What is CHIM?
>>322051212
chim is the irl version of
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>>322051212
CHIM
Cock head inside me
>>322051212
it's pretty cool
>>322051212
A meme.
>>322051212
Lucid dreaming.
>>322051212
Realizing that you're in a video game and ceasing to give a fuck.
To simplify it: The character realises it is in a video game
>>322051212
A pretty cool concept desu.
when characters in the TES universe realize that they're inside the dream of a god (ie a video game being played by you) and accept the true nature of their reality they are no longer bound by its laws, so they can open up the console and do whatever they want
>>322051212
The awareness to know you're part of a being's "dream" but also having the resolve to isolate yourself as your own person away from the dream. This self awareness gives you power. If you fail to truly see yourself as separate from the dream you zero-sum and get erased from existence.
I think it's an allegory for the developer console.
>>322051534
Who has done this?
Sans
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>>322051212
Something Vivec have
It's just another word for tulpa
>>322051626
in TES, Vivec and Tiber Septim are confirmed
>>322051614
Basically this.
The wiki page makes it way more confusing than it needs to be.
>>322051943
Opening the console / reloading saves is essentially your character achieving CHIM. Seeing as it's basically them acknowledging that they're in a video game and using it to their advantage.
CHIM isn't videogame powers or console commands like half the people are saying in this thread, OP. Only two people have had CHIM so far in the TES games and that's Vivec and Talos. None of the player characters have CHIM. Cyrus does not have CHIM. The CoC, the Last Dragonborn, the Nerevarine, the Agent, the Apprentice, the Soul of Conflict, the Eternal Champion, none of them have CHIM. This is immediately made clear by the fact that if the world had a dozen CHIM users the lore would be completely different and TES wouldn't be anything remotely like it is now.
CHIM is the cancer that killed TES threads.
CHIM is like if Star Trek threads on /tv/ had completely departed from variegated lore discussion to exclusively obsess over timeline continuity talk, with every single thread being a stream of self-proclaimed gurus elaborating their stupid gay theories on how to reconcile worthless Abrams Kirk with Roddenberry Kirk.
TES threads used to be discussions of what some reference in some forgotten lore meant, whether an event described in Khajiit annals was the same one described in the oral traditions of Valenwood, etc. Now it's wall-to-wall
>No! Vivec was CHIM so his CHIM was a higher level of CHIM than the CHIM of the protagonist's CHIM. CHIM means you have lunch with Kirkbride and he lets you drive his car sometimes when he's tripping balls. I'm on CHIM right now.
>You idiot! CHIM is more like when you CHIM yourself in the CHIMhole and CHIM all night while playing MorrowCHIM.
>But what if I were to CHIM while I was CHIM? Would I become CHIM?
>Yes. Wait, no. CHIM.
PLEBS PRETENDING TO BE DEEP BECAUSE THEY TOTALLY GET SOMETHING THAT HAD HINTS OF DEPTH FOR THE SAKE OF FUN, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO RUN IT INTO THE GROUND OVER-ELABORATING IT INTO AN ENTIRE METAPHYSICS MADE UP BY CHIMLORD841 ON CHIMFORUMS.CHIM
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Lucid Dreaming within a Dream. Or; A video game character realizing it's a video game and therefor being able to change the rules of it's reality whilst within it.
Armarath is similar to CHIM but instead of lucid dreaming, it's waking up. You realize that the dream was just a dream and you return to your level of reality. Sometimes you forget the dream, sometimes you can go back into it with a few minor details missing or changed.
Kapla is the change between Armaraths. When god wakes up after he eats the world in another of his forms and shits out another Mundus. Alduin was that dragon-god and it was his job to end each Kapla or age and bring about a new reality with new rules, new names and new creatures. Daedra and Aedra (the Demon Princes and the Mundus Gods) could sometimes piggyback on the new Kapla but would likely have to change themselves to suit the new version of reality.
There, now you're armed with the basic knowledge of why The Elder Scrolls is among the greatest lore settings in the world and why Bethesda is such a shitty company that they take this crazy level of self-awareness and time fuckery bullshit and shit out a generic viking fantasy where you, the main character, fuck everything up by creating an unending Kapla.
>>322052267
>>322051212
ASCENDING
One of Bethesda's former writers, Michael Kirkbride, got high one day and decided to explain the existence of a player-character in the lore. He tried to use some Buddhist ideas to fit the narrative. Don't take it too seriously.
>>322052267
>and that's Vivec
Vivec didn't achieve CHIM. He was aware of it and tried to achieve it but ultimately didn't.
The same as dying properly.
Like after escaping the highest rank of reincarnation of hinduism
>>322051614
holy fuck i have never seen such a succinct yet accurate explanation of such an obtuse concept
>>322051435
Basically this.
Why CHIM is always written in all caps?
>>322052210
It's debateable.
You could argue that Kirkbride's C0DA makes every mod and bug canon. but.. It's debateable.
>>322052471
Wouldn't that mean he zero-sum'd? I'm not too keen on TES lore but I doubt that Vivec zero-sum'd.
>>322052921
He's wrong
Vivec achieved CHIM
>>322053037
He knew about the concept from Molag Bal. He didn't comprehend it.
Vivec ultimately disappears without a trace prompting the catastrophe.
>>322052471
You're thinking of Mankar Cameron
who was the best character is morrowind and why was it based Sotha Sil?
>>322052871
It's an Ehlnofex sigil. It's a tradition in universe to write it in capital letters because it resembles the sigils more.
>>322052167
The wiki page is also managed by someone with close ties to the /r/teslore community, which contains most of the "lore masters" like RottenDeadite and such. These people crave vagueness and the concept of a billion interpretations. Ask them what CHIM is and it's a lot of "eh, not quite that but not quite this either". The whole concept of some sort of solid lore is tossed out the window quickly because people love their ambiguity and reinterpreting things whenever they want however they want.
CHIM, Amaranth, kalpas, timelines, concepts like Lyg, time always breaking down, historians being wrong and biased. It all becomes more reason for them to say something is everything else besides what it is. The UESP tries to be as objective as it can and ends up mentioning very little. The more out of game the lore is, the less the UESP touches it. But since most of CHIM relies on OOG lore, it's hard to even describe because /r/teslore will go down people's throats and call it an unreliable source.
>>322051212
realizing that you live within the head of a giant schizophrenic god
>>322053037
It relies on a few things.
1) You accept he didn't achieve CHIM prior to Oblivion. This is supported by his possible death in Morrowind by the player, his uncertainty about everything, etc. Basically him being as unCHIMy as one can be.
2) You ignore MK's fapfiction, The Trial of Azura, where everyone is out of character and it's just Vivec dominating. No one blames you for ignoring it, it's a roleplay session that just got documented is all.
3) Don't consider Vivec's lore from Out of Game text to be canon.
No problem if you accept all this, but these are generally the areas where debate starts.
>>322053457
To be fair because of the Dragonbreak many uncertainties are inevitable.
>>322051212
It is realizing reality is a dream of somebody but knowing that allows you to shape the dream.
>>322053775
Unfiltered MK faggotry is incomprehensible so it's fine to ignore it.
MK should be brought in moderation, as a flavor to the lore. Leave him unchecked and you get a clusterfuck.
>>322053792
Oh yeah, they have all the tools they need. It's just it ultimately makes a mess of everything, especially when they argue speculation more than evidence. Everyone wants to cook up the cool new fanon that'll get adopted by everybody and be given the thumbs up by MK himself. The funny thing is that they'll still get on your ass if you interpret something they consider wrong despite the reality everything is correct!
It's one of those failed attempts at MK's idea of an open source lore thing. They have a massive collection of fan work but a lot of it is dull or focuses on such minute, mundane details that no one honestly gives a shit or even references 99.99% of it.
>>322054339
Fuck them. Didn't they also ban MK at some point? I remember him being a sperg about it.
Fan theories eventually go full autismo mode so bailing out of some communities is the best option. /tg/ is usually comfy for TES lore threads though.
All you need to know about CHIM is memes
>>322054865
oopsie daisy
>>322053991
What if I like it when my stories are clusterfucks?
>>322054865
CHIM is srs bzns boi
>>322054734
Oh, they banned him alright. He was even begging for it. Many people pointed out that the "cult of MK" was becoming a real issue on there and he wasn't helping things at all with his attitude. He even admits he wasn't doing any good. So he got banned but came back some time after and cooled his jets for a bit. Then he stopped posting for a while. But yeah, he's a total sperg. A bit of a primadonna when it comes to how people should see him and treat him and his lore. He also wanted the community to be small knit and more exclusive despite the fact he was the one blasting his stuff all over the place.
Fucker got mad because he claimed he caused the subscriptions to /r/teslore to rise immensely. Someone showed him the numbers and told him the growth in subscription was small and faded away quickly. The guy's a mess and he makes up new lore that sometimes fucks everything up. Don't even try to understand his "sailing in different directions is time travel" shit. Someone else had to rewrite it and changed how it completely work just to give it the mere potential to make sense.
>>322051212
If you ask, you don't need to know.
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wrong
>>322051614
Close but not quite
>>322055720
Explain or drop the MK act.
The only thing worth pointing out is that it's not exactly a dream, the dream is just a metaphor a.k.a a way to describe to it but not exactly what it is. Even then, "dream" kinda implies that.
>>322055987
Dream is convenient enough to describe it. Basically it's a greater "being" "dream", if you look close enough to something, that "being" might confuse you with what you're trying to be, it's called Mantling in TES lore and that's the basis of CHIM.
>>322055546
Yeah he's a cunt and his "cult" sometimes even leaks here. I had one faggot constantly quote his wife or whoever the fuck as canon source just because she knows him IRL or something.
Though I admit that I do kinda want to see his retardation translate into his own game. Didn't Telltale hire him?
>>322056134
Mantling as the basis of CHIM? The basis of CHIM is your own perception, turning the wheel on its side and seeing it as an I. The Godhead holds no influence on you achieving CHIM or not. Mantling is actually just one way to achieve CHIM, Vivec addresses that in his sermons as one of many paths. It's not the basis, just one way.
>>322056206
LadyN. She's...a bit sjw on things. The idea that Redguards may not be human is undeniably racist to her, this is despite all history and the Redguard lore supporting they are not human. Mer are not human. Redguards have zero ancestry or even the same blood as man, they're beliefs are more mer in nature.
But yeah, Telltale hired him. Before she and MK both worked for shitty paywall app companies. MK took the occasional contract job, one being for a Star Wars game he won't shut up about.
>>322056134
CHIM and Mantling are completely different things.
Chim?
https://youtu.be/N1C0nZ7sERM
>>322056721
>LadyN. She's...a bit sjw on things. The idea that Redguards may not be human is undeniably racist to her, this is despite all history and the Redguard lore supporting they are not human.
This might tie in as to why he praised Black Panther Party like they were some justified badasses. He's a whipped cuckold lmao.
>>322057070
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyKxKn_WsE
>>322057070
>Spam random voiceclips that don't match a single note of the song
God fucking damn what a shitty remix
>>322057305
He had an obsession with that stuff before they met I believe. Redguard was 1997, which is where he dumped a lot of Redguard lore and had his obsession with stuff. Imperial Library, which LadyN helps run, is how they met and that started in 1998.
The situation is that they both had an obsession with black people but the obsession was different in some ways. Eventually hers dominated and Mr. "The biggest mistake of TES was relying on elves and humans" was suddenly arguing how Redugards were human and it would be racist or ethically wrong to say otherwise.
>>322057880
>Redguard was 1997, which is where he dumped a lot of Redguard lore and had his obsession with stuff. Imperial Library, which LadyN helps run, is how they met and that started in 1998.
Fucking hell I don't know if him having white guilt before he even met her is better or worse. On one hand at least he isn't whipped and influenced by her on the other he's still insane on his own. Really makes me wonder if they'll take his ramblings more seriously when they eventually make a TES game focusing on Hammerfell. Again I wouldn't mind it if they do as long as they filter it to a degree.
>>322058796
He's still a bit whipped since he's had to hold back on how crazy he can get with Redguard lore or get called a racist by her. Luckily there's one thing Bethesda is good at and that's padding shit out. The Redguard are OP in the lore. OP as fuck because of MK. They have HoonDing which is basically insta-victory and one of the strongest entities in existence, even stronger than all gods beyond Talos. They can skip the whole world eating thing. Their sword singing apparently makes the Thu'um look like shit. Yokuda was apparently just flat out better than the Empire in every way. Bethesda's going to mellow that shit out real quick if they do Hammerfell.
They already made it so that Hammerfell couldn't beat the Thalmor without having a ton of Imperial soldiers - who were still stationed there - helping out. They like to either subtly reference things or just throw an occasional bone like with Heimskr or Mankar.
>>322059739
>They already made it so that Hammerfell couldn't beat the Thalmor without having a ton of Imperial soldiers - who were still stationed there - helping out
They were also dying in throes when they besieged Orsinium for like three decades? They also had Bretons helping them out. They're full on anime tier on paper I agree but at least they didn't accomplish shit in the actual lore.
I see them playing a major part in the war against the dominion though, mostly because they fought them off, albeit barely. Probably an alliance between Skyrim and Hammerfell. Maybe even Valenwood joins in.
>>322051626
I don't think Sans knows he's in a game, he just knows about your time fuckery.
Also pic related.
>>322051626
Postal Dude.
>>322060484
Yep. Bethesda is on the right track with managing Hammerfell. Honestly, with the help they got from the Imperial troops stationed in Hammerfell, the obvious Thalmor ploy to split allies and countries apart, and the forced hand of the Empire to make peace with the Thalmor after the Great War....I hope Hammerfell is smart enough to realize it should lend a hand to the Empire at least for the sake of Tamriel as a whole. A temporary alliance.
>>322061785
>Bethesda is on the right track with managing Hammerfell
so how many "kill the elves" radiant quests will we have in your opinion?
>>322061785
Bethesda always sneaks in the peak of the next game. Like the whole android sidequest in Fallout 3 with that German guy going in great lengths about Commonwealth and with people in Oblivion talking about dragons returning and civil unrest in Skyrim.
With all the mentions about Hammerfell splitting up on their own and those Redguards patrolling for that traitor it seems like they're pitching them as a starting point for a counterattack. That's what I hope so anyway. I really love huge desert areas.
>>322062567
If things are kept to scale then I don't think Hammerfell is going to be that big.
Never thought I would see the day where there was a thread about CHIM
>>322063335
Nigga we talk about it all the time.
Any point in buying Morrowind? Should I just pirate it instead?
>>322062065
Depends. Fallout 4 showed some change in how they do shit. They hired a ton of new people too so it's even more people working on dungeons and assets and enemy types. We can only hope Fallout 4 is a sign of better things to come.
>>322062567
What worries me is Hadvar in the beginning saying "Giant spiders? What's next? Giant snakes?"
>>322063765
As long as the protagonist isn't voiced and with a baby I can cope with it.
>>322063893
Yeah, for some reason it's Fallout they decide to enforce characterization like that. Fallout 3 has a ton of lines that write you off as being in total shock and at a complete loss about your missing father or anything you learn about him. And then whole forced writing that tries to make you feel like a monster for not killing yourself in the end and making you feel like a martyr. I feel a bit more confident that the next TES won't do the forced characterization but voiced character? That could be a thing.
>>322062567
it's going to be valenwood and potentially summerset isles if the new engine handles sailing well
>>322064110
No forced preset characterizations, no shitty family I can't give a toss about, no dumbed down dialogue wheel and no generic voiced protag. That's it. What they pulled in FO4 was not an upgrade. Your character was literally worse than Shepherd; you couldn't disagree on half the shit they asked and you were already half established for no reason.
Made me feel disconnected from something that's supposed to be a blank slate, instead it was just a half of a already bland and shit character. Voice didn't help either. Going middle of the road is fucking horrible, either commit in writing a full fledged character like Geralt with few nitpicks to choose from or just give us literally whos to self insert. Fucking Bethesda.
>>322064576
Sailing would be amazing. Every game they have some big gimmick like Oblivion gates, dragons, or power armor. Summerset has a ton of great nautical stuff. Customizable boats would be great. Well, at least initially, and then we have to mod it.
>>322064714
Fully agreed. The sad reality is that in this case, Fallout 4 has more dialogue options than Skyrim. To them, bringing that wheel option to the next TES makes sense. We can only hope they have time to listen to the widespread criticism of the wheel. This time it's not even /v/ bitching, it's reddit, it's tumblr, it's youtube. It has to be one of most glaring issues with the game being reported.
>>322052304
wew lad
calm down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyKxKn_WsE
>>322065058
Voice makes it cost more and restricts the dialogue. Also it takes away from your own interpretation/characterization of your own avatar. They can't convey emotions of a bard/thief/paladin etc. They can only sound generic. They also restricts your age and even accent depending on the race. It's a shit deal all around.
>>322064714
you have more choices than sheperd with worse voice acting. there are more than rainbow ending for crying out loud. bethesda just dont bother writing arguments instead let you act on your belief, in some cases.
I suspect when todd see "gaym with guns" he immediately think there is only one audience for it hence the family drama and the constant press to be the good guys
>>322063765
>They hired a ton of new people
canucks havent shit out anything good since 2008.
>>322065847
Yeah, voice overall is a bad move for TES. A part me still doubts since FO4's voiced stuff was such a rebellion against commonsense. But it does feel like TES is their one title where they focus on the concept of being whoever you want and doing whatever you want. I still think the wheel might have a chance to come back but they could also try something else, especially with all the criticism.
