Just started getting into CIV. Why is Ghandi such a cunt?
Apparently it started out as a glitch and they ran with it in the series
it's a meme
Buffer overflow, lil nigga
>>321965928
Once a certain tech was reached the peace bias was decreased by 2 (making the game more peaceful) but since Ghandi was set to 1, the integer counter was set to -1 which basically made it maximum war bias.
Ghandi would just fucking nuke everyone and the bug has continued as a design choice all the way up to CIV 5
it's literally a meme
in the original Civ, AI aggressiveness was decided by a scale of 1-255, with 1 being absolutely peaceful and 255 being a rabid nigger. Ghandi was set to 1 and becoming a democracy reduces your aggressiveness, which cause Ghandi's to go into a negative overflow, loop back to 255 and become an absolute madman
the devs thought this was hilarious, so they made it his default personality in later games
because he was a cunt irl, too.
>>321966324
If ghandi is the most peaceful character then who is the rabid nigger?
>>321966491
I have no idea, I never played the first Civ. I don't know if there was one because it would mean him acting like Ghandi from turn 1, which would mess up the game balance
>>321966625
makes sense. Who's the most aggressive character in CIV V?
>>321966491
The shoshone are nigger tier, they will break friendships in a second if you share boarders. Never trust them.
Greece are the same but they covert most early wonders too so if you happen to build great library and share boarders you better build up a military.
Any black civ par Ghandi will war with you if your military sucks and you share boarders.
The mongols are probably the worst, they'll war if you share boarders regardless of trade deals.
>>321966771
Moctezuma
>>321966894
I've always gotten along with Genghis, and I'm hardly a warmonger in these games.
When it comes to allies, I wouldn't want anyone else.
>>321966491
the mongols
>>321967345
They do have high friendship bias, but these fuckers will rape you if you share boarders and you don't some how friend them.
>>321965928
There all cunts. why would you not be a warlord and just fuck everyones shit up as soon as you can. Been playing like that every game its glorious. I kill ghandi first every time fuck that guy.
>>321966491
Interestingly, NOT the Zulu.
Yes, Shaka Zulu is a warmonger who LOVES war, but if you side with him and join him in declaring war on someone, he will go full bro-tier and literally never betray you ever. His warmongering stat is only rivalled by his loyalty stat.
>>321965928
A glitch in the first game made him the most aggressive person in the game. So they purposely programmed him wrong, as a joke, from then on.
>>321968309
>So they purposely programmed him wrong, as a joke
nice one
Multiplayer is better for war mongerers. You war with another player because they settled cities in places you want that are too close to your capital, you have to make the decision to war with them or you know for a fact that player left unchecked will be a threat to you.
So you war with him and lets say you take over the city you wanted, and both of you decide to instead of warring it out until you're both irreverent to come to a peace treaty.
Now if the other civs in the game were NPCs they would ask for less equal trades. Say if you wanted to exchange luxuries you'd have to throw a few gold per turn in to make the deal happen. Or instead of getting 8-9 GPT from a luxury resource you're only getting 6 GPT.
Players don't think this way, you can war with your neighbor and your other neighbor will still treat trade fairly.
Singleplayer civ is too easy, below immortal level, multiplayer is a much more balanced playstyle because the NPCs dont get a fuck ton of free hammers and science bonuses to artificially increase the difficulty.
Is Civ 3 a good game to start with if I want to get into the series? I picked it up on a steam sale a year or two ago but haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
>not playing alpha centauri
>not shitting all over miram as soon as possible
He only seems to become a cunt once you do something that conflicts with him. Last time I played, he did get a little miffed I had converted some people in his capital to my religion, but didn't do anything against me. Hell, he even agreed to disband nuclear weapons at the world nations.
Is Civ 5 the best Civ? Also is the base game great or only the expansion?
>>321966324
you forgot to mention that 10 is Genghis Khan bad.
post democracy gandhi is worse than 25 Genghis Khans.
alright, /v/, this is my first game. where should i settle?
>>321972635
Due south, two hexes.
>>321972707
are you sure? are you surely sure?
>>321972779
That's literally the best start I've ever seen for early wonderwhoring
>>321972382
Vanilla is meh, though not entirely bad. But the fully expanded version is damn near perfect
he was told hes not allowed to shit on the street
>>321972830
i just don't want to fuck this up. i got a lot riding on this. so, i accidentally went in the wrong direction... go back down four tiles away from the silver on a grass hill next to a river and single mountain?
>>321972994
i came
I wish Civ actually had good AI instead of just giving them handicaps.
>>321973184
should have been SW one tile to get the extra cows
either way it's impossible to lose with a start like that as babylon
>>321973495
i won't get both cows? admittedly i am suck at this game but i thought it would be within workable distance.
>>321973787
you can only work tiles 3 tiles from your city
its probably the least important resource though, you have tons of food and production with the grassland river and mines and quarries
>>321966491
>>321968309
>they purposely programmed him wrong, as a joke
Stream it for fucks sake. I was in a Kung Pow thread like 4 hours ago and no one did.
>>321973787
cities work out to 3 tiles. turn on grid lines and source icons in the bottom right options panel.
>>321973949
Someone make an Alberto Barbosa mod.
>>321974181
what would his personality be like?
>>321973921
>>321974084
hmmm
>>321974287
i guess i misjudged the distance, its hard to tell without the grid
So, is the game still playable if Ghandi turns into Literal Satan and spends his every waking hour trying to nuke you? Sounds like a pretty harsh punishment for turning your nation into a democracy. And all this for the sake of a running gag.
>>321972602
>>321966324
The scale was supposed to be 1-10. Hence Genghis being a 10.
>>321974363
it's not as pretty with the grid so i never play with it on
>>321974409
he doesn't in Civ5. He just has maximum chance to build/use nukes. He's still peaceful, so unless you go to war with him he's still the same peaceful ghandi
>>321966205
Integer overflow, rather than buffer overflow, but you're close.
>>321966265
This is correct. The 'war' attribute for each civ was an unsigned char, and when Gandhi achieved democracy and got a -2 modifier to his existing 1 'war' stat, he turned from peaceful to what the game would interpret as 255. (I disassembled the first Civilization, which was actually incredibly easy because they did something no-one ever does: they left the debug symbols in, the absolute madmen!)
Every Civ since then, because it was so funny, they've done it on purpose.
>>321965928
I like the civ games as overall games but they're pretty shallow in all areas of its gameplay. anyone recommend a game that focuses more into economy and running a country while maintaining some form of warfare?
>>321974856
The Anno series is all economy management and city building with a bit of combat thrown in. 1404 is my favourite, it's just so fucking comfy.
>>321974856
caesar 3, except "country" is "city"
>tfw piss of caesar so much he sends his army to kill you
>own his sorry ass
>he sends you a letter saying how you are a worthy opponent and he's proud you're part of his empire
>>321965928
was a glitch concerning numerical values.
Then it became a running joke
>play civ v
>pic related greets me
>restart game
>first civ to greet me is Alexander
>quit
I hate this man with a passion. He corrupts the world court more than current real world democracies.
>>321974234
I totally missed this meme, what the fuck is it?
>>321973921
4 from your capitol, 3 from every other city.
>>321974287
Turn tile yields on at the bottom right, next to the end turn symbol.
>>321976879
>>321976879
WE WUZ KINGS
>There's no map type that has huge land mass that everyone spawns on but also multiple smaller land masses that you could settle 3 or so cities on off shore.
>>321965928
"If we had theatom bomb, we would have used it against theBritish" - Gandhi
It's a realistic portrayal. He was a cunt irl too.
>>321976975
Why the Portuguese flag?
Most rulers of Muslim Spain were Arabs and the Berbers were just military guys?
>>321977125
expansion was called "AFRICAN kingdoms" and portugal was included
How come England is a top tier civ yet whenever the NPC plays them they get fucking wrecked.
I swear they never build wonders, never settle cities and just get out manufactured, out teched and have 0 pop.
>>321977073
>He doesn't play NQ Pangaea Map
>>321976448
>alexander is in the game
>time to either save up gold and go patronage
Either that or go full warmonger and destroy all the city states, good luck getting votes asshole.
>>321977161
Oh okay. I only ever played vanilla AoEII and when this meme popped up I had no idea what it was about.
Why the duck did they include Portugal
>>321977239
I watch filthy robot play some NQ games on twitch, I didn't realize the pangea map he plays on also have smaller continents.
Attila is a piece of shit, so is Alexander and Shaka.
>>321977162
I love longbowman even more than chu-ko-nu. They are fucking incredible.
>>321977290
Because Filthy hates coast starts and generally doesn't explore the ocean, he just lets satellites do it for him most of the time. There's generally an island or two off to one side of the Pangaea landmass to use for exploration cities.
>>321970059
>shitting all over Miriam
Mate, Miriam is essentially right about everything, she sounds crazy and paranoid at first, but everything she fears comes to happen.
We must dissent.
>>321970059
Miriam best girl
go get nerve stapled
>>321976951
? i just got the faith for a pantheon but some asshole snatched the quarry one... that's the obvious pick for my spot so i dunno what to grab.
So we all have civs we hate being neighbors with, but who do you actually want to be your neighbor?
>>321977342
Attila will at least give you a grace period at the start of the game.
>>321977776
God King ain't bad early game, but you're already too far for it to be truly useful.
>>321977776
The 15% growth is always good. Or the 15% manufacture.
>in the original Civ, AI aggressiveness was decided by a scale of 1-255, with 1 being absolutely peaceful and 255 being a rabid nigger
>>321977814
Ethiopia and Siam are pretty chill as far as neighbours go, Gandhi's not too bad either.
>>321977776
Consider desert folklore, you might also want petra.
>>321970059
I can agree on shitting on Miram as long as we also get rid of this asshole and his scarcity based future.
>>321977863
>>321977887
was thinking desert folklore and grabbing the petra later... i guess i could go for one of those generic ones. found mount kilimanjaro ten or twelve tiles south of babylon earlier too. i fucking love that wonder.
What settings do you guys play on?
I find that I rarely every finish matches if I play on anything other than Quick/Small.
>>321977950
i swear i didn't read your post before posting this one
>>321978016
>>321978037
Immortal, 6 civs including self, Pangaea, abundant resources, quick speed, normal sized map, no barbs, domination victory only
I dunno why I just hate the barb mechanics.
>>321978037
huge/marathon
ALL DAY
>>321977970
Morgan can go get fucked, Miriam and Lal are the only two morally acceptable leaders, and Lal is weak.
The Believers is the only right way, you know it.
>>321977572
>play as Deidre
>decide I'm going full eco-peaceful faction I don't want no trouble
>grow up strong and indipendent
>technologies start to give fungus more and more advantages
>start planting those on rocks and sea since you can't plant tree there
>fungus are actually pretty damn good tiles now
>plant fungus everywhere
>I'm a pink kingdom now
>people now declare vendetta on me from all sides
>I can't be bothered with this shit
>I'll just bomb their territories with fungal payloads
>everything is pink, my army is 100% made of mindworms, I have total psionic control over my population
>what the fuck have I become
We must dissent.
>>321977162
Longbowmen and navy dominance make Lizzy top tier.
The mobility is fucking retarded, if you get an armada, especially on sea maps, you're a fucking steamroller.
>>321976951
>4 from your capitol, 3 from every other city.
I call bullshit. It's 3 from every city, capital or not.
>>321978298
I know that's what a player can do to take advantage of the civs strengths but Eng NPC civs never seem to utilize them.
I swear all they do is plop 4 cities down and sit like that the whole game meanwhile shoshone have 20 cities encompassing England.
England NPC just doesn't keep up with the other civs, they get out teched and cannot produce a military large enough to fend for themselves.
>>321978037
Immortal, 6 players/AI (depending on my mood), NQ Pangaea, Strategic resources + Coal, Quick, Small map.
>>321974856
AoE II is an RTS, but you are practically managing your villagers and are at war
>>321974856
Grand Ages medevil is pretty good.
>>321977275
Because the Portuguese did a ton of stuff in Africa, including slavery.
where to senpai?
>>321979228
Let your settler get captured by barbarians to save you from the horrible game you're about to have
>>321979228DON'TFUCKINGMOVE
>>321979228
That salt is nice, but the rest is shit, reroll.
>>321979228
I;d just reroll, you've got 1 hill nearbye which is 100% going to be iron.
Either settle next to the mountain or reroll.
>>321979228
>No food tiles
>No hills
>3 wine
>Snow almost within tile range of cap
Re roll nigger.
>>321979449
>>321979336
>>321979318
>>321979316
>>321979296
thanks for the advice
>>321965928
Hiawatha is the real cunt
>>321979571
Need more information on the south part of that river system, so far the gems look like the best settle.
>>321979571
Settle on a hill tile next to river, added bonus of being next to a mountain gives you observatory, some wonders like that Brazilian one, and of course the 25% defense modifier.America is a pretty bad civ to play as, his minutemen is actually a worse variant of a musket man.
>>321976990
I often see this meme around. Where does it come from?
>>321979634
This. Never trust these shoshone red back niggers.
>>321965928
just destroy him with your soon to be waifu, Catherine of Russia
If you like Tsundere's, go with Boudicca.
Catherine is so pure and flirty. She's the best.
>>321979735
Minutemen have scout movement, how is that even remotely bad? Muskets aren't that good of a unit but still
>>321979735
Wanted to switch it up. I was playing Venice and Mayans earlier.
>>321979675
Free upgrade.
>>321979814
>so, I guess this makes me your prisoner... [looks directly at where a standing man's crotch would be] I can think of worse fates
fucking slut
>>321979848
They have 4 less combat damage, and the golden age bonus they get is non significant.
>>321972382
yes, but only with the expansions
>>321972382
it's shit without the expansions, bretty gud with them
>>321979915
Good, spearmen can be used to tribute city states. Settle the gems for a free +2 gold for your early turns and buy the cattle asap
>>321979996
They both have 24 combat strength and the scout movement is useful as fuck when upgrading them up
>>321970059
DISSENT.
>>321980081
That is, settle on top of the gems
>>321974856
Either Crusader Kings 2 or Europa Universalis would be good for that.
>>321980081
Cited from civ wiki.
Musketeer:
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Musketeer_(Civ5)
Minutemen:
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Minuteman_(Civ5)
As a unique infantry unit it's not that good, as you've said musketeers are in between techs and you can easily tech up to rifflemen which is an extra 10 combat strength.
As a unique it is rather weak.
>>321980273
>As a unique it is rather weak.
Musketmen are a rather useless unit to begin with and I thought you were comparing to the base unit. Regardless the ignore terrain cost is much more valuable than +4 combat strength. If you are going to build muskets in the first place then building the American one is better than the French one
>>321965928
He actually was a cunt IRL, so it all works out.
>>321980273
You upgrade your units through the tech path (to retain promotions) and retain the ignore terrain cost which is much better than 4 combat strength which is always lost on upgrade.
>>321980273
>Musketeer
The other anon >>321979735 started by saying musketman, not musketeer.
>>321979771
It comes from blacks who try to claim all sorts of past historical figures and peoples as their own. "We wuz kings and queens of Egypt while whitey was crawling around in caves"
>>321980586
You basically need musketmen as tanks and body blocks for your artillery.
I would value the combat strength over the mobility any day, the only reason for having infantry during a seige is so you can take over a city.
Not to mention Americas other traits are situationally useful at best.
1+ sight can be utilised early game for ruins, I'd say it's a decent ability up until the end of the classical era where all the ruins are gone. It only becomes some what useful again during the war period, where your artillery that can fire up to 3 tiles away, but only has sight 2 tiles away in Americas case can now see the city due to the +1 sight and can now fire upon the city.
This is a situational bonus because in what situation will you have an artillery on it's own firing at a city uncontested. The same goes for naval combat that can fire 3 tiles away but can only see 2.
50% discount on purchasing city tiles. This is only ever situationally strong in the early game and even then you might only need to buy one or two tiles. To use up that trait on such a weak, fleeting bonus doesn't make this civ a good civ to play.
The b17 is the only decent trait this civ has, and even then it's replaced after about 60 years for the stealth bomber. Overall America is a pretty weak civ.
>>321965928
DESIGNATED
>>321980225
>CK2
>economy
EU and Vicky, sure, but there's no economy management in CK beyond tax levels, lad.
>>321980818
You then have to evaluate the costs of upgrading costs, if you're spending 70+ gold an upgrade on an army you want to build up based on mobility that you could be spending on say, straight up buying units instead, or buying production or tech buildings. The cost associated with upgrading is pretty big.
It's a nice thing to have mobility, but it's not going to stop those stealth bombers and artillery shredding your highly immobile expensive army.
>>321981231
Anon, I'm not saying America is a good civ and I don't need you to explain that because it's fucking obvious.
I'm saying their Minutemen is better than the Musketeer which it is because Ignore terrain cost is much better than 4 combat strength, if only due to the ability to retain it
>>321981634
Well I stated that the civ was bad as a whole and that the minutemen aren't that great of a unit.
It's a video game discussion board and I'm not a mind reader, I just felt like talking about how weak the civ was and don't exactly know everything you know about the game.
It's a difference of opinion, you value mobility to move units around, I value stronger units that can tank more.
>>321981634
>>321981815
kiss eachother already
>>321965975
It was a bug, sure, but honestly, Gandhi was a cunt for real too.
>>321981459
>You then have to evaluate the costs of upgrading costs
I'm very willing to upgrade units with March, Blitz or Cover 2 which my blocker units generally have around the stage when Musket tech comes into play. Unless I'm having a painful war or I'm broke
>Artillery
Great thing that upgrading them to Great war infantry makes Artillery fire mostly useless.
>but it's not going to stop those stealth bombers
Why the fuck would I have Muskets when they have Stealth bombers? I'd be dropping X-coms or going to space or CC at that point.
>>321981815
> I'm not a mind reader
I only said the Minutemen is better than the Musketeer and Musket men, Not that any of those 3 units are good.
>>321982007
>My wife doesn't need your shitty western drugs
>AAAAAH I'M DYING SAVE ME WESTERN DRUGS
>>321966894
>Any black civ par Ghandi will war with you if your military sucks and you share boarders.
Shaka Zulu has the highest loyalty rating in the game, if you manage to make good with him he will never betray you, even if you're on your way to victory
>>321982247
>if you manage to make good with him
Which generally requires a join war or mutual hatred of another Civ
>>321982142
You've gotta be playing on easy if you're able to just splerg out on 6+ minutemen upgrades just for the drill and mobility trait bonus, However, situationally speaking the Alhambra and gates of whatever wonders would work amazingly with the minutemen tech.
In saying that it's only situationally strong and doesn't really justify the rather weak unit overall.
>Artillery
If you're at the point where you've got 6 minutement upgraded to great war infantry then sure it's a nice bonus but does the trait really make the unit strong? Not so much, you'd have to have those 2 wonders up and running for it to be seen as a strong trait bonus.
>Stealth bombers
We're talking about when you upgrade them to GWI or so. Not when they are just minutemen.
>>321982142
Well we've discussed the difference of opinion, I will concede that the minutemen while not being a particularly strong unique isn't as bad as other uniques.
>>321979228
This is going to take forever. Civ isn't a game that let itself to this kind of fun.
>>321983596
Are you on quick?
>>321982848
>You've gotta be playing on easy if you're able to just splerg out on 6+ minutemen upgrades just for the drill and mobility trait bonus
What? Are you even reading what I'm typing? I'd be upgrading the units due to pre-existing promotions like Blitz/March (Single) or Cover 2 (Multi), the movement bonus is a nice bonus and I'd prefer it over 4+ combat strength which would be lost via upgrading. Money is easy as fuck to obtain on all levels of difficulty in single and being intelligent with your money in multi would allow me to promote the blockers that survived with the good promotions which considering how multiplayer works out would be 2-3 at best.
> but does the trait really make the unit strong?
I'm not saying the bonus is the "best thing ever" it's just a preference over something that literally disappears when upgraded. The ignore terrain is a matter of convenience, helps set up choke point faster etc. It's not like I'd ever build musketeers/Minutemen/Musket men from scratch, they go obsolete way to quickly to be used effectively unless you are doing an artillery rush and even then you'd be using knights upgraded from Calvary to capture cities
>Stealth bombers
I wouldn't even be using that line of units anymore at that point other than defending strategic resources from being dropped and pillaged, I'd either be nuking them into the ground, Using tanks or dropping X-coms on them.
>>321982848
>We're talking about when you upgrade them to GWI or so
If you have GWI and they have Stealth bombers, you might as well just give up on the spot.
>>321978486
That's because the AI can't into navies or naval combat
>>321985123
Excluding city states and their fucking caravels, so many lost trade routes.
>>321972635
One hex right
>>321986556
why not ON the silver? two gold as soon as i settle and a luxury as soon as i discover mining without even assigning a settler to work it let alone have a worker build a mine.
>>321977342
>Genghis is initially extremely aggressive
>once he has a suitable amount of dominated countries he will calm down and focus on diplomacy
Love little touches like this.
