Worst dark souls player in the world here (yes even worse than DSP)
I'm getting completely destroyed by this guy. Am I not supposed to fight him yet? That giant skeleton was a joke and now suddenly this.
>>322095160
I'm even parrying him and getting in hits when I stun him and it's still not working.
when he does his charge attack, dodge right. no, not even, you can literally walk to your right when he does it and you won't get hit. once you learn his moveset he becomes piss easy.
everything else is just basic rolling.
>>322095160
raise shield and strafe to his shield side and hit his back, stand at mid range to trigger a charge.
Do this 50 times.
>>322095360
>>322095359
Huh, I didn't think about baiting his charge and moving to the side. I only thought of parrying him.
>>322095507
The worst part is if I make even one mistake parrying or rolling, I'm dead. And I'm doing so little damage to him. Should I even be fighting him right now?
>>322095160
Did they change his chest plate?
>>322095768
Use a humanity to come back to life mate
>>322095160
level up your ADP and ATT to have toward 110 agility.
And he is optional ,if you kill him you skip a zone but for your first run you can come back later
>>322095936
If I fuck up, he'll just curse me again if I fuck up dodging his blue sword. It already happened once. I only have one left.
Already playing DaS2 ?
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>>322095994
Well looks like I'm far from being there yet.
So I guess I'll look for another way to go and come back to him.
Question though, you mentioned ADP. I was sort of forsaking that stat. Is it actually pretty crucial?
I don't know shit, I only just got SotFS on sale now and am finally playing it.
>>322095160
>Make sure you have less than 50% weight
>ALWAYS roll to his shield side, never roll into the sword
>Run away if his sword turns blue, dont try to dodge or parry
>Use a buckler to parry him if you want easymode
>Dont attack first, let him attack, dodge/parry, get a couple of hits without spending your entire stamina bar, walk away, repeat.
You can do it OP
>>322096141
Ah, no, I'm another guy not skeldep or whatever his/her name was.
Speaking of, how's that person doing? Did they git gud?
Use the ballista to 1 shot him retard
Use a weapon with thrust and just roll around all his attacks or you can try to parry him in front of a ballista then use the ballista while he's stunned from your parry.
How to win at any Souls game:
Observe the patterns of the boss with your shield up
Once you can predict what attack he's doing hit him in between attacks
Rolling in Dark Soul 2 is also stupid because you get practically no fucking invincibility frames unless you dump everything into ADP.
>>322096047
Read
>>322096323
Bait him on to come at you and than run around him using the ballistas
>>322096321
Last time I checked yersteday night he was getting killed in Blighttown.
>>322096275
Like I said, I don't know shit, is the buckler better than parrying?
>>322096323
>>322096347
Alright I'll try this.
>>322096349
>Rolling in Dark Soul 2 is also stupid because you get practically no fucking invincibility frames unless you dump everything into ADP.
Well shit I got too used to doing nothing but rolling in DAS1. Not to mention I picked a dual wielding swordsman to roll and parry. I'm probably just doing it horribly wrong.
>>322096250
Without agility you will have less invincibility frames on your rolls making your timing tighter.
A beginner can't afford that
>>322096250
>5 vit
>>322096507
USE
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Blunt damage affects him more, and you can shoot the little scorpion ballistas at him too if you have good timing.
>>322096507
If it makes you feel any better the pursuer is by far the hardest boss in the base game if you don't cheese him because you're too early on to break the game by upgrading your weapon much
Everything after I found easy as fuck
>>322096250
Your agility is too low ,that why you get hit.
>>322096579
I HIT HIM WITH THE BALLISTA
THEN PANICKED AND ROLLED THE WRONG WAY
Alright, I'm fiercely determined to cheese him and win now.
>>322096250
you need to get adp up to 25 so the game feels not broken.
>>322096579
>If it makes you feel any better the pursuer is by far the hardest boss in the base game if you don't cheese him
Nigga what? Pursuer is LITERALLY roll right, the boss. Unless your definition of cheesing him is waiting for him to attack, rolling, and then attacking a thousand times. Most disappointing fight in the game because he looked so damn cool. 2 at once is fucking hard though.
>>322096250
It's necessary to a point because it determines the stat that determines your I-frames when rolling.
But seriously just dodge towards him and conserve your stamina. Don't parry him unless you know how parry his attacks or you'll end up eating a good portion of his attacks.
>>322096656
Aw fuck I misplaced him for the parry/stun, ballista missed then he slashed through it killing me.
>>322096698
Will do.
>>322096579
>If it makes you feel any better the pursuer is by far the hardest boss in the base game if you don't cheese him because
Pretty much this. He is way harder than anything else that you meet at a more appropriate level.
The fun thing about the Souls games is that once you finish the game and do a new run you won't even get hit by pursuer and just shit on him the first time he shows up because you'll have learned to play.
dude just go to the tower of flames instead of trying to kill the pursuer... you don't even have +1 flask
shouldnt you have more than 1 flask too? also doing the tower will give you the ring that will put your health at 75% instead of 50% when hollow
get some vgr forget the adp noobs.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you based /v/.
Now to also take your advice about my stats. Thank you so much!
>>322097048
>shouldnt you have more than 1 flask too
There's one in Majula, but normally you won't find that without someone telling you.It's in the well, hit the rock.
>>322096980
In SoTFS you'll end up fighting him probably 6 or more times, most of those in the Bastille.
Ironic for OP whose having a shit time with him to get to an area with even more pursuers and even invaders and other mobs if he's unlucky.
>>322095160
You're doing him at a low level probably. Just be prepared to fight him for about 10 minutes. He's easy to dodge and he never pairs his combos. So just dodge his combo, hit twice, repeat
>>322097209
They're all optional though as far as I remember.
Get a strike damage weapon.
Congrats, you've trivialized the game. There's like 1 enemy that has strike resistance. Everything else gets wrecked by it. It's retarded.
>>322096507
Rolling is fine, it's just harder. Well, not really. Once you get a feel for your i frames it's easy to dodge shit.
Oh shit.
>>322097182
I'l look for that.
most bosses in ds2 are pretty shit pursuer is no exception
>>322095160
You got there. I can't get past the first Dark Knight. Dunno, it's just not a game for me then.
>>322097147
>half health
what the fuck
do some co op or use a human effigy ffs
>>322097654
kek
>>322097660
What dark knight?
>>322097660
Black Knight, that is.
>>322096507
Buckler is a small shield made for parrying, you should have found one by now
>>322097279
They're pretty dangerous at first when you don't expect them and pretty disappointing that they only do this in the bastille.
Also out of left field, but is there any way to get past the drake in Hiede's without a gyrm shield?
>>322095160
How can people be bad at this game?
It's all boils down to doge and attack because of the shitty game design.
It's almost like an on rail Assassin's Creed combat.
Stream this shit nigga
>>322097727
There are Black Knights? nigga what are you talking about
>>322097749
Take your clothes off and rush the fucker, you can reach the arena before he starts blasting. Or snipe him from below.
>>322097790
Sorry it's getting late. Maybe another day.
I guess I should raise my stats like this now?
>>322097797
The one down the stairs right after the 3/4 shield skeletons in the first area, where they throw fire bombs at you from above.
>>322097660
>dark knight
>first
wat
>>322097840
Yeah get ADP to at least 20, 25 is better
roll distance and stamina recovery is now a continuous spectrum based on weight limit. Stay under 50% at all costs.
>>322097840
Raise vit pretty soon or git nekkid.
>>322095160
Circle strafe left or roll left. This is how you win in Dark Souls. Sometimes things get crazy and you'll have to go right instead.
>>322097918
Will do. Thanks!
>>322097048
Now to look for that tower of flames.
>>322097870
Wait, you mean Dark Souls 1? That black knight is optional. Just don't attack him yet.
>>322097990
Oh, this is DS2? Well, I wouldn't know, since I never got further...
>>322097958
In this case, circling to the right is better. >>322097986
and like I said, use strike damage. slash damage is complete shit, thrust damage is okay if you use the Leo ring. Get a club or mace and upgrade it, it will outdamage every other non-strike weapon.
>>322097182
>>322097610
oops
>>322097797
He's talking about the Charred Knight in the Undead Burgh right before the Tauros Demon that guards the Blue Ring or whatever it is that's optional.
I killed him and there's just nothing post him but one of those trees that needs an item to do something. I think it gets you access to some door near the bonfire that also requires an item to open.
Fighting the Rotten right now, he's pretty simple but is so tanky you can't really afford to get hit ever because he takes so long. And that miasma copy attack is a bitch.
>>322098090
Not that hole. The well.
>>322098086
Oh I'm aware, I remember when I first played DaS1 years ago I used the Longsword upgraded until O&S, died twice, one was me fumbling through the menu not paying attention and the first was just learning the pattern.
Decided to go buy the club and upgrade it, beat the living shit out O&S like it was nothing, then I went and bought Ornstein's armor, good times.
>>322097870
Backstab him initially. Then run away, circlestrafe him and backstab him again. repeat.
>>322096250
if your good adaptability doesnt matter
adp is a stat for bad players to make dodging easier, so raise it if you feel you are bad
>>322098197
It's most egregious in Dark Souls 2. TO the point that other weapons are just shit.
>>322098190
Oh, hah.
>>322098086
Will look into a mace then. Is it worth it to buy it from blacksmith or will I find a good one soon/eventually?
>>322098127
The raven that takes you from the nest after Pursuer is the back entrance to the Lost Bastille. If you're fighting the Rotten right after Last Giant-Pursuer, then get out of there, you're terribly underleveled. Head to Heide's Tower through the little back entrance in Majula where all the Knight's and shit are.
>>322098204
>Backstab him initially.
I can't. Tried a hundred different positions and it never engages a backstab.
Would the Dark Souls games be better if bonfires were right in front of a few boss fights, so it wouldn't be such a hassle to try and learn boss moves?
>>322098398
Walk, don't run.
>>322098364
Just buy one, souls come easy later. also get a shield for now. Until you learn to dodge really effectively, you will get recked by mobs until you use a long range weapon or can stunlock enemies. Winged Spear is the only good thrust weapon for trash mobs, but rapier combined with Old Leo Ring can outDPS it.
>>322098284
I honestly don't even remember what I used in DaS2. Drakekeeper's Sword maybe? Fuck, who knows.
>>322098397
No, I'm saying I couldn't find anything there so I went through Heide's all the way to Lost Sinner, then down the pit all the way to Rotten, and still haven't progressed past FoFG.
>>322098398
you can't backstab immediately after blocking.
>>322098516
No, but they do need to make some runs a bit easier. Such as the second shortcut in Bloodborne in the Forbidden Woods. It honestly feels longer than just taking the shortcut from the lamp.
>>322098606
I can't stand it. Dark Souls 2 has this weird habit of having more instances where I will use loads of stamina to combo an enemy and they will have 1 HP left and reck me. It happens fucking CONSTANTLY. Like it's intentional. So I use weapons that hit the hardest to prevent that. Lighting and Dark are also good infusions.
>>322098617
There isn't anything past Pursuer, once you've done Lost Giant and Pursuer you're done with FoFG for now. The tree you come back to much later in the game, towards the end, and the only thing left to do there outside of that, is take the Raven to Lost Bastille. Which just makes the run to the boss shorter.
>>322098531
I did. No shield up, light attack button, all positions possible in that narrow alley, before he attacks.
>>322098639
Should be able to stab him while he's still got his back to me, standing inactive, no? Which doesn't seem to work.
>>322098746
I usually just mash attack honestly, it tends to work. I've never even bothered with parries, infusions, poisons, etc. outside of PvP.
>>322098873
just look up some backstab videos it's not that hard.
>>322098562
Alright I'll do that. It's 4 am, I'm out. Thanks for all the help guys. While cheesing pursuer like that may not have helped me git any gudder, I can only hope I'll take all your other tips to heart and well, git gud.
>>322098873
And you have them targeted? I dunno what to tell you. The 'field of backstab' is pretty damn big.
>>322098873
I'm with you, sometimes it would work for me and sometimes it wouldn't. Don't know why, only one in the game that does that, everyone else gets backstabbed just fine.
>>322098967
I know, I did. Just doesn't work. Maybe dsfix is fucking with it somehow?
>>322099006
Yeah, I do.
>>322098687
longest run in all the souls games I remember is the one to Bed of Chaos. And she's such a bullshit boss for first timers, it's bullshit the run is that long.
>>322099064
Can't be, DSfix fixes everything.
>>322099108
I try my hardest to forget Bed of Chaos was ever a thing.
>>322099064
If its that bad, you can always skip him?
so whats the general opinion on sorcery in DaS2? i know it was piss easy mode in DaS but it feels like DaS2 they made it harder by making almost any mistake punishable, which is usually casting or healing at the wrong times.
>>322098516
the only boss fight i've had trouble running to so far is executioners chariot. annoying boss fight on top of enemies along the way that can catch up to you and hit you out of the fog gate.
>>322099064
Just keep trying, you'll get the hang of it. Also since OPs gone, can you stream?
I love watching new das/bb players struggle and then learn and grow. It's pretty much the only streams I'll ever watch but these days everyone on twitch is a speedrunner or sl7 naked etc challenges.
>>322099294
It's a case of autistic fixation, where I've seen it done easily everywhere but in my run. Then I overdosed. Kind of made me think it shouldn't be skipped. No idea why.
I'll probably get to the game again someday soon, but for the moment, I'm occupied with other games.
Appreciate the help here, though.
>>322099407
Sorcery/Hexes suck. The damage is too shitty to justify being that vulnerable.
>>322099407
>enemies along the way that can catch up to you and hit you out of the fog gate.
That shit's the worst.
>>322098989
go get the ring of binding, its right outside the old dragonslayer's boss fog
it makes you lose only 25% of your health rather than 50%
>>322099490
You do get a chance for one of the most broken swords in the whole game if you do it. That's about it. Oh and I guess they permanently disappear and clear a way for you.
>Easy
Last Giant
Dragonrider
Old Dragonslayer
Flexile Sentry
Lost Sinner
Belfry Gargoyles
Skeleton Lords
Old Iron King
Najka
Royal Rat Authority
Magus and Congregation
Dragonriders
The Rotten
Guardian Dragon
Throne Defender and Throne Watcher
>Fair
Mytha
Duke's Dear Freja
Looking Glass Knight
Demon of Song
Velstadt
>Hard
Pursuer (first time)
Ruin Sentinels
Executioner's Chariot
Smelter Demon
>Fuck you
Mytha before figuring out how to get rid of the poison
Haven't done the DLC or beaten the game yet. Vendrick is a bitch without souls of a giant.
Are you playing Scholar? If so you're gonna enjoy it
>>322099628
Oh and Covetous Demon in easy, so easy I forgot it existed
Back in Dark Souls 1, Kellog's(r) fire sword was one of my favorite weapons. Are there anything like this in 2?
>>322098516
Nigger, taurus was the casual filter, and will always be
>>322099819
smelter sword i guess
>>322099446
>Also since OPs gone, can you stream?
For several reasons I won't be blogposting about here: Sorry, no.
I did have the idea to make a game channel with that kind of shtick, since I'm rather bad at games in general. Would wear itself out quick, though, probably.
>>322098516
>run to BoC
>run to Capra
>run to 4kids
>run to Nito
>run to Gwyn
i want to die
>>322100065
>mfw the run to Shadows of Yharnam
I didn't even die, but I actually went back in order to see how the fuck you even get back to the boss if YOU DO die.
That is a fucking ludicrous run back.
>>322100065
>run to gwynn
>fall off tiny little skinny landbridges while trying to evade a shitton of dark knights
>>322100065
There's that shortcutbto 4kings where you just take a little fall damage and pray the ghosts don't hit either out of the fog door or through it.
>>322098262
yeah, just like how having a lower equip load in DaS1 is for bad players, right?
>>322100957
DaS1 was different, you pretty much had to get naked and roll unless you pumped everything into vit and str and went full Havel's with a BKGS.
>>322098516
They wouldn't be better, necessarily. Just slightly easier. Being able to just ram your body into something until you "get it" or simply luck out and win isn't very intuitive game design in any case. Being able to just constantly throw yourself at it gives you less motivation to actually learn what your doing wrong and to learn the obstacle itself.
I never invested any points into AGI, is it really important? Did I make things much harder for myself?
>>322100957
Well the i-frames are still active at the very beginning of the roll, so if you remember the timing well enough you can consistently dodge hits.
>>322101191
It's just to wield certain weapons, it gives you iframes and increases how fast you use items as well but you need to pump a ton into it for that to even factor in iirc.
>>322101375
the active frames of some attacks make it so that you still take damage with low enough AGL
>>322100065
BoC is by far the worst one cause the run takes forever and hes a shitty boss that's easy to die to many times
>>322095160
Just summon a phantom and kill him with the ballistae
It takes two volleys to kill him. EZ peasy.
So agi statting is sort of like evasion+3 in monha, a crutch for bad players?
>>322101510
This.
Also all the firebreathing enemies along the way. And it's dark too in parts.
Just started playing DaS2
Holy shit what were they thinking with the HP that gets cut down a little more everytime you die?
Part of what made DaS so compelling was the fact that the player and only the player decided how punitive his death was by managing to reach or not his bloodstain to retrieve his souls.
This brilliant system managed to make deaths that felt super punitive, but that were really not most of the time. It was only pressure put on the player.
But in DaS2, it's straight up unavoidable punishment that can only be removed by using consumables available in a limited amount. A bad player (and I say bad but it's in fact the average player) will be stuck in a negative feedback loop and will die more and more.
I cannot for the life of me think of a reasonnable justification for this system to be added in.
>>322095160
Try using a shield, with low adaptability it's more reliable than rolling.
>>322098516
Everyone just ignores enemies on the run back, all you lose is time, there's no actual threat. Putting bonfires next to doors would probably be handier in that case.
>>322101108
No way dude, you can run through the whole game medium rolling shieldless. It's less painful than low ADP DaS 2 for sure.
>>322101876
B team logic
>dark souls had a great system
>demon's souls had an okay system
>if we mash both together we should have the best system!
>>322095160
I usually kill him on the Arena earlier on where he first drops in by bird to surprise you, he's tough but not impossible.
I just constantly have him targeted and move around his left (your right) constantly and then roll accordingly when he tries to get you, a good number of his attacks won't even hit you (Glowing stab and his dash swing for example) even if you don't roll and you can just chip away at his health in the meantime
The only thing to really watch out for in that situation are regular swings and that combo where he tries to shield bash you and then go for a big swing.
Eventually he'll go down without too much of a struggle, you can even do all this with a starting character, since I tend to avoid spending souls until after Forest Of Fallen Giants. I've helped a few players take him down on the initial arena as well.
Don't over think it the fights, Dark Souls looks more menacing than it actually is. All you really need to get good is a bit of common sense and patience.
>>322102072
At that point in the game? he'll just take all of your stamina and you can't exactly get easy access to a 100 damage reduction shield before him.
There is literally no benefit whatsoever to having a shield against a boss that early on, hell I would question them ever being a benefit throughout the game.
I haven't found them particularly useful in DS2, in Dark Souls I loved using a shield, it was snappy and durable, in this it's sluggish and generally weaker, while on the other hand Rolling is generous as fuck in DS2 compared to Dark Souls so it's like why bother not rolling?
>>322099628
>Ruin Sentinels
>Executioner's Chariot
>hard
Haha what
>>322100026
i guess not
>>322099628
Honestly I've consistantly had more issues with Gargoyles than I ever had with Pursuer or Ruin Sentinels.
They're relatively easy, the gargoyles can still be annoying simply because of how many there can be.
>>322099628
I agree outside of Velstadt. That boss can be the biggest cunt sometimes.
>>322099628
Have they made the pursuer harder in SotfS?
After beating him the first time, the pursuer never hit me again.
All you have to do is strafe towards his shield side irc, and you'll avoid all but one of his attacks.
And you can see his jumping shield bash coming at you a mile away,so just roll away.
>>322104172
Not the Pursuer necessarily, but they put him in more compromising areas with his expanded moveset right off the bat.
>>322096847
ADP isn't mandatory though.
I've beaten Fume Knight with sl 75 holy diver build with all point put in for maximun heide lance counterattack. Minimum adp and relatively low health.
However it wasn't very fun.
>>322095160
when in doubt
summon help
>>322095160
Pursuer isn't a mandatory boss.
>>322101876
Try putting down a small soapstone sign. Usually gets you summoned pretty fast and then you'll be back to 100%
