Whats the worse Doom level ever and why is it Downtown? Seriously this map is a fucking mess. I dont think this even qualifies as level design
reminder duke nukem 3d was better in every way
>>322100790
Ok? It also came out several years later. You do realize that without doom, duke3d would have never existed? They're both near perfect games anyways
>>322100671
I see and appreciate where they were going with some of these more "realistic" levels
...but yeah this was horrible
>>322100790
Also duke3d relies way more on hitscan enemies as well as having more hit and miss levels. Almost every level in doom 1 is a jewl
>>322101142
It might have been cool back then but today its bad. I prefer the levels that dont resemble actual places but still make sense in terms of level design. Today this doesnt work as a level nor does even slightly resemble a downtown.
>>322100671
Anything in Doom 2, really. I can't even pick the worst, they're all fucking terrible, monster closets and teleports galore.
>>322101528
Most Doom 2 levels were shit, but there's a few that stand out as better than anything in Doom 1. Its really sad to, it was a waste of all the new enemy types and the super shotty (aka best weapon in an fps ever)
yeah a lot of doom 2's levels kinda suck, you can kinda see what they were going for but the build engine games did a much better job of creating a believable "realistic" enviroment
doom 2 was also for experienced players who had already played doom 1, same deal as final doom
>>322100671
It's Downtown. Because a game that doesn't even allow you to aim up or down natively shouldn't have a focus on verticality. And big, empty areas are the antithesis of Doom.
>>322101528
Doom 2 both had the best and worst levels of the two. Really, the first 11 are pretty much all fantastic, and then it goes to shit.
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Barrels O'Fun always broke the immersion for me. It felt like I was in a silly platformer suddenly.
>>322101660
I can name a few decent levels off the top of my head in Doom 2 (like, say, The Living End, that one was great) but they're forever marred by gimmicks, monster closets and "look at what our engine can do!" moments (i.e. Chasm).
In my opinion, Doom 2 is trying to be Serious Sam before Serious Sam invented Serious Sam. Also surprisingly even boring corridors of TFE make better levels.
>>322101860
Nah man, nah. It all goes to shit with The Crusher. It starts a series of "look at all the silly maps we can make!" and then it just spirals downward.
What fan maps/megawads do i should play? I'm getting tired of vanilla maps.
I played some total conversions (pirate doom!) and Monster hunter ltd . They arefun [/spoiler
I waited like 2 hours to say that downtown is definitively the worst doom level.
>>322101332
no, it looked like shit when it came out. it always did. it was confusing and weird.
>>322102052
>It all goes to shit with The Crusher
I really like The Crusher. The first 6 maps are all great, really. If anything the decline starts with 7 - Dead Simple, since it's less of a map and more of a shooting gallery, but even then 8-11 are still holding their own. It's once the city levels start at The Factory that it all goes to shit, in my opinion.
>>322102368
>not Nirvana
>not Barrels of Fun
>not Chasm
>not Bloodfalls
Doom 2 has plenty of levels that are above Doom 1's average.
>Focus
>Refueling base
>Crusher
>Industrial Zone
>Spirit World
>Living End
Also, fuck Serious Sam.
>>322100790
any cool DN mods you recommend? otherwise ill stick with my brutaldoom, guncaster and proyect msx.
>>322103435
>Also, fuck Serious Sam.
>>322100790
Doom > Blood > DN3D
>>322103819
Doom > FEAR > Halo > Unreal MP > Quake > Doom 3 > Serious Sam > Half-Life > Unreal SP > Borderlands 2 > Call of Duty: Black Ops > Half-Life 2
>>322103435
>newgrounds
i don't even
