Which is better, ragdoll or premade death animations?
Ragdoll, premade is for lazy developers.
Both if possible, but Ragdoll if not desu
>>322049289
I liked how Fallout 4 did it.
It's got a premade death animation but only lasts for a second, then the ragdoll takes control and makes the death flow smoothly.
>>322049437
It actually takes more effort to animate than to have ragdoll.
>Not a hybrid like Euphoria
>>322049437
>this fucking post
>>322049437
w-what? Are you for real?
>>322049437
inb4 5 gorrilion replies
>>322049289
Ragdoll but it needs some weight to it.
>>322049289
Ragdoll is more fun to watch.
>>322049437
what makes you think that?
>>322049289
Ragdoll. More funnier and realistic.
>>322049289
Hybrids are the best
Ragdolls are fun, but if the enemy just blimps into ragdoll form immediately with no transition it usually looks like shit/breaks immersion
Especially weightless ragdolls, fucking lol souls games
Combination is best, but if I have to choose just one it's ragdoll.
Animations combined with ragdolls. Max Payne 3's ragdoll system made the gunplay feel super meaty when you're watch bullet rip through people
>>322049289
Premade ragdolls. Euphoria.
>>322051582
This, MGSV did a good job of having guards crumple into somewhat realistic positions and then be ragdolls afterwards. Most other games just have enemies Havoc physics-ing their way across the map from a tiny hit. Also the ragdoll needs to have some weight to it so legs and shit don't bend backwards (or just clip through the body) for no reason.
>>322051471
With a premade animation you can apply it literally anywhere and call it a day.
With ragdoll you actually have to do some physics code to determine how the ragdoll plays out, plus more code depending on if your game has different types of ammo that do different things to a ragdoll.
>Dark Souls ragdolls
>Havok in general
Ragdoll with animations
>>322049437
>people prefer ragdoll because it's "more funnier"
LOL
>>322049762
>>322051015
>>322051165
>>322051471
It takes one guy to animate it.
It takes potentially dozens of skilled people to create convincing physics for ragdolls.
>>322051974
Who are you quoting?
>>322051841
>With ragdoll you actually have to do some physics code
highly fucking doubt that. copy and paste a physics for death and you can apply that to every model and future games
premade you have to literally code for each model
>>322051582
I think the worst case of ridiculous rag doll physics I've seen was hit man 2. I shot a guy under the chin while he was above me and he flew like 50 feet into the air.
>>322051974
To be fair, if I was making a comedy/joke FPS I'd try to have the most ridiculous ragdoll physics possible.
>>322049437
You got me anon
a combination of both since having plain death animations leaving still bodies that can't move around anymore is dumb as is slumping into a pile without motion the moment you die.
>>322052076
Not even, if the models use the same bone structure you can re-use animations.
Premade going into ragdoll.
Halo 3's was pretty satisfying, kind of a mix of both right?
>seeing an enemies head fly backwards and their body cartwheel from a sniper headshot
>Industry was transitioning to ragdoll in every game by 2001
>Suddenly Modern Warfare makes static deaths okay again
Anti Technology thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFPJVI9-ng
>>322049538
Which was borrowed from the newest Wolfenstein
Todd also borrowed rage's gunplay and ai; fear's slomo effect and level design as well as mp3 limb shooting for human enemies. Meanwhile having a halo control scheme with infinite guns, grenades, mines, a dozen melee options and tons of buff/debuff items like deus ex with the enemies variety of pre 2010 shooters.
Todd came so close to make the best singleplayer shooter ever made.
Fuck Fallout fans be it NMA, Obsidrones or Bethdrones.
>>322051974
Rag doll is better than the same cod type death every time.
>>322052558
>>322051582
>halo ce
premade death
>halo 2
comical ragdoll
>halo 3
ragdoll improved where the limbs doesnt flail wildly. only to suffer one major flow which is make everything weightless. seeing a 1+ ton dead spartan floating down a shallow creek broke my immersion hard
>>322049289
Ragdoll. It allows for more random movements and creativity. Killing Flor 2 did a great job using both though, Zeds have animations for getting shot in specific places and whatnot, then the ragdoll for both players and enemies is delicious.
>>322049437
>premade is for lazy developers
Seeing as how it takes more effort to make, I'd say it's the opposite. Using premade for everything is for short-sighted or uncreative devs, but not lazy.
>>322052558
I wonder who's behind this post
Whichever one Rage had.
>>322052728
>Halo 2
>Snipe an Elite
>their body goes stiff and jump up with a body twist
I found that satisfying and funny back then
>>322052016
Who said anything about convincing?
>>322052558
Hi Todd
>>322052821
>Ragdoll. It allows for more random movements and creativity.
>shoot NPC's hand
>collapses on the floor
>>322052728
Halo 2 wasn't fully ragdoll thought, the flood combat forms used premade death animations so that they could resurrect whenever an infection form entered a dead one
>>322052016
There are no convincing physics ragdolls. It looks goofy and retarded 100% of the time.
Gibbing
I like a combination of both. Ragdolls for explosions and head shots, animations for everything else and then ragdoll as soon as the enemy "dies" after squirming from pain.
>>322052821
>Reloading a hammer
What a shit game.
>>322052261
Fuck that. In skyrim literally every person you kill does that stupid 360 spin and just falls down stiff as a log. I couldnt have modded out the death animations faster.
>>322049289
>better
you have the wrong mentality desu
>>322052821
The only thing KF2 did right was the HUD.
Shame the game is turning into garbage.
>>322053174
The alt fire on the hammer is an explosive attack, the mag holds the grenades.
Ragdoll is completely pointless outside of Hitman. It's always weird when you have a physics system that only exists to animate dead bodies. Dark Souls does this worst though, it makes no sense.
I liked Euphoria in RDR
>>322049437
>ragdoll is for mature games from mature game developers such as myself
>>322053446
dark souls engine use havok and from was too retarded to turn it off. They turn it off in 2nd game.
>>322053174
It is just for the rightclick. You don't need to use it unless you want to make a lot of damage to the enemy, but you can just ham them.
>>322053291
I don't know what the FUCK they did to the game but it has crazy stutter issues now for me and many others when it ran fine on even my shittier HDD
>walk near a large heavy monster
>It moves because you touched it.
>>322053560
Who are you quoting?
>>322049289
Ragdolls tend to be funny sometimes especially if your opponent just goes flying after getting fucked or you hate his guts.
>>322053571
I loved how it turned out to be. Missed this in DS2.
>>322053669
>>322049289
premade death animations that blend into ragdolls
Premade+ragdoll
>>322052558
Well I guess people copy everybody when they make games.
>>322053626
They did Nvidia Flex.
>>322053291
I dislike the hud's cleanliness compared to the first game. The elements like text being bigger and easier to understand is okay, but I think the game's art-style would benefit from a more grim looking hud like in the original.
As for the game itself, It's gotten much better in terms of gameplay for me, and the microtransactions don't bother me until I start to remember they added it in early access (although they did iron out some terrible bugs in the system so I'm guessing that's why they added it to EA also). This last update apparently didn't have much because of holidays coming up, so I'm hoping they release another quickly once they get back into the office.
Also another webm relevant to the thread.
>>322053804
>tumblr filename TPB images
I'll pay you $100 to fuck ON, cunt
>>322053626
What card?
>>322053626
I hate that too. Hope they hotfix it the moment the holidays come to an end. I'm sure they know about it.
>>322052016
>realistic ragdolls
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>322053921
750ti, ran flawless when it first came out so I really don't know what's wrong, no other game has stutter like that
>>322053909
Frig off Cyrus
>>322054034
thanks for letting me know as well, i have a 750ti and was planning on giving that game a try.
at least now i'll just steer clear.
>>322049289
Rag dolls with convincing physics. As funny as it was the first few times, it's just weird seeing the wraiths in the Londo Ruins get hurled along like they weigh nothing. CSGO's is okay for what it is.
>>322054034
Most likely bloom and nvidia flex. Also make sure you're running it fullscreen with fxaa at the max
>>322054017
MGS4 had some pretty convincing ragdolls.
>>322052016
>convincing physics for ragdolls.
name ONE fucking game that does this right. I'll wait
>>322052728
halo 2 and 3 ragdolls were the pinnacle oft-baggingtechnology
>>322053921
>>322049437
>an actual animation that looks good
>vs ragdoll which just looks silly as fuck and doesn't require actually taking the time to make it look good
>Why.. me?
>>322054163
Just do what >>322054213 said, I'm pretty sure I had bloom off but I dunno about flex or fxaa, wait for a free weekend though.
>>322052320
ragdoll ain't that much of tech though, barely any dev makes them right
>kill giant heavily armored monster
>ragdoll has no weight
>make fun with ragdoll as it floats into the air like a piece of cloth
>>322054251
mp3
>Not using both
>>322054163
It has a free weekend almost every time there's an update. Just wait until the next big update and tr again.
>>322054213
I've disabled nvidia liquids (still have gibs) and bloom, the freezing still occurs but rarely due to me lowering settings. I think it's a memory usage issue because after I close my browser the freezing occurs much less since space has been freed up.
>>322051904
Havok might not be perfect but the lighting in 1 and the way surfaces look in general are infinitely better than in 2.
/r/ing the webms of Turok 2's death animations, I forgot to save them.
>>322054584
>takes shotgun to the chest
>doesn't gib
Fucking dumb as shit.
Offtopic question anons, but what takes less power? Fullscreen, Windowed, or borderless windowed?
>>322054573
what?
>>322054259
truly delicious
Ragdolls are only funny when they go flying through the air when blown up. Other than that I take premade death animations over them any day.
BC2 did it right.
>>322054693
Just look on the archive for the game's title. Barely discussed on /v/ so you might find it easily if it's recent. Or at least a post in the thread the webms were posted in.
>>322054782
Fullscreen
>>322052728
halo ce had ragdoll physics. inverse kinematics (as they were known back in dinosaur days) were one of the big selling points, as the game was sort of a technical wonder at release.
>>322054251
We're talking about lazy devs. It takes more time and money to make ragdoll physics than death animations. If you want to go for realism, you'll have to do ragdolls because death animations will clip.
But if you want
an example, Source engine is pretty good.
>>322052558
>Which was borrowed from the newest Wolfenstein
Which was borrowed from BC2.
>>322054776
>First gets his arm torn off
>Second loses half his chest
Not sure what webm you're watching anon
>>322054804
If you don't know what game that is you have no business arguing here
>>322054829
except the bf games have the same 3 death animations for every shot on the body
>>322054776
You can see he's aiming at the people on the right, and the monster loses his arm for it being in the way.
>>322049289
Ragdoll if the physics are done right.
>>322054251
Ragdolls by definition aren't convincing. Bodies don't just go ragdoll when they get shot. Merging ragdoll with animation is where it's at.
There's only one series that can pull it off and it's Left 4 Dead.
>>322053358
>Grenades
They're buckshot shells.
>>322049289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPL6kfm8Ai4
i always liked the physics in KZ2 where they did blend animation with tagdoll physics. also it looks like there is weight behind each bullet and the people are acutally made out of meat
>>322054829
TF2 has probably had the most shitty premade death animations ever. The ones when Sniper headshots you were awful.
The huntsman ragdolls are way more satisfying, especially when it pins to the wall.
>>322054989
Yeah, and? You want them to do some fucking Romeo & Juliet ending scene before dying every time?
>>322055102
>Bodies don't just go ragdoll when they get shot.
Never seen someone get shot in the head?
>shoot someone in the face in rdr
>they cover their face with their hands and stumble for a second
>while stumbling, they are dynamic to the world, ex: while stumbling, the character comes near stairs. Then the character trips on stairs on falls down, dies.
The euphoria engine is pretty close to perfection
>>322055358
>Never seen someone get shot in the head?
Why would you willingly want to see it?
>>322054983
so its a weeb game?
depends on game.
Max payne for example wouldnt work without ragdoll. Seeing the bullets impact as if you shot bowling balls is an important part of the game and makes you feel like a baller.
Premade deaths with ragdoll to avoid corpses clip through walls is best for realistic games.
Pure premade works better if you want to keep things clean like for an action shooter with lots of enemies
Premade is good but it gets dull after a while.
Idealy you want a mix of animation and physics.
Ragdoll ruins immersion, for those people who get immersed in games that is.
>>322055412
>Why would you willingly want to see it?
are you serious?
>>322055412
Why wouldn't you, pussy? Do you close your eyes when there's violence in a movie too?
Red Orchestra has top-tier death animations.
>that moment of controllable helplessness when you get shot in the heart
CoD4 had a good combo of animations + ragdoll. Seeing my dead body's arm hang off a ledge the first time in MP blew my mind since I had only known stuff like MOHAA where enemies were very static. Also grenades and other explosives could move bodies, but they had realistic weight to them.
>>322055420
Yeah, MP3 is a weeb game
Ragdoll, even if it's comically exaggerated. Better than stagnant animations that you'll get sick of after the first hour. Especially when enemies get killed on an incline like stairs, and they're left floating over the ground.
I remember when I was younger, playing freedom fighters on ps2, and blasting this guy over a balcony with a shotgun amazed me. Seeing the flow from his body reacting, then twisting around midair before smacking the ground was a relatively new thing. Or at least uncommon to see compared to games today.
>>322055620
ease off the edge there pal
>>322055420
Max Payne 3, dingus
>>322055697
I feel like the corpses were a bit too heavy, but I did appreciate the much more realistic style of ragdolling compared to the weightless-blown-across-the-room style.
>>322055806
>curious what death looks like
>edge
kek. current generation folks. you made this happen
What are all your opinions on source ragdolls?
>>322056173
garbage
>>322055293
no, i want a ragdoll
I really like the ragdoll death animation in Max Payne 2.
Is there any game where you control your own ragdoll when dying?
>>322056173
Only fun when the camera goes in third person and you can see yourself going flying.
>>322056354
RO2 gives you a few seconds of control during certain mortal wounds as your vision blurs and blacks out.
You can occasionally pull the pin on a grenade or fire blindly and get a final kill.
>>322056552
>You can occasionally pull the pin on a grenade or fire blindly and get a final kill.
oh that sounds cool as fuck
>>322056623
It always is.
There's nothing like taking a round to the gut right as you stumble into an enemy bunker with a grenade in hand.
>>322052821
>>322053848
>>322054584
>>322056235
Please anon, I'd like to see more KF2 webms
>>322056354
What game is this?
>>322057304
rebellion
>>322052558
>Which was borrowed from the newest Wolfenstein
Its way older than that.
>>322056354
game
>>322057304
Insurgency
Ragdolls. Ragdolls are amusing.
>>322057463
they really improved the ragdolls after the last few updates
>>322057273
>>322055412
I didn't.
>>322056116
created a bunch of desensibilised people?
yup. next gen will probably all have gender dysphoria and think all men are rapists too
>>322049289
Mixture of both is best
>>322057273
>>322058334
>light chop to the shoulder instantly kills, doesn't even go in very deep
>>322058941
>killed
He passed out from the traumatic shock and the sight of his own blood.
>>322058941
Is this guy dead enough for you, you sick fuck?
>>322052016
Ragdoll bone properties are in-built into most 3d engines by default. It takes like 20 seconds to do ragdoll once you've learned where the tools are.
Fucking idiot.
>>322058334
>>322059219
>this is what we came up with after rdr and mp3
>>322054418
>mfw Perfect Dark and Goldeneye still have superior locational based reaction animations to damage
Seriously how do games from 97 and 00 have better more satisfying reactions to damage than a lot of AAA shooters now?
>>322056339
This. It was the first game I really played that had ragdolls and I remember replaying the demo over and over, I've probably spent more than 5000 hours in Max Payne 2 only because of ragdolls.
>>322059338
>RDR
>shoot civilian in the stomach
>he crawls along the floor begging for his life
>GTAV
>shoot civilian in the stomach
>instantly dies
>>322059496
the graphic drug has hit console hardware hard.
new dev cycle is so expensive they must make it as short as possible.
>>322054693
>>322049289
Delicous.
>>322060008
>>322060008
>>322060160
That's the stuff.
>>322060160
>>322059692
I remember seeing a webm around here with someone shooting a civilian in the foot in GTA V and they fall to the ground and die.
>>322052896
This guy gets it. RAGE has some of the beast death animations in any game. Wonderfully satisfying to kill shit in that game.
>>322060412
Yeah, GTAV has no locational damage at all, except headshots. You can't even disarm people.
RAGDOLL ALWAYSu no RAGDOLL u a shit
>>322052896
>>322060579
This. It's both animated and physics based. Only way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytASbQ6SXzk
>>322060008
is there a way to get mouse and keyboard for emulated turok 2?
>>322060919
if only that game was open world. It would be almost perfect.
>mega textures
FUCK
>>322049289
A combination of the two is the best.
See: Wolfenstein: TNO
If character suffers enough force then instant ragdoll.
If character is just shot then premade to ragdoll.
>>322061640
>if only that game was open world
did you mean "wasnt"
they failed hard at that. even ubisoft did better open world.
whatever this qualifies as
>>322053138
This. The idea is "realism" but it just comes off even faker looking
and its hard to care about the character's death when I'm too busy laughing at how silly it looks
>>322062330
nice ass
>>322062292
I meant the Witcher style open world
Or the Bethesda style open world
Or the Just Cause open world
Any type of actually open world. What RAGE did was a corridor shooter with traveling to the levels.
>>322062330
premade which immediate ragdoll at static objects.or objects with weight larger than x
>>322060626
gta 4 had better animations for shooting people in different parts
>everyone hating on ragdolls but want premade animations a la skyrim
Weighted ragdoll. It's still a ragdoll, but it falls realistically due to different weights in the body, limbs, etc.
>Name a single game that has done this
>>322062939
seem more like everybody want a combination of both that look satisfying and doesnt detract from the gameplay
>>322063041
>>322062939
As has been stated. RAGE. Closest thing so far.
>>322049289
absurdly diverse death animations with ragdoll after they hit the ground is the true way to do it
>>322061407
Just wait for the Steam version senpai
>>322059219
mah dik
