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Is it worth it to get pic related?
Yeah, it's a very good game in general and the best of the Souls series.
That being said if you don't own a PS4 I wouldn't buy one JUST for BB.
>>322289226
Nope! Xavier Woods called it the worst game of 2015.
>>322289368
>Very good
Absolutely
>Best Souls game
Whoa there, let's not go too crazy
If you already own a PS4, absolutely.
If you don't...you clearly already own a PC, wait for the inevitable PC release with bug fixes, extra content, DLC, and improved controls. You know, like every game.
>>322289226
How much affinity do you have for action games?
Do you have decent reflexes?
Its a great game, but its not for everyone.
>>322289603
This.
>>322289604
C'mon, don't bring that shit here. You know what will happen.
>>322289675
I'm kinda fucked in the head since I lost my friends, so I love when a game is actually challenging. Problems rise when the difficulty is blatantly "artificial"
>>322289604
aren't there mods that make dark souls easier?
>>322289604
>wait for the inevitable PC release
>>322290084
No. There is a built-in system that makes enemies a bit weaker the longer you consecutively play and you can exploit it by leaving your PS4 on for a few days, but I don't know if it still works anymore.
Not that you should exploit it anyway.
Just started this game. It's atmospheres amazing.
combats tight and I love Lovecraft themes,
>>322290339
>>322290084
Hur durf misread. Ignore.
>>322290339
That just takes the fun out of the game.
My friend Mike says ninja gaiden 1 is probably the hardest new-gen game he's played.
Take that soulfags
>>322290339
That's not a system. It's a memory leak in Bloodborne. It was patched out within about a month.
Pros
>Great combat system, faster and promotes aggressiveness, and doesn't allow for backstab cheesing
>Weapons, while few, have much more variety than the other games, and are all reasonably powerful
>Fantastic visual aesthetic and soundtrack
>Solid level design
Cons
>Lack of armor variety, most outfits are just brown or grey clothing
>Worst invasion system of the series, you can only invade people who are summoning players to their world, making most attempts at invasion into 2 vs 1 gangbangs
>The only healing item needs to be farmed, meaning if you fuck up against a certain boss too much, you're forced to grind to get more
>Chalice Dungeons are repetitive and boring, but are the only way to get the best Bloodgems, necessary for making your weapon do acceptable damage in NG+ and above
>Bosses in general have way too much HP
>Most enemies have DaS2 levels of tracking
I'd say it's an 8/10
>>322290882
wtf is that picture from?
>>322289604
Will BB ever get a PC release? If yes then I would delay my suicide
>>322293202
>its my first day on /v/ and the only game i ever played was CoD
>>322289226
I'm not enjoying it but that might be because I'm not gud.
>>322289226
Yes. Goty 2015 for anyone that played it through.
>>322293448
Have you beat rom yet?
>>322289226
Yeah i got it on boxing day.
It's pretty good, the gothic style is amazing and it's challenging.
It's like most souls games and the hit boxes can be kinda wonky here and there but it's usually pretty solid.
So far it's my favourite souls game.
>>322293448
I honestly am curious about this. I sublet a room to the world's most casual gamer. She's 21, sells art on etsy and loves anime and her goty is Life is Strange. SHE got to vicar in like 4 hours with no prior souls experience. How do people get stuck on these games?
>>322293273
No. It's Sony owned, same shit as Demon's Souls.
>>322291971
>Those last two cons
>Insinuating bad fashion souls
Why lie, anon?
>>322289226
Got it for my wife's son
Hope he likes it
>>322289226
yea but it has problems. today i was gun parried by a wooden post. ill upload the web m later
Looks like a great game, but it's not worth $400.
>>322289226
it's a niche and exclusive game that will probably die when dark souls 3 comes out.
if you don't get it now, don't bother if you appreciate the online elements.but i think it's the greatest game of all time.
>>322293891
Was she using guides/spamming the Hunter Axe charged R2?
>>322294660
Good thing it's only $50 then.
>>322295082
Nope. I believe she went threaded cane, blind run. She just played safe.
>>322293273
No Anon I'm sorry.
You can always get a PS4 if you don't want to kill yourself.
>>322289603
Its arguably better than Demon's Souls.
Its better than Dark Souls because half of that game just isn't very good.
And it sure as shit is better than Dark Souls 2.
I bought a PS4 for this and it was worth it
But it's much harder than Dark Souls. Some enemies and bosses have a shit ton of health, most of the content is locked away until the second half of the game, healing items do not replenish at the Lamps and parrying requires a farmable resource. Drop rates go down with every drop so with every attempt at the boss the fight is harder.
Level design and atmosphere are fucking phenomenal, there are more NPCs and all of them are well written and voiced. There aren't many weapons but they're interesting and armors look cool in the edgy way.
I'm at Rom and I love it, game changed from Van Helsing to Lovecraft in one hour of gameplay.
>>322295534
dark souls became the best game ever once it was ported to pc, anon. even implying demon's souls, or even bloodborne, is better than dark souls (which is an unfinished and rushed game, leaving a dull game post anor londo), is taboo. it's not like demon's souls deserves credit for starting up the franchise, or even bloodborne, that reinvigorated the gameplay. nope, dark souls is best because it has tons of useless weapons.
>>322293202
I'm guessing its alyx from Half life 2
It has no story at all.
>>322296274
lmao u just dont get it
>>322293602
What's that?
>>322294216
But the fashion does suck. Most of the silhouettes and colors are too samey, and there's too much coats.
And how are the last two points invalid? Later bosses, and pretty much everything in NG+, have way too much HP, and can also kill you in 3 hits even with high VIT.
The tracking should be obvious, though I will admit the player's agility lets them deal with it more easily.
>>322295243
You have to buy this $350 plastic boat anchor thing to get it to work.
It's fucking stupid.
>>322296274
>hey guys, I'm a huge retard who has to be spoon fed and hit over the head with every ounce of plot in the game or it doesn't exist. I'm not smart enough to understand subtext and Lovecraftian themes so I'll go shitpost on /v/ about it. Either that or I have a PC and have never played this game. Thanks guys, bye!
>You
>>322296274
There are other ways to tell stories other than shitting out expositional dialogue on the player, anon.
>>322296395
>sony funds a new and original IP
>not even named Demon's Souls 2
>it's an amazing game
>will force pc players to cave in if they want it bad enough
gotta hand it to Sony. makes me laugh everytime i read the opinion of those who say that exclusives are bad business.
>>322296559
Not him but I'm the type of person who, if there are zombies, I want to know why there are zombies.
I like context and games that fail to provide context are disappointing.That means you, Left 4 Dead.
>tfw running into the 3 hunters in Unseen Village where the Gaol Lamp used to be
Well...was not expecting that at all...
>>322289226
Absolutely. The expansion alone is fantastic.
>>322289604
Literally never happening.
>>322296559
plot is shit anyway.
turns out it was aliens all along. wow what a twist
>>322289226
Literally 10/10 game.
>>322296809
It's tempted me a couple of times but as soon as I look at the library and what's upcoming, I pass.
It's a good investment for someone with an old console, but if you have a good PC it's just robbery.
>>322296841
They're zombies because of Old Gods, it's pretty simple. Bloodborne has the most straight forward and simple story out of all the Souls games.
Honestly, an 8 year old could understand Bloodborne's story, there is plenty of context all over the place.
>>322296841
>Not him but I'm the type of person who, if there are zombies, I want to know why there are zombies.
i guess that closes off a huge genre for you, anon, anything even remotely related to magical realism
>I like context and games that fail to provide context are disappointing.
bloodborne has a world where you, as the player, are not directly fed information through exposition. instead, like other souls games, you experience a world post-catastrophe. you need to actually think about what you're doing and how things correlate and it's not that hard to actually know what's going on. granted, it's a game where there are not definite answers for things, but it raises an important question: does there need to be?
>>322297121
>missing all of the lovecraftian inspiration all over the place
It's like the Shoggoths already let you go mad with stupidity.
>>322289604
>Wait for the inevitable PC release
>>322297190
I wasn't calling out Bloodborne. Right this second I don't care because I'm >>322293448. So I'm still struggling to get traction in how to play the game right.
But if it remains flimsy once I make some headway I might get kind of peeved.
>>322296841
there is context, it just isn't given until a fair bit later in the game and not very explicitly. the wherewolves and ayylmaos are explained via the old blood, great ones, and whatnot, it's just not ex-positional ya know?
>>322297121
>there's no plot
>the plot exists and is shit
pick one.
are you familiar with Lovecraft at all? naturally it was "great ones" from the cosmos, that was his thing. if you want to simplify it to something as broad as aliens or don't like cosmic horror, that's your preference, it doesn't take away from the quality.
Yes
>>322289368
>Souls series
Bloodborne is not a Souls game
>>322296380
You're mad that there is more than one hunters coat? Go get on fextralife and count the fundamentally different silhouettes. It's over 2 dozen. Given that they all look beautiful, that's enough for me. I admit that's subjective though. Games like Lords of the Fallen where every single armor is the same style of plate mail just doesn't do it for me.
As for bosses, again I could have been wrong. If you were a much lower level than me, your damage could have made bosses seem harder. What level were you for major points in the game?
I found all bosses very appropriate at:
>Vicar at 22, +2 weapon
>Rom at 36ish, +4 weapon
>final boss at 60 ish, +7 weapon
>>322297565
well meme'd
>>322294235
You're a good father.
>>322289226
Yes.
>>322297565
>this meme
Here's your reply.
DS1>BB=DeS>DS2
>>322297565
great bait mate (no you're probably just an idiot actually)
>>322297316
Won't make it to the PC since Sony owns the rights to the game.
>>322296395
But you play video games in 2016, you should already have one.
Unless you're too young/poor to buy your own stuff? If that's not the case and you're just super duper casual, you probably wouldn't like bloodborne anyway.
>>322297752
>DS1 being better than BB
lmaoing at this meme
>>322289226
DaS PC modded version > Bloodborne > DaS > DeS > DaS II
>>322297752
>everything I don't like is a meme
It factually isn't. It wasn't marketed as one, it wasn't released as one, and Miyazaki says it isn't one. Not a Souls game.
Show me a source that says otherwise.
>>322297752
>my first game was dark souls
>>322297436
PLEASE tell me there's a full version of this.
>>322298157
It factually is.
It is connected to the series as much as Demons is to Dark. Miyazski has said that he was working within the same framework but wanted to do some new things. No one actually thinks its a part of the narrative world of either dark or demons. Stop being a nigger.
The Old Hunters>Crown of Ivory King>Crown of the Sunken King>AotA>Crown of the Old Iron King
>wait for a co-op player for a while
>get one
>instantly returns to his own world
>>322298546
It's a spiritual successor. It is not part of the series. I don't know what else to tell you. Go read the Wikipedia page, I don't fucking know. Common fucking sense.
>>322298546
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souls_%28series%29
> Although it is its own intellectual property (IP) and not an official Souls installment, it shares many of the elements and concepts from the series. Thus, Bloodborne is often associated in discussion of Souls games.
>>322298157
>being this retarded in public
>>322298621
you're a fucking idiot. dark souls is a spiritual successor to demon's souls, but it's in the same franchise of games. demon's souls ip is owned by sony, but it's still in the "souls" game, even though legally they cannot be considered as such. bloodborne is obviously a souls game.
>>322295357
i'm calling bullshit.
>>322298621
So ignore my post, and the fact that Miyazaki has said that the only series is dark 1,2,and 3 but that his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection. And just senselessly repeat yourself?
>ok kid :^)
>>322298606
>invading a guy constantly
>kill him at least 5 times
>switch to co-op
>get summoned to his world
>die on purpose so he has to fight the boss alone with 1.5x HP
>>322298901
K. I don't really care, I watched her do it.
My point was that I know what type of gamer she is and I genuinely wonder where people get stuck.
>>322298956
>said that the only series is dark 1,2,and 3 but that his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection
>his body of work between Demons Dark and bloodborne can be considered one collection
When the fuck was this ever said? Demons Souls and Dark Souls are in the same series. Bloodborne isn't. He's even said it. Hell, it's common sense.
I wish there was more parodies and tribute videos.
http://youtu.be/mi4QThvzlWY
>>322299208
>posts wikipedia
uh oh argument over guys, the king has spoken
>>322289226
If you've already bought a PS4, you have no reason not to buy Bloodborne. Whether it's the BEST in Souls is highly subjective, but it's definitely part of the endlessly spinning circle that is
>DeS>DaS1>BB>DeS>DaS1 ad infinitum
I feel that none of these three games is objectively better than its fellows. The experiences are two different. However, it does solidify in my mind that DaS2 does not belong in this circle. I would say it's quality is between these games and Lords of the Fallen, leaning closer to Lords of the Fallen. It was a hastily thrown together nonsensical mess with cheap, shallow difficulty, terrible level designs, worse enemy placement within that level design (what the fuck are the Finito tomb guardian fuckers and Jugo pyrowhores doing in the fucking windmill? They're clearly from completely different factions, and the Jugo bitches are from a different fucking country) and even worse story.
I'm really glad to see that Miyazaki is back behind the reins for DaS3. From what I understand of the story so far, the game is going to explore what happens at the end of the Cycle of rekindling? Will we finally get this Dark Party started?
>>322299208
>Although it is its own intellectual property (IP) and not an official Souls installment, it shares many of the elements and concepts from the series
Demon's Souls is its own IP, as well, nimrod. Also citing Wikipedia as an authority is hilarious when they don't even mention that legally Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are not in the same series.
>>322299406
It's better than the collective nothing that you've posted.
>>322289226
It definitely has a fantastic setting. Even without the Lovecraftian Nightmare elements, I love Gothic/Victorian era style settings - it as the potential for beautiful architecture and interesting technologies, while retaining the exhilarating danger of the more medieval ages.
>>322299208
You realize that the fact that Miyazaki himself puts them all in the same conversation -hurts- your stance, right?
Let me ask you, is Demons Souls a souls game? Is Dark souls? Because those games are completely unrelated, only linked together by feel, which bloodborne also shares.
>>322289604
The Bloodborne IP is owned by Sony. It's gained a large amount of commercial and critical success, at least in its niche. To the point where it has become a flagship title for the PS4.
What would Sony possibly have to gain by allowing it to be released on PC? Why would they make an exclusive title, that has been helping them sell hardware, and let someone else take a cut?
I don't work at Sony or From, and I'm not saying it impossible, but there is no logical reason to believe that BB would be ported to PC.
>>322299406
I haven't posted anything, strange as it seems, there is more than one person arguing against your nonsense friend
>>322299167
Did she level up at all? What was her origin?
>>322299609
meant for >>322299489
>>322299508
>Let me ask you, is Demons Souls a souls game?
>is Demons SOULS a souls game
Better question, are you a retard?
>>322299350
>demons souls and dark souls in the same series
Nice bait kid :^)
They're owned by different companies, have stories that take place in different worlds and in fact only share general mechanics and UI elements.
>things that bloodborne shares as well
>>322299495
Too bad they sucked most of the color out of it and 99% of enemies and architecture are the same generic shades of gray
>>322299550
There's also the fact that Japan Studio has been making games since 1999 and not one of them has left PlayStation.
It's the same kind of retardation as expecting a Nintendo game on PC.
>>322299719
The difference between your argument and mine is that I've supported it. All you have is your bullshit word. "They look alike and are made by the same developer, so they're part of the series!"
>>322299712
So you're just assblasted that it's not called Blood Souls?
>That sensible chuckle when 14 year olds get mad
>>322299775
>he never got past Rom
>>322299971
I said 99%
>>322299638
Yeah she leveled up. I mean not a ton, she didn't grind (you don't have to in bb). And origin? Weapon? I said threaded cane
>>322299967
literally this, the only reason retards like this say it's not a souls game is because of the title. if it had something as arbitrary as "souls" in it, they wouldn't even raise the point. it's nonsense. as if a name defines it's similarities.
>>322299931
literally the only thing directly linking Demon's Souls to Dark Souls is the "Souls" title and the underlying fundamental gameplay mechanics. Bloodborne has the same underlying fundamental gameplay mechanics, it's just not called Blood Souls. Legally, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are not in the same series, and wikipedia is not an authority in the matter.
>>322300082
>the only reason retards like this say it's not a souls game is because of the title
Good thing no one in this thread said that.
If you have a PS4 and don't have Bloodborne then I'm not sure what the fuck you think you're doing. Whats the point of the console if you don't have one of the only good exclusives?
>>322300154
>and wikipedia is not an authority in the matter.
Neither are you. I posted Wikipedia. You posted nothing.
Also: http://www.vg247.com/2014/06/13/bloodborne-is-not-a-successor-to-demons-souls-yoshida-insists/
If you were not a retard, you would understand that Wikipedia sites its sources.
>>322299931
Cited Wikipedia? Kek
My source? Go find Miyazaki interviews. Don't make me link letmegooglethatforyou.com
>>322300082
/this
/argumentover
>>322300248
normies literally think Destiny is a PS4 exclusive
>>322300080
How did she no how to level up? Did you tell her?
>>322299550
Tfw BB is so good it's guaranteed to get multiple sequels only on Sony systems
>>322289226
Of course, it's a good game.
Don't expect anything superb though, you know how things are nowadays.
>>322300343
>/this
>/argumentover
>>322300354
What? She talked to the doll. The doll tells you.
>>322300343
common sense doesn't need a citation, bullshit does
>>322300475
Yeah but you have to gain insight too do that. Either find a skull or see a boss. If she didn't know that there's no way she got past the cleric beast or father. With in 4 hours.
>>322300329
>yoshida
jesus christ you're getting desperate. i'm glad you get a marketing executive who makes sure to actually insist on the point that bloodborne has a bit of changed gameplay. here's a similar article right here that i found
http://www.vg247.com/2014/06/11/bloodborne-definitely-isnt-demons-souls-2-no-sir-nothing-to-see/
apparently, if you have a different world and slightly altered gameplay, it can't be related at all to titles ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE IT
can't wait for my unique game experiences i'll have with all of the different fire emblem fates games!
>>322289226
It's kinda cool for one week or so and then you will forget about it.
>>322300384
There have been rumours that the contract with Sony was for 3 exclusive games.
>>322300813
I wouldn't say it has that short a life span, especially with the DLC. but great as I think it is, it has poor replay value, this I will admit.
>>322300810
I'm not that guy but how is Yoshida, the head of SCE, not a reliable source?
>Another Bloodborne shilling thread
>>322293891
I didn't believe this statement at first, however since it's on the Internet I guess it has to be true.
>>322300824
Source?
>>322300178
>>322300790
She found cleric beast first I believe. You don't have to level up hour him out father g, though I think she did put a few in. I think cleric beast only took her 3-4 attempts. You might be forgetting how easy the first few bosses in this game are
Do I need to have PS+ to view notes etc?
>>322301269
yessir, need to be connected to the netwerk
>>322301124
I ain't got one for you, but I know that's what industry leakers from Neogaf have claimed.
I keep getting locked out of lamps. If I'm getting invaded, it takes forever for them to load into my game.
>>322295534
BB lacks replay value and diversity and the PVP is shit. Might be better than DeS just because that was the first game.
>>322301364
Fuck that
>>322300810
>the head of Sony Computer Entertainment, which owns the IP Bloodborne, is not a reliable source for information on the IP Bloodborne
I give up.
>>322301179
You've clearly underestimated her skill. If she can get to Vicar Amelia in 4 hours, she's not nearly as shit as you think. There are people who give up because they've been trying to beat the Cleric Beast for 7 hours. There are people who give up because they can't get past the bonfire villagers.
>>322301525
yeah it does kind of suck, but to be fair you're not missing much, just some trolling and dank memes
It's the only reason to even consider a PS4 at the moment, yes.
>>322289368
>the best of the Souls series.
kek no
It's really great, but it has its fair share of issues.
>>322301558
>he didn't read the article links in the comment
>he didn't processes the message of the post beyond what he needed to attempt a counterargument
>>322301002
>man has nothing to do with development of the game
>man has nothing to do with the insights into development of the game
>the article even mentions the difficulties caused by having two seperate IPs, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls
you're so fucking stupid i can't believe i even have to bother with you. use your own mind, the only fundamental issue here is that "Souls" isn't in the title. if we follow your criteria, then Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are by NO MEANS in the same series of games.
>>322301558
yeah, fucking give up. i'm glad marketing speak is more convincing to you than actual intuition
>>322289226
Yes, love this game.. Story is bonkers and the dlc is ballin'
>>322301756
fair points anon, but no need to be so hostile with this individual anon, I don't think he is the same asshat whose been putting forth this central nonsense argument
>>322301739
I skimmed it. That article is an opinion by a journalist site. I don't know what you want to prove with it.
>>322301172
DELETE THIS
ALL DLC/SOTFS INCLUDED
MY OPINION
BB>DAS>DES>>>>>DAS 2
OBJECTIVE RANKING
BB=DAS>=DES>>>>>>DAS 2
>>322301756
Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it is.
You can't?
BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SOULS GAME. I will never understand why you are so desperate to prove otherwise. It isn't even that serious, you're just a literal retard. You're fucking dujmb.
>>322302146
BB is a watered-down DaS with one playstyle and shitty PVP.
Living proof that dumbin- I'm sorry, streamlining your formula grabs a wider audience.
>>322302386
it's easily the hardest in the series and has objectively more complex combat.
Keep trying to spark shitty arguments even though I said DaS and BB are equal though
>>322302332
if people are super wrong, it's worth your while to argue with them, not very difficult to understand.
>>322302332
Even if it's not a souls game, it'sshorter, more forgiving and has less diverse gameplay than Dark Souls, so it's worse.
>>322302386
And yet, it manages to be harder than any of the Souls games. Maybe it's because you can't behind a shield like a faggot anymore?
>>322302332
Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it isn't.
You can't?
BECAUSE IT IS A SOULS GAME. I will never understand why you are so desperate to prove otherwise. It isn't even that serious, you're just a literal retard. You're fucking dujmb.
>>322289603
Even so, it's extrrmely good for a souls game, and very different
>>322302634
All Souls games are extremely good.
>>322302491
>it's easily the hardest in the series and has objectively more complex combat.
Sure, on opposite day.
BB has fewer equip slots, fewer stats, armor does not affect character movement, fewer weapons, fewer pieces of equipment, fewer upgrade paths, and a less interconnected world. Oh, but the the gameplay is more "streamlined" so I guess it's better.
>>322302332
i don't know man, i guess you gotta be told by a team of marketing executives who have everything to gain from differentiating a new IP from games that are essentially the same so that they can say it's a brand new IP and also interest new players to an already established formula of a series.
don't worry, you've convinced me now. demon's souls is no longer included with the dark souls games. we're all going to follow what is legally binding. please, can someone tell /dsg/ in /vg/ that demon's souls needs its own general now? times have changed.fuck off you stupid asshole.
>>322289226
If you own a Ps4 it's the best in the series
If you don't have a Ps4 you think it's shit because you haven't played it
>>322302567
>B-b-but shields!
kek
Sorry, removing content and options for the player to mess with makes it a less complex and less replayable game. BB is good, it just lacks what gave DaS its staying power.
>>322302634
BB is a good game, it's just the most shallow Souls game.
>>322302615
I've got nothing to do with this argument and I think you're right.
But he already quoted you Shuhei Yoshida saying that it isn't a Souls game. The head of Playstation. While he didn't have anything to do with the development of the game, his opinion on it is worth much more than yours considering his position. And you've failed to counter with anyone more credible.
>>322302830
>legally binding
literally who said anything about legality other than people arguing for your point
>>322302913
>But he already quoted you Shuhei Yoshida saying that it isn't a Souls game. The head of Playstation
Also a different person, but this is meaningless. The CEO of Ford can say whatever the fuck he wants but when it comes down to the technical stuff I want to hear from the folks actually doing the work.
>>322302782
>fewer equip slots
only than dark souls 2, which had too many
>fewer weapons
it has 30+ weapons that all have over twice as many moves as any souls weapons. It has just as much unique interesting weapons as any other souls game if not more
>fewer upgrade paths
this I'll give you
>fewer pieces of equipment
BB has 74 armor sets to DaS 56
>less interconnected
Objectively false. You could maybe say less than DaS 1, which is still wrong, but it is way more connected than DeS or DaS II.
DaS >= DeS > BB >>>> DaS2
It's worth it if you really care about the souls series, just be warned it is not challenging and grows stale quickly.
The stamina in the game is absolutely retarded. Fucking up dodges is rarely punished since you are easily able to recover and spam dodges until you are far out of an enemy's range.
There is no meaningful item progression in the game. The first hunter gear you find can basically be considered your BiS gear in all but a few fringe cases/boss fights. There are literally two weapons worth using at all (Saw -> Ludwigs) for most players playing through the game who aren't on a ng+ or purposely fucking around with builds. This is due to the fact that they are the most overpowered yet naturally obtainable weapons.
The environment and atmosphere is nice for the first 30 minutes, then turn to repetitive shit with occasional fresh scenery. You will get sick of the piles of stone statues places everything where and practically forming the area boundaries in many cases.
The bosses are repetitive in appearance, predictable in behavior, and ultimately disappointing:
Almost all of their appearances can basically be described as spindly limbs, hair, and/or blood. Many adopt the same beast-like stance, attack patterns, and weakness to fire/bolt paper or parrying.
Almost all of their behaviors can be described as a windup followed by a period of aggressive slashing, so fights are as retardedly simple as dodging forward diagonally during this windup and attacking until out of stamina as they wail away facing away from you.
And that's only IF you haven't found out that half the bosses are even easier to kill than that with oil and molotovs.
And even that's only IF you haven't figured out that most of the time you can summon MULTIPLE coop npc's to basically kill the bosses for you while you run around with your dick in your hand listening to the boss theme (luckily the soundtrack is one of the redeeming aspects of the game).
>BB is not part of the same series as DeS and DaS.
I've read this argument sometimes, and always thought it was shitposting, that no one could ever be this retarded. But I don't know anymore.
I want to keep believing it's shitposting and it's just an ebin memester.
>>322302919
i'm about to bust a fucking nut
what does it mean when we say that demon's souls and dark souls are in the same "series"? legally speaking, they are not and CANNOT be. dark souls is owned by namco bandai, demon's souls is owned by sony. bloodborne is owned by sony. the only argument THE ONLY argument that one can have for the idea that demon's souls and dark souls are the "same series" is that they both include souls in their title, but that's only through your own perception; they are different titles completely.
this is like saying system shock 2 is a bioshock game, paralleling demon's souls and dark souls. the former, however, has enough significant differences that no one really clumps them together, however, people instinctually clumped demon's souls and dark souls together, because they're very familiar games. bloodborne is just as familiar to demon's souls as demon's souls is to dark souls. i don't see how this is hard to understand.
>>322303220
>this is meaningless
So is your opinion.
>>322295534
nah, DS2 is better by a mile, and I played both games on the day of release. BB has slick combat and cool location/enemy designs, but no build variety, pvp is shit, covenants are non-existant, online hardly exists in general, and there's no replayability. Give me DS2, SOTFS or not any day of the week.
>>322303351
>no one clumps system shock and bioshock together
Alright this is bait
>caring about Dark Souls # [integer value incremented at an increasingly frequent pace]
FROM has turned souls into the new cod/assassins creed
expect them to milk the series dry while the games slowly devolve into utter casual shit that eventually in no way resembles what made dark souls so great
>inb4 "It's ok when FROM does it!"
>>322303269
I don't think this guy(s) is shitposting anon, I think some people are literally this dumb
>>322303497
right, except the difference is when FROM releases games back to back, theya re of high quality consistently. people who compare this to ASSCREED are dipshits.
I'm afraid to buy it because I've never played a Soul's game and I think I'll suck really bad :(
>>322289226
The single setting for this makes it feel so much more mundane than any of the souls games. It really get's boring after awhile.
>>322303269
Why do you think it is? Inform me. I'd genuinely like to know why people think they're part of a series somehow despite there being no evidence, implications, or references to it being such in development.
>>322303457
>pulling out a small piece of my argument
>misrepresenting it
>not realizing that even if it's not true, my argument still works
bravo, you've all wasted my time terrifically. okay then, bioshock and system shock 2 are in the same series of games, linked by their gameplay and similar team of designers. oh look! bloodborne is now a souls game.
>>322303697
It's not that hard dude. If you just be smart, learn from your mistakes, and act quick on your feet you can beat the game.
My eleven year old brother got to the final boss.
>>322303876
Because that's all I really read of that wall of text to be honest with you.
>>322301371
>Neogaf
into the trash
>>322302615
>Show me a source where the man who DID have something to do with the development of the game said it isn't.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/e3/news/a577373/bloodborne-not-connected-to-demons-souls/
>>322303613
>DS2
>high quality
it's already happening, don't delude yourself
>>322303269
he's being serious anon, just try not to look him in the eyes.. >>322303763
>>322303231
>which had too many
Nope, don't defend regression in complexity.
>it has 30+ weapons
It has the least number of weapons and most are still made useless by the best end-game weapons. There's simply less for you to choose from and it matters a lot less since you always play a fast DEX build due to the limitations of other equipment, movement, etc. you have a lot less room for diversity and customization, so even if the weapons are more unique the build plays largely the same.
>BB has 74 armor sets to DaS 56
Most of which do not affect your stats in as meaningful a way as they did in past games. The coats are are very similar in function, and your armor does not affect your mobility meaning your build moves around largely the same save for some of your weapon attacks. Combined with the more limited weapon selection, this makes your builds very limited and squanders some of the potential replay value.
>Objectively false
It's more linear, there are fewer alternate connections/routes and "hubs" like there were in DaS.
And then you have stuff like stamina consumption being scaled back, less cooldown on your attacks so it's harder for you to be punished, more iframes on rolls so again its harder for you to be punished, your ranged parry.stagger that allows you to essentially chainstun weaker enemies at a distance and the absolutely casual healing method that both allows you to just farm and stack items with no investment like kindling, use them while moving AND retaining mobility.
I think Dark Souls is still the best realized Souls game despite being unfinished. It has a great world, a great mythology, great atmosphere, solid gameplay, fucking gorgeous armor design, cool areas and bosses, and is memorable in every aspect. BB comes really close but DaS has more variety and is really impressively nonlinear.
>been playing solo for a while because no ps+
>co-oping no stop now
co-op is so much fucking fun
>>322303269
The greatest shitposts are the ones that are made by people that actually believe them.
>>322303975
What exactly does one retarded Sonygger prove?
Neogaf has several consistently reliable leakers. People in the industry do use the site.
>>322304082
>get summoned for orphan of kos
>REEEEEEAAAAURGH
>host has died, returning to your world
>>322304018
you act as if this has any meaning. "Bloodborne not connected to Demon's Souls" is the same as saying "Dark Souls not connected to Demon's Souls"
here's an interesting tidbit: ""We were already thinking of a shift to a combat system where you would enter battle more actively than the sword and shield-based combat of Demon's."
also this is the last time i'm responding to anything stupid in this thread. i'll just focus on my bloodborne invasions i've been doing.
>>322304035
>letting people on this board convince you DS2 is half as bad as they say it is
I wonder how many years it will be before this stops
I've only play DeS, is DaS that much better ?
>>322303975
Neogag is where the original leak came from, r-tard. The same leak that almost everyone on /v/ denounced as "false"
>>322304224
wew lad
>>322303269
It's really incredible. it would be one thing if it was just DaS 1-3 and then BB, but DeS exists too. If BB isn't in the same series as DaS, then DeS isn't either.
>>322304262
>"Bloodborne not connected to Demon's Souls" is the same as saying "Dark Souls not connected to Demon's Souls"
Right, but the difference is that one of those things was never said, therefore making it untrue.
>>322289226
Yes, if you own a PS4. I wouldn't buy one just for BB, but that's just me. A lot of people buy consoles just for one game, so who knows.
>>322304224
>People in the industry do use the site.
Most of them dropped the site a loooong time ago. NeoGaf is a shithole just like /v/. But they're even funnier because they think they have some place above anyone else in the industry just because some leaks were posted there before anywhere else, which has happened on /v/ too. But no one on /v/ sees themselves as an "industry insider" or gets butthurt when /v/ mods don't get invited to E3.
/v/ also doesn't defend ACTUAL, LITERAL, REAL LIFE PEDOPHILIA.
>>322304315
I don't like the site any more than you do.
>>322304315
>>322303975
How are these posts any different from what we see here?
>>322304268
I find DaS, BB, and DeS to be all almost equal but DaS is my favorite. I think it has way better bosses, the world is way more interesting to explore, and the equipment options blow DeS out of the fucking water. DaS has better gameplay and much more variety in general.
DeS has a very special mystique and atmosphere to it, but DaS is a better game I think. Don't listen to any fanatics, anyone with sense knows that the only game far below any of the others is DaS II.
>>322289226
It's a fantastic game. It may be the game that gets you to pull the trigger but there are still other great games for the system, I've got like 15 PS4 games and 3 or 4 that I still play regularly.
>>322304537
Neogaf doesn't get the benifit of the doubt that everyone is just ironically baiting for the lulz.
>>322304305
>r-tard
Just say retard, you fucking retard.
>>322304783
Fuck you rtard
>>322304840
triggered
>>322304675
>I've got like 15 PS4 games and 3 or 4 that I still play regularly.
The saddest part about this is that the idea of only playing 3-4 of the 15 games you own regularly is not laughable.
That's sad dude, and really telling of the quality of the games on PS4 (and western games in general) if so few manage to hold your attention for longer than a single playthrough.
>>322304041
>>322303514
>>322304142
>>322304323
And I'm retarded enough to answer to an obvious retard and/or rusemaster. I'll do this once and go play some BB.
>>322303763
If your argument is "they don't have the same name!", then we're done and I don't care.
>No evidence, implications, or references
m8
Same studio, with 3 out of 4 games by the same director.
Same mechanics with very little variation to the point that you might as well be playing the same, mechanically.
Same style of interaction with NPCs. Shit, they even reuse Patches, not that it matters.
Same combat, some of the games have more weapons, some have more combos. The only truly new thing I've ever seen in the combat are the guns in BB, trick weapons are nice and all, tons of combos and cool transformations, but still mechanically the same as the rest of the games.
Same way to convey their story and lore.
Same platforming, with it being adjusted here and there.
Same death penalties.
Same checkpoint system.
Same autosave system, no reloading.
Same coop and PvP system, with some variation in how to access it.
Same RPG mechanics, attribute wise.
Same equipment system. Some have a bit more or a bit less slots, but same idea.
Same upgrade system, with only DaS2 having a bit of a variation with how elemental weapons work, and BB using the gems for extra damage and elements, but still keeping the "minerals" upgrade like the rest of the games.
I could probably keep going but I already feel stupid enough for answering. Props to you anon, you triggered my autism enough to make me waste some minutes of my time. Mission completed.
>>322295243
>Got Bloodborne for 20 bucks new from a FUCKING GAMESTOP saleI already had the PS4 because I have good taste.
>>322304675
>I've got like 15 PS4 games
What games? I'd really like to hear this.
>>322304514
Yeah, their stance on pedophilia is mind-blowing.
>it's okay if you fuck little girls, that's just who you are, you can't help it
>BUT DON'T TOUCH THE LOLIS YOU FREAK
It makes me angry and confused.
>>322305042
I would too. I think I have ten and most are shit I could have gotten for PS3 anyway.
>>322304976
anon, did you think that we were arguing it isn't a souls game, because if so, you should probably reading comprehension first.
>>322304976
>Same studio
Are you retarded? that doesn't mean they're the same series at all
>Same mechanics with very little variation to the point that you might as well be playing the same, mechanically.
There was a link posted earlier ITT where Miyazaki discussed the reasoning behind the similar mechanics and how they do not imply that the games are related.
>Same style of interaction with NPCs. Shit, they even reuse Patches, not that it matters.
See above. Again, this does not prove at all that they are in the same series.
So I skimmed the rest of your post and realize that you just went through similarities of the games, which was not at all what I had asked so I'm not going to bother going through each individual post. Already, you're wrong.
>>322304908
How many Steam games do you actually regularly play? Naturally I come back to the old ones after some time has passed.
>>322305270
>post
point
>>322297868
>But you play video games in 2016, you should already have one.
>Unless you're too young/poor to buy your own stuff?
Buying a console for 1 game + hyped up titles that haven't released doesn't make one poor or young or casual.
>>322297436
Sauce please I wouldn't ask if I didn't reverse search but there's nothing
>>322305042
me too, I have a PS4 and all I have is Bloodborne, Just Cause 3, and Transformers Devastation.
>>322305338
What is it with consolefriends who think PC=Steam and that's it? A lot of people treat "PC" as an identifiable, unified platform not unlike "PlayStation" or "Xbox" when that really isn't the case at all.
>>322305042
>>322305174
I don't get it, why do you come in to threads about things you don't like to shitpost? How can you be smug when this is what you do with the time where you could be playing your hundreds of awesome PC games.
>>322305039
If you had good taste you would have already owend Bloodbourne before waiting for it to go on sale. It's -the- PS4's flagship title.
>>322289226
very yes
>>322301503
>BB lacks replay value and diversity
Factually incorrect after the DLC.
>and the PVP is shit
It has the most balanced PVP in the series, and the best mechanics, not to mention more than double the movesets on every weapon which adds more variety to the combat.
>>322305703
You didnt answer my question.
>>322305338
>How many Steam games do you actually regularly play?
Of the two I purchased of my own volition, one, Civ 5. I also bought L4D2 because my friends play it but I have yet to install it.
I have maybe 12 games on Steam, all but the above two were gifted to me by friends and most I do not have installed.
>>322305671
For whatever reason, I see a lot of people that only play consoles thinking that PC = Steam.
>>322305792
I think the problem is that there isn't much playroom for builds compared to the other games. It has plenty of replayablity to be sure, just not as much as the other games.
>>322305792
>Factually incorrect after the DLC.
So equip load and poise are back?
>>322305792
Here's your reply.
>>322305792
PVP is limited to like two areas, and is gated until later in the game. It's fucking shit compared to how DaS handled it.
The DLC did not change the core mechanics, just added more weapons and stuff. You still have a fast DEX build no matter what, build diversity is still very lacking.
>>322289226
I got it 2 weeks ago and it's all I can think about. Jesus Christ is it good.
The Lore is so ripped right out of Lovecraft in the best possible way, the gameplay is clearly Souls but actual strategy and momentum are dramatically different, and the world is filled with too much detail.
You know what this game has, Passion. This feels like the Lovecraftian ARPG Miyazaki has always wanted to make.
Its better than DaS2 by a long shot, better than DaS and is on par with DeS for me.
>>322289603
Its pretty effortlessly better than any of the Dark Souls games. Its got the polish, content and detail that Dark Souls sorely lacked, and the lore is better. The only debate is if it's better than Demon's Souls.
>>322305892
Why do I need to? If what you're getting at is whether or not I count third party titles as a reason to own a system then the answer is yes, I do. I don't know why you're acting like a cheeky little cunt when PC is literally all third party titles. When was the last time anyone made anything worthwhile that can't also be found on a console?
>>322306323
>better than DaS
Proof that people WANT dumbed-down, streamlined games, I guess.
BB is good, but it's a step back in so many areas that aren't related to the visuals.
>>322306438
>Its got the polish, content and detail that Dark Souls sorely lacked
Maybe on OPPOSITE DAY!
Is shitposting about bloodborne really that fun? What do you guys do outside of that?
>>322289226
Its Devil May Cry x Dark Souls, its easily GOTY.
>>322306298
i don't get where this idea about build diversity being a thing in dark souls. as if people don't gravitate to the same few builds in EVERY iteration of the game. dark souls 2 may have a lot of weapons, but most of them are shit and aren't fun to use and get replaced by slight better forms of it. bloodborne cut out poise and equip load because it didn't fit into the world they were making. i admit the game suffers from minimalistic tendencies, but the DLC did a lot right by adding in a few very unique weapons.
>>322306592
I don't really see many anons here shitposting about Bloodbourne. Most of the shitposting ITT is typical console warrior faggotry.
>>322305996
Not him, but you're truly retarded. I was the guy that figured out the Poise BPs back in the day, and let me tell you, it was the worst mechanic in the series.
First of all it gave Dark Souls 1 strictly worse gameplay in PvP and PvE due to how badly it trivialized both. You just ignored shit and BSed targets with impunity.
Also, it adds fuck all for builds. You stack it as high as possible while maintaining top roll/flip speed. The choice you're granted is an illusion unless you want your build to be snowflake garbage.
>>322289226
If you already own a PS4 then yes, it's definitely worth it
>>322305042
>>322305892
I'm not that guy. But I'll answer your question for him.
Bloodborne (obviously)
DOA5LR
EDF 4.1
Disgaea 5
Omega Quintet
SAO -HF-
SAO Lost Song
Type-0 HD / Episode Duscae
FFX/X-2
TLoU
Uncharted Collection
N++
Rocket League
So that's 13. I guess you could count PT and say 13.5
>>322306664
>i don't get where this idea about build diversity being a thing in dark souls
Well, then you're simply misinformed. Git gudder information.
>>322305996
>actually liking equip load and poise
Equip load was literally a [NOFUNALLOWED] mechanic put in there to stop Havelshitter from fast rolling, which didn't even work for the first year before they patched it since everyone just equipped Havel's ring with 40END to ninja flip in Havelmoms.
Poise is the dumbest, most laughably poorly implemented mechanic the series has ever seen, it was quite literally a worse implementation that Soul Memory. Poise should never be an armour statistic, it should be based on weapon class (i.e STR weapons should have by standard more poise/hyper armour than DEX weapons, and the faster the weapon the less poise you have whilst using it).
Putting poise onto armour in DaS was hilariously broken, anyone with above 40 could easily tank even greatsword hits, it made PvE easy as shit, and PvP boring as fuck watching 2 Giantdads R1 spam each other with Zwei's until one's poise managed to break after 3 2H Zwei hits.
Laughable.
>>322306730
>Sword Art Online
>Omega Quintet
wew
>>322306704
Don't forget, any actual criticism of the game is shitposting, so there's lots of it.
>>322306730
don't forget that capcom souls + devil may cry or some action game hybrid. that looks pretty fun.
>>322306460
>I don't know why you're acting like a cheeky little cunt
I don't know why you're so upset.
All he did was ask for your 15 PS4 games, and you started shitposting about PC and crying about being smug while posting Undertale for no reason.
Without the DLC its a pretty alright game. With the DLC its fucking amazing. Especially if you play in a world of strength since most of the strength weapons in the DLC don't require alot of progression so you can go snap them early on.
The Saif is honestly the weirdest weapon i've ever used in a game. I feel like alot of it is just autopiloting on R1 but having a auto dash feels weird and the backdashing and forward dashing during transform combos are strange as fuck.
>>322306750
>We didn't need that anyway, we're better off without it!
Typical marketer technique, don't address the actual problem but rather deflect and talk about how it wasn't needed/good in the first place.
Fix what's broken, don't chuck it out the window and slap coats on every character instead.
>>322306894
Amazingly, the SAO games are actually good. I haven't gotten around to OQ yet but it was on sale for like $10 so I figured fuck it why not.
Also the SAO games let me princess carry Asuna making them instant 10/10 GOAT material to anyone with taste.
>>322291971
I'll give you the PVP and Chalice Dungeons, but the rest of your complaints are either petty or tell me you're bad at the game.
