>game has no story
why is this allowed
I don't know Todd. Maybe you should ask yourself that question.
shitty games for smug nerds to circlejerk over while normies are having sex and going outside
Because exposition just gets in the way of the gameplay. Instead it has a strong aesthetic vision that works with the gameplay to create striking moments and characters. It'spaintematic.And it's beautiful.
>bait in the OP
why is this allowed
>>321645893
Cause its an action game, not an rpg.
>>321645893
Inline with the concept of role playing games, dark souls games feature few instances of cutscenes or exposition because the design philosophy was that the story is the actions of the player and the lore of the game is present in emergent elements like environment or enemy design.
>>321646390
>>321646142
God I hate you people. The Zeldafags of /v/.
These games were always like some bizarre death metal where the atmosphere is really good even though you might not get whats going on
Doesn't need a story. Its all atmosphere and gameplay, which it does pretty well.
That said, anyone who thinks there's any kind of coherent story is delusional with their headcanon. All they have is lore to piece together with game events
>>321646506
>metalfags
>>321646506
That's just Bloodborne, really.
>>321646506
>>321646613
When did you grow out of metal /v/?
>>321646030
LeL
>>321645893
It does have a story Anon.You were just late to the party.
>>321646652
Difference between DS and Bloodborne was that Dark souls had you walking around ruins , all the stuff you found had already happened , whoevers left is just making you run around
Bloodborne did have you as a participant and yharnam was still active , it didnt feel like everything had already happened before you arrived
I don't mind a little bait.
Gradually piecing things together about the history and world of DeS for the first time is such a profound joy.
Not every story needs to bang you over the head with its takeaway. Souls games are fun to just explore and figure out on your own.
>you like game has story
kill yourself
>the image of God is just the image of the Old One
>>321647016
>Bloodborne did have you as a participant and yharnam was still active
Sure as hell didn't feel like it. There's decrepit abandoned shit everywhere. There's no semblance of society or industry going on, it's just a mob of enemies.
>>321645893
Go watch a movie or read a book storyfaggot
>>321646709
>growing out of metal
why
>>321647016
demon's souls did it better, people were still holding on and the demon's hadn't quite won yet in some places
>>321647298
Because it's shit for angsty teens and angsty adults who wish they were still teens.
>>321645893
Because story is the least important part of a videogame. You play videogames for visual and mechanical interaction.
Go read a book, nerd.
>>321647298
It's shallow and pretentious music.
The product and the audience it is marketed to is more derivative and cookie cutter than even the most profit driven pop-country.
>>321645893
Quite honestly most video game stories are shit. Heck, nowadays most stories in media centered around simply telling a story are shit, but here developers are also expected to make a compelling game experience too.
Give the a game a great atmosphere and at least some purpose/incentive to press onward and you really don't need much more than that. I've had it with 3deep5u, snark and angst in my games.
>playing video games
>for the story
you are the cancer
I bet you bought AND defended gone home, too
>>321647557
That's like saying books are only for citing information on events and facts and shouldn't be allowed to tell stories. Why are you not allowing something to develop past its inceptional use?
>>321646709
I grew out of my mother, not fucking metal. Do you even biology?
>>321646559
I think its pretty clear that Miyazaki has at least 80% of a coherent story worked out when he makes his games. But his strength is that he can leave anything unresolved and be lauded for his vagueness. As long as the pieces in place make some sense alongside one another people can make guesses and feel involved and rewarded in some sense. So in that way he figured out a win win. He dosn't have to worry about the nitty gritty details, and the fans can feel a sense of accomplishment from their guesses.
Personally I think its great, because it allows you to be as involved in the story as you want to be, and the focus can be on the gameplay.
>>321645893
Because it's fine to not have a story.
>No Story
>Actually having story and not shoving it down your ass non-stop when you wanna play
the fuck you talking about
>>321646196
Because you fall for it.
>>321646390
>>321646142
Now could you not speak like a fucking marketer?
I have an inherent distrust for fags who speak in buzzwords.
>>321646080
Got a chip on your shoulder or something, bud?
Your imagination creates its own story within constraints of the game's ludonarrative.
>>321648430
Buzzwords is a buzzword.
Souls Games are full of Lore and Story, you just have to look for it.
>>321646142
>that pic
cringe
>>321648708
>that post
cringe
>>321646559
>All they have is lore to piece together with game events
How else would one learn about the story?
>>321647749
>>321647501
this shame and resentment IS the kind of fucked perspective you'd have after years of entry level fagcore consumption. it's YOUR fault for settling with lamb of god, attack attack, bullet for my cowboy and all other equally unimpressive bandwagoners that told you 4minute long blast beats on top of pinch harmonics and palm muted opens on drop-tuned guitars was "the real deal"
its pretentious, uninspired, lazy, haphazard, clueless, pathetic and embarrassing, just like you. you deserve the shame you fucking phonies
>>321648578
>>321645893
One could argue that they have the best stories because they are abstract and leave a lot of material up to player interpretation.
>>321647131
>i no speak engrish
go back to your own country...
>>321648920
but this is the internet, and you actually understand what he said
>>321647987
>GAMES AREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE A STORY!!!
>>321645893
>game doesn't hand hold you through the story and you have to go out of your way to find it
why is this allowed
>>321645893
Those are manly video games. Fuck stories. "Video game writers" are inane, driveling idiots who write boring cliché fucking garbage compared to the master authors of history.
What kind of fucking fool thinks, "I want to encoutner an enthralling narrative... What should I do? Oh I know, I will play VIDYA GAEM!" If I want a fucking story, I will read Shakespeare not David Gaider.
When I play video games, I want them to be like Ys: Oath in Felghana. They should have a simple plot that is barebones enough to drive the game and that's it, where 97% of the substance of the game should be interesting, fun, game-play with challenging levels and very satisfying climaxes such as boss fights.
If you play FUCKING VIDEO GAMES for the fucking STORY, you must be a Class A fucktard.
>>321649023
Uhm, er, go back to your own country, hm? Why don't you go back to your own country, eh?
>>321648913
>miyazaki has specifically stated that each game has a clear cut story
lorefags actually believe this
>playing souls for the STORY
>not the tight controls, the movesets and combos, the environments and aesthetic or the music
I shiggy diggy doo!
>>321649191
>combos
wut
>>321649143
>You can't play a game and enjoy a good story at the same time
undertale is better game and WITH story unlike these tryhard edgy gaems (read: souls series and memeborne)
>>321645893
Because it isn't necessary.
>>321649038
>GAMES AREN'T ALLOWED TO NOT HAVE A STORY
See i can meme arrow too famalam
>>321649219
yeah, certain weapons have sort of strange, funky combes that can be used.
I think the lorefucks should be thrown in a volcano, BUT the combat is tight as fuck, (minus a few hitbox issues)
>>321649090
I got this the first time I played and killed her on sight because I didn't realise what had actually happened
>>321649267
Please tell me 1 single video game that has writing on par with Catch-22.
>>321648913
Most people who play the games are too autistic and not creative enough to interpret anything to make it more interesting.
>>321649219
R1 spamming sorcerer detected
>>321649174
>>321649389
Point was that theres room for both story driven games and games with minimal story
>>321649507
Please tell me 1 single book that has immersion on par with Tetris.
>>321649507
>catch-22 is probably its favourite book
lol
Story driven games don't have to have amazing stories, all that matters is that they are engaging
>videogames are badly written
when will this meme die
>>321649534
>anime
Ehrmm, why won't you keep that in your own country, hm? Why do you have to bring it to my country, huh?
>>321649656
John Carmack doesn't know shit about video games, tho. He's just a tech guy, not a designer.
>>321648823
>lamb of god
>4minute long blast beats on top of pinch harmonics and palm muted opens on drop-tuned guitars
>>321648823
>Not listening to A7X while you slit your wrists and sink in depression
>>321648784
Game events is 90% killing things, 5% ringing bells and 5% opening doors. Real storytelling there.
>>321647749
I use to listen to metal,and still do at timesthis is so true its not even funny. Most fans will absolutely refuse to listen and enjoy anything that isnt metal, which is just close minded and moronic.
>>321649806
He has made the best competitive video game series of all time, fool.
All of the Souls games have a story. They're simple, but they're present. Basic motivations to get the plot moving, and they're clearly laid out to you. You're never just doing random things for no reason (Other than Dark Souls II, which had a shit story)
The setting and lore, however, is pretty obscure and fed to you through item descriptions, bits of character dialogue and implications from the environment itself. They require a bit of imagination to fill in the gaps, and that's what makes the setting of the Souls games so great.
Story is not the same as setting.
>>321649907
>implying those don't tell what you need to know about the story
I'm sure you wanted Kirk to yell "I'M COLLECTING HUMANITY FOR THE FAIR LADY WHO IS ACTUALLY THE DAUGHTER OF THE WITCH OF IZALITH! BY THE WAY, SHE'S THE BED OF CHAOS NOW"
>>321648320
Nigger no BB might have 80% story same with Demon souls but dark souls at max is 50% story
>>321645893
>story is there to be found,
>doesn't shove it down your throat
>open to interpretation
This is the best way of storytelling in games hands down.
Also OP is a faggot
>>321649540
>he needs cinematic, spoken, idiot-proof exposition to slay the hostile fire spider
these games are not for you. go back to undertale, I hear it's very accessible and hospitable to the weeping pussy crowd
>>321650080
John Carmack didn't make Quake 2.
>>321650118
>Story is not the same as setting
/thread
>>321647218
Well those beast hunters and what not were human a few hours ago. It was kinda like you walked into the apocalypse half way through it.
>>321647218
Oh, all those people I talked to and brought to the chapel weren't part of any society or industry.
Thanks for clearing that up.
>>321650080
John Carmack is credited in every game as a programmer.
>>321650237
Can you not read? I said there was room for both types of games, I don't 'need' cutscenes to be in every game I play.
>>321650536
I'm not reading your braindead hand-holdy bullshit, I came here to crush vermin and you're part of the problem
>>321650148
>y-you're just s-spoonfed cause nothing is explained in the game! (Yeah, I got him good!)
Why is this the first thing that Soulsfags jump to when they get told that there is a total lack of story for a major MC
But it does have a story:
Demon's Souls
>Boletaria, an advanced and glorious land, was overcome by a mysterious fog that creates Demons.
>The fog and demons have a source: The Old One.
>To reach the Old One, you must become the strongest demon and present yourself to it. Once you gain access, you will kill it
>To become the strongest demon, you must slay demons and take their souls, strengthening your own
>Eventually you do so, and reach the Old One. You are presented with a choice.
Dark Souls
>You are an Undead. Cursed to live forever, eventually losing your mind and going hollow.
>As an Undead, you have been locked away in a remote Asylum forever.
>A mysterious Knight releases you from your cell
>Upon finding the Knight, he tells you of a prophecy from his homeland
>In this prophecy, a "chosen undead" will escape an asylum, and ring the "Bell of Awakening". When this is done, the eventual fate of the Undead will be revealed.
>Either out of respect for the last wishes of your rescuer, or out of genuine interest in the prophecy, our character decides this is a good idea
>The character rings the two bells of awakening, and a character named "Kingseeker Frampt" emerges.
>The Kingseeker congratulates you on your success, and names you the Chosen Undead. Destined to take the mantle of the current God-King
>To take this mantle and reach the God-King, you must retrieve the Lordvessel from the city of the Gods. The path to the city has now opened as a result of ringing the bells
>The player retrieves the Lordvessel and returns to Frampt
>Frampt then explains that to use the Lordvessel, the four Souls of Lords (Which were explained in the intro) must be retrieved. One of them has been split into two
>The character retrieves the four Souls of Lords and activates the Lordvessel
>The character fights the God-King, and takes on his mantle
I don't remember the story of Dark Souls II off the top of my head, and I'm still playing Bloodborne.
>>321649761
>anime
>on 4chan
lurk more
>>321650674
>I am incapable of reading 15 words
Why are you even alive?
>>321645893
>game has gameplay
why is this allowed
>>321645893
>muh lore
>>321649191
>DeS
Don't know, haven't played it.
>DaS1
Start Age of Dark or prolong Age of Fire.
>DaS2
Something weird about kings and souls that I didn't really follow
>BB
Weird infertile aliens having to rape humans to procreate
There's definitely a plot to all of them, just up to the player whether or not they care enough to put all of it together.
>>321650875
4chan is american. Anime is for gooks. Why can't they just keep it in their own country? If you want to talk about anime, go back to your own country
>>321650674
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Ancient Pthumerians sired bastard children and upset the Moon Presence. It cursed them with vermin in their blood that turn them into beasts. This is the root of the plague of beasts. Thousands of years later, scholars of Byrgenwerth discover this blood and other things inside the gigantic subterranean labyrinth that housed the Pthumerians. At some point during all of this, the first beasts were found and Gehrman took up arms and founded the workshop and took apprentices.
Provost Willem of Byrgenwerth deemed the old blood found in the tombs dangerous likely because of the state of ruin they found loran and the first incidents of beasts in Yharnam but Laurence disagreed and left to pursue researching it. His research into it eventually led to the discovery of the beast’s embrace rune whose implementation failed rather spectacularly and was deemed forbidden. However, this was kept secret and the church continued to popularize and spread blood ministration and old blood. In the process they infected most of the city with vermin and therefore the beast scourge.
At some point after this time Byrgenwerth also discovered the fishing hamlet and did horrible things to it in the name of research and finding eyes on the inside. Hunters and Byrgenwerth researchers murdered and kidnapped the local populace for experimentation, dissection and other fun stuff. The local great one was upset about this and laid a curse on Byrgenwerth and all its associates that leads them to go mad with blood lust and get pulled into a nightmare realm. This is the root of blood addling and the hunter’s nightmare. All this came to a boiling point when old Yharnam finally descended into a beast orgy. The workshop deployed the powder kegs while the healing church barred its gates and let things play out. The Keggers burn the place to the ground. The Keggers and most of the hunters involved went blood drunk and got pulled into the nightmare.
>>321645893
I think souls games would not benefit from having a traditional story.
A big part of what makes them good and what gives them their charm is the fact that you get thrown into a world and have no idea who you are and why you are there.
It is up to you to find out what happened in this world and what role you play in it. Through NPC interaction, item descriptions and exploring the world in general you piece together your own interpretation of the story.
For me, that is what makes the souls games so unique.
>>321651231
You arrive at the city as an outsider with an illness who is seeking blood ministration as a cure. You’re signed up as a hunter in exchange for your treatment and soon after you’re tied to the dream and the rune is etched into your mind. You are there to try to halt the Mensis ritual which is beckoning the blood moon which is exciting the beast plague and making everything turn to shit. You find out that a rogue sect of the healing church with possible Byrgenwerth ties called Mensis is using the great one child of the Pthumerians queen Yharnam to lure the Moon Presence. The Moon Presence who presides over the Hunter’s Dream you’ve been pulled into doesn’t like this and wants you to clear things up.
Once you kill Mergo by killing the Wet Nurse, Gehrman who is prisoner to the dream but also its original creator offers to release you. If you refuse this and kill him, Moon Presence tries to ensnare you and trap you in the dream instead. If you consumed enough umbilical cords, you may resist this process, kill the Moon Presence and ascend to great one status.
>>321651263
But you DO know what you're doing and why you're there.
Stop spreading this meme.
See>>321650871
The part that's obscure about the Souls games is the lore and setting, it's not like Fallout or Morrowind where there's huge amounts of worldbuilding dialogue.
>>321648823
All that projecting is proving my point.
I could say I listen to Between the Buried and Me, or I could say Mastodon, I could say Kamelot or whatever from whichever genre and we'd still be rotating our goal posts. You aren't making inspired argument accusing me of listening to whatever.
The point is, it's all very much the same. None of the drummers, guitarists or bass players are insanely talented. They all jumo on the latest sound and replicate it as fast and vigorously as possible. There is no talent behind technique. It's only imitation. That's all metal is anymore is imitation of musical sounds without any thought or consideration o structure.
>>321646080
That actually made me laugh. So true
>>321650771
What story do you lack? Everyone tells you that the age of fire is comming to an end and that the age of dark is approaching. Then you have two clear choices presented by the serpents: postpone the age of darkness or let the age of darkness come.
What story is lacking?
>>321651114
>4chan is american
top kek
>>321646080
sounds like a The Onion review
>>321646652
This. Although i can't say i don't agree with him.
>>321645893
Yea fuck Tetris, worst game ever right?
>>321646709
20. Although i still think mercyful fate is good.
>>321645893
>Hasn't bothered to look for a story in an open world fantasy game that lets you fuck about basically wherever you please
>>321650871
Dark Souls 2 story
>You're a cursed undead ventruing to a distant land to find a cure
>The Emerald warden tells you to find great souls
>Upon finding the great souls she points you to the castle and tell you seek the king
>In the castle, the queen tells you that the king failed in his duty to protect the country and now you have to kill him and retrieve his ring
>The emerald warden reveals to you that the queen is responsible for the ruin of the kingdom
>She made the king steal something from the land of the giants, when the giants fought back they ruined the kingdom
>When the king found out that the queen was evil he locked himself in crypts
>After retrieving the king signet, the emerald warden tells you that Nashandra is a splinter of a great darkness
>She tells you to kill her and link the fire again
>In the DLC you can leave the room without linking the fire
>>321645893
>Not understanding environmental storytelling
/v/ is full of retarded kiddies who need everything spoonfed to them. Same reason why /a/ hates Serial Experiments Lain.
>>321652473
Right but I thought
>You're looking to break the curse on you
>Since you're undead and hallowing you eventually forget your goal (like all the other hallows who lost their way) while the herald is telling you what to do
>You just do what she say
>>321651398
>none of the musicians are insanely talented
>mastodon
>btbam
>kamelot
there's your problem!
you're trying too hard to prove a stupid point on a topic you clearly aren't qualified to discuss proficiently. this has nothing to do with "goalposts," you just lack the experience and the worldliness that comes with said experience.
you gave it up because these bands stopped delivering and you couldn't remember why you stayed in the first place. it's okay these entry level bands don't do it for you anymore, but you should stop trying to sound like an expert on the matter when you police the topic for conflicting perspectives and you should really quit trying to claim the nonexistence of quality musicians in the genre. you are sheltered, unknowing, and worst of all, you are loud and outspoken. these are traits of an idiot. are you an idiot?
So I just beat DS2 last week and was kinda disappointed with the level design, mechanics, and a couple other thingsStill thought it was great but the weakest so far.But why do people hate to lore and story? It seems solid so far to me even though I haven't dug through the wikis yet.
>>321652473
You don't need the DLC to not link the fire? I think you need to kill king vendrick first to have that option.
>>321652830
That's your motivation. You can basically become immune to the curse, whoever you don't regain your memory, you just don't forget things anymore.
>>321649810
>>321649885
I wonder if people think these bands are Death Metal
>>321652858
You have to have the SotFS edition, not the DLC
Also people don't like the lore/story because they think it's not as good as it could have been, and that Dark Souls 1 was still way better.
>>321653117
I don't know, I think the whole story of the kings and the queens is pretty neat. Too bad you don't learn a whole lot about Drangleic.
>>321653109
note how every band name dropped in the thread is american with a bloated record label
>>321653317
I thought it was alright, a bit of a copy of the first story with minor alterations and not enough interesting lore about bosses and etc that actually ties into the story.
>>321650875
fuck off retarded weeb
>>>/a/
back to your contianment board
>>321646080
Most of my normie friends enjoy this franchise, one of them literally bought a ps3 just for demon's souls and dark souls 1 just because he liked Bloodborne so much
>>321645893
It has story.
Your problem is that you're just a casual, and you're too used to play your "we'll tell you everything, get comfy" games.
Go explore and understand your surroundings
>>321645893
Bloodborne is a spinoff it's not part of the souls series and the aesthetic design just doesn't look good next to the steel plated armor ones
>>321645893
Games aren't movies. You are the problem
>>321651418
Lack of any explanation as to why do what you're doing. Age of fire or age of darkness, it all looks like shit since everyone's undead anyway. There's no sense of impending doom whatsoever.
Simplified like that, its just a boring ass story now with a formula like a bioware game.
Seems like the only people who like the story think of it as deep, but its lack of exposition just cover up a bad story.
However, like I said, Souls stories aren't praised for story when they can lean on their gameplay mechanics that seem to catch on, even with normies now.
>>321645893
Who cares. Gameplay is always more important that story. Go watch a movie or read a book faggot.
>>321646709
When I turned 18, now it only feels appropriate for a guilty nostalgia trip. Most metal is just cringeworthy.
>>321646709
I never grew into it because I didn't have an edgy preteen phase.
>>321653850
>Lack of any explanation as to why do what you're doing
What else would you do? There's no other option. There's no way out, you can't kill yourself and waiting would only make you hollow. There's no sense of impending doom because doom already came. The world has already gone to shit. Everyone is becoming undead and the lords are all gone.
>>321650182
This may be true, but Dark Souls also has a much larger mythos than the other two.
I mean some characters in DS are extremely poorly alluded to, Velka the Crow being the one I wish was more fleshed out.
Like what the fuck is up with Velka, why is her shit in the painted world with Pricilla, why are crows so important in these games?
>>321653564
you're suppose to be agile in bloodborne, the aesthetics are great for the game itself, especially how the blood sticks to you, and how your clothes move with every movement. Comparing the armors in bloodborne to the normal souls game is like comparing apples to oranges.
