This is why role playing is RUINED in fallout4. The factions are balanced just fine EXCEPT, the institute has Shaun and it makes me feel pretty bad betraying him. Why WHY make my son the leader of a major covenant?? this is like reverse nepotism.
Holy mindless buzzword usage batman.
I guess moronic bleeding heart faggots like you are why the Institute is the most popular faction according to achievement data.
>>321716549
>HOW COULD I BETRAY MY OWN SON???
The fact that you can't separate your ego from this fictional character means you were never interested in roleplaying in the first place. Though I suppose that goes without saying since you're playing a modern fallout.
>>321716549
To make it a moral quandary, because the Institute is retardese evil.
In the end though, Shawn is your son and you are Shawn's parent only in the biological sense. He had a whole life without you and any remaining affection is probably closer to curiosity.
Ask any black kid how a father could betray his own son
>we're only after the betterment of mankind
How are you achieving this?
>shut up and do a quest for us :)
>synths are the future
How? Why do you need self-aware conscious machines to mop your floors when Mr Handy already exists?
>shut up and do a quest for us :)
>we do have no desire to interfere in the unimportant details of your daily lives
Then why are you kidnapping people and replacing them with synths? Did you really use these people in FEV experiments? What the fuck is the matter with you?
>shut up and do a quest for us :)
>The other factions need to be killed
But I'm literally the leader of this place now and I have the power to use diplomacy having also gained the trust of the other organizations
>no you don't enjoy your quest for us :)
>>321717263
or a puerto rican why his father is in prison.
>>321716691
>mindless buzzword
But he never used any buzzwords you fucking retard. You just did though, ironically.
Fucking faggot.
>>321716549
>this is like reverse nepotism.
do you have any idea what nepotism is?
>>321717059
I killed Shaun with no fucks given. He obviously didn't see you as a parent.
>Becomes Leader of Institute
>Still doesn't free you from your prison
>Employs his parent's murderer who still wants to kill you
>Doesn't help you out at all, merely watches what you do as a form of entertainment
>>321716549
>your son
>some old man you've never been able to raise up
he's only your son biologically, fuck him
I just got lent FO4 from a friend recently.For PS4.
I wasn't exactly keen on playing it to begin with, and if I did, it was gonna be on PC. So I gotta ask.
Is it worth at least one playthrough?
>>321716549
They make it easy by letting you just shoot him in the head when you first see him.
>>321718345
>>Still doesn't free you from your prison
Because freeing you means you have to walk on the ruined husk of everything you knew and loved. It was a mercy.
You're right about the rest though.
>>321718449
Not on the playstation, why would you bother?
I haven't even played it yet, I've got plenty of shit to keep me entertained until the mod tools are out and a lot of mods have been made.
>Son let's you out of stasis just to see what would happen, didn't care if you died.
>once you were on his trail and gaining recognition for accomplishments, he decides he can use you.
>tests your loyalty to him all the way up to the part where you see the fake son, as a final test of your emotional attachment.
Little shit didn't give a single shit about either of the parents, he just wanted to play with his robots.
I was happy to put a railroad spike through his chest after sabotaging the institute.
right because a grown and old man you never interacted with is hard to oppose because he shares half your DNA. He's not evil, but its not hard to kill him. Hell, it's practically the only crucial NPC that is killable.
If you didn't immediately kill him and go back to trying to free the fake version of himself he keeps in a cage near the elevator for the sole purpose of confusing you as you arrive, you played the game wrong.
>>321718449
I'm not even going to state how big of a step down it was from NV.
But I will say that if you liked FO3, then expect that, except they cut out a bunch of cool shit and added a bunch of half-baked gimmicks.
>>321718752
>Hell, it's practically the only crucial NPC that is killable.
But the head of every faction is killable.
>>321718936
>I'm not even going to state how big of a step down it was from NV.
In the dialogue alone, really. Okay, the number of weapons too but the mods make up for it and DLC will beef the numbers.
Dialogue is a big deal though, no doubt. But still.
>>321719074
>but the mods make up for it
The mods suck:
>Insignificantly better
>Insignificantly better
>Insignificantly better
>Insignificantly better
>GET THIS ONE!!! IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS
They shouldn't even be called "mods" when they're upgrades. They don't mod the gun at all.
>>321719492
Even if you were right, and you're not, they're a HUGE step up from what Vegas offered in that regard.
>>321719003
>>321718936
>>321718617
My reception of FO3 was pretty damn lukewarm to begin with but from what I'm hearing so far, I'm even less interested in investing any time in it.
![krusty-doll[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/N98jJFb.jpg "krusty-doll[1].jpg")
Is this guy complaining that a moral choice wasn't straight-forward?
>>321716549
I bet you're one of those cucks who chose the ending in Fable 2 where you save thousands of anonymous NPCs that you never meet.
>>321719074
>but the mods make up for it and
If a game needs mods to be good then its a shit game.
>>321719989
No, it's that faction leaders are retarded and you can't call them on it. You can never do anything to debate their ideologies or challenge their points of view.
>>321718345
I was still debating shooting a nuke at his face during our first meeting, but since I was working for the Railroad and curious about the Institute I put that on hold.
Still don't know what the Institute's goal is. They go on about helping humanity, but think their fake people as well as everybody upstairs is shit to be exploited.
>>321720178
>Didn't even wait 2 seconds before choosing my dog
The real question is how the fuck my dog was still alive after I spent 10 years on the Spire?
>DADDY SAVE ME!
What do /v/?
>>321720349
>helping humanity
They've written off all humanity save for those of their ranks.
The real question is what the fuck "Humanity Redefined" is supposed to mean.
>>321720458
Leave that metal shit to die with the rest of those white coat douchebags and their tin cans
Fuck robots.
>>321720458
>computer turns on
>computer says 'hello world!'
>OMG THIS COMPUTER IS ALIVE
This is how fucking stupid Fallout 4 is.
>>321720458
apply the cure
>>321719074
Dialogue, roleplaying, and story structure. The gameplay felt better and the modding system is cool. I also liked being able to build your base.
>>321720867
>computer lives and dies a human life unbeknownst to anyone save for it's creators
The retarded part is the these fucking scientists aren't creaming themselves over having created true AI.
>>321720965
>and the modding system is cool
It'd be nice if more combinations were viable and not simply straight upgrades
>>321718515
Yeah, teleporting you into the Institute would have been so hard. I mean, never mind him outright admitting he released you in the wild just to see how long you would last.
>>321721148
Oh I'm pretty sure the Institute is long past that
Now they're just sitting in a circle making robot gorillas and sniffing their own farts.
>>321720458
>OMG YOU'RE JUST GOING TO ABANDON YOUR SON
IT'S A FUCKING SYNTH INGRAM. YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING AS ALL THOSE PILES OF ROBOTS WE JUST LEFT IN OUR WAKE?
>>321718449
Sure. Enjoy exploring the world and just realize that the story is pretty bad. Go in with low expectations and you should be able to squeeze some fun moments out of it.
Can you even roleplay in this game?
>why are we making these monsters and releasing them into the commonwealth
>to....t-to, look, just bring the next kidnap victim to the vat. We're helping people. Redefining humanity. Fuck you.
>>321721603
>>321721603
Your dialogue choices typically boil down to
>Yes
>Yes (with feeling)
>Yes (with Sarcasm)
>Yes (Tell me more)
>No (I'll say yes later)
>No (I'm trying to be a douchebag, but I forgot this game has no Karma system, I'll say yes later)
>>321721603
Yes (no)
>forced to interact with the Minutemen
>they can't even build a bed without you and have no presence in the game whatsoever even if you rebuild their base and reestablish them in the Commonwealth
>infiltrate the Brotherhood to find out what they're up to
>they literally let me into their floating headquarters after one mission with Danse and tell me all about their plans to destroy the Institute and all of it's synths
>I have Curie with me
>nobody cares
>they also want to prevent war by starting a war and ̶c̶o̶l̶l̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶ destroy any and all technology the Institute might have
Later
>infiltrate the Railroad to find out what they're up to
>they let me into their one and only hideout having never had any contact with them before whatsoever and tell me how they want to save all of the synths because they are people too
>they do this by relocating and reprogramming them to never remember the Institute, thereby destroying whatever remained of their sense of self or original consciousness they had gained
Later
>find a way into the Institute
>there's literally nothing redeemable about what they do and never in any way back up their claims that they've got anyone's best interests at heart besides helping themselves
Am... am I really expected to really support one of these groups?
Literally the Master 2.0
>y-you just dont understand
>>321721359
At least she gets it once you tell her that
>>321721603
No. It's really bad.
>>321722156
I fucking wish. The master explained his plan, he just fucked up on one large thing because he was consumed by how right he already was .
>>321721603
Of course!In your mind.
>>321716549
Because you're not supposed to betray him
The reason your son is there is to give you enough reason to listen to his cause because up until that point, the institute have been the super evil boogymen
The whole point of fallout 4 is to teach you to always keep your mind open and that sometimes your enemies might just be right
But if you're a meathead that can't think for themselves, there's always the brotherhood of Steal
>>321722310
>people defend this
JUST
>>321716549
... that not shaun: its a third gen, just like Kellog.
Shaun never grew up: he was sacrificed earlier for he greater good (ele they would never have awoken you)
>>321721603
>>321722310
I love these things
>>321722398
Boy, good thing no of those things apply to Fallout 4!
>>321716549
I didn't even finish the game. Getting really tired of these soulless openworld and shooting games. When will people get tired of bland, copy-pasted shooting games?
I'm reading conflicting information about Danse and X6-88.
Does Danse still get locked out as a companion if you side against the BoS after he gets exiled?
Does X6-88 turn hostile if you side against the Institute?
Also will Deacon/Preston get locked out/hostile if I side with the other?
>>321716549
>This is why role playing is RUINED in fallout4.
there is no rp in this game at all.
>>321722147
I honestly stopped giving any fucks after a while and just went with the institute because my character joined them, but argued as much as possible so I pretend he reformed them into something good or some shit, their resources were too vast and beneficial to abandon.The Brotherhood were too busy kicking out their best man, The Minutemen giving less fucks than me, The Railroad being beyond retarded at all times, fuck it was the lesser of 4 evils.
>>321722398
>the institute have been the super evil boogymen
BUT ALL THEY DO IS REINFORCE THIS ONCE YOU LEARN ABOUT THEM TODD. I WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO PROVE THEY WERE MISUNDERSTOOD OR THERE WERE CONFLICTS WITHIN THE INSTITUTE, PERHAPS ARMED, THAT LEAD TO THEIR PAST ACTIONS BEING TAKEN AS A RADICAL REGIME HAD TAKEN PLACE YOU'D HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE.
YOU CAN'T CALL THEM ON INTRODUCING SUPER MUTANTS TO THE WASTELAND. THEY ARE A CANCER.
>>321722147
>and have no presence in the game whatsoever
God damn this. I really liked the minutemen as a faction but the only time I actually got to speak to my troops was when I was confusedly trying to kidnap a kid for the institute because I had no idea what the institute was all about.
And the interaction was literally
>stand down soldier I got this
>fuck off General, this ain't the army
Glad I fucking singlehandedly rebuilt all of your towns and armed the civilians with decent armor and laser weapons, punk.
The final fight against the brotherhood at fort independence was fucking awesome though. My missle turrets just blew them out of the fucking sky. Pic related.
>>321722042
ive beat new vegas but ive never really noticed a quest branching out like 100 times. are most of them like this?
>>321716965
what? trying to figure out how your character would feel about a situation is what roleplaying is all about.
>>321722709
What are you talking about, anon?
>>321722617
>Does X6-88 turn hostile if you side against the Institute?
Yes
>Danse
I think he refuses to travel with you.
>Deacon
If you oppose the Railroad, you have to kill their leadership, including him.
>Preston
He's the Yes Man faction. You can't oppose them.
>>321722147
>they do this be relocating and reprogramming them to never remember the institute
Actually, the memory wipe is voluntary, you don't have to do it.
Railroad was generally the best course to take; they tried to give them a negative because some synths they reprogrammed got in with the wrong people, but that's not exactly their fault, is it? They're giving synths free will.
>>321723084
>Yes
Fucking gay, he's a synth, why can't I convince him to pull a Harkness and self-determinate himself onto my side?
>>321720458
I thought synth shaun was the only clever part in the entire game. you get in a fight with real shaun over whether synths have real feelings or not, so leaving you with synth shaun is basically saying "ok if synths are people to you then here's the son you wanted."
>>321723327
>they tried to give them a negative because some synths they reprogrammed got in with the wrong people
RR's downside is they'll kill people trying to kill a harmful synth.
That leader of Libertaria? A synth. A raider captain. People tried to take him out, good people separate from the main factions, and Gloria kills them.
>>321716549
He's only your son by genetics, he got raised by a bunch of robot fuckers, he's not the little negro baby you knew.
>>321720914
>I suppose we could dispatch them
That doesn't really sound the way Curie is supposed to be portrayed everywhere else in the game.
>>321723345
>and self-determinate himself onto my side?
Coursers are more self determined than the average institute bound synth. They're chosen because they display the loyalties the institute needs in a runaway Synth recovery unit.
Coursers are thoroughly loyal to the Institute. Destroying the institute doesn't free them, you've just got an extremely pissed on terminator on your hands.
>>321723685
>He's only your son by genetics,
That's all you need to get your ass put on a throne at 9.
>>321723024
>it makes me feel pretty bad betraying him.
He's primarily concerned about his feelings not his characters.
>>321723774
>terminator
They're C3PO at best. All this shit about how they're a big bad and they go down as easy as early level raiders.
>>321720526
Everyone except them is "human". The rest are proto-humans, basically.
>>321716549
I didn't feel bad betraying him at all. That piece of shit knew about all the horrible stuff the Institute was doing, and kept doing it when he became director. In fact, he started doing NEW horrible stuff. Plus, he let me rot in that fucking freezer for DECADES after he came into power and instead of just thawing me out and sending a Courser to pick me up he decided it would be fun to put me through some kind of fucked up social experiment.
My son died the moment Kellogg abducted him. That asshole pretending to be Shaun is just another barrier in the path to a free and prosperous Commonwealth, and he must be torn down.
>>321717598
This is probably what pissed me off the most in the end.
Im locked in to make piss poor decisions inorder to progress in this game... I imagine this wouldnt feel so weird to think about if i was an absolute retard that wants to run around the wasteland/common wealth acting as a bitch (gun for hire) to any of the factions and do their bidding.
As a leader you cant even run your own faction. the faction runs you.
>>321716549
>go to the Institute
>son treats me like a tool for his objectives
>consider killing him but decide to betray everyone else
>he sets me on the tedious (seriously fuck that elevator mission) point A to B quests with PLEASE SAVE THE SYNTHS at the end of each one
>tries to trip me into becoming the leader with his death disease story
>kill and eat him on his deathbed
>apparently this still counts as completing the mission
>the mission complete image is having a happy time with my son
NO?
>>321716549
>replay game to try another faction
>it's 90% the same just doing main quest shit
literally zero replayability
>>321719668
Just play it, I play on ps4 as well, but within 10 hours of it, you should have pretty much already know how the rest will be.
>>321722846
Just the faction ones. Others get 2 or 3 branch. A few don't branch at all.
>>321722562
>they bothered voicing 4 identical answers
You know the worst part about this whole thing is that they really lowered the bar to untold heights when it comes to dialogue option. I wonder if this shit is going to infect other RPGs too.
Which is the best faction if I just want to rule the commonwealth?
>>321725194
minutemen
>>321723078
What the fuck is even the fucking point of that garbage?
>>321716549
Siding with the institute is the best option for humanity. I swung things the way I did so that my character could use the futuristic technology of the institute for good. If I had it my I'd cease everything that makes the institute bad and, as leader of the institute, find a way to work alongside the brotherhood and/or minutemen. Everyone wins + all of the amazing technology isn't simply destroyed.
The whole muh baby was shit idea on I blame part of it on bioshock infinite.
>>321728787
>find a way to work alongside the brotherhood
Impossible.
>minutemen
Already possible
>>321718345
He fuckin gives you food, shelter, and makes you the leader of everything. Without him you would still be on the surface eating dirt and sleeping on bunks.
From what I hear every faction is shit. Think the dlc will be any better?
>>321720331
see>>321729980
>>321729795
Suck your sons dick even harder. If you'd died in a ditch, he wouldn't have even sent a gen 1 to throw some dirt on your corpse.
>>321729980
>Think the dlc will be any better?
no because Bethesda will somehow remain ignorant of the one thing they got right with Fallout 4, the Glowing Sea
>>321716965
>>321716549
From the general sometime ago:
-----------------
>experiment
>loss is acceptable because Science!
>redefine humanity
>Basically skynet
>Synths are the SS's DNA containers
>They have strong personalities like the SS
>loss of human life is acceptable because we have synths
>but synths are disposable because we made them, let's lowarm grab all of them and push them back to flipping institute burgers, the subhuman trash they are
> Please get them back, they are your children too, we are the best hope for humanity!
> Subhuman shit, get recalled and wiped
The institute is a walking talking superiority complexion, with arrogance and plain stupidity mixed between.
How about none of the factions?
-----
>being this edgy for the sake of it
Yeah, take that edgehat off and go back to >>>/lebbit/, or >>>/trash/.
It's not about being unacceptable. Why would i want slavery in a world that got a clean slate restart? I don't need it.
Gen1 synths are not self aware, or have high cognitive capabilities, use THOSE for slave labor. Others should be free.
---------
>implying you can do that with being the "director".
>Most of the scientists shat on father for nominating you
>Dissenting groups would lock everyone in and threat with poison
>Superiority complex
Yeah, how about no. Not in a million years could you fix a group of idiotic Science! scientist faggots.
Also, the writing doesn't allow that, so... yeah.
>To fix the institute, you have to break everything else first, as in murder everyone else
> Can't go pacifist
> Can't broker peace
> Can't broker middle ground
> Can't be neutral
> Must exterminate everything and then we can pretend it's your choice that matters, or that you can "fix" what wasn't "broken" technically.
Nope.
If there was an actual option to peace it out, then sure. But in this way? Fuck no. Fuck off insticucks.
>>321725074
Their "wheel" is so stupid. I can't believe a team of AAA "professionals" came up with such a needlessly restrictive, thoughtless interface.
>>321730936
What? You don't need to kill everything in the Institute rout.
Just the BoS, who quite frankly would be hostile to the Institute no matter what unless they were willing to hand over all of their advanced tech and join them, and the Railroad, a faction that was created for the expressed purpose of fighting the Institute.
this is the only beth game i stopped midway through.
even skyrim had something going for
>>321731154
A lot of the choices seemed like they were made by a committee or based on what focus groups voted for.
Why include base building, if the only real difference it makes in gameplay is creating a few extra shops?
Why make a backstory that puts you on one track (loving parents seeks his baby and revenge for the killing of beloved spouse), and then give the player the opportunity to flirt with every npc and start building up their skills however they like?
And yes, why include a dialogue wheel where the sarcastic answer is always unclear (never know if you'll sarcastically agree, disagree or just make a sarcastic comment), where one of the answers is pointless when doing transactions ("not now" or "later" has absolutely no reason to be there)?
>>321731240
So, you actually do need to kill everyone?
As the minutemen are just fucking ragtag rednecks of the commonwealth? Barely being a faction?
Yeaaaah, i'd like to introduce you to the concept of power, meaningful choices, and such. The institute has this so wrong assbackwards logic it hurts to even to think about it.
>>321731970
The Minutemen represent the areas general population.
The Brotherhood is a foreign faction, and the Railroad is pretty much just a bunch of guys hanging around in their super secret clubhouse. There's only a handful of named characters in all of the factions.
The places with actual subsistence Diamond City, Goodneighbor, Vault 81 are not directly involved in the war between the joinable factions.
>>321732715
Okay, consider the following: The minutemen would be exterminated as well, if they weren't incompetent country hick redneck fuckers, with some synth informants and whatnot in the general populace.
Why destroy your main source of rumors/gossip/information?
The only reason there's no quest to kill the minutemen is because they are the FALLBACK faction, so that you can't completely fuck up the STELLAR, VARIED STORY Shithesda has churned out.
>>321716549
Fuck off, Reddit.
>>321732997
I'm not really sure why you're focusing so much on the Institute here.
Joining all three of the major factions requires the destruction of the other two. And with the Minutemen you can either only destroy the institute or destroy all three of the factions.
The Institute doesn't move against them because you, as the General, don't redirect their attention from the more immediate threats like raiders and mutants towards the Institute, meaning that they're no threat to them. When you do move them against the Institute they do try to destroy them.
>>321733605
I'm focusing on the institute because they are more retarded than the other factions.
"We are humanity's last hope, now get back to flipping burgers, synth subhuman trash!"
"B-but we are your children, Father!"
"FUCK OFF BACK TO THE HEATER."
"But surely my SS parent will approve of my actions, then again, i might not even be really Shaun as i couldn't have ordered my own kidnapping as an infant, and the other person who could have done it was around 10 at the time."
"Please approve of me, SS"
"But you herd synths back and don't let those with high cognitive functions be free."
"THEY DESERVE TO DO BURGERS BECAUSE I'M THEIR FATHER, CREATOR, AND I DESERVE EVERYTHING! I'M BETTER THAN THEM."
"Yeah, fuck you."
>with the minutemen you have to destroy one or all
Yes, well that's the biggest problem. No peace option, no neutral option, no uninvolvement option, etc.
You also can become the director of the institute, and insticucks claim you "better" it overall, when it's apparent you don't. You can't.
"To fix the institute, you have to kill everyone else with a better chance than nothing."
>minutemen
Fuck i hate preston, i hate the minutemen, etc. Why is F4 SO SHIT.
>>321734018
Not sure why you're after a peace option, all three of the major factions are irreproachably opposed to each other.
It's like crying that you couldn't broker peace between NCR, House and Ceaser in NV. Or that there wasn't an option to not get involved in the battle for the dam at all.
>>321724395
Don't blame the game, blame bethesda.
>>321734525
literally the same difference
>>321734391
No, it's like crying about the cut option of brokering peace with YesMan/House, BoS and Khans, Families, etc.
>caring about NCR or the Legion
wew, kek, etc.
>Unarmed is fucking garbage now
>Everything you do can be blocked or interrupted in one way or another
>No leg sweep
>No sand toss
>No special moves as the skill increases
>mfw my old favorite skill is fucking garbage now
>>321734751
And they probably cut the BoS/Mr House peace because the two factions were just as irrecoverably opposed as the Institute and BoS were.
The BoS can't suffer anyone having fancier toys then they do after all.
>>321723327
The problem about the railroad is that they don't give a damn shit about humanity.
The minuteman is trying to survive.
The Institute is trying to help the world with synths and technology.
The BoS, while they don't really care about commonwealth, at least they're deploying troops to fight off mutants and shit.
And then you got railroad trying to liberate some fucking synths.
>>321734958
Even then, as a roleplaying game, you, as the fucking director, or close relative intendant of the director(Father/Shaun/nigger) should be able to talk them out of killing everyone.
If it's for the betterment of everyone, then peace is a possible solution. They are extremist superiority complexions in skin. They are not a good option.
Roleplaying, writing and overall all RPG aspects of F4 sucks ass.
>>321735079
Slavers were a major faction in 3, but there's no slavers in 4.
What if the Railroad is the successor of an older faction that destroyed the slave trade in the Commonwealth?
>>321735079
Literally the only reason i did any railroad quests was because of ballistic armor, Running around with 170DT at level 13 is far too much fun.
>>321734942
>Unarmed is fucking garbage now
man kills legendary deathclaw with one punch.webm
>>321735153
>you should be able to convince people whove been at war for 200 years or so, with completely different ideologies to just go "lol okay"
im trying to imagine how hilariously stupid this would go
>speech check 100: cant we all just get along?
>>321735330
>webm not found
ironic
>>321735405
That's Bethesda talking out of you.
Obsidian at least has decent options in cases.
Several speech and skill checks, why the fuck not? The system is present, let's use it.
>>321721663
>The Institute is literally The Master with a shiny plastic coating
They always deserve the nuke
And they further prove that Mobius was right just like the Think Tank did
>>321735501
Because brokering peace between the NCR and the Legion, two ideologically opposed factions, was totally in NV.
>>321721663
Super Mutants aren't created through radiation though.
Then again, these are the same writers who made Jet a pre-war drug.
>>321735480
don't pretend you haven't seen it faggot
>mfw first saw it on stonewall008's facebook
>>321735330
I should clarify, It's "good" but it isnt at all fun compared to NV
>>321735717
i really havent.
>using facebook
>>321735729
Nah, I agree with you. Just found it funny.
>Hurr facebook is cancer guise am I not a tool now?!/1?
i hope the dlc and mods early 2016 are worth.. i li bought this game for nothing. there's lit nothing to do and the settlement building is a joke
>>321735672
No, they're saying that their experiments are running into issues because the subjects have to much radiation exposure. You know, something that's accurate to the older games actually.
>>321716549
Because this is what actually makes it a morality choice. This is literally a textbook example of one.
laser gun could be acquired at a normal trader independtly of the ufo easter egg in fallout 2
aliens are canon
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>>321720367
I think it was implied your hero-ness rubbed off on him. You're forgetting that dog was around when you were a kid.
>>321718345
He apparently gave less fucks about killing Nora than Kellogg did.
is there even a point to playing this game again or should i just wait til the dlc + mods?
>Doesn't give a shit about his mom dying, continues using Kellogg even after Coursers are available
>Says the Institute saved him yet doesn't even bother to save you, instead using you as an experiment just to see what happens while fully expecting you to die
>After going through ridiculous lengths to find him with nothing but love for your child to go on, he welcomes you by sending you on a life threatening mission right back to the commonwealth
>Keeps saying that The Institute will save humanity or some other stupid bullshit while murdering people and creating super mutants
I snapped that fucking faggots neck
Who gives a fuck about some fuck off you never even knew? Oh wow, he's your son, who cares, it's clear you never knew him. It's not different than being black and not having a father.
Also Shaun is a stupid fucking name, especially for the 'villain' who wants to nuke Boston.
Fucking stupid, Shaun.
>>321735079
BoS is literally /pol/ and they actually care about fixing the commonwealth as well as the entire post-nuclear america. There's literally NOTHING wrong with killing off raiders, supermutants, ghouls and synths. For some reason pretty much every single follower except for Curie hates you for joining Brotherhood.
Railroad is a fucking leftist cancer that needs to be wiped.
>>321736308
It's not like he knew her or had a single memory of her. Hell, I'm pretty sure he was raised without knowing where he really came from based on how he talked.
>Institute kidnaps Shaun because they need someone untainted by magic I mean radiation for reasons
>Literally picks the baby and couple that ate a face full of nuke just before entering the vault
>Kills everyone else because reasons, even ones that weren't exposed to the nuke
wew lad
>>321722398
>the point of this roleplaying game
>is to be locked into this one role
>Brotherhood is /pol/ retards playing Space Marine
>Railroad are SJW's who have no plans for the future at all other than sucking synth cock
>Institute are LITERALLY more morally than Caeser's Legion
>Minutemen do absolutely fucking nothing
Who wrote these factions holy shit. It's like New Vegas but everything is terrible and you lose no matter what
>>321722825
I overprepared for the brother hood fight, so they all died extremely quickly.
>have the bigger explosions mod
>Destroy the Brotherhood fight is now all about avoiding kamakaze vertibirds raining down from the sky
>>321736771
Kellogg didn't know Nora either and yet his reaction was more human than Shaun's. And Shaun definitely knew that this was his mom and what happened to her.
And what's the deal with giving the synth kid Shaun to Kellogg only to take him away after some time?
>>321736952
>everyone except the main protagonist
why
>>321737027
morally wrong
>first playthrough
>the son I've been looking for all game is working for the institute
>he's kind of a dick but let's see if working for them clears things up
>read some terminal notice saying he's excited to see me, decide to keep working with them
>so the institute doesn't seem evil, it's just some for the greater good bs
>begin to feel like I'm being used, especially when father says I'm doing Kellogg's work
>okay the twist that I'm being used has to come up soon
>btw I have cancer and I'm putting my parent in charge
>okay so he's just a stem autist and I'm going to be the boss
>he seems genuinely happy that he got to meet me on his death bed
>post-game institute is a hollow lifeless mess
>reload and side with the brotherhood
The writing in this game was so bad that this shit isn't even worth arguing over. I guess you could go for the ass pull that father's plan was to turn you into the leader the institute needed by making you go through everything to find him, so he was just using you to further his goals the entire time. I'm not willing to give bethesda's writers that much credit though.
>Can handle Benny in a bunch of different ways
>Can handle Captain Crunch in exactly one way
Bethesda is so fucking incompetent it hurts my niggardly soul.
They literally cannot even copy something that a previous game did without cocking it up with Emil's hideous fucking writing.
Emil Pagliarulo could not write himself out of a fucking paper bag without filling it with plot holes, nonsensical character motivations, blatant fucking stupidity, and a screaming hell of zero internal consistency even within the same fucking game, much less previous games.
>>321737643
The worst part is how terribly Kellogg was fleshed out compared to Benny. The game says he's a scumbag but then actually shows how much of one he is when he double crosses the Khans, then you can discover all the Yes Man stuff and how he's planning a coupe on House. But his personality still shows the whole time. like when he gets caught at the fort because he refused to ruin his hair for the disguise
Kellogg was fucking terrible up until the memory sequence, which was just a generic as fuck "yeah he's a bad guy but he had a hard life so give him sympy".
>Entire characterization is that he's the baddest merc in the commonwealth
>The one job we see him do is to get Shaun since he's uncomntaminated or whatever
>Proceeds to kill 33% of the clean gene pool because his helper can't wrestle away a baby, so he shoots your spouse instead of just restraining them
>N-no, he's not incompetent, he's super badass!
wew lad
>>321737027
Minutemen are just your libertarian paradise. I just wish there was more quests where you team up with a group and kill behemoths or something.
>>321737027
>caesar crucified and enslaved, but brought stability and unity to the eastern tribes
>the enclave spent most of their time annihilating wastelanders, but did so to bring back america and a proper vision of old
>the master turned everyone into super mutants, but he did so with the vision of humanity being unified as super mutants able to survive in the wastes
>the institute is just fucking everything up with no real idea of what they are doing
It's actually impressive that they made an even worse faction.
>>321738495
>>the institute is just fucking everything up with no real idea of what they are doing
>>321738495
They pretty much completely forgot to add a silver lining to The Institute
If you only care about personal gain it's fine, but House had the same benefits while at least legitimately trying to improve things
>>321716549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JghkG4WydNk
>>321739430
>>321739430
what did he mean by this
>>321720458
I really don't understand why Bethesda did this, i mean, whe know it's a robot with personality, programmed to be like that, why would i want that piece of thrash pretending it's my son when i already met the guy, even if i saded with the institute and was destroyed anyway and you had to escape and met this little trash can?
Please help me out here, why would i take that robot with me? i just don't get it.
>>321722398
>brotherhood of Steal
