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So, now that /v/ has all agreed that Valve needs to compensate us for the tragedy that befell us earlier, what compensation should we ask for (apart from the guaranteed apology)? I'm thinking at least 10 steam bucks and a free copy of something.
are you aware shitposting is against the rules
>>321599572
I'm not shitposting, this is a genuine thread.
fuck me in the ass
>>321599646
gaben has done that already boy
>>321599646
Standard Valve procedure.
So this is that 'gamer entitlement' I've read about....
>>321600446
Entitlement for compensation from a horrible situation is not a bad thing. Why do people paint "entitlement" with such a toxic implication?
Taking undertale off steam is compensation enough
>>321599384
Gabe can start by paying Nick's bail.
Make CSGO free, like they did with TF2
>>321601017
CSGO has too much hackers already. Really dumb idea.
>>321601106
agreed.
>>321599384
where did he promise to compensate us anon?
>Caring at this point.
>>321601798
yo
if caring is about to get us free shit
why the fuck wouldn't I?
Some steambux would be nice. I'm a big fan of Valve's but this is one hell of an oversight, and there hasn't even been an apology yet. It's been over a day and they're just pretending it didn't happen.
>>321602117
Exactly, if they addressed this right away with an apology that would be one thing, but they are trying to put it under the rug. No excuses, 10 steam bucks plz.
>>321602707
Yeah, I really don't like being jerked around or treated like an idiot. A formal apology and a small token compensation would go a long way for most people, I think. I already got what I wanted from the sale, but it would still be nice.
>>321602874
See, if more people cared about consumer rights and fair treatment, this would be a non-issue. But too many Valvedrones are siding with anti-consumer ideas. How evil of them...
>>321603275
I remember getting shitposted out of a thread for bringing up consumer rights about 5 years ago. Just a stream of shit like
>consumers have rights
>laughing whores.jpg
>>321603672
how disgusting. It's like people have no standards or self-esteem anymore; perhaps there are more cucks then I originally thought....
>>321603905
That's how it is anymore. If you have any sort of standards you're an entitled basement-dwelling manbaby and probably racist and sexist too.
>>321599572
That hasn't stopped every other thread on /v/.
>>321599384
http://strawpoll.me/6372029/
>>321604208
This much salt. Are you a Valve employee by any chance?
>>321604331
Calm down OP your black skin is showing up.
Everyone's going to get a 90% on coupon for a Dota 2 full game download.
>>321604396
lol, go back to /pol/ faggot. why are you defending valves' fuckup?
>>321599384
Free steambux would be nice. 20 should suffice.
>>321604645
No damage was caused.
Nothing of value was lost.
The problem was fixed in less than a hour
also stop being a nigger, you are just using this incident as an excuse to get free shit.
>>321605048
Go home /pol/lack
>>321599384
Get raped
>>321605212
>>321605048
samefag detected?
>>321605291
No just two people who think you are a complete faggot and you should kill yourself
What have they done? Have I missed something?
>>321605484
>cache issue with steam
>no info was leaked
>/v/ lost its mind and overreacted
>OP can't stop sucking dicks
>makes this thread
>>321605484
Gave out some pretty vital personal information for over an hour. No apology or anything yet.
>>321605484
For less than two hours, people could see the name of your email and the last two digits of your credit card if it was saved on there. Nothing really crucial. Shitposters are taking the opportunity to spread misinformation, of course.
>>321605679
there was more info leaked than just email and some credit card digits. Stop lying plz.
>>321605797
>trying this hard
>>321605797
Okay, the last four digits of your phone number, your account name, and your purchase history. Again, nothing really crucial for theft to happen.
>>321605910
So in other words, a lot of information was leaked, none that can be used right away, though with some basic phishing skills could net a lot more. I see, thanks for letting me know!
>>321606015
love this meme
S O C I A L E N G I N E E R I N G
>>321606015
Stop sucking dicks OP. The semen is fucking with your brain.
You have to be the worst troll ever
>>321606065
Valve employee detected. Now be a good anon and stop shitposting.
>>321606240
>>321606334
wow, took you that long to fill the captcha?
>>321606251
Nice meme
>>321606451
Yes do something about it.
ITT: Autism
>>321599384
Agreed. Some steambux and a free game (LFD?) would go a long way for this PR nightmare
if you're so okay with people knowing your email address & last 4 digits of credit card, post it
>>321606676
Just letting you know if your reply pic is anime or MLP your opinion is worth 1/3 of a normal person.
It's an unspoken rule.
>>321606640
Agreed
>>321606546
>>321606472
>>321606334
>>321606240
>>321606065
>>321605893
>>321605792
>>321605679
>>321605606
>>321605476
>>321605212
>>321605048
Utter autism, one guy is just shitposting anti-consumer drivel...
>>321606676
don't forget name, phone number and purchase history!
>>321606776
>autism meme
Valve isn't even going to apologise to you faggots.
It's not like you weenies will ever leave them.
You already put up with all their other shit.
>>321606932
>weenies
>>321607013
weenie detected
>>321607326
>still using the term weenie to try and make it seem normal and/or cool
nobody says that on 4chan, though I gues you wouldn't know, being a newfag
>>321607493
>nobody says that on 4chan
Not that guy, but I regularly see pic related posted, and it's from a show written and produced by and for adults.
It was a shortage for about 4 or so hours on Christmas evening when most people are with their families or getting drunk. Hardly any people were probably even playing games or on the servers. Most people on Steam are probable unaware of such security breach. We'll just carry on as if nothing happened.
>Valves line of thinking, probably.
>>321599384
free copies of any valve game,
Honestly, I'd be happy to see an apology. ANYTHING considering they've had full damage control every moderator on staff warning literally everyone on Steam and Leddit not to do this that and the other until the "problem" is resolved, but nothing even remotely approaching "we're sorry."
If I don't see shit by Monday, first business day, then I'll be infuriated.
>>321608030
seems a bit lame though, considering most people probably have every valve game (there aren't that many to choose from). Steambux can be used for any game, so that would be the better course of action.
>>321608030
There are enough memelords in CS:GO.
>>321608468
Sadly, people are getting too comfortable / used to things like this [>>321606932]. Steam just shrugs it off - and doesn't even bother to communicate outward. You're 100% right - this isn't funny. It's serious business; the last thing they should do is pretend no one noticed.
>>321599384
Gimme a dlore
>>321604029
Are you samefriending?
>>321608648
It's 100% clear that everyone noticed. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to damage control.
Steam has been going to hell lately.
>3 days before they fixed the (garbage) minigame for the Summer Sale, the TV thing.
>Late as fuck Fall sale for them to announce the whole "no Flash and such" thing
>Winter sale hits with NO EVENT after 2 years of really nice winter events, just cards for purchases and slogging through the "you should buy this!" list 3 times a day.
>This.
I am genuinely considering getting cracks for all my games for the approaching crash.Which is now legal in Amerifat, britbonger, and aussie-fag lands.
>>321608648
>this isn't funny. It's serious business
Do you really think a company wouldn't take one of their own fuckups like this seriously? It was fixed within an hour, but the damage done by it was irreversible.
They really should have publicly acknowledged it though. They should have sent out an alert requiring people to change their passwords, strongly recommend their users change the email tied to their account and/or apply some sort of authentication process to accessing their email address, and raised the amount and variety of special characters required in passwords
>>321599384
Half-Life 3
>>321599384
>continue using steam after what happened
JUST
>>321609116
>In an hour
It took them an hour to stop the problem from escalating and release the moderators to spread the warnings of what NOT to do.
It took them almost four to fix it and another hour after that to put everything back online.
I agree with the rest of your shit, though.
People actually lost Steam money to this, which is being ignored, Credit Card charges were made, which is being ignored (at least that can be fixed on the user end.)
This is genuinely REALLY bad. I withhold my anger and disgust until Monday, since it's Christmas weekend and most ppl want to be at home with family for a little peace.
>>321600684
how has it effected you?
>>321609379
>Credit Card charges were made
is this due to people tampering with your account (which is impossible because it's just a cached page with only the last two digits of the you recently used) or due to steam suddenly going offline in the middle of transactions?
>>321609502
Here's an obvious one.
>Goes to buy shit
>Store page is logged with someone else's account
>Have a conscience and don't spend their money/get more from the CC to buy yourself a gift
Or
>You bought all your shit the other day and have like $2.50 leftover
>That drops to $0.01, rises to $100.01 and drops to something like $0.07
Because someone loaded up your account, bought a $2.49 game and gifted it to their alt account, saw you had a CC tied, nabbed $100 and then bought a bunch of shit and gifted it to their alt account.
>>321599384
you sound like a negro
>>321609502
currently, the total amount of damage is unknown. Data scraping those cache pages can lead to so much damage, we won't see the full effects for a little bit.
>>321609739
you didn't answer the question.
>>321609810
>>321604396
>>321604208
Samefag???
>>321606657
>PR nightmare
I've seen 2 threads about this today. There will be 1 thread tomorrow.
Paid mods was a PR nightmare. This is more like a fuck up that got someone fired but no one will remember by Tuesday.
>>321609379
>Credit Card charges were made
The only actual evidence I've seen for the issue was displaying other users' account pages. The user token wasn't valid, it was only a cached page, so no other user would be able to take action with your account from their own login.
They had their account names and emails revealed to everyone, as well as whether or not their accounts were protected by steamguard, making their accounts a target. Where they actually lost the money was people using this information to access their account directly via cracking their password and just logging in. Nobody lost money as a direct result of the issue itself, only by the typical method of having your account hacked. The steam fuckup just made it much easier for this to happen.
The whole thing could have been avoided by those people if they had a half-decent password that contains plenty of numbers and misc characters scattered throughout and randomized letter case.
>>321609679
Towards the very beginning, it was a full login, not just a cache. Five Night's at Freddy's was completely removed from the Steam Store temporarily because someone had loaded up an Admin account. This prompted them to immediately shut down the search engine.
As such, people could also make purchases with your CC, it was reduced to just caching after ~10 minutes past the hour it began, but it was still there.
As well,
>Guy grabs some cash as they shut down the system
>His card is charged and has no more money in Steam
>Everything up and running, charge still on card, Steam balance still too low.
And they haven't mentioned any reparations, Steam Support is silent.
>>321609936
Kinda shows how easy it is to draw that connection doesn't it?
>Hey HEY HEY! SOMETHING HAPPENED IT DIDN'T EFFECT ME BUT IT HAPPENED
>GIVE ME FREE SHIT RIGHT GODDAMN NOW BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENED!
holy shit like.. what ? What where the fuck do you live, Equestria ? What magic fucking world do you think that you get paid for something that didn't happen to you
>>321610018
I didn't know about that, I only got in on the action during the very middle of it.
>>321610169
it was a breach of trust by their own incompetence (something in Steams' actual guidelines) If they issued an apology that would be fine, but don't act like this was nothing.
>>321610385
You're absolutely right.
I'm not going to forget this. But I'm also not going to ask to be compensated by something that didn't effect me.
>>321610169
This is a pretty fucking serious issue, and they haven't publicly acknowledged it.
Even if you weren't personally affected by it, nobody should have any trust with them anymore. They need to do something that makes it up to everyone.
>>321610220
It affected literally less than 100 people, but that's still VERY VERY insane that something that bad could occur, watching your money literally change before you eyes while scrolling the Store page.
>>321610169
How do you KNOW nothing happened that affected you? You think this shit just happens and like, "Oh, there's no chance that someone just downloaded everyone else's billing data, because *I* didn't figure out how"?
Fucking hell, dumbass. It's just common courtesy, along with protocol to explain, post-hack, whether or not account data was actually compromised, whether people should be changing their passwords, cancelling their credit cards, etc. Or if they don't have to watch their credit scores over the next 3 months.
Leaving people in the dark is something that's just not done this year. It's is fucking NOT DONE.
>>321610506
That's effectively saying that you still trust them. A guy you know borrows money from other guys and never returns them? Lend him money when he asks politely!
>>321610537
>nobody should have any trust with them anymore.
See we're right back to the "underage or hated steam before and this is ammunition" point.
My basis of trust is not completely fuckin nuked off the face of the Earth because of one significant, but not major issue. I changed my password. That's it.
I've literally never heard of someone saying they deserve compensation before because of this level of a fuck up. Remember when puush got hacked and everyone had a fucking back door into their computer installed? That was a big fucking deal. Except no one was asking for monie and gaem.
What was sonys compensation for storing your fucking password and credit card as a PLAIN TEXT FILE, violating US law?
That was a big fucking deal.
>>321610805
That's a shitty analogy, but I'll play your game and say it'd be closer to say "You lend your friend money and he says he'll pay you back Friday. And he ends up paying you back Friday at the end of the month instead of this week".
was freaked out, but not mad, don't even care
the users who were affected should get freegamez or something, everyone else can fuck off
>>321610842
Sony gave free games as compensation...bad example anon...
>>321610939
Nobody knows how many people were affected yet, the aftershock is still occurring.
>>321606676
Why would anyone would want to post it if it leaked already for everyone to see.Oh wait, it's not everyone, you forgot to add that you just saw random pieces of data that cache cdn served in a not correct order so you literally saw random shit when you pressed f5.
>>321610953
Not really because millions of credit cards were stolen. Literally millions of credit cards. Free games might be nice to underage that didn't buy them in the first place and their parents card was effected but that's a huge fucking disaster for the adults among us.
Welcome to the rest of my day being fucked while I cancel cards and change my billing.
>>321611070
I never said sonys' compensation was good enough, only that they game something. Valve should do the same, at least some steambux.
>>321606676
Mine only shows the last 2 digits.
>>321610842
>not major issue.
just because it didn't affect you personally doesn't mean it's not major
and the point of that post wasn't that steam needs to give people compensation for it, but that steam needs to make it up to people fucking somehow if they want that trust back.
>>321611068
>huhr the data was random! Duhrrr
no it wasn't, you retarded ass
>>321611064
>>321610939
Everyone was affected. Everyone's account name and email address were put on display for literally everyone else who uses steam.
I guarantee you that there are people how this who reproduced the error to gather as many usernames+emails+steamwalletbalances as they could.
Your account information is just as likely to be on that list as any other.
>>321611379
nah, that simply isn't how it works
the fact that anyone's data could have been exposed (by conjecture), doesn't mean that everyone's was. simply a logical leap that doesn't work
they will eat a class action lawsuit for it, but it'll be a drop in the bucket to valve.
>>321610916
That's an even shittier analogy
>>321611363
What are you trying to say, that you could specially target someone to see his data exactly? Then you are lying. It was just a cache cdn failure, you weren't really in someones account, couldn't access anything that requires a writing session to their base cause it ask for your cookies.
And yes please provide a link to where all the data that "leaked" is now for all to see.
>>321599384
What happened? I haven't been on steam in a while
>>321611519
>The fact that I only saw one person's data means that everyone only saw one person's data!
sheeeit, bro. You're not THAT naïve are you? Did you even look at the URL of your "wrong cache"? Did you try incrementing any of those IDs in that URL to see if the page changed to someone else?
Because I guaran-fucking-tee you that someone did. Are you going to tell me that they didn't see anything? You can't, because you don't know, you fuck. Valve does, because they have that shit logged and know how their caching works. They won't release that data, though.
They themselves say "We think nobody's information was leaked" well... great.
>>321611647
>implying that information would be posted to everyone instead of being stored
Try harder valvedrone
>>321611681
Valve gave out some pretty vital personal information for over an hour (most agree it was about 4 hours). No apology or anything yet.
>>321611379
>>321611192
>>321611172
No one has actually shown that their accounts were hijacked. It's all just /pol/ tier its happening with a load of greed gravy dolloped on.
If you didn't want to pay just get a DRM free copy and not use steam at all. After all, if your trust is broken why do you want to use steam ever again and how would getting money effect that trust?
I'm gonna play dorf fort and go to bed but that's my opinion on it. There's no proof that this extends past a serious, but mild breach of security and that it will ever happen again. I was inconvenienced for all of 60 seconds when I changed two passwords (to my email and to my steam acc). Not a big deal. But this is /v/. A shemales tweet is a big deal here. So Steam fucking up and dropping the ball big time is a huge deal, even though in reality it's just a blip to talk about for 48 hours.
See you in tomorrows tranny-videogameplayer-SJW thread.
>>321611530
I said it was a shitty analogy I didn't say I would salvage it.
>>321611519
I said everyone's information was put on display. Not that all of those displays were actually viewed.
Think of it like the anecdote where a gun is fired into a dense forest. The chances of one specific tree being hit by the stray bullet is virtually zero, yet the chances of the bullet hitting SOME tree is 100%. Every tree is at risk of being hit by a bullet.
>>321611727
>They themselves say
they haven't said anything. they're going to figure the extent of what was leaked before they say anything. duh.
it simply isn't a logical position that everyone's data was exposed. there are over 100 million steam accounts. incrementing your way through accounts will net you, guess what, mostly inactive, abandoned accounts.
>>321611647
Holy fuck, just go kill yourself.
>It's not all random bits, but the one you got was random! It just so happens that it was the entire fucking account!
>Doesn't matter anyway, because what could you possibly do with someone's billing information if you can't use it on STEAM? It's not like... fuck... not like you can buy anything, anywhere on the planet with a credit card or paypal account. You can only use credit cards and paypal on STEAM! DUHRRRRR
>>321611849
Usernames were leaked. Most people have shit passwords. Steam accounts get hacked all the time and now steam just handed out tons of account details on a platter. It follows that there was an increase in compromised accounts due to this incident.
>>321611941
Might have, probably did; not "did happen"
>>321611929
payment info was (and is) encrypted and was not viewable.
unless your username is your fucking credit card number then no anon.
>>321611727
>incrementing
Steam fucked up but they're not that bad. Anyone with any lick of sense working in the tech industry is not going to assign urls for pages of sensitive information incrementally for the very reason that you just posted about. It's randomized.
>>321611897
>they haven't said anything
>Steam is back up and running without any known issues. As a result of a configuration change earlier today, a caching issue allowed some users to randomly see pages generated for other users for a period of less than an hour. This issue has since been resolved. We believe no unauthorized actions were allowed on accounts beyond the viewing of cached page information and no additional action is required by users.
Eat shit.
Eat shit.
Eat shit.
>>321611941
>It follows that there was an increase in compromised accounts due to this incident.
steam guard is required now. knowing somebodys username AND password means nothing without having their email password also.
>>321611998
It's more logically sound than the idea that it didn't happen, and is therefore the better conclusion to draw.
>>321612096
>Eat shit.
>Eat shit.
>Eat shit.
lol you are genuinely so mad and enraged over this
just stop playing video games
shit happens. valve had an issue and it got fixed within an hour. meanwhile huge retailers etc have this shit happening day after day where peoples ACTUAL ENTIRE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION IS STOLEN
as far as "breaches" go, this was nothing. but I do think it was the result of an attack, which they have not disclosed.
>>321612154
Its an assumption, dress it however you like but the only source for the claims of accounts being hacked are anonymous posts.
>>321612096
No apology for their fuckup, statement given to third part rather than directly. Acceptable enough for valvedrones I guess...
>>321612090
Anyone with a lick of sense working in the tech industry would be hard-pressed to push this kind of "caching error" to production.
>>321612106
>without having their email password also.
Their email tied to their steam account was also on the page. The same process a potential hacker would use to discover the steam account password could also be applied to the email address steam so kindly provided to them.
>>321612227
How long does your asshole gape after valve pulls its cock out? If you jump up and down does the poop just come out, or are you still continent?
>>321611841
>wow they leaked everything, abandon steam, abandon paypal, abandon ebay
>oh no it's not actually a leak
>oh wait and on one has the full list of leaked info
So where is it if it leaked?
I understand why that thing may seem scary if you're not a technically savvy person but shouting that it's an end of the steam is fucking idiotic. When you buy something on the internet you expose your full address and your card to random private people, they too can sell your info to whoever for cents. So fucking what? That data gets compromised evey day somewhere else and funny thing is THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT sometimes. Cause if your intension is to hack some company you just do it quietly so the hack would stay uncompromisable longer. Take a look at the situation when valve was hacked back ion they and the guy stole HL2. He freaked spied on them for months.
>>321612352
lol you make it sound as if that doesn't add an order of magnitude of complexity
>>321612239
Saying that there is no difference in the number of compromised accounts is also an assumption. One that is less likely to be true.
>>321612426
>When you buy something on the internet you expose your full address and your card to random private people
what
how do you think encryption works anon
you sound like my mom in the 90s when she wouldnt use her credit card online because she had this mental image of someone "catching" the number as it "went through the internet"
>>321612426
>So where is it if it leaked?
OH VALVE POSTED IT ON THEIR HOME PAGE. DUH!!! WHY DON'T YOU GO THERE AND LOOK? THEY HAVE IT ALL IN A BIG .RAR FILE FOR YOU TO DOWNLOAD!
Stupid motherfucker.
Do you have the download address for the Target/Home Depot data breaches?
>>321602117
have they ever gave any compensation like that before?
>>321612426
it was data scraped for future phishing. they wouldn't post that info they plan on using. The point is that it was easily preventable, but their own incompetence caused this mess. Not apologizing and waiting for it to blow over is disgusting, and those who support such anti-consumer tactics are equally to blame for the current state of gaming.
Valve will downplay it, like they already have by giving a minimal statement. Unfortunately, most Steam users are retarded and will guzzle Lord Gabens marketing cum.
>>321612431
Most passwords aren't very difficult. People often do the bare minimum that a service requires them to do when they create an account password. "Randomword123?" for instance.
There are even lists of the most common passwords out there which saves them the trouble of having to generate them.
A lot of people also reuse their passwords.and before you say they're retarded if they do that, I agree, but that doesn't excuse the fact that their accounts are even more at risk because of steam's fuckup.
>>321612305
It's a bug. Bugs happen. incremental page assignment is a design choice. One that practically nobody would ever make. Not an unintentional fuckup like what we had yesterday.
>>321612758
did you realize most common email services wont let you log in without two factor authentication anymore if your ip address randomly changes?
its simply not a big deal, you can make it one all you want, but youre trivializing shit like its 2002 internet. it just isnt anymore
>>321612070
Encrypted. Not hashed (otherwise, your cc info isn't "stored" and can't be re-used without re-entering it).
>>321612934
which hardly makes a difference in this case.
>>321612925
>most common email services
Hotmail, gmail, and yahoo all do.
What fucking email services do you use?
>>321612530
Are you a fucking idiot?
When you fucking send money to people if it's not paypal they can see your fucking card number you and your name and sometimes address you mutt.
>>321612665
Agree on that point.
To be fair they fixed it pretty quickly and it's not a dumb fuck up like plain-text passwords and data. They tried to make it easy on their cdn for sales and fucked up some session verification probably. Can happen to anyone especially seeing they're using third-party service which is akamai afaik.
Ayo umm *smacks lips* hol up *combs hair* so hol up hol up *eyes white bitches* you be saying we could be getting some of dat money fo free? *smashes dat like button*
>>321612865
NO GIVE ME FREE SHIT RIGHT NOW
>>321612925
None of the email services I use do this. And my IP address does randomly change regularly because I travel.
>>321613024
>When you fucking send money to people if it's not paypal they can see your fucking card number you and your name and sometimes address you mutt.
what are you talking about? in what situation would you ever pay with a credit card to anyone other than an established merchant with a payment processing service?
lol just lol
>>321613006
If you're too retarded to know the security difference between encryption and hashing, you have no place to talk in this discussion, and DEFINITELY no place to attempt to speak authoritatively. Most network admins would fucking strangle you for even suggesting encrypting passwords when hashing exists. Unfortunately, CC info can't just be hashed.
>>321613006
It makes a big difference. Hashed information is still information. Reversing a hash isn't some mystical process, it's fairly simple and can be done via a google search
>>321613165
>>321613235
oh ok ;) dont steal my password guys!
>>321613121
Yes, I'm not doing that but you're delusional if you think that people don't do it anymore.
>>321612865
This bug failed the insanity test. It was pushed to production in a SAAS framework. That's fucking unacceptable. This isn't some fucking addition/subtraction error on the company's mortgage calculator. This is something that ANYONE would have seen with just LOOKING AT THE FUCKING SCREEN when compiling that shit.
ON A SOFTWARE_AS_A_SERVICE.
>>321613024
No excuse, they make so much money they could have either improved security or have a proper PR division; something!
>>321613467
Come on it's 2015 incompetence is allowed to happen!
>>321613412
>you're delusional if you think that people don't do it anymore.
what?
ive literally never heard of anyone just sending their credit card information plaintext to someone. who would ever do this?
ive never even heard that suggested, once, as a thing to do, ever. ive been on the internet since 1994. are you really trying to conjure teh idea that people just email their plaintext cc info out?
even the most ignorant people know not to do that. what a bizarre idea to try and force.
>>321613467
>the bug
it wasn't a bug, it was the result of an attack. why do you think the steam backend would be updated on christmas day? valve gives their employees the day off bro.
bizarre, unrealistic notions in this thread bordering on insanity.
>>321613836
in their non-apologetic statement they said "As a result of a configuration change earlier today"
it was not an attack, it was valves' incompetence
>>321613836
day after Christmas. They were supposedly DDOS'd on Christmas. This was probably some bullshit attempt by the intern to prevent it.
>>321603905
>>321604029
FUCK
YOU
It's the corporations that made America great (Coca Cola, General Motors, Microsoft, Apple and the like) and it's the corporation that will make America great ONCE AGAIN so FUCK YOU you LIBERAL BRAINWASH
You are ACTIVELY standing in the way for a better world, a world so great we can't fucking imagine what it's just, just because some gamers feel they're fucking entitled for a company just offering a service.
You SCUM I bet that if your mother and father knew you where shitposting about the people who makes America America they'd weep for they've lost a son to cultural-marxism destroying this country from WITHIN, putting doubt in the mind of the American people.
It's time we as a people say NO FUCK YOU I LIKE VIDEOGAMES AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME
FUCK
YOU
>>321613940
yeah because nobody ever told a lie for PR purposes before
>valve employees working on christmas
completely illogical thing #1
>valve told programmers to push an unnecessary backend change for no reason one of their busiest business days of the year
completely illogical thing #2
>the change, designed and implemented by valve's industry-class software engineers, contained a careless mistake
completely illogical thing #3
sorry, just doesn't add up whatsoever.
>it was an attack
logical, does not require jumping through 3 incredibly, incredibly unlikely hoops.
think outside the very tiny box your mind lives in, anon.
>Someone transfers the maximum amount of money drum my card into my steam wallet
>spends almost all of it
>steam acts quickly and nullifies the purchases refunding my money to my steam wallet
>money in the wallet can never be moved back to bank account
>forced to spend it or ignore it
would have been nice being able to pay my heating bill, Gaben
>>321614331
>shitposting on a cellphone
why not just do something else? is this site your entire life?
I think this fuck up perfectly illustrates the monopoly valve now has on pc gaming.
Personal information becomes accessible to anyone, and we are yet to hear even a statement regarding the issue.
Valve are not the good guys.
Here's an idea, let us change our fucking log in name already
It's the most important info leaked anyway
>>321614321
If they were lying, then they still look like incompetent fuckups. At least with "hackers" they could shift the blame to something "outside their control".
>>321614528
Here's their statement regarding the issue
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-issue-allowing-access-to-other-users-account/1100-6433371/
>>321614573
why would you do that? being compromised by hackers is waaaaaay scarier to the public than just having a fuckup.
but it's what happened, this was the result of an attack
>duhhh interns duhhh
yes, valve allows "interns" (which they don't employ) to push changes to their multi-billion dollar marketplace backend. super logical.
>>321614517
How are you handling this at the valve HQ, damage controller #532?
>>321600684
>American logic
>>321614642
lol, no apology or anything. Fuck Valve
>>321614642
Yeah I didn't mean a general statement. I meant a "Hey, we fucked up, this is what has happened. We value our customers and their privacy, blah blah."
>No decent games on GOG
>Torrents are only good for popular games
>Steam is basically the only option
We should put as much pressure as possible on them to improve
Being complacent leads to yet another PSN or XBL, a shitty, broken, overpriced pile of garbage
>>321614331
>things that never happened
>>321615121
Exactly what I meant in this post >>321614528
Valve are winning the monopoly. We can't do shit about it.
>>321614331
>Someone managed to do this using only the last two digits of your card and your email address
Wow, switch to another bank dude
>>321614887
>We value our customers and their privacy
They have never said anything to that effect, why suddenly start now?
I also don't believe they actually do either, so it would be lying.
And at least they don't lie to their customers.
>>321615191
The trick is to just never be happy and always complain.
Fortunately this is /v/ so that comes naturally.
Unfortunately this is /v/ so no one is actually going to do anything.
>>321607493
get a load of this roody poo ass weenie
>>321615296
in their terms they mention how they will never reveal any information. Their fuckup did just that.
>>321615296
Yeah, I know. I still expect any company to lie and at least throw out an apology.
>>321615264
Why do retards like you not understand that metadata adds up?
>email address: can be googled, there are services that look up any sites associated with that email address
>full name: once again, can be googled, easy to social engineer with an email address and full name
If the wrong person obtains even the most simple information about you, they can take your online identity.
>>321615415
I didn't mean /v/, I mean very few people will say enough for Valve to actually listen. Valve is now so big that something like this means nothing to them. Any smaller company would become crippled by this.
>>321615459
So what? You can't do anything about it.
>>321614319
giving corporations power to pull you back from the brink of destruction is fine
giving corporations power because you have an established precedent for giving them power is not
kill yourself
Anyone know how to do this on your profile? that dark background where your name is and all, never seen it before.
>>321615587
It's your own fault for having your fucking credit card number just a google search away
You know what you'll find by googling my name and email? My google+ page.
You know what's on my google+ page? Fucking nothing
>>321615639
it is this kind of thinking that allows monopolies and corruption to take root. Continue with your inaction, your life will end up meaningless if you never take a stand against anything. >inb4 I only act on things that matter
keep telling yourself that dude
>>321615849
You're not very smart, are you?
>>321615917
Using meaningless retorts like that sure makes you seem smart
>>321615860
So what? You can't do anything about it.
WHERE DO YOU STAND /v/? VALVE OR THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE??
http://strawpoll.me/6373211
>http://strawpoll.me/6373211
http://strawpoll.me/6373211
>>321615982
If someone wants to take your identity, they have the means to do so. That email address of yours can be stolen, that may show your most recent IP logins, as well as whatever else is linked to that email address. Once again, it all adds up.
>>321615997
my point exactly. Continue with your essentially non-existence. You have no value
>>321616118
Okay
I don't care because that won't happen realistically
Also why the fuck is your credit card linked to your email
>>321616116
Both are meaningless in the vastness of misery inherent to the human condition.
>>321599384
>saving your cc info
You all got what you desrved.
>>321616116
I stand with the shitposters? Why is it not a choice
>>321600890
What's this, a pedo for ants?
>>321616239
>Steal someone's email address
>Their account shows recent IP logins
>Check out the location
>If it is close, you have their full name already, why not dig a little deeper into finding their address?
>Person steals your mail, bank statements, etc.
>"I don't care because that won't happen realistically"
This shit happens a lot more often than you'd think.
>>321616402
It's the third option (siding with Valve)
>>321616402
>>321616116
this
>no "the shitposters" choice
rigged poll by valvedrones
>>321605048
>email addresses leaked, most likely causing people to get put n spam lists
>no damage
>>321616161
It's kind of cute how you think you have any kind of value just because you're shitposting "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" on an imageboard like a 15 year old who thinks he's figured out the whole world.
>>321616501
Okay
I still don't care
And that post about someone stealing your credit card is still bullshit
>>321616656
Okay, how so?
>>321616726
Because it didn't happen you mong
>>321616627
It is not just this one incident. Your statement about how inaction is acceptable because "muh too big to fail" shows that when the chips are down you put your head in the sand like a bitch. You know what else is "too big to fail"? Governments, and they get taken down all the time, by people taking action, not faggots that run and hide out of principle (like you)
>>321616770
What makes you think that.
>>321616770
>"I don't understand how metadata works."
>>321616879
Ignore the trolls, they just love to gobble Gabens' cum
>>321616879
Because we're on /v/
By the way, valve just sent me a care package with $30000 and four russian hookers, just trust me bro
>>321616116
Seems like valvedrones are the vocal minority
So, who exactly was effected by this? Anyone actually using Steam at the time of the caching issue?
>>321616501
>Person steals your mail, bank statements, etc.
Anyone can walk down a few houses and take a bank statement out of someone's mailbox, you don't need their Steam and e-mail for that, what's the big deal.
>>321616832
You can't do anything except telling others to do something about it. You're like the girl who thinks she's making a real difference when using a topical hashtag on Facebook.
It's just sad.
Go do something about it if you think you can, but it won't happen here, so stop being a little bitch.
>>321617086
Yeah, and that is illegal. What valve did was keep the mailbox unlocked (accidentally) and advertised it to the world for about 4 hours (was accessible by those on the steam site).
>>321617086
Your post is retarded.
>>321610018
No charges were ever made to any accounts, stop spreading this fucking bullshit unless you have proof, it was a caching server problem not a login server problem. Please stop parroting what you hear from anti steam fags.
OT: They owe at the very least an apology, the free game would probably be portal or some shit so I'm not expecting mych
>>321617224
Your bank statements are not on steam
>>321617086
That's illegal and dealth with quite harshly.
Online and through steam? Don't expect any help, that was your own fault for being stupid.
>>321617196
>implying that discussion about this issue is only on /v/
Valve is being pounded by emails about this. It goes against their policies and was perpetrated by their incompetence (according to their non-apologetic statement). They have faced legal hot water about similar issues before.
>>321617343
You can't rummage through someones mailbox online
>>321617490
But you can still steal their identity.
>>321617278
But I bought "You need a budget" and it has all my bank statements saved on the steam cloud!
>>321617224
It was for less than an hour and if anyone did see your page it is highly unlikely they're going to do anything with your info for the exact same reason nobody is pinching your bank statements from your mailbox, it is illegal, they don't care and they wouldn't even know what to do with it.
>>321617734
You're not very smart, are you?
>>321617490
There's this thing called an "email account".
Some scummy chinaman saw your steam wallet balance, thinks "dis guy rearry rich", hacks your email which he also saw.
Done deal.
>>321617734
It was almost 4 hours, stop lying.
>>321617535
Names, addresses and e-mails are such easily obtained information that you need a hell of a lot more than that to do virtually anything.
>>321617885
Official statement is less than an hour, stop shitposting.
>>321617896
That's true. But an email address associated with private accounts of yours should not be that accessible.
>>321617896
All you need is ill intent.
>>321617896
Ok, if it is so easy, get my email name and address right now. You can't can you? That is because you need some sort of starting location (barring random data crawling). Valve created that starting point for people. Data crawling did happen (almost 4 hours worth), and can be used to obtain even more info. We haven't seen the full effects yet because it was still very recent.
>>321617983
Official statement fro a company trying to prevent acknowledging that they fucked up means jack shit. There have been collaborating reports with timestamps which show the actual time to be about 4 hours. Nice try faggot
>>321617983
Why on earth would you believe damage control like that.
>>321609739
You are aware that this was a cache issue right? No one could spend your money or interact in anyway with your account.
>>321617734
"Hey guys, it doesn't matter that this happened, it's totally unlikely that anyone will do anything with the info that was seen, so it's not a problem!"
shill pls go
>>321618194
Your tinfoil hat is looking a bit crooked there buddy.
>>321618194
because he is a valvedrone, incapable for critical thinking beyond what is presented to them (seeing the implications for the info leak) and exists in a state of inaction.
>>321618286
Holy fuck, you don't get it. Yes, they couldn't use that info right away, that doesn't mean it couldn't be used in the future for phishing. think beyond the short term and you will see the actual implications of this data leak
>>321618121
Yeah and the thread sticky we had had tons of images of people with fake charges on their account, like some random faggot with photoshop and no legal repercussion to worry about is inherently more trustworthy right?
>>321618328
So your strategy to deal with a 4 hour long information leakage that may still have massive ramifications is to scream about conspiracies?
>>321618471
Irrelevant, data was leaked regardless; against their terms. Why are you shilling for valve so hard?
It affected me because my personal info was on that page. Only a throwaway email, but I used to have my real email attached before 2011 when they had that database leak.
still, that shit is unacceptable.
>>321618649
but relax bro xDD it's not like they can do anything with that information!!!!!
>>321618770
lol, valvedrones actually believe this. Can't wait for them to come crying that they got phished
>>321618823
I want those that think this information is not personal or important to see whether they're okay with posting the exact information on here, now.
>>321619082
they wont. Only one person did, and it was fake info (address was a park bench). They don't have the balls because they know it would end badly for them (someone would offer the email everywhere shady they could). Probably would provide a throwaway email instead of their steam one.
>>321618823
Wishing others ill just because they are stupid makes you an even bigger shitheel than them.
>>321619192
Some people have to learn the hard way, and are incapable of seeing the truth otherwise. I wish it wasn't the case, but I won't lie and say it wouldn't feel like poetic justice
The only compensation I want is them to actually acknowledge the problem and apologize. I don't really want money or free games or any of that reddit shit. The mere fact that they have not taken responsibility is disgusting.
>>321619192
What >>321619271 said.
Some people are so blind that they don't learn until it is too late.
>>321619349
Anyone can make a steak brah
>>321614319
How much they paid you for this post?
>>321609379
>mfw I actually spent christmas with my family
>mfw I came home and immediately went to sleep instead of playing games
>mfw the one time I'm socially active I'm spared from Valve's fail
>>321619565
Prove it. Take someone with no limbs and severe mental damage ("vegetable") and have them make a steak with NO outsider help. Good luck brah
