ITT games that ruined the series
Fire Emblem was mediocre trash before Awakening came and made it good.
>>321676001
Ruined how?
Alright, you start.
>>321676001
>People honestly think Awakening making waifufaggotry canon ruined the series
Motherfuckers were shitposting about Lyn and Mia and all that LONG before marriage was a game mechanic.
>>321676001
by "ruined" do you mean "saved"?
>>321676093
By 'good' you mean traded its fanbase for a more lucrative one (otakus).
>>321676168
Threadly reminder that this game was that started the Zelda cycle.
Yeah awakening was pretty bad. Why would they fuck up a 3D FE when they already did it succesfully with the gamecube one?
>>321676001
Awakening is a bad game but it didn't ruin the series because Fates is good.
The series plot had so much fucking promise.
>>321676001
>>321676218
Yes, some people did. Thanks to Awakening waifufaggotry dominates the discussion even on normalfag sites, because that's now the series' big appeal and not just a bonus
>>321676409
Any "promise" was lost after the first one.
>>321676392
Awakening > Fates in both gameplay and waifus
>>321676409
Isn't IV generally considered the best game in the franchise though?
LttP/OoT
Not because they're bad, they're great, but every game afterwards tries to be just like them
fire emblem awakening is a good game
>>321676619
To some.
>>321676608
>>321676710
This is some dank bait right here, boys.
>Fire Emblem is dying
>Awakening saves the franchise with the power of Waifu
>Fates sets up to double on that success with headpats for little sisters
>Headpatting is removed from the Western release
>Waifufags brought in by Awakening are infuriated
>Oldboys already gave up on the series
>The brief glimpse of life the series had is snuffed out finally
R.I.P. in peace Fire Emblem it was nice knowing you.
>>321676664
I've started playing Zelda 2 recently, it fucking pains me we'll never get a 2D Zelda game like it ever again.
Same pain applies to Mario 2.
If you're honest with yourself, you'll agree.
>>321676250
Otaku games routinely sell less than Fire Emblem did before Awakening. Awakening has sold so much because it is a better game.
>>321676619
It is, and rightly so, but there was a plot building throughout the first four games, and AC3 just fucking torpedoed it. They were very clearly building toward some sort of modern day or futuristic Assassin's Creed game, and then Ubisoft said "no wait we want to just keep making these games forever instead."
How to train your dragon 2
>>321676619
Brotherhood is the best AC game. IV is a rad pirate game with annoying Assassin's Creed parts.
>>321676001
This is the game that set the otaku shit to max, awakening just paved the way
>>321676861
Resident Evil 4 is simultaneously the best and worst thing to come out of the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox era.
It's not a bad game, but 2D Zelda > 3D Zelda.
>>321676001
Pretty much every 3DS instalment of a Japanese IP.
>>321677106
Yeah, but fates has plenty of good strategy gameplay and good maps along with the otaku shit.
I like both, so I'm happy.
>>321676001
>saved the series from being canned
>ruined it
If this is about waifus and such, they existed long before, in threads that graced /v/ prior to Awakening there were constantly post about waifus and people being casual and talking about how many restarts it took to keep a unit alive or roll good stats.
>>321676861
RE4 is the best game in the RE series.
It also ruined resident evil.
It was the best mix of horror with slightly more action than previous entries. Capcom saw that 4 was loved for taking a slightly more "action" approach, and they kicked into full retard mode after that with 5 and 6 and just fucked the series over hardcore. The story also got fucking retarded after 4.
>>321677463
everyone says this, but can you please say how it has good gameplay and maps? Does it have things like fog/breakable walls/magic triangle/etc from the old games? Didn't it remove weapon durability?
>>321677301
So tired of this meme. 2D Zelda is great but 3D Zelda is so much better.
>>321677463
Even despite the headpatting feature that /v/ complains about, the waifus in Fates aren't even that trope heavy as the ones in Awakening barring a few exceptions like Maid Sumia.
Awakening's waifus were just walking, excessive anime tropes because they were that desperate to make people love them and keep the series alive.
>>321677734
No. The game boy games plus ALTTP are so much better than the 3D games.
>>321677668
>Didn't it remove weapon durability?
This is a good thing because now there are limited quantities of each weapon. So now you gotta be smart about who gets for example the brave sword instead of decking everyone out with one.
>>321677448
>implying 8 and 9 are worse than 7
>>321677668
>Does it have things like fog/breakable walls/magic triangle/etc from the old games?
No but it actually has things that actually have an impact on the gameplay not ineffective shit like the magic triangle.
Magic has been integrated into the regular weapon triangle and has advantage over bows and axes so there are targets it's useful against.
>>321677668
I'm not too far in myself, but so far its an improvement over Awakenings "Kill all the enemy units to proceed"
Yes it did ditch weapon durability which is kinda dumb imo.
>>321677950
>8 worse than 7
How could anyone think this? 8's shittiness is only surpassed by 2 and the Lightning Saga. And I would even go as far as to say XIII-2 might be slightly better.
>>321676250
are you fucking retarded? fire emblem always was anime style character since 1
>>321676361
>they already did it succesfully with the gamecube one?
They didn't though.
The Wii one is the only good 3D one. PoR is even worse than Awakening. Both are completely devoid of strategy but at least Awakening is good for waifufags. PoR isn't good for anyone.
>>321676619
IV is an amazing game, but a mediocre AC game. It would have been even better if it wasn't an AssCreed game.
>>321678030
Certain magic was always useful against certain enemies.
This change was still good though imo.
>>321676829
>>Headpatting is removed from the Western release
Is this confirmed? If so thank goodness, I hate censorship usually but that shit was fucking creepy.
Let's post an obvious one to get it out of the way.
>>321678306
Sounds like someone didn't get enough headpats as a kid.
>>321677950
They are.I actually like 8 and it isn't as bad as /v/ likes to say it is, but it's when the roller coaster started going downhill. 9 and 10 is when the decline became really apparent.
>>321677668
Yes, the maps are a lot better in the Nohr route at least. They're not just wide open spaces and actually have more objectives than kill all enemies. And no durability is now counter-balanced by certain weapons lowering your stats after using them. Like Silver weapons will lower your speed.
>>321678152
PoR is really easy but it at least had more strategy than "throw two paired up units at the enemy and win" in Awakening. Also PoR actually made Rout maps interesting by making you take out reinforcements fast before you lost all your Bonus Exp.
Awakening is a great game and the majority of it's systems were present in past entries. With that said, without Awakening Fire Emblem would have stopped being made and faded into obscurity, except now we're getting Atlus crossovers, more Fire Emblem games, etc.
You're just butthurt it brought more waifufags to an already big waifufag series, deal with it you fucking baby.
>>321678306
It's their culture you fucking faggot. There's nothing wrong with headpatting, its what they do in Japanese culture to show they care about each other.
Stop being such a cultural Marxist and accept that other countries have things that are completely rational and normal even though your cancerous american culture thinks its icky.
>>321676001
That isn't 2, 5, 8 or 10
>>321678306
>replying to bait
>>321678503
>Stop being such a cultural Marxist and accept that other countries have things that are completely rational and normal even though your cancerous american culture thinks its icky.
Do you not get the entire fucking point of localization?
>>321678503
There are countries where you can buy child sex slaves, too. You probably think that should be allowed in games too.
>>321678306
Melee ruined that series though. If Melee was more like 64, Brawl or 4...well it wouldn't have fucked up the fanbase.
>>321678152
PoR is fine if you don't use mounted units
ITP character that ruined a game
>>321678503
Americans don't even think it's creepy, we headpat kids all the damn time.
It's just people who think it's nothing but "muh creepy weeb shit", and those people were retarded to begin with.
>>321678643
Careful not to fall for it
>>321676001
Literally dogshit.
>>321678737
anime tiddies tho
>>321678626
>Comparing depictions of headpats to extreme human rights violations.
I don't have the appropriate reaction.
>>321678501
Awakening is a Strategy RPG without the strategy part. I don't see how anyone can think it's well-designed unless it was literally their first Fire Emblem game.
>>321678501
I'm surprised it took just one game to make another Nintendo IP popular
>>321677734
I agree. Some 2D fags on /v/ are really noisy when it comes to 2d vs 3d.
>>321678618
Yeah, they're supposed to translate it so I can understand it, not giving censor the shit out of it to appeal to worthless soccer mom normalfags.
>>321678798
If you're implying that the majority of other Fire Emblem games were hard or took any amount of real strategy then you're bad at games.
Fire Emblem hasn't had any strategy since Radiant Dawn, that includes the DS remakes.
>>321678808
Lucina does wonders man.
>>321678737
This desu. Camilla and her intro cutscene are the embodiment of everything wrong with modern FE
>>321678747
It's the facepetting and the reactions from the characters being pet that feel creepy, not the headpats specifically.
It's normal to bathe young children but if you put bathing naked prepubescent children in a game as a minigame I would consider that creepy as well.
>>321678886
>Yeah, they're supposed to translate it so I can understand it
No, that's translation. Localization is translation and tweaks to make it fit the cultural standards and norms of the country it's being localized for. If you want to argue that they've taken localization too far by removing headpatting, fine, but what you're saying now conveys a fundamental misunderstanding of what localization is.
>>321678737
I hope she gets censored in the Western release.
Her design literally triggers me.
>>321678105
8 was a good game terrible party members aside
>>321678072
>Yes it did ditch weapon durability which is kinda dumb imo.
Nah weapon durability was pretty pointless except for legendary weapons and staves. But every weapon in the game shouldn't have to follow the rules for sake of a handful in my opinion. Plus the games(except fates) always hand you way more gold than you'll ever need to spend on weapons.
What they do instead with the weapon flaws and legendaries basically being about as strong as Silver weapons just with no downside and a small stat boost(s) is better in my opinion.
>>321678886
What I really don't understand is why they don't make it optional.
That way the puritans can play their clean game and the weebs can play the original game, include both and make everyone happy.
>>321677668
there are debuffs to you're weapons instead otherwise the player just buys a ton of powerful weapons and rapes endgame with them. It adds more strategy than it takes.
>>321679034
Kids aren't supposed to have reactions to essentially being headpatted and told good job?
Guess kids or people aren't supposed to feel good at about anything, lets all be mindless robots!
>>321679238
It is optional, you can even remove the building that lets you access it from your hub.
>>321678984
I'm not talking about difficulty. Fire Emblem 2 is a hard game but it's still not well-designed because it suffers from the same exact problems as Awakening: wide, empty maps where all you do is mindlessly kill enemy units without any thinking about your unit placement and only counting on numbers to win. Not to mention all maps being Rout in both games. That gets extremely dull.
Just take a look at FE8. It's easy as fuck, it has grinding like Awakening, but that game at least has maps with well thought out layouts. You have to think about where you place units in that game still and develop strategies.
>>321679120
Sorry but nope.
It's already been confirmed that her outfit is unchanged in the Western release.
If they ever make a Fire Emblem game without any dating sim elements then I think we'll really see where the fan priorities are.
>>321679642
>tits are safe
based NoA
>>321679002
>>321679120
>this level of samefaggotry
>>321678618
Localization is translating something to a new groups understanding. (Jokes/references etc.) It is not translating something to fit what to you perceive to be their moral values.
>>321679451
quit being so fucking disingenuous. the headpatting and facetouching minigame is weird. Whether or not it should be removed for the NA version, it's fucking weird.
>>321679642
Hopefully they'll at least remove the cutscene.
You know which one.
Disgusting.
>>321679642
If FE:Fates somehow makes it to the West without any censorship I'll buy all three of it. Otherwise I won't buy one of it.
>>321679642
Did NoA finally listen?
I'm okay with their memes here and there if no content is changed or removed.
>>321679669
not gonna happen
>>321676001
Tricky bait. It wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't a good fit emblem game. Tiki literally solo'd maps by tanking everything...
>>321676861
I had too much fun playing it to complain about it. Bought it for the cube and Wii and I regret neither purchase. I lost count of how many times I beat it around 40.
>>321679719
Keep telling yourself that, boyo.
Whatever helps you sleep.
:^)
>>321679582
Awakening's maps are well designed its just the strategy to beat it on the higher difficulties is beyond most players so they think they have to rely on broken characters to beat it which masks the quality of the design.
>>321679669
The dating is the crux of the series now.
SRPG comes second to most fans now
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>>321676001
>>321679768
Someone never got headpatted as a child.
>>321679827
So do all the characters of Awakening, Hector solo'd maps too. Hell a lot of FE characters can solo shit.
>>321679768
not really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbwNKsLfTg
>>321679915
*To add to this I really think they should have considered patches for the game. The problem was specific imbalances/exploits and not the maps themselves.
>>321679120
Must be hard being gay.
>>321677301
your a idiot
>>321680326
>don't fall for lewd girl shit
>lol ur gay
shaking my head to be honest family
>>321676619
to people who haven't and don't play AC games
see casuals
>>321680235
It's exactly like the Meet n Fuck system, left arm -> right arm -> face -> titties
I love it
>>321680181
>So do all the characters of Awakening, Hector solo'd maps too. Hell a lot of FE characters can solo shit.
maybe if you play on easy with cheats and grind
In awakening you can breeze through it with absolutely no trouble. Meanwhile other Fire Emblem games had actual tactics and planing, and wasn't just put characters into pairs and shove them on a open field
>>321680850
AC is casual.
>>321681241
Not until it became a yearly release and really the quality started to drop after Brotherhood
Revelations was pretty bad, AC4 was a happy mistake, but AC3, Unity and Syndicate are just dog shit.
>>321676849
If there was ever a game that needed an HD remake, it would be Zelda 2.
Keep the gameplay the same, just make it prettier and maaaybe tweak it so it doesn't get batshit hard like 20 minutes into the game, and that's it.
>>321681762
>replace cutscenes with gameplay
>ruin the series
>>321679120
>She's apparently a dragon rider or something similar
>wears crotch less pants with exposed panties
like, why? WHY?! Riding a saddle with that would be actual torture.
>>321678737
Tatsu
Beating a dead horse and getting the obvious one out of the way. Thanks IT.
>>321681551
nah man, those games were always casual. I loved them, but they were always really easy.
Also, Revelations was alright, just too similar to Brotherhood. Syndicate is okay too.
>>321676893
>it sells big so it must be better
I fucking hate people like you who don't know how to think critically.
You fucking dumpling.
>>321676861
It's the only good Resident Evil, but I can see why people say it isn't really RE.
>>321681945
Super Paper Mario killed the franchise, this just buried it and ensured it had no hope it returning to its former glory.
>>321678886
So how come you didn't bitch when your precious Japan censored all of the modern Fallout games
>>321681945
Sticker Star is a great game though and even if it isn't better overall does some things better than all three of the previous ones.
>>321678941
4 was worse.
>>321681840
> Cut out any remaining story
> replace with bland fetch and kill quests
> Useless Motherbase
> Bad characters (except Quiet)
Just about ruined.
>>321682239
What did they change?
>>321681947
they were easy, but I meant "casual" as in very popular
like sports games or FPS games
>>321682427
>I meant "casual" as in very popular
Fucking hipsters
>>321682381
I'm not saying 5 was perfect, or even good. Or even finished.
But it's still a better game than the cutscene simulators trying to be movies that came before it.
>>321682103
I said it sold better because it was better not that it was better because it sold better. I doubt you even realise why the previous games could never have sold as much as Awakening did.
>>321679112
If only Xenoblade faggots heard you, anon.
>>321676001
Sakurai disagrees.
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/12/26/fe25/
>Sakurai: I really like it. When Awakening came out, I thought, this is the definitive Fire Emblem game. Until now, I’d felt every game in the series was especially good at one thing, but was lacking in another, was missing a piece, but Awakening had really good balance, or how do I say it– I thought this game was perfection, that it just felt really complete.
>>321682239
If I was in Japan I would be mad about it.
>>321682520
Opinions are opinions..
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How about this?
>>321677668
Nohr is the only route that has decent gameplay and maps.
And the quality of the maps peak early on and drop later in the route.
>>321682745
Now that's a real shitty cutscene simulator pretending to be a roleplaying game.
>>321682406
Removed almost all references to the Nukes and changed the Fat Man to the "Nuka Launcher"
Oddly enough when GRA made that Little Boy add-on for the Fat Man, that went unchanged.
>>321676001
Only thing Fire Emblem ruined was Famicom Wars
And its a damn shame since famicom has much better gameplay
>>321682878
What's wrong with the Awakening kids? Or the rest of the bottom three tiers? I wanted to use Pieri or Mozume.
>>321676001
>game that literally saved the series from being cancelled
>ruining it
>implying FE threads weren't full of waifufaggotry long before Awakening
>implying one of the most beloved FEs (4) didn't also have waifufaggotry as a mechanic
>>321683174
Amen.
>>321682920
That's some real censorship, like Hollywood removing Muslims from 90s action movies.
>>321682878
Is there one of these for Hoshido?
>>321676129
Because it got popular and it isn't his special little snowflake anymore
>>321683573
I haven't see one. Not sure it really needs one either, since Hoshido is so easy.
I have an IK one.
>>321680235
i don't want this shit just because it's boring as all hell.
>>321680596
>this is too sexy, please censor it!
>not gay
>>321683701
>>321682878
>no Paralogues except Mozume's
So you don't get children through Paralogues anymore?
>>321682239
That require me caring about the fallout franchise.
>>321684073
Children are still recruited through Paralogues.
>>321684047
you can ignore it
>>321684658
oh thank god.
>>321679642
If NoA doesn't change her design then we should at least have a boob-slider for XCX
>>321685346
why
>>321679642
>It's already been confirmed that her outfit is unchanged in the Western release.
Got any proof?
Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts
pic related was how I felt playing it
>>321680065
The Classic controller really should have been the Wii's main controller
>>321677463
And this is why KYMG lost all his credibility as an official artist
Thanks waifufags
