>hurrr dark souls 2 is such a hard game!!1
For such a hard game why is it that the only thing I have to worry about is getting invaded and falling off ledges? The only way to actually die by enemies in this game is if you're fucking stupid. Sure there are a few hard bosses, but all of them have at least one way to cheese the fuck out of them. If a part is 'too hard' and I need to 'git gud' for it I can just load up with 999 arrows and have a field day. The hardest part about this game is not wanting to noose yourself from the tedious repetition of walking on egg shells.
Literally no one thinks DS2 is hard.
>image
who the fuck would use pyromancies for a darkwraith cosplay
>>322280370
>literally everyone said it was when it came out
even now on the forums for it people complaion about it being hard as fuck dying to trash mobs and shit before they get to the boss
pff
>>322280074
I think games are only as hard as you make them out to be, You could go magic in pretty much any souls games and trivialize much of the challenge. That said i have a friend who went through his first playthrough of the game without a shield, base iframes and without summoning any help and that was quite the harrowing experience for him.
>>322280074
why is DaS2 so god damn ugly
>cheese
this meme has to stop.
the great thing of the souls games (except bloodborne, because it's rigid in its design) is that there are multiple ways to tackle bosses. if it means rushing along, blocking and waiting patiently, chucking lightning spears, or hiding in the corner shooting arrows, it is all a testament of how much choice there is in the game.
>>322281421
and DS1 isn't?
>green and grey everywhere
>super generic fire, ice and forest areas
the game is bland and ugly as fuck
>>322280370
Really? One of the most common criticisms I see on DaS2 is the increased difficulty due to enemy placement, retarded hitboxes, and tracking.
vanilla was stupid as fuck because of the sheer amount of enemies. you would fight 5+ at a time and the types of enemies were seemingly random for the areas you were in. add shit tons of poise and infinite stamina and you got yourself a poorly designed $60 pain in the ass.
the durability bug and enemies being tied to the FPS made the game more difficult than it was intended as well.
>>322281535
Or every other action rpg.
>>322281551
are you blind? look at this picture >>322280074 and say that again
>>322282005
This right here. The bum fuck retarded level design and enemy placement is what makes the game a challenge.
Damn your HP is high
>>322281551
DaS2 has better texture work but it also looks super flat with the neutered lighting, and the areas are super generic. The graphics are technically much more proficient but there's a lack of interesting / unique visual flair to it.
DaS has really interesting art direction, but I won't disagree the in game realisations of a lot of areas (Lost Izalith, Blighttown with its shitty filter) leave a lot to be desired as well.
The only thing hard about dark souls 2 are the cheap deaths that occur because you could not predict something happening.
>you can see the giant mole rat through the holes in the top of the door and guess what happens
>no indication whatsoever of the second giant molerat
coupled with stupid mechanics and design
>every enemy and boss does so much more damage in the second game, almost everything past a certain point will one shot you if you didn't invest in vitality
>almost every enemy is found in a group, and pulls as a group
>huge enemies have perfect tracking on their attacks and turn on a dime
>iframes tied to a stat
>>322282005
>Hurrrrr bad enemy placement
>Hurr what is anor londo bridge
>Hurrr what is lost izalith
>Hurr what is the crystal caves
>Hurr what is the depths
>Tracking
>Hurrr what is circlestrafe
>>322280074
The game is hard if you do not know what you are doing. The game is easier if you understand when to evade and how to perform critical hits. Still a fun, playable game in my opinion-- all soul games are fun.
>>322282741
Fucking ADP is the worst idea for a stat ever. I can't believe they tried to fix a useless stat by replacing it with one you're basically required to put ~10 points in regardless of your build when tying iframes to character weight made so much more sense.
>>322282741
and the hitboxes, especially on things like grabs are absolutely retarded
>mole rat does his grab
>dodge out of the way
>his elbow brushes my arm
>get sucked into its arms
>stand behind mimic
>poke it
>it lunges forward
>pulls me into its mouth from behind
You also can't escape grab attacks early by mashing l1 and r1 like you could in DS1
>>322280074
It's not hard unless you have short term memory problems. From software titles are route memorization games that are currently being hyped to hell and back to save the PS4 which should tell you a lot about developer opinon towards the PS4 when you can only get one shitty semi-indie jap studio on your team.
>>322280074
>DaS character has shadow
>DaS2 character doesn't have one
What gives? Is this why DaS runs like shit in general compared to DaS2?
>>322283103
Souls has always had a bad time with grab hitboxes.
>>322283467
>get grabbed in a bullshit way
>get tossed off the edge
lmfao
>>322282968
Anor Londo's archers force you to be cautious when approaching, and you can deal with them individually in close quarters or at range. How is this not an improvement over the archers in fucking Iron Keep which will aggro along with several Alonne knights at once?
The enemies in Lost Izalith can (and should) be avoided entirely, they don't respawn and also deal damage to each other.
I don't know what you're referring to in the Crystal Cave, the worst thing about that area is the sloped platforms that you can slip off. The clams at the end can be pulled one by one, if that's what you mean.
I don't know what you're talking about in the Depths either. The groups of rats that won't even attack you until you kill some of their friends? Basilisks who can't even kill you aside from their AoE that takes about a minute of exposure to die from?
Also, enemies in DaS2 track the player while they're circlestrafing. You can still avoid them by continuing to strafe but the tracking on their attacks makes them harder to punish for no reason and looks fucking ridiculous.
>>322283467
DaS2 has almost uniformly bad hitboxes on grabs and attacks. There are a lot fewer bad examples in DaS because they don't rely on grab attacks as much and because most of the bosses have much better hitboxes, aside from the Iron Golem's grab, the Centipede Demon, and Ornstein being able to poke you through Smough sometimes.
Which Soul's game had your favorite boss design?
>>322283467
It's a feature
>>322284376
Demon's.
>>322284376
Demon's Souls, Monk boss and Storm King were the best thing ever and i'm sad they didn't become a staple.
>>322282005
>increased difficulty
Be careful how you use the "d" word.
>>322280074
It's not hard
It's just artificial difficulty
>>322284861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-rNVnrFQDg
>that music
>>322284984
DaS2 kind of had a twist on the Old Monk by having the Looking Glass Knight summon players, but it's not as interesting as the player actually controlling the boss character.
>>322284376
Demon's, almost all the bosses were unique to fight in some way.
>>322284984
The old monk was awesome.
I actually really liked the Old Hero as well. Most of world 4 was great for bosses, minus that big fat fuck at the start.
>>322285798
>Phalanx
A bunch of slimes protecting the boss's core
>Tower Knight
A huge knight which you have to chop his legs to make him fall to chop his head
>Penetrator
kind of generic fight
>False King Allant
kind of generic fight but at least he is fun to fight
>Adjucator
tower knight but he has an open wound instead, there's also the platforms collapsing
>Old Hero
a blind guy who reacts to your movement
>Storm King
a huge flying thing that can only be killed with a special sword
>Fool's Idol
summons many images of the boss and can only be beaten if you kill the guy up above
>Maneaters
2v1
>Old Monk
pvp boss
>Leechmonger
get covered in leeches and have to back off and let them drop off or keep fighting and get slower and more leeched up
>Dirty Colossus
covers you with flies that you have to burn off
>Maiden Astraea
kill the knight protecting her or try and bumrush her through the plague babby swamp
>armor spider
have to fight him in the tunnel and avoid getting covered in web
>flamelurker
kind of generic, but he gets more aggressive the closer to death he gets
>dragon god
puzzle boss
>>322284087
>DaS2 has almost uniformly bad hitboxes on grabs and attacks.
Nope, just grabs.
Even BB isn't immune to it. Quality From coding is a feature these days.
>>322286825
Umm cool, so like what are you doing? Showing off that you've beaten Demon's Souls? Good for you lmao
>>322287173
>lmao
Reddit is the other way, kiddo.
>>322283275
The DaS2 picture is taken with shitty graphics settings
>>322287269
Lol ok grandpa. Let go of the past you know what I'm saying? Play some Bloodborn not that old ass game lol.
>>322280074
>carrying that many souls at once
LEVEL UP
>>322280074
People don't dislike DaS2 because it's hard. People dislike it because it's shit. It's a complete disappointment when compared to DaS.
>>322280074
>>322280370
>implying twin pursuers on ng1 isnt hard.
>>322287482
Only scrubs level up.
>tfw lost a million souls once in a SL1 playthrough
>>322287678
There's no twin pursuers on NG.
>>322287123
I was referring to PvE more than PvP. PvE hitboxes are stacked against the player whereas player hitboxes are usually fairer because of the PvP focus, although some weapons are an exception to that too. You can't tell me it's only grabs though, when Ornstein and the Smelter Demon clearly have oversized hitboxes on their regular attacks.
>>322287901
PvE hit boxes are fine, no worse than DaS really. Souls in general has really good hitboxes except for grabs.
>>322288061
>some hitboxes works like they should so that means there is no problem
ok
>>322284376
Bloodborne obv
>>322288061
Cherrypicking examples of decent hitboxes doesn't mean that there aren't some enemies and bosses with wildly inaccurate ones. Not everything in the game has that problem by any means, but I think it's more of an issue than in DaS.
Tangential, but I never understood what was going on with that enemy. It's the only kind in the game that seems to be able to attack continuously. Most enemies seem to be governed by the stamina system on some level, it just looks really odd to see it launch another combo right after finishing one.
>>322280074
Why does Dark Souls look better than Dark Souls 2? How did they fuck up?
>>322289297
They both look shit. Bloodborne's where it's at.
>>322288595
>>322288840
I never said there are no problems.
In fact, I said that it's about the same as DaS with good and bad examples. Feel free to prove me wrong, or we can leave the discussion here if you can't.
Brume tower.this game is a piece of dogshit
>>322289456
Proving you wrong would require more evidence than I've got, which is just my experience playing both games. I feel I've been caught on shitty hitboxes more in 2 than the original, but it's all anecdotal. It's totally possible that you're right.
>>322289901
Well that's what I'm saying. This whole
>hurr DaS2 is shit hitboxes SUCK compoared to DaS durr
Is pretty subjective. For every example of a shitty DaS2 hitbox you find, I can do the same for DaS or BB.
Stick to quantifiable arguments for why DaS2 suckslike ADP.
>>322290179
Or how the boss designs are fucking trash. God I hope 3 has better designs.
>>322290179
Well, how ADP tied to i-frames (and not knowing this) is the main reason people complain about hitboxes in DaS2,
>>322291246
There's definitely a lot of overlap.
Unfortunately, there is such a simple fix for it but it's been 4 fucking games and From still won't do it. Either they're incompetent as fuck or they don't care.
