will literally be games running at 8k with sli'd voltas while the PS4 is struggling to run the latest games at 1080 with 30fps.
>>322336364
shut up retard, they are the main factor of software bloat in video games
>>322333074
It is affordable. Just don't expect to get both 60+fps and high settings.
>>322336060
Even if this gen lasts 2 years less than the last one, it will be 2019 when the next gen comes. If it lasts the same it will be fucking 2021.
By then, you'll be hard pressed to even find a 1080p TV in a store. Everyone will have 4K by then just because it's the only TV they can buy at that point. Consoles coming out saying "Remember that resolution you haven't even seen in past 3 years? Our games run at that!" would be suicide. It would be like launching the PS4 promising 480p games.
there is nothing 4k about a 3840x2160 display
stop using sheep marketing terms
>>322336560
by 2021 we will be 4 generations of graphics cards ahead of the current consoles.
see >>322336294's graph
There's no way in fucking hell the console can hold out that long. It will be like comparing PS2 games to the witcher 3 running on a 970
>>322336560
There are rumors of more powerful xbone and PS4 versions next year.
Console makers aren't sleeping
>>322336801
>stop using this established marketing term when talking about said established marketed item
>>322336881
0 chance of that happening.
>>322336124
>Pretty far thanks to nvidia and gameworks.
you know you don't have to turn the gameworks shit on right
>>322336881
>There are rumors of more powerful xbone and PS4 versions next year.
There are rumours I shit solid gold bars.
>>322335472
Considering display port 1.2 barely has the bandwidth to push 5k @60hz then yes. Something like 8-12ms g2g.
>>322336937
But soon enough ultra textures and shit like that will be gameworks, its not just about geralt's hair blowing in the wind anymore, both Syndicate and Fallout 4 had AA options that were gameworks and next year that shit will only be more prevalent
>>322336936
>They don't want to be leapfrogged by Nintendo NX
>Sony wants VR
>14nm
>AMD promises new semi custom chips in 2016
I have an old 720p 40 inch tv and a 24 inch 1080 monitor. Wondering how 4K DSR would look on the bigger but shittier TV, gotta try this in the morning
Want to make a bet anyone?
I say Microshit and $ony will not put out a console till at least 2020. It's incredibly expensive to make and launch a new console (marketing included) and takes years for it to become profitable.
They know the average pleb who buys CoD doesn't give a shit about 4k and will keep buying ps4/xbone games for a long time.
>>322336294
He said affordable, anon.
>>322336793
You realize if 4K becomes the console norm, games will look almost identical to the ones we have now, right? You can't quadruple resolution and expect miracles in terms of effects. From a marketing standpoint I can kind of get it but I think we'll be seeing 1080p again with photoreal visuals. Photorealism will be the marketing boost the consoles need.
I doubt even regular broadcast TV will be in 4K by 2021, they're still on 720p lmao
>>322336939
I want to see that actually.
I know you can't, but if the rumors are true, please, show me your glorious asshole.
>>322337195
They wont need to because thanks to nvidia there wont be much extra grafix on PC even with 2000$ pascal's. And normies care about graphics a lot
>>322337138
Not sure about AC:Syndicate (I don't play that shit) but Fallout 4s temporal AA was not Gameworks.
nVidia does offer a TAA solution (TXAA) but it only works on their hardware, and FO4s TAA worked on any system.
>>322337296
>>322337195
>yfw NVIDIA makes a Shield box targeting normies, selling 4K at a loss because fuck the consoles and their AMD hardware
it just gamewurks
>>322333074
It's perfectly possible right now unless you are some casual who exclusively plays Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 shit and can't bear to use high settings instead of ultra.
Most people who buy expensive PCs only play old games and CS:GO anyway, which run perfectly fine at 4k even on a midrange card.
Fucking entitled PCmustardrace these days thinks it's not worth buying a GPU unless it can max out every game ever made.
>>322337154
They can't get away with calling it "THE NEW PS4" if it means the old one can't run VR for shit.
It'l be the Wii U debacle all over again with retards buying Wii U games for their Wii. But even fucking worse
>>322337463
>Games are compatible with both versions
>If you buy PS4.5 they have better graphics
There. Problem solved.
It's like the memory expansion pack for the N64.
>>322337338
Gameworks works on any system m8, I'm fairly sure TAA in Fallout 4 is gameworks given the extensive use of their proprietary shit. Either way there is a lot of proprietary nvidia shit for the future and it will ruin PC gaming already more than its been ruined
>>322337405
Nah they'll just keep milking the GPU market with 20% increases and ignoring the older generations. Oh and those 20% increases negated by their bullcrap that still doesn't look better than crysis
>>322337261
Tv is different as the market will put up with awful picture quality.
Just look at the millions of retards who will download sub-480p dvd screener movies and watch them on a brand new 4k TV.
Console gamers are a lot more picky when it comes to IQ, but not nearly enough as PC Master Race.
>>322333074
>Affordable
Nigga, even the GTX 980 Ti struggles in a handful of games.
Focus on 1440p first.
>>322333074
>2025
Try 2050 OP
>>322334552
You can downscale if you have a lower resolution monitor and have a much better effect that any AntiAliasing method could give, giving you the benefits of a higher resolution.
>>322337629
>Gameworks works on any system m8, I'm fairly sure TAA in Fallout 4 is gameworks given the extensive use of their proprietary shit.
Most Gameworks effects run on any system, TXAA does not. It relies on some specific details of Kepler/Maxwell to work.
http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/technology/txaa/technology
> TXAA is only supported on NVIDIA® Kepler™ GPUs and will require a GTX 600–series graphics card, or higher, to enable the feature in the game's graphics options.
>>322337154
>>AMD promises new semi custom chips in 2016
AMD promises a lot of things, their ability to deliver them is another story, Surely 2016 will be the year of Zen, right? I mean so was 2014 and 2015. Their inability to deliver leads to stories like these
http://www.barrons.com/articles/amd-could-be-profitable-in-24-months-1447419030
>>322336636
nice hyperbole you fucking queer
>>322337747
I'm not even surprised
Either way this post processing AA needs to go away, NEEDS to, its absolute dog shit
>>322337587
>You can buy a game and run on any version but you have to upgrade your console if you want to increase the graphics settings on the games
So just a PC without user selectable scalability, without open development and without mods, etc
>>322337291
>Thinking any anon will risk getting his Golden Gooch stolen.
>>322334246
>shoots dragon with tiny crossbow bolt
>it flops to the ground in a second from high up in the air
GOTY
>>322337820
>Mods
but they're gonna get those, for a low, low fee and with the approval of the Official BethSoft® Community Content Market™ of course
>>322337857
>plug&play
>no maintenance
>games are tested and optimised for specific hardware configuration
>cheaper because SOC and mass produced
Still retains all the benefits of a console.
>>322337820
Not happening senpai, MSAA is brutally inefficient in modern deferred renderers and doesn't even work that well anymore. Engines keep moving more and more detail from actual geometry (which MSAA refines) to faking it in shaders (which MSAA doesn't touch).
Post-AA and downsampling are the only ways to go now.
>>322335898
Good thing that PC has the best Library of Indie games then.
>>322333074
consoles don't fucking prioritize framerate, so they'll never have 60 as the standard fps.
the rez, maybe next gen.
>>322337797
>Console babby detected.
Console games struggle to run well at the end of a generation due to all the advances in games. GPU's this year will be 4 times faster than PS4 hardware and in 2018 the volta will be 8x.
If anything i was underselling the differences by saying you would need 'SLI Volta' cards. When in reality a single Volta Titan could run 8K easy
>>322337760
AMD doesn't develop a semi custom chip without a customer. The only question is who their customer is in 2016. Nintendo, Sony, MS or somebody else. Apple potentially but they seem to be doing their own chips anyway.
Its possible but game makers don't focus on that shit.
4k 60 fps won't sell a game
>>322338169
Post-AA looks disgusting on Full HD. It's acceptable on 2560x1440, but still slightly blurry.
With 4K all AA will probably vanish because it's just not necessary.
>tfw pascal based consoles come out volta will already have been on the market for a while.
I fucking despise consoles and how they hold shit back.
>>322333074
Based on what video cards were 10 years ago and now, I'll say yes to being affordable.
A console in 9 years? Doubtful considering new consoles will be out probably 7 years after the previous release and they start development a few years before. So they'll be tied to hardware in like 5 years.
>>322338443
> yfw ue4 only supports fxaa or their custom temporal post-aa
> no msaa support whatsoever
> approximately one billion games will use it over the next 6 years
>>322338443
>4K makes AA obsolete
>>322338472
>consoles are holding me back
>p...please give me console ports
Nvidia can't into consoles anyway because they can't into CPUs.
You'll sooner see an Intel console than a Nvidia console.
You faggots are delusional. Companies exist to make as much money selling the cheapest goods possible.
As long as plebs like most of /v/ can't tell the difference between medium-high-ultra settings non of this matters.
There's people who literally cannot tell the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS reading this thread right now and this is a DEDICATED gaming community.
Just imagine what the normie fucks will accept.
>>322338678
I wouldn't say obsolete, but it's true. The higher the resolution, the smoother lines become thus not needing some bullshit blur a cross the screen.
>>322338778
>>322338778
90% of game devs wish they could develop soley for PC but it's just too small of a market if you want to go AAA budget.
This console port meme is retarded because games are developed on PC and downscaled and ported to consoles.
I'm already gaming at 4k >60fps
worth the money
>>322338828
>There's people who literally cannot tell the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS
You swallowed the bait. No such people exist.
>>322339049
>games are developed on PC and downscaled and ported to consoles.
There was an argument for this being a good thing back in the snes days as devs had to get creative to overcome the limitations of the console hardware and it lead to innovations that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
These days however it's just a matter of lowering the FPS cap and Resolution and calling it a 'console version'
>>322339049
Fallout 4 was developed for consoles.
Witcher 3 was developed for consoles.
AssCreed was developed for consoles.
Nobody developers games for PC these days except indie devs.
>>322339216
My boyfriend cannot tell the difference, we did a little test before xmas.
Trust me, those people exist.
>>322339460
>My boyfriend
Fuck off cunt or fag
>>322339453
>Witcher 3
They have a REALLLLLLLY good way of showing it then.
>>322339216
Not the guy you're replying to but I know a guy who genuinely thought you cant notice anything above 60 fps
It happens, those desperate naughy dog apologists outside of /v/ are pretty serious too when they say 30 fps is more cinematic and they like it more
>>322339453
But all those games run like shit on consoles, especially fallout 4
>>322339453
Those games weren't developed for consoles, they were developed for CONTROLLERS.
Fallout 4 & Witcher 3 run like fucking GARBAGE on the consoles with FPS dips into the 20's.
You cannot fucking tell me this is what the devs intended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-HdE64S07A
>>322339460
Is he blind?
I also geniunely hope you're a girl and not a degenerate poz loader.
>>322333818
980 Ti gets 54 FPS at 4k with no AA turned on, while getting 43~ on all other games without AA. Give it two more nivida generations and it'll be a thing. Aka by the time the ps5 can run 1080p smoothly 4k will be a thing.
>>322339684
for me, anything above 60fps is a neat bonus but definitely nothing I'd consider targeting regularly. It's such a performance hit that I'd rather it be ignored.
>>322339743
>y were developed for CONTROLLERS
There are benefits and downsides to both controller and kb+m in Witcher 3 but for Fallout 4 why would you choose controller when given the option? Its just a FPS
>>322339743
>Playstation News Now
>bitching about Xbone
>muh PS4 muh based Sony
Is this some kind of meme?
>>322339460
How bad is his vision and brain?
>>322339743
Fallout 4 has physics tied to fps and runs like dogshit on PC. It's 100% a console game made even worse by Gameworks shit
>>322333209
you're a big guy
>>322339809
Same here of course, I was just giving an example. In fact many times I cap my framerate/hz to 50fps if the game is very demanding. 30 fps capped isn't all that bad either especially since most of those games I play with a controller/on a console. For me its only bothersome when it drops under 30, which every single fucking game I played on my PS3 had. Even psp ones like LCS dropped
Also only 60hz monitor so anything above 60fps is kinda useless, although I do feel the extra smoothness in mouse movement, Stalker COP and UT99 especially could feel it
>>322339803
Games do get better over time and will continue to target the main audience of whatever console with the most sales. Though it'll be more polys in the scene, lighting, and particles.
>>322339958
>runs like dogshit on PC
Not really, it has some weird drops in a few places, but 90% of the time it's locked 60 with performance to spare.
>muh Gameworks boogieman
Enjoy your no volumetric lighting.
>>322339453
>Witcher 3 was developed for consoles
I will never stop laughing.
>>322339809
>>322339809
Anything above 60FPS is like adding a cherry to a cake.
Anything below is like removing basic ingredients in the recipe like milk, or eggs.
>>322333074
literally this year mate.
new gen manufacturing rolling out q2
>>322340129
>q2
Why does it have to be so late again. Hold me.
>>322339915
He's got perfect 20/20 (I wear glasses)
as for the brain? he's a normie, has a Xbone and plays fifa.
>>322340110
I disagree. Been gaming on consoles all my life and I've just recently been able to max everything out with 60fps. Personally I'd take higher res over the solid 60 frames, 30 really isn't that bad to me unless it's a dip from 60
>>322340082
>it's locked 60
that should tell you it's a console game
>>322339743
Isn't 0 FPS just called a freeze/stutter?
>>322339460
fag pls go
>>322340282
Yes, but it's impossible to explain to some people.
>>322340239
I dont mind 30 fps on consoles but I do mind when it drops under that
>>322340189
>q2
april-june isn't that far away. There will be zero graphically demanding games worth getting between now and then, all the good shit comes out in the holiday season
>>322340256
Ok. Do we now judge games based on some anons impression of what constitutes a PC game?
>>322340483
I know it's not that far. Already have money saved for both GPU and CPU ugprades though, so I'm kinda restless.
>>322340363
Low standards are for beta males. I bet you'd marry a hambeast also.
Give me 60+FPS or give me death
>>322333074
A console will never target 60fps
You could have a PS5 release tomorrow with SLI Titan X's and they'd still push graphical fidelity over performance
As long as the vast majority don't own displays capable of a native 4k resolution they will stick to 1080p too
>>322340650
>marriage
pic related
but really I just cant be bothered anon, playing shit with wireless ds3 on my ps3 capped 30fps is smooth enough, like I said its only bothersome when it drops under
On PC I'm a bit more picky, but only when playing with a mouse/kb. Although some games are really jerky under 60
>>322340604
as a side bonus if VR turns out to not be a shit gimmick you'll be able to handle that also.
Where as the PSVR has been said to run at 720p 30fps for most games.
I have another question, how long till 4K is the majority in homes and 1080 is the minority?
It felt like the roll out of HDTV's took forever, remember Dead Rising's tiny text that was impossible to read on a HDTV?
>>322336294
how true do you think this chart will actually be?
>>322340967
>1080p minority
that will take a long time m8
even with massive 4k marketing the TVs are still more expensive and pointless to most people
>>322340967
Last console generation was eight years long.
So about twenty-four I imagine.
>>322341024
probably 100% accurate but games still wont get a massive boost because its easier to just sell GPUs based on software bloat
So ... uhhh... when are the next gens of cards coming out? Basically past the 900's for NVidia and 300's for AMD?
Last year was really lackluster on AMD's part. Especially when they poured salt on the 3.5 debacle and came out with this rebrand of the rebrand of the rebrands 300's.
Yes I'm aware of NVidia doing that for awhile as well (8800 > 9800 > 250)
>>322341228
q1-4 2016 for nvidia
no idea for amd since i havent followed radeons ever
>>322341312
July/August
>>322341228
Fucking wake up anon
>>322336294
>>322336294
>>322336294
>>322336294
You can already play 4k on 60fps for $500-$600 price range if you do your god damn research.
why do you console babies think you need to buy everything expansive. baka
>>322341502
>500 to 600$
>just for GPU's
>not expensive
While the game might be shit, I always point to this vid when console babbies say 4k does not matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGyaR2sSBkA
Tell me you don't think that looks good.
>>322341353
was it confirmed?
pretty cool then, enough time for me to get rid of the 980
although i might not swap on release because i want to wait and check if their jewery is too much this time around
>>322341679
Get a job if you find it too expansive. My summer job payed me thrice the amount of my current pc
>>322341727
>imagine VR porn games with that fidelity.
>>322341727
>MUH sparkly sparkly xplosionzz
Enjoy your 0 gameplay
>>322341853
we're getting there anon
https://vimeo.com/89461943
>>322341312
AMD only just released the 380 and Fury a few months ago. Most next-gen GTX cards are released at the end of Summer every 2 years.
>>322334552
>WHY
What, do you think that we've hit the limit for display resolutions and should just stop now? In a hundred years we should still be using 1080p@30Hz?
The only people that question improvements like that are the people that can't afford them. You finally got a 2560x1440 monitor and now feel threatened that you wont be able to pretend to have a decent PC, so you'd rather thing stagnate forever so you can feel better about yourself.
>>322341887
as I said retard, the game is shit.
However this is a thread about visuals. Imagine if the new system shock had that level of fidelity.
>>322342119
>The only people that question improvements like that are the people that can't afford them
Literally 90% of /v/.
>>322335898
Same. I got decent PC but I'm constantly searching older games I've not played.
Hell, Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup has eaten my time recently and that shit runs on anything.
>>322342370
Better to have it and not need it than the opposite.
>>322342370
I mostly play downsampled old games on my PC and classic PSN titles on my PS3
Not even a jaded edgelord, I just feel like I've missed some games and more interested in playing those than the flashiest newest AAA game. Helps that I dont need to feel validation by playing flavour of the month and can enjoy games even if they haven't just been released
>>322342451
No, generally I avoid buying things I don't need or want.
>>322342567
Sign of a poorfag struggling to make ends meet.
>>322342681
If you say so.
>>322341727
so someone wasted their time making a shit game look pretty? now i see why you praise pc gaymen so much
>>322342736
>doesn't even deny it
>>322342785
just save some money and buy one to go with your preferred console(s) anon. then you wont have to be jaded all the time
>>322342864
Ok.
>>322334019
10 years ago was the 360, a more meaningful comparison is between that and the xbone. Hardware gains are increasingly marginal.
>>322343718
just because consoles can't utilize the tech released doesn't mean tech isn't released
>>322341024
It's likely 90-100% accurate, for COMPUTE tasks. That, however, does not translate 1:1 with video games.
>>322338828
I think ground textures are a separate option for the Witcher 3. Textures mostly effects walls and clothing I believe. The biggest difference is between low and medium though.
>>322333421
Trivia: Optimal VR experience requires 8k at 90 fps
>>322343868
It's not limited to consoles, compare nehalem to something released today and then the same time period in reverse.
>>322341024
Accurate only as a measure of "performance per watt" which is what it's showing.
HBM2+14nm process is going to be an electricity sipper.
We're still gonna be stuck with shitty console ports.
>>322341679
>puts the $ after the amount
Somebody's never written a check in their life.
>>322344658
not him but I do that shit when I forget to $ before I type the number
we're on the internet, not writing checks for our billsbtw guys I'm gonna need you to go ahead and pay rent in the next week
>>322344847
Doesn't change the fact that the Dollar Sign isn't used that way for USD.
>>322345024
And you made a fragment sentence. Not everyone follows every rule all the time, lighten up you autist.
>>322345182
No he didn't, you dumb twat.
>>322345443
No subject retard
what doesn't change the fact?
>>322345723
Google implied subjects, and then get the fuck out of my language.
>>322345182
>using your brain makes you autistic
No wonder this board is so shit now.
>>322345928
that's not how implied subjects work either
Your sentence doesn't have a subject to begin with and (it) is a fragment.
If I cut out the (it) in the previous sentence I'd be utilizing implied subjects.
>>322345941
>let me make fun of this guy for typing a number differently
>haha why is nobody amused :(
>>322346352
Differently and being wrong are not the same thing.
I know you Gen Zs are allowed a lot of permissiveness in your retardation, but c'mon. When you're wrong, you're wrong.
>>322346352
No. The subject of that sentence is "your sentence." You're confused because you think the phrase "is a fragment" is automatically a subordinate clause. It isn't. It becomes a subordinate clause (and demands a comma) if you add in the pronoun, but the pronoun is neither needed nor implicit.
An implied subject is exactly what it sounds like. It is a situation where the subject is not stated but is still understood. It is most commonly found in imperative sentences (e.g. "get fucked, you ignorant twat.")
You don't know a goddamn thing about a goddamn thing.
>>322333074
If AMD goes under the definition of affordable will be car payments
>>322347386
inb4
>"uh ur autistic :)"
>>322336294
I'd kill for a card that could properly address something in the range of 12GiB VRAM. Then all I'd need is one of those new X range i7's and a decent SSD and would be finally able to mod Skyrim how I want. Yes, I will definitely be one of those plebs playing obscenely modded TES games more than a decade after their release.
>>322336560
Nigger you can still buy TVs that are below 1080i, brand new, now.
You're completely fucking delusional if you think 1080p will be phased out any time soon.
>>322347386
>subordinate clause
Independent clause, not subordinate. My mistake.
>>322347386
>The subject of that sentence is "your sentence."
exactly
where is the subject for this sentence
>Doesn't change the fact that ur autistic
>>322348141
>Google implied subjects, and then get the fuck out of my language.
>You don't know a goddamn thing about a goddamn thing.
>>322348195
google sentence fragments and tell me where it says you can have a sentence without a subject
>>322348282
I've literally told you exactly when you can do so three times now. It's your choice if you want to continue to be aggressively stupid. I can't help you any more than I have. In the English language we allow for implied subjects.
Good luck in life.
>>322348514
you never implied a subject to begin with
>mfw she needs to sell 84k copies to break even on this steaming pile of shit
Not even spamming this pile of shit everywhere is going to save you from being a colossal failure.
>>322333074
you'll see a PC do it affordably by 2020
>>322349091
Depends what you mean by affordably, I bet the pascal equivalent of a 980ti could run 4k smoothly as a single card. Not exactly cheap but not the most expensive stuff you can buy either
Why are there no 8k monitors yet? There are 8k TV's, why not monitors? How else am I going to do 8K gaming, on my TV?
DX12 still a thing? Any cards actually able to use it?
>>322333074
>Will we see a console that could do that by 2025?
Be the end of this gen consoles will be back to 720p so I wouldn't expect it. They can barely do 1080p at 30fps for most games.
>>322333074
Just go 1440p/144hz master race. 4k doesn't mean much for monitors.
Depends on your definition of affordable.
>The 970 more or less handles almost every 1080p game without issues.
>1440p is just now usable on bigger games on one card with the 980ti with at least 60 FPS. Something we have been trying to do since around 2012ish.
>Two 980ti's can barely get at least 60FPS on 4K in most instances, and even then you sometimes have to turn down several major options. Depends on the game, some games can be handled on 4K 980ti without issue.
Pascal should be a pretty big leap, but I see it being more of a upgrade for cheap 1440p at the $300 mark with 4K starting to be at least 60FPS on one card with the majority of games at the $600 mark. I would be surprised if we see affordable 4K until 2017-2018 or so.
>>322339591
>downgraded hard as fug
yeah realllly good
>>322333421
>difference at 55 inches
Come on, I want this meme to end. You can see the difference on a regular 27inch display.
>>322349781
>4k doesn't mean much for monitors.
Huh? Its great if you want an above 27 inch monitor, not to mention that fucking workspace
Also
>not having a 1440/144hz, 4k, nice standard ips 1080p and curved ultrawide monitor each for its own purpose
>>322349951
>Two 980ti's can barely get at least 60FPS on 4K in most instances, and even then you sometimes have to turn down several major options. Depends on the game, some games can be handled on 4K 980ti without issue.
>barely
Aside from assassins creed syndicate/arkham knight what is there that 2 980tis couldn't blast at 4k?
>>322333074
>60fps
>not 120 or 144
gross
>>322336294
Will the 12 GB of VRam actually be 10.5 GB?
>>322334552
>Is there even a monitor that supports 5k? so pointless.
Downsampling is a thing, anon.
You can play on 4K downsampled on a 1080p monitor if you want, it will reduced greatly the aliasing. Better than shit like FXAA on certain game
>>322351482
>Better than shit like FXAA on certain game
You mean better in 100% of cases when you can get it running because FXAA is ripe shite
Can't wait for Pascal for a proper upgrade. Was tempted by the GTX 980 Ti but just held myself back because I'm still at 1080p.
>>322351708
if i see this goddamn picture one more time...
>>322350450
Witcher 3, Metro: Last Light, GTAV are a few that have issues with 4K completely maxed out. If you turn off certain features, you can get it running at a much better framerate, but not completely maxed out.
And even then, with people with high refresh monitors many titles barely get above 70 maybe 80FPS at 4K. I am talking about absolutely destroying the game on a single card like the 980ti is doing for 1440p gaming right now.
>>322333209
Although this is a background character it's still extremely noticeable.
>>322351906
Why are you so bothered?
>>322333209
>At times I feel like even 1080 is too big.
>>322336294
>dat Volta jump tho
I'm skipping Pascal, it's merely 2 years apart and by then they must've ironed out the kinks from all the early adapters.
>>322333074
>>322337691
That's why I have 2 of them with overclocked everything.
>2016
>being poor
Somebody who has actually used 4k and 1440p 144hz here
Refresh rates are infinitely more important than 4k. 1440p is a drastic increase to HD, but doesn't lose much to 4k, really minor difference. So all in all we should be supporting 1440p and 100+hz, not 4k. There's plenty of great 1440p 144hz monitors on themarket already, and a single 980ti can drive them on most newer games with med-high settings.
>>322352127
>witcher 3
Just gameworks, and even then you could still OC the cards and get stable 60
The other I give you, granted GTAV has those nasty advanced settings that rape performance when maxed out
We can do 4k 60fps easily right now, we just need to take a step back in graphics which is near impossible in today's world.
People killed themselves over the switch from CRT to LCD, there is no way we are going to ever going back to that.
>be me
>just plugged in my new Asus pg279q
>1440p
>165hz
>ips
Amazing.
>>322353229
XB270HU owner here, it's a wonderful thing isn't it?
Whenever I have my second display on while I'm working, the difference in colour is fucking astonishing.
>>322353347
Coming from gaming on a 60hz TV for comfy living room gaming, I'm more than happy.
I knew it was gonna be good, but not this good.
I was a bit worried how my 980ti would handle the new screen, but it does great. Also, G-sync is wonderful.
>>322353741
Like you, I want to run a monitor with a greater resolution than 1080 at a higher refresh than 60Hz, but I like being able to destroy everything I throw at my 980 Ti.
It's a conundrum.
>>322353741
can you tell me what yhevfuck gsync does?
>>322353931
get another 980ti :^)
>>322354061
makes shit smoother than a baby's asshole
>>322354061
It's adapative vsync basically.
It synchronizes your frame-rate to your refresh rate so there's no screen tearing. Unlike vsync, it doesn't cost any performance and doesn't introduce input latency.
>>322333209
>trying to shoot nigs at max range in rust who are only a few hella jaggy pixels
1080p is garbage desu
>>322333074
HDMI doesn't have enough bandwidth for 4k 60FPS video.
>>322354268
HDMI2.0
Also pretty sure you're wrong
>>322354191
>Play bf4 in 4k
>suddenly I don't need any scope with a zoom over 2x
Shit's crayzee yo
>>322354087
If I buy another GPU it wont be until Volta :V
>>322339216
These people exist, and they're a fuckton
>>322348950
What are you even talking about?
>>322352837
>Refresh rates are infinitely more important than 4k
I'm not disagreeing but could you explain why?
>>322342785
Battlefront is arguably the best looking game atm
>>322333074
>Will we see a console that could do that by 2025?
Considering they're nowhere close to 1080p 60fps in 2016, and 2025 is only a single console generation away, I'm gonna go with no.
>>322355969
The difference is there even when you get used to it. Motions look actually real for the first time. You get used to going back to worse resolution, but going back to worse refresh rate is difficult. And more importantly, higher refresh rates actually do give you a significant advantage in some games. Shooters and reaction gamed at least, quake and rocket league were very much better for me on higher FPS.
>>322334552
I spit on Sonyggers like you.
