Can we get a Steam refunds thread?
Pic related for me. The AI is terrible and the weapons are horribly inaccurate.
>>321777946
I still struggle to understand how a remake of a Valve game costs double the original game by using the same Valve engine and being in early access
Did you seriously buy an incomplete fan mod?
>>321778948
There aren't that many FPS games on Steam
>>321777946
Since when did that shit cost money? I downloaded it for free..
You fucking paid 10 bucks
9.59 dollarydoos for a fan mod
An early access fan mod
an incomplete fan mod
that everyone got for free ages ago?
>>321779869
JUST
>>321779134
:^)
Hyperdimention neptunia.
Holy shit the gameplay was boring as fuck
>>321781602
>2015
>Playing JRPGs
>>321777946
>black mesa
it's shit
it's simply not half life
it's all wrong
all of it
Can you still get the free version? I forget what the story was on that.
>>321782129
Explain in 50 arguments or less.
>they still haven't finished making xen yet
Last game and probably only game I've refunded [well, technically second last, the last one was Knights of the Old Republic but only because I bought it two hours before the sale started] was Drunken Robot Pornography. I thought it'd be some sort of boss-based first person shooter with giant robots, instead it was some platforming thing with nonsensical voiceovers.
>paying for a literally free mod
Is this a ruse?
Ass Creed Black Flag
Ziggurat
>>321782328
Not him, but my problems come down to a few things
-Soldiers aren't as intimidating
-Soldiers are dumber
-Soldiers take a lot more damage than the original
-Source makes you jump like garbage
-Explosives are weak
-Weapons are inaccurate
Otherwise, it's alright as an FPS
Darkest dungeon for fake difficulty RNG shit
Swords of the Coast for overall shitness
>He BOUGHT Black Mesa.
>Not playing it when it was free.
Bruh you have no one to blame but yourself.
Also yea, it doesn't do AI as well as HL1 and the enemies are a bit spongier. Looks mighty pretty tho.
>STILL NO XEN.
>>321782063
I made a terrible mistake
>>321782774
>Weapons are inaccurate
What does that mean precisely? I remember the machine gun/assault rifle (depending on what version of HL you had) were also extremely inaccurate because of high recoil.
Don't remember anything bad about the other weapons though.
>soldiers aren't as intimidating
>soldiers are dumber
>soldiers take a lot more damage than the original
That doesn't add up.
And the soldiers from HL were pretty though to kill on the hard difficulty, even normal, can't see why would/how they made them more bullet spongy.
The AI also had some full retard moments too. If you shoot at them while they're preparing to throw grenades, they ll simply drop the grenade and start shooting at you.
>>321783467
>What does that mean precisely?
Best example I can give you: There's a part where you're riding a tram and a tram with some soldiers ride up shooting beside you.
I can't hit them with the MP5. I can't even hit them with the shotgun: both barrels. You know what could hit them with though dead on? The magnum.
The MP5 and the shotgun have some screwy hit detection to balance them in accordance with the magnum, but when you need them most, they're useless.
>>321783467
>That doesn't add up.
The soldiers lacked a certain humanity. They were almost as alien as the aliens. Especially with their radio voices. "YOU GOT NOTHING" There's a reason the Combine in HL2 were so similar.
The soldiers in HL1 also gave you a chance to shoot at them and weren't 1:1 sentries.
Also the soldier AI can be super dumb - one instance I had them run at me, and they just stood beside me not shooting until I shotgunned them to death.
>>321782328
it is the current year and their mp5 v_model doesn't have a slap animation when reloading
soldiers are shit
on a rail doesn't get off a confusing and somewhat abandoned vibe
surface tension was gutted
source engine physics ruin fun
~drama~ shit between scientists and seemingly more of a focus on the plot that really just detracts from the gameplay
it's not a good half life remake, it's not even a good game
it's trash
>>321784190
>The soldiers in HL1 also gave you a chance to shoot at them and weren't 1:1 sentries.
So they turned HL into Far Cry? Yeah, that shit sounds pretty bad.
Honestly the only way to make Black Mesa good is to go off in a creative direction and make Ross Scott voice Gordon Freeman and turn it into a comedy-horror-action game where Ross' voice can guide the player along and provide interaction with NPCs and stuff.
>>321779134
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
>>321785086
I own pretty much all of them famalam. I've even tried crappy ones like Stalin's Subway.
>>321782129
I unironically think it's the best installment in all of the Half Life franchise. It easily destroys anything HL2 and ultimately it plays better than HL1. Something about the combat made it a lot more tactical for me. Sure there were weak parts, like that fight against soldiers where you pop your head out of a number of manholes/tunnels, and maybe the big assassin-fight was a bit hard on hard, but, in general, the combat was way more satisfying and challenging in a more fun way than HL1.
>>321785684
>and ultimately it plays better than HL1.
The jumping is ass you tard brain
>>321785869
sure but that really only matters once and I got used to it either way
>>321785684
famalam pls
>>321777946
our economy crashed last year so i started pirating games again after spending a shitton on steam
feelsgoodman, i spend what i save on booze and potatoes
>>321782442
>ten years later
>>321785409
An exact year ago I was trying to get that game on the Steam Christmas bidding thing, I'm currently trying to get it this year. But anyway, why is it shit?
>>321785684
>>321786367
Well Stalin's Subway, the first one, doesn't work on modern PCs.
The second one (Red Veil works and I'll give you my written review:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/PresidentSkele/recommended/311120/
In short: On normal, enemies hit you dead on and kill you in seconds. On easy, I thought it was going to be decent and worth playing: It wasn't. The vehicle section I'm pretty sure is impossible.
>>321779134
Buy The Darkness II
>Great graphics, cel-shading looks good
>Gameplay is badass and fun, but can also be challenging and fair
>Co-Op is fun
>Story is fine, good sequel to the first's story and can get bretty sad
It's less expensive than Black Mesa too.
>>321786478
you know I'm right
I remember when this thing was free.
Why did they start charging money for it?
Road redemption cause devs are either slow as fuck or gave up on it. Could've been so great.
>>321788430
no you arent. the maps were made needlessly complicated just to add MUH DETAIL, and as the game progressed you could tell they got lazier and lazier.
the AI was terrible, the voice acting was TERRIBLE, they cut out most of on a rail (it wasnt that bad of a stage) AND they even cut out most of surface tension which was the best part of the entire game. oh yeah, i guess they added it back in later but fuck that who is going to play that dumb game again?
it was garbage, the original 1998 version is superior in literally every way. if you cannot play the game without GRAFIX you dont deserve to play it in the first place
>>321788646
Not him, but how is the AI objectively worse, other than being different?
Can you give some examples?
>>321788517
>Why did they start charging money for it?
because cocaine is FUCKING GREAT
I really don't see why people are so assblasted about this.
I played Half Life when it came out and loved it.
I shilled out $5 for this when it was on sale, and I loved it, its a nice modernization and it still FEELS like Half Life, while looking much better and changing a few smaller things to keep it more up to date.
I also have high hopes for them unfucking Xen, because god damn that whole 1/3rd of the game is a disaster.
>>321788946
Contrarians, most likely.
Of course this fan made remake will be different, but to call it terrible just because AI behave differently, etc isn't that important in the grand scheme of things. As long as you don't imply this to be a replacement for the original.
I think people are needlessly upset about this.
>>321789487
People get angry because you don't move like an Olympic sprinter all the time anymore, and that the HECU grunts don't endlessly spam M203's at you.
I don't know why people complain about the AI being bad, they will fuck you up on Hard or Normal.
>>321788646
now this is shitposting
>>321788646
>the voice acting was TERRIBLE
Who did you like better? Lispy Barney or Soldier guy who had troubles with his consonant
>>321788794
>but how is the AI objectively worse
Sometimes the soldiers just stand there. I had one stand beside me and not do anything until they were shotgunned.
Also they gave a Barney a shotgun and that nigger got killed so many times just because he took forever to shoot. The only thing he could take out was a barnacle cause it just sat there.
>>321783467
Watch this and understand
https://youtu.be/bBvgRJlNOf0
BM is shiny trash
>>321790131
>3 years ago
>video doesn't even agree with you
"The BM AI isn't bad actually, it's just not as fun to fight as in HL. The soldiers are just too aggressive and if I played BM like I did in HL I would've died right away. All the gameplay was on Hard in both games though BM is clearly quite a bit tougher."
>>321789691
>I don't know why people complain about the AI being bad, they will fuck you up on Hard or Normal.
Good AI has nothing to do with being a bullet sponge or outputting a lot of damage.
I can't believe I have to explain this.
>>321789691
>Also they gave a Barney a shotgun and that nigger got killed so many times just because he took forever to shoot. The only thing he could take out was a barnacle cause it just sat there.
I don't want to call this anecdotal evidence, but at the very least this must be an exception or a bug. I'm trying to stay neutral in this, so what I'm saying is that the behavior in the original Half Life may very well contain similar quirks and anomalies that you may find in the fan remake. And is not necessarily an indication of quality or lack thereof.
>>321790336
>didn't watch the video
Comfirmed retard, as I expect from /v/. It takes him 3 minutes of continued fighting involving flanking, nades, etc in HL to do what took 20 seconds in BM.
>>321790495
Was for:
>>321789979
>>321790495
I think the issue more than anything is that Source AI is really bad.
Notably a lot of games that use it by 3rd parties have to completely rewrite the AI used by Valve for HL2. (Vampire the Masquerade, Original Left 4 Dead, Dark Messiah)
Even in HL2 the AI doesnt flank or really do anything, it straight up just runs at you and attacks. Black Mesa just reused this AI.
>>321790473
But the soldiers in BM aren't bullet sponges you shitter, no more so than the HECU in HL1 are.
Jesus Christ, have you even played the game?
>>321790572
Apparently YOU didn't watch the video either. He literally says that he was just fucking around with the HL1 HECU to let them move around a little instead of just shoving their faces in as fast as possible, which is what he had to do in BM or he would have died.
>>321788794
helicopter ai, soldier ai
>>321790910
>still didn't watch the video
>still implies I said HL is harder
Reading comprehension
>>321790803
>Black Mesa just reused this AI
>Notably a lot of games that use it by 3rd parties have to completely rewrite the AI
I've actually read that Black Mesa doesn't use Half Life 2 AI at all, I can't back this up though, as I'm not trying to prove anything. But it's worth noting anyway. If someone else more informed would like to chip in, feel free.
>>321790968
Alright, but more specifically?
>>321779869
You can still get it for free. The one on steam has more tweaks. Better textures, etc. Not sure if gameplay /difficulty changed. If you want to you can the original Black Mesa for free at any time. Go to their website. Also to all the neo-millenials complaining about the difficulty, get gud. Games used to be harder. Hl1 was much harder than HL2 because HL2 was a cake walk.
Now stop talking out of your ass and do some research instead of repeating what 100 other ignorant people also said.
>>321790131
>https://youtu.be/bBvgRJlNOf0
Why did they change that versions MP5 to the shitty looking no personality one in the latest updates?
>>321788646
>literally every way
Oh yeah those voices were SO good right? Did you even play the first one? Your post is objectively wrong.
>>321790968
>helicopter ai
you could be right there, though the helicopter parts always felt kinda retarded to me in HL, I do have some memory of them being worse in BM. Also I think you couldn't progress until the chopper was down in BM which was bullshit
>>321791170
the helicopters had terrible movement compared to the original, those were straight up hl2 replacements and they didnt translate AT ALL into the HL1 maps.
the solders are garbage, there is no denying this. they just stand around. and they make up for it by simply doing more damage instead of actively trying to outsmart you.
its a known fact that the black mesa devs have shilled here, and you are looking more like one with every defensive post. either that are you are literally a /v/ tool who cant enjoy a game without MUH GRAFIX
So how is the backlash with Steam going? Did all the users forget and are back to being basic drones?
>>321791451
of course they were. the soldier voices are a fucking embarrassment there is literally no denying this
>>321791451
>Oh yeah those voices were SO good right?
They're iconic. Better than trying to copy what's good and failing miserably.
>>321791128
Stop. He proved you wrong with your own video. Just stop making a fool of yourself. It's over. Let it go.
>>321791526
>I don't like thing
>I do like thing
>you are shill
thanks
>Buying early access
>>321791526
No, I enjoy both, I'm >>321789487 and I specifically stated that I don't think this is a replacement for the original. To call it a remake would be a mistake, it's more like a remaster, in the sense that AI, physics, and values have been changed.
What I'm trying to gather from fans, is why it's inherently worse. Which I don't agree with, it's simply different.
>>321791554
Turns out it wasn't "hacked" and all you could see were cached pages. No one had access to anyone else's account. No one was hacked. No one lost anything. Stop trying to instigate things. Grow up man.
>>321791794
there is a difference between actual observation and you just trying to be spoonfed.
>>321791824
Black Mesa source is at its best when it's different
It really should have strayed more from the original IMO
>>321791739
He didn't prove me wrong. His argument is that BM is harder. I wasn't arguing that.
Moron
>>321786005
how many potatoes?
>>321791912
>No one lost anything.
Except their basic information, which is still sensitive information. But looks like valvedrones are going into drone mode as usual. They nearly leaked your credit cards and you people still dont feel like Valve did no wrong. Worthless sheep.
>>321777946
>Buying BMS
Literally every 'improvement' they added to the steam version the community did better in the original free version.
>>321791951
No. YOUR argument is that HL is so much deeper and more engaging because this fight took 3 minutes somehow proves it. He called you out for using a piece of evidence without even watching it yourself. The guy in the video says he was just fucking around in HL on purpose . It isn't representative of the real experience. Your "evidence" is debunked. Now you look like a fool and are accusing HIM of not watching the video.
Basically got got rekt . Sorry
>>321792185
Valve does a lot wrong. Do you think people were happy about paid mods? You just want to paint people as something they're not so you can argue against this thing you hate and have a target for flinging your shit.
Like I said, grow up
>>321781602
this guy gets it. Saints Row IV wasen't worth the money either. It's litterally the same missions over and over again
>>321792528
Except you sound like a shill.
>>321791261
>new millenials
Huh waw
>/v/ purchases an Early Acces game
"INCOMPLETE GARBAGE REFUND NOW"
>>321777946
>the weapons are horribly inaccurate
Shotgun is way more accurate than in vanilla, and much more powerful. You get a revolver earlier, and it's pinpoint accurate. Pistol primary is pretty accurate, and SMG felt much better than in vanilla as well.
>>321784581
>So they turned HL into Far Cry?
They really didn't. Far Cry is my favorite FPS of all time and BMS didn't give me similar vibe.
>>321792740
The Shotguns spread is like an actual shotgun, which I like. Its almost like the Halo CE shotgun, because it isn't useless beyond 5 feet.
>>321793072
Vanilla shotgun was pretty crap on Hard, BMS shotgun is amazing comparatively. HL2 shotgun was actually very good also, so they probably went with it.
