...is this the biggest letdown of 2015?
>>322277240
This.
Shit characters, shit story, Sticker Star influence, no TTYD characters, the list goes on.
>>322277497
>Shit characters
Stopped reading. Characterization is better than it's ever been.
>>322277240
It's not even the biggest letdown on a Nintendo system. Thanks, Xenoblade.
>>322277240
if its better than dream team ill be happy.
>>322278676
No it hasn't
>>322278791
Xenoblade is awesome and Shulk is hot
>>322278889
Even Dream Team was better.
>>322277240
It's not a letdown at all, it's great.
>>322279056
Shulk is in X?
>>322279056
Xenoblade Chronicles X, you donut.
>>322279056
He's probably talking about xenoblade's retarded sequel.
>>322279119
His voice is.
>>322279095
Lies lies lies and more lies. PJ is objectively shit.
>>322279228
No, it's a great game. Best gameplay, areas, field abilities, combat system and bosses in the series. Lots of optional stuff to do, no tutorials, almost no backtracking at any point and some of the best writing in Mario & Luigi. They made goddamn Bowser Junior genuinely compelling.
>>322279502
Get you freaking stinky butt.
>>322277240
I thought it was alright and I haven't played it
>>322279609
Pardon, what?
>>322279056
>Even Dream Team was better.
The only thing previous Mario & Luigi games had with dialogue is quantity. PiT, BiS and Dream Team were trying to hard to be funny and trying to have hundreds of wacky crazy NPC all be funny 100% of the time it actually sort of got annoying/grating.
Paper Jam Bros writing is a lot higher quality overall and the humour hits stronger in my opinion. Probably due to the reduced number of characters and thankfully no "humour" that revolves around a character having a weird accents.
>>322279763
I meant to say get out you flippin' stinky butt.
>>322279502
>best areas
Bullshit.
>>322277240
Haven't cleared it yet, but I'm not liking how the game stops every now and then to make me do Paper Toad collecting mini-games and the paper craft battles suck.
Bosses are cool, though some of their attack patterns drag on way too long. It felt like Wiggler gets around 10 attacks before you can do anything.
>>322280216
In terms of design, they are. Smartly connected, sprawling but not humongous like DT's, the paper terrain that gets added at various points throughout the game makes them different on repeated visits. They're just more visually generic compared to some from previous games.
The expert challenges are annoying as fuck, otherwise game is pretty good
>>322280735
>"Avoid five attacks from Paper Sombrero Guy in a row."
>>322280515
I'd agree they were very smartly designed to make them fun and not tedious to go through while not being tiny. It helps the bonus content(missions) mostly show up in Lakiitu huts, in the several Toad Towns or on the main path(Nabbit) that just take you to another area. This means the exploration is rewarded by actual item blocks, as opposed to extra 2D dungeon(s) to slog through(BiS and DTs) while exploring an area.
What the other games areas have over Paper Jam Bros are largely superficial qualities like visuals as you mentioned.
>>322281249
Let me add the fact that they accomodate running well. I never want to play a Mario & Luigi game without running, it's awesome.
>>322277240
If anything it's better than what was expected since everyone expected the worst because muh sticker star.
>>322279168
>>322279223
X was one of the best games this year, It is probably the best atmospheric open world game to date. It only really suffers from some weak gathering quests
>>322278791
>It's not even the biggest letdown on a Nintendo system. Thanks, Xenoblade.
don't you mean Hashtag FE?
>>322277240
yes
No way I am playing this now and it is great. Cool new characters and moves and the card system is nice. The areas feel a lot better too because there isn't stupid boring fetch quests like DT and they are instead easy minigames. Plus the Paper stuff falling in them makes them different when you revisit them.Most people complaining only hater because it isn't a Paper Mario game.
Definitely my favourite, plus Paper Peach X Peach is hot.
>>322277497
>no TTYD characters
This isn't a paper mario game
>>322277240
>the biggest letdown of 2015
No, that would be MGSV.
Paper Jam is pretty bad, though.
>>322283027
In all fairness, it doesn't really have M&L characters either.
It does a great job with the main cast anyway, so whatever.
>>322281748
Have you even played the damn game or are you just shitposting because of sales?
>>322283194
It gave my bros King Boo and King Bob-omb awesome boss battles, I'm fine with having them over original characters this one time.
>>322279502
Definitely doesn't have the best areas
>>322283194
But it did away with the old M&L characters to introduce new ones. It was nice seeing new characters. I am just glad Starlow was still here, but it is a shame that she didn't get mad when you don't listen to her tutorials, it was hot when she got mad
>REMIREZ CAPTURE THOSE TOADS: The Game
Fucking hate fetch quests and this is the epitome of everything wrong with them.
>>322283687
>He prefered scourer the map for pointless items in pointless places in Dream Team
These minigames are so much better then what dream team gave us
>>322282564
>there isn't stupid boring fetch quests
>>322283194
It does a really great job with the main cast.
Nabbit is great and I loved when he joined your party for some battles.
>>322283554
I explained what I meant in more detail here: >>322280515
>>322279502
>Best gameplay
It's the same as the others
> areas
literally NSMB generic areas
>no backtracking
bullshit
> Lots of optional stuff to do
also bullshit
>best writing in Mario & Luigi
It's the most lazy.
It's still a decent game, but far from the others.
Music were top tier tho, Yoko is a godess.
>mfw this music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXuiaBmEsCY
>>322284228
>It's the same as the others
Enemy patterns and special attacks get more and more creative as the series goes on.
RPG 6 has to be wario and waluigi right?
I mean all recurring characters have a focus game. Mario got PJ Luigi ST Bowser BiS. Unless a peach focus is coming?
So the only good Mario rpgs are TYD and BiS right?
>>322284889
I can definitely see Peach before Wario and Waluigi.
Hell, I can see Solo Wario before Wario and Waluigi.
>>322284919
There's not a single bad Mario RPG except maybe Sticker Star, which isn't even completely awful, just not that good.
>>322284228
>It's the same as the others
Plus running, minus boring 2D segments from BIS and DT.
>literally NSMB generic areas
Visuals aren't everything.
>bullshit
Nice omission of 'almost'. You only backtrack through a couple screens of Doop Doop Dunes and around half of Twinsy Tropics. Only game with less backtracking is PiT because it's short as fuck.
>also bullshit
Four collection sidequests, card collection, 70 Lakitu Centre minigames, Expert Challenges that include Boss Ring, Papercraft Boss Ring and Attackathon. You tell me what the previous games have that comes anywhere near this one.
>It's the most lazy.
This one is entirely up to opinions. I think the characterization of every character was a lot funnier and less one-note than the original characters in previous games.
>>322285080
*addendum: forgot a point where you backtrack through like the first three screens of Sunbeam Plains to get to Gloomy Woods. Whatever.
>>322283234
>or are you just shitposting because of sales?
no. It's because the game is total shit.
The game flopping sales wise is icing on the cake
>>322285029
>There's not a single bad Mario RPG
Super Paper Mario
>>322285373
OK you got me there, though it's barely an RPG.
Even then, like sticker star, it's not absolutely terrible. The gameplay is serviceable at best, but the writing and music are great.
>>322285373
SPM is good game and you can go fuck yourself
>>322277240
I honestly hated the fetch quests. I nearly stopped playing my copy after the third quest.
Otherwise I think it's a pretty damn good game.
>>322285565
This.
The gameplay had some problem, but the writing and the characterization was the best a mario game ever had.
>>322285905
I wish the good characterization wasn't wasted on the shittiest character designs ever produced by man.
>>322286084
I liked them.
O'Chunks, Mimi, Nastasia and Dimentio were good.
>>322286084
Luigi isn't that bad anon
>>322286337
There's a point where 'simple' becomes 'too simple' in my opinion. It applied to the entire character design philosophy of the game, not to mention that it just looked 2D, not like paper. There were some nice touches like Mimi's head containing gears when flipping into 3D, but a green square with stick spider legs doesn't make for good character design otherwise.
When does it release stateside?
>>322286989
>When does it release stateside?
January 22nd.
The only problem is that it doesn't have a hard mode
>>322277240
>modern Nintendo
What did you expect? Them to actually make a proper Mario RPG with brilliant writing and excellent gameplay that they used to with TTYD and the earlier Mario & Luigi games?
Everything Nintendo has made since 2006 has been literal cancer. This is to be expected.
>>322287292
Yeah, that's a little disappointing. Why take it out when Dream Team had it? Heck, since they got hands-off with the tutorials, they could've even included it from the start for seasoned Mario & Luigi players.
>>322287406
>cut-off is 2006
>earlier Mario & Luigi games thus includes Superstar Saga and Partners in Time
>any later Mario & Luigi game, Paper Jam included, being worse than Partners in Time in either writing or gameplay
>>322287065
Thanks, can't wait.
