What exactly is so bad about the 3DS remake?
Uh, nothing?
nothing
Atmosphere ruined
>>321615159
>Have to use magic as Zora to swim like you used to back in the original
>Bank moved from the commercial district of the town into the bottom of the clock tower for no fucking reason despite making no sense at all
>All the bosses now have "PLEASE HIT ME HERE" spots that sprout out of their bodies, dumbing them down and removing a large amount of uniqueness from each fight
In the end not many changes were actually made so it's not an awful remake by any means, but these are straight up negative changes that absolutely make the game worse, no argument. Like, you don't even need to think about them, you just know they're fucking awful.
Yet Aonuma did it anyways.
So what I'm saying is that MM3D isn't exactly 'bad', it's just that the changes give me a deep fear of whats to come for Zelda Wii U/NX. If Aonuma is this many years into his career and is still making shit like this, we're fucked bros.
Basically, the universally accepted issues aree:
- First boss has been made piss easy, other bosses are changed for the worse and better in various ways, but almost all are negatively impacted by the giant eyeballs.
- Ice arrows can only be used to make platfoms in water in specific spots
- Zora swimming is less fun
- the new save system, while easier to understand, removes a lot of the tension the game intentionally had
Overall, I think it has enough positive changes to balance out the negative ones to make it overall as good but not better or worse then the original. The only change I think is really egregiously bad is how easy they made the first boss.
>>321615458
Is this a meme?
Because I see it in every thread and it's 300% incorrect.
I am the biggest MMfag, who fuckiing loves the atmosphere and how it reinforces the game's mechanics of how it's impossible to save everybody in on cycle to make an amazing sense of gloom and helplessness and all that pretentious bullshit, and I don't think thee atmosphere is any worse.
Hell, it's better in some spots.
>better performance all around
>higher framerate
>proper lighting sources
>higher polygon counts for everything
>smoother animations
>none of the N64 blurry texture shit
Literally everything was ruined.
>>321615458
you dipshits decided this would be the case months before the game came out. the game didn't even have to do anything to confirm or deny this claim, in true /v/ fashion it had already been decided for you.
>>321616216
>>321616153
>well informed, well-argued position
rare
>>321617062
I try
>>321617062
>someone who provides pros and cons instead of completely shitting on a game and not backing up their opinion
Yeah brah
It's still Koizumi's game, but it now has Aonuma's shit sprinkled throughout it.
>4 dungeons
Why the fuck was this ever allowed
>>321617605
Shiggy told Aonuma the only way a second N64 Zelda would be released was if he could finish it in a year. This and reusing a lot of OoT content is why MM is what it is.
>>321615159
Nothing. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
>>321615808
>and removing a large amount of uniqueness from each fight
What uniqueness? Ram into Goht till he's dead? Wow
>>321615808
>Having to use magic to swim fast makes it slightly harder if anything, and it doesn't matter much, you have magic pots up the ass
>Bank was moves 3 feet away, holy shit game ruined it's over
>Bosses have "hit me" spots, but you can only target the boss itself anyway it'sn ot like you have to aim at specific spots, and it's piss easy with or without them anyway
The only gay change are those stones that tell you what to do to progress, but most people won't ever see them, I forgot they even existed.
>>321618302
>The only gay change are those stones that tell you what to do to progress
It's an optional tutorial for casuals. How is this a bad thing?
It saves you the trouble of looking up the answer online.
>>321616153
You could stun-lock Odolwa in the original the remake at least gives him a chance to fight back. Not much but still.
>>321615159
Not bad, just underwhelming. I expected more from the game, like what OoT3D did: Master Quest and Boss Rush. MM3D just added two fishing holes for post game. At least add a hero mode or something for difficulty...
>>321618064
Fuck you, that was fun as shit.
>>321619374
And you can still do that in the remake, except this time it's to stun him and then use all sorts of weapons against the eye.
>>321618376
It's not really a bad thing, but people might think it's a normal feature and just use it and have less fun without realizing it.
>>321615159
The save system was changed.
It changes the game on a fundamental level, to the point where it outright shows disrepect for the original.
Honestly it was the reason I bought oot 3d but not this.
Well that and the other pointless changes.
>>321619709
So what?
>oh no, now it saves the game whole instead of being a temporal save
Fuck off, massive autist.
MM3D is great.
Personaly it's ok but i got used to the changes that still bother me a little.
Some Owl statues are moved and no longer need you to hit them with the sword to activate.
Some animation while smoother are also weirder because they go faster than what they should.
The real time changes and three days are shorter that the N64 version.
The garo mask is kinda lame.
All bosses have gigant eyeballs like almost every Zelda boss.
Razor blade still breaks after 100 uses.
>>321620118
Lighting and texture work was downgraded to typical grezzo shit. Everything was light and colorful making the atmosphere feel kitsch as fuck instead of downtrodden in the original.
A better framerate is inarguable, but the texture work and lighting completely ruins the atmosphere. The save system also takes away the tension. A huge part of why the game has garnered so much love over the years. I played it on release and I can assure you that people in real life and on the internet hated it and couldn't understand it at all. I saw the brillance from the beginning though. There was a certain point in the last 10 years where EVERYBODY started jumping on the MM bandwagon.
Nothing, really
>>321620491
Autism in one post.
>>321619709
FUck off dude, it's a portable version. The creators themselves said the change was done so you could play it in smaller spurts. In the original when you saved that was all your progress, it was such a fucking choir if you where in the middle of something and had to go do something. Sometimes you have to put the game down. I'm sorry not everyone can just sit around and dedicate hours to playing games you jobless basement rat.
>>321620678
>STOP CRITICIZING THINGS THAT I LIKE
Oh shit, did i strike a normie nerve?
How did the save system work? I 100% percent'd as a kid, but reading about it as an adult, I don't understand how the fuck it worked
>>321620734
>MUH ATMOSPHERE
>MUH NOSTALGIA
>MUH DARK AND GRITTY WASHED OUT SHITTY TEXTURES :((((((((((((((((
Fuck off.
they forgot to make the game good this time around
you still have to rush to do a bunch of stuff right at the beginning of the game before an automatic and super annoying game over
0/10 gameplay and game design, nintendo's worst, yes its worse than super peach
>>321620751
It save stated the game, the only long term save was resetting the time.
>>321620836
>MUH COLORFUL SWAMPS
>MUH OVER SATURATED PURPLES AND GREENS
>MUH GREZZO
>MUH EASY BOSS BATTLES
>MUH NEO-NINTENDO WHERE EVERYTHING IS MADE FOR CHILDREN
The Moon looks stupid.
It's somewhat different because it's on handheld and unlike OOT it's not a sacred gem so they took some liberties.
You should play both and then decide wich one you like the best.
>>321620491
yeah man, MM was like super dark and climatic xd
>>321620751
It saves everytime you reset the time.
And if you talk to an owl statue, it creates a temporal save that also takes you back to the main menu of the game.
>>321621087
oh man look at all this dark and gritty ATMOSPHERE like my soul in pain
>>321616216
Honestly, if you go back and compare the 3DS to the N64 version, you'll appreciate the 3DS remake more for how much it changed for the better.
>>321616153
>the new save system, while easier to understand, removes a lot of the tension the game intentionally had
Well, they had to put in that save system to make it work better as a handheld game.
>>321621087
>>321621187
>cherry picking the two locations that are mean't to be tackled at daytime
>1080P emulated screenshot
>incorrect aspect ratio
>no hardware fog
Holy shit just fucking leave the thread this is embarassing
You know what on second thought, let me point you in the right direction back to where you belong
>>>/emugen
>>>/v/
>>321620491
What a hipster fag.
> I was here before all of you
Pathetic.
>>321621034
>NEO-NINTENDO
>>321621353
>B-.B-B-B-B-B-BUT
Keep up that damage control, faggot.
>>321621454
Man, those textures don't really hold up do they?
>>321621454
Not him, but just look at Concept Art for Majora's Mask. Neon Colors, Black Shadows. It's really fucking surreal and a testament to how strange Majora's Mask is. The "le dark and gritty" shit comes from the context, not the graphics.
>>321621616
Even still, it's not like better graphics automatically ruin the atmosphere.
>>321621616
Yeah, and?
>>321621760
Finally we get a comparison pic.
And it looks like 3DS is better.
>>321620695
>Im a casual
>this thread
Holy shit the amount of cancer
>>321620695
What are owl statues?
>>321621873
>there's no difference between console gaming and handheld gaming
>>321621902
This is /v/.
What else do you expect?
>>321621846
>And it looks like 3DS is better.
>>321621902
>claims of the atmosphere being ruined in the 3ds version
>NU-UH IT WAS ALWAYS BAD HERE LOOK AT THESE 1080P PROJECT64 SCREENSHOTS I TOOK
>>321622075
Oh i'm sorry.
I didn't realize that 20fps was so cinematic and necessary to the 'atmosphere'.
>>321620695
>I'm sorry not everyone can just sit around and dedicate hours to playing games you jobless basement rat.
Why do normalfags have to ruin gaming?
>>321622075
>15fps slideshow
>better
>>321621952
Statues in the shape of an owl.
>>321622137
>muh fps
Spoken like a true pkek
>>321621712
>>321621760
Nigger I just said the graphics played no part in the Atmosphere.
>>321622179
Why>>321622202
do I have to argue with spoiled brats whose first console was the xbox360?
>>321622227
>He's fine with subpar performance
>He thinks that Assassin's Creed: Unity ran perfectly at launch because it was so 'cinematic'
Oh vas te faire encule
>>321622297
My first console was the N64 and even i think that the 3DS port is an improvement.
>>321616153
I haven't played the 3DS remake, but the Woodfall boss was always easy as fuck.
What did they do exactly that could have possibly made him easier? Did they get rid of the bugs that he sends after you?
>>321622297
>defending shitty fps because muh nostalgia
>>321622268
>the graphics played no part in the Atmosphere
Well it's not like they fucked up the sound in the 3DS port so what's the problem?
>>321619484
And that's the part that drags it down.
>>321622419
I AM NOT THE GRAPHICS ANON
I NEVER SAID THE ATMOSPHERE WAS RUINED IN THE REMAKE
>Buffed the Goron gameplay
>Nerfed the Zora and the Deku
>Ice arrows are ruined
>Bomber's Notebook is more practical
>But now the game hands out way too many hints for you to solve stuff
>Improved graphics
>But they fucking forgot about the rainbow stairs at the observatory. I'm still mad.
>Improved the way you can skip time
>The clock is also faster, so the game can be harder as well
>Gave huge eyes to every boss, which relatively improved some of them, but was detrimental to the other bosses ( it seems like no one can agree to which ones, but I feel the same way)
>Added a stupid fishing minigame
>Improved controls which carried over from OoT 3D
>Changed how you save, which is good for a handheld, but it is arguably detrimental to the game
Yup, I think this is all.
Some of the changes were unnecesary, but they also improved the game.
>>321622202
The correct answer was that they allow you to temporaly save the game if you had to put it down, but nice try.
>>321622475
oh jeez i'm sorry.
>>321621306
Putting it on the 3DS was a mistake in the first place.
>>321622347
>Assassin's Creed: Unity
Sorry I don't play shit games
>subpar performance
Entitled brat
>>321622347
>My first console was the N64 and even i think that the 3DS port is an improvement.
Thanks for the info but I already figured that you are retarded
>>321622551
What do i get for a runner up prize?
>>321622561
People wanted a Zelda Remake for a while, and Nintendo though that 3DS would be a good console for it.
>>321622591
>Entitled brat
Man you can just go fuck yourself
>>321619709
>People complained about temporary saves at the statue
>Aonuma then fixes this in the remakes with a more convenient save system
>People like you complain
I can see why he delayed Zelda U to 2016.
>>321622482
You fogot about the moon, it looks stupid.
>>321622636
>I already figured that you are retarded
Хaн Coлo был yбит eгo cын , Kylo Peн .
>>321622708
>people that didn't like the game complain about it
>people that like it don't
>remake "fixes" complaints
>people that liked it before now complain
so hard to understand
>>321620491
>Everything was light and colorful
The original MM is my favorite video game of all time. I can say with absolute certainly they didn't make anything more colorful or cheery in the remake that didn't deserve to be.
The one area I can think of is the great bay temple which is admittedly less gritty and is more illuminated.
>>321621187
>>321621087
>>321621454
You aren't any better.
>>321622360
I remember it being one of the more challenging and fun zelda bosses ever in the original, because he didn't have that many set patterns or a specific weak point, it was just a fight.
In the remake, they added deku flowers for you to bomb him from above with deku nuts with, he will literally stand still if you do this.
Even if you don't, his AI seems to be a lot more lenient, he doesn't go on the offensive as much and it's easier to approach him and get a hit in.
>>321616153
>reasonable argument on /v/Get out
>>321621846
>implying
>>321623036
>In the remake, they added deku flowers for you to bomb him from above with deku nuts with
There was always a deku flower though, did they just add more?
There are people here right now that will never experience suplexing giant desert centipedes.
>>321616153
>First boss has been made piss easy
huh no?
I remember stunlocking him al lthe time in the original, they made it have more phases and need different strategies now
>>321622645
You earnea rare piece of cropped porn!
Try again tomorrow to see if you can get the whole set.
>>321616153
>Ice arrows can only be used to make platfoms in water in specific spots
Good enough reason for me not to buy it.
So you get literally nothing for doing the fishing minigame?
>>321615159
nothing except they made giant mask link into a retarded wrestler
>>321623147
I don't think so, but now they are mandatory for you to defeat the boss.
>>321623538
>now they are mandatory for you to defeat the boss.
Not at all. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>321623147
Sorta, you should look it up
>>321623538
Nope, it just makes it piss easy
>>321623538
Not really. You can make him jump with bombs and then hit him with an arrow.
But i liked him more in N64, maybe because he atacked more.
>>321623379
Welp, I had to look for the answer myself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/majorasmask/comments/2vv8l8/any_information_out_there_about_fishing_in/
You get nothing. What a fucking let down.
>>321620491
>but the texture work and lighting completely ruins the atmosphere
You could barely see shit in some parts of the original. The lighting in the remake fixes that even though some parts are too bright.
>>321620695
Putting it on the 3ds made this issue, and its an issue that hits the game where it counts, it changes the emotional state of the player.
Also you're just blindly accepting how it was done as if that's all it could be.as if it were impossible for a superior save systems that retains the design philosophy of the original game.
A simple temp-save button in the menu would've solved this, with the song of time being a permanent save system.
Majoras Mask is one of my favourite games, and I do admire the Zelda series, but Christ you come off as a dronee.
>>321626743
Majora's Mask was never a good fit for a handheld in the first place and shouldn't have been put on one, but since it shares so much with OoT, after making OoT3D it was pretty much half done already.
And really, there was no reason to change the save system at all, if anything the 3DS would make the original system easier to use since you can just close the thing and put it in sleep mode whenever you need to stop, and keep going from wherever you were whenever you're ready.
>start the game
>skullkid takes my horse
>runs off
>I'm in control of the man
>I'm supposed to chase skullkid
>Don't know how to move
>There's a sign, just out of reach
>The sign will tell me how to run
>I can't run to it because I don't know how
>Never figure out how to move
>Return the game
In all of my life I will never figure out why they added that sign to the game.
>>321627245
Maybe you should plug the controller in.
>>321617516
>but it now has Aonuma's shit sprinkled throughout it
The fishing in particular, yes. It's very Aonuma to put useless wastes of time into things for the sake of it instead of actual challenges.
>>321619518
>but people might think it's a normal feature and just use it
This, this is a massive problem. The whole "well, you could just like, choose not to use it" argument is stupid because of this.
>>321620491
>A huge part of why the game has garnered so much love over the years.
The reason it's loved is because of the NPC schedules, something the remake gives you more viable incentive to explore because of the save system changes. The original game actively fucks over players who might otherwise be interested in exploring it for this reason.
>>321622482
>Wahh, I hate that they made the actual observatory look way better and have actual impact when you get to it, as it should have been.
>>321622734
I guess thats one way of hiding a spoiler.
