Why do people have a 'graphics-first' mentality?
Because normalfags. Games focus on story and graphics too much now. I fond myself dropping games within the first 30 minutes a lot now because of that.
Because humans like pretty things. Might as well be asking why beautiful people get treated better than ugly people.
Its going to be the very first thing you notice about a game. You'll be looking at them for the entire duration of the game. The better a game looks the easier it is to stomach.
If a game sucks it might as well look good.
>>321593294
I have no problem with story. Silent Hill 2 has a great story.
Visual medium
>>321593501
You mean like Crysis series? That game no matter how beautiful, gets really boring.
>>321593549
Games with a good story are an exception. But shit that gets churned out these days like The Last of Us are just bad movies.
>>321593318
this
>>321593549
When gameplay is reduced to "mash X so you can get to the next cutscene faster" it becomes a problem
>>321592918
Because they have shit tastebrb playing environmental station alpha or 20XX or what the fuck ever because graphics are shit compared to gameplay and fun
>>321592918
I blame Sega and their "Blast Processing" advertising.
>>321593676
Lots of anime, movies, etc don't require excessive cgi to tell their stories.
>>321593318
yes anon yes..
Because people want to live in a new reality when playing a game. Poor graphics interfere with this illusion and remind us that we are actually living our shit lives.
There's nothing wrong with stylized graphics. Lots of indie gamers do this. I have a problem spending more on graphics than gameplay and plot.
>>321593940
Anime is a cartoon where artstyle is very important and that does play a big role in how good it looks. Movies don't need CGI to look good, cinematography is way more important than a big CGI budget. And unlike video games, you have real life already made for you, so every movie has the same "graphics" already.
>>321594282
Looks at Undertale.
Depend on genre..
adventure / rpg / action :
How well story written > Mechanism > Graphic > Gameplay
sport / race :
Gameplay > Graphic > Mechanism
PES over FIFA proved this..
GT over else too..
most half decent games got good graphics aside rise of the robot there aren't that many awful(uncharted is mediocre) games that look good. Good graphics usually show that there had be some effort in the game.
>>321594476
I have no idea how that game is so popular.
>>321594621
I know exactly why that game is popular. It was because it's mechanics, plot, being self-aware, characters, and it's criticism of modern RPGs or jRPGS for that matter. It did not rely on graphics. It relied on it's other aesthetics.
>>321594621
Autism.
that's about it
>>321594936
It looks like shit. Why would I play that over Underrail or Age of Decadence?
>>321593713
nice b8
>>321595718
autistico~
I'm gay
>>321595342
Criticism of game design and a plot that is self-aware? Engaging characters and a combat system that doesn't rely on randomness?
>>321595865
Nice try, Won't work.
>>321593940
>anime
>movies
>no excessive CGI
Have you watched much of either anytime recently?
>>321594418
Again, Undertale, Lisa...
>>321595914
Its one of those hipster game theory games?
>>321596239
Is it one of those 'games are toys' argument?
>>321596108
Seen? Yes. Enjoyed? No.
>>321593318
Turns out, ugly yet intelligent people are also treated well. I asked that type of girl once. She said she already has a boyfriend who tops in the class. Fuck.
>>321596495
Never enjoyed excessive cgi that much. Always distracting.
>>321594609
Waste of an artist's effort too.
big black cocks are better than jesus
>>321598110
Lack of punctuation marks. Try harder.
>>321598110
LOL! Though.
>>321598508
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
>>321598691
Good, good. You're doing better.
Seriously though, I eat dicks for breakfast.
>>321593294
Why are so many stories shit recently? Like no game I've played recently had a story that actually kept me interested and wanting to play
>>321598813
Fun Fact: I'm Bi.
>>321597015
why do you talk like a retard?
>>321598967
Depends on the your perception of 'retard'.
>>321599118
you said something retarded again dude.
Graphic too much but gameplay just shoot means nothing
>>321599219
I need to feel a penis go in and out of my asshole you know, like all Bi men crave. That feeling of having your asshole fucked. It’s a primal urge, and to deny myself this feeling just because I'm a dude is downright barbaric.
>>321592918
>Graphics matter?
of course it does
Just look at FF and how people treat it like the best thing ever while the gameplay is average at best compared to the rest of JRPG
look at Uncharted and how popular it is even though you can get the same experience or maybe even better by just watching it at youtube
The last of us also get the same treatment while it was a good game its nowhere near the "best thing ever" "10/10"
so you just need an amazing graphic and acceptable gameplay to be mainstream and no anime of course
>>321599219
Typing on the phone is so frustrating!
>>321592918
Because the first part of "Video Games" is;
VIDEO
>>321599292
FF is pretty anime though
Also can I suck your dick? Please?
>>321592918
it's easier, faster, and cheaper to make a lemon look good than to make it run good.
>>321599275
its cool to be gay on /v/, being a fag... its really cool! i like to post pictures of japanese drawing girls and say "im a cute girl, im cute like this anime girl and need boys to fuck my ass, because im cute" in reality i am a fat ugly retard, that doesnt matter because on 4chan, being gay is cool!
It's easier to sell. Most people don't appreciate good gameplay, but almost everyone wants good graphics, even if they say they don't.
>>321599469
This.
>>321599470
I said I'm bi.
>>321599313
I want to play games. Not tech demos.
>>321599410
>FF is pretty anime though
they hide it pretty well
yeah they have pretty boys but the first thing you see is pretty looking realistic people in anime outfits
so its not as embarrassing to normal people as playing games like presona or tales
they start following this artstyle the moment they hit the mainstream with FF7
FF9 was the moment they realize they need to drop the anime look completely to stay mainstream by doing badly compare to the rest because how anime it looks
FF10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and now FF7 remake all of them are realistic looking for the mainstream crowd
>Also can I suck your dick? Please?
but I got none
>>321600251
People don't like games. They like tech demos, movies, and skinner boxes
>>321600287
Oh, the Tales series! Zestiria brought back my SNES memories. It's so awesome.
>>321600334
Then, there's cgi films or tech demo kiosks.
>>321600589
Those aren't trendy. Video games are trendy, so they should conform to my wants even though I only started playing them a few years ago. You're the minority.
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>>321600732
Again, you wanna drool over graphics, there are tech demos to do so. Dark Souls, proved the point that I'm not a 'minority'.
>>321600858
Cool design, bruh!
>>321592918
anything better than GoldSrc Engine then I'm fine
>>321600994
Again, games are trendier than tech demos so they will conform to my desires which are the desires of the majority. The amount of people who actually play and enjoy Dark Souls are in the extreme minority, especially compared to best selling tech demos.
>>321601116
What's wrong with that? The physics engine was amazing. But then again the old engine is not optimized well for modern systems, so, you have a point there.
>>321600287
LoNdOn
>>321592918
Because
Gameplay > Graphics > story
>>321601309
True, but definition you're saying is that minority is niche. Which is not. Dark Souls also proved it is very profitable and proved it's worth in the market. What about FNAF? That game pretty much became a mainstream success because it relied mostly on it's aesthetics and mechanics, not 'realistic' graphics.
>>321600334
Talking about gamers here, not average consumers....................
>>321597015
That's not natural though, that's just common sense. Would you rather be with someone smart who's going to be more financially successful, or someone who's just gonna look pretty for a couple years?. Beauty is temporal, intelligence is (almost) forever.
>>321602038
Good point. That's same goes with games. I want a game that has a lasting impact. I can forget beautiful tech demos anytime I want.
>>321601687
>Dark Souls also proved it is very profitable and proved it's worth in the market.
Not compared to those million dollar "tech demos". The current souls fanbase is incredibly niche, and by fanbase I mean people who actually play and beat Dark Souls. Not the majority of people who call themselves fans because it makes them look hardcore even though they never got past Capra Demon.
>What about FNAF? That game pretty much became a mainstream success because it relied mostly on it's aesthetics and mechanics, not 'realistic'
No, it became a success because it's a flash-tier game that cost less than $5 and has memes. Mechanics are the absolute last reason for its success. You don't need graphics if you can sell a game on memes.
>>321592918
Graphics sell in a visual medium you goober.
>>321601687
>>321602496
Also forgot to mention Bloodbourne sold itself on high graphics. The only reason it didn't sell more was because it was exclusive and didn't rely on the Souls brand name. Dark Souls 3 will probably have the same level of graphics though.
.>>321601884
There's no difference. "Gamer" is just market branding for consumer
Because why can't you have good graphics and gameplay?
>>321602609
Again, Undertale.
Don't confuse visual style with High-fidelity Graphics. They are both different things.
>>321602686
Bloodbourne relied on being a souls game. Nothing more nothing less.
What about free to play mobile games then? They see so much that companies are leaving the AAA bandwagon to mobile games. They don't rely on tech fidelity. They rely on Psychological manipulative 'mechanics'.
>>321602920
The majority doesn't care about one game that's an outlier to the normal way of selling a game.
>>321603196
>leaving the AAA bandwagon to mobile games.
No shit, it's cheaper and a proven market for people willing to throw their money away.
>>321603221
Lisa, Amnesia, hell the new Rainbow Six looks like a last gen game.
>>321603361
And they don't rely on graphics. I don't care how many shaders Candy Crush has.
>>321603431
There is an established indy market for games with less graphic fidelity. It means nothing to the larger pool of consumers who desire the latest shiny object to ogle.
>>321603569
They do in a way, visual shorthand is a thing. If you see a game that looks like Candy Crush, the people that play that shit are more inclined to try something else that looks similar simply because they enjoyed their experience with the former.
>>321603624
They still throw it down after few hours. Such a waste of money. Order 1886 and Ryse also proved that graphics don't always sell games.
And Wind Waker is still visually impressive despite of it's age.
>>321603624
Witcher 3, not that visually impressive, but deep gameplay mechanics sold A LOT. Not niche.
>>321603861
>Order 1886 and Ryse also proved that graphics don't always sell games.
That's because of a number of factors, one the same people that care mostly about graphics also care about review scores, which were mostly negative. Two the subject matter of both games isn't exactly appealing to a large audience. Roman shit and Victorian England aren't particularly popular in terms of mass appeal. Which is why it was a surprise when a Greek themed game like God of War blew the doors off people back in that era. It wasn't the most exciting theme but it had both a gimmick and the standard tough guy to play as covering for the setting. Ryse and 1886 did not have a good gimmick or a catchy setting in combination to bland gameplay AND nothing in terms of a protagonist. Look at the werewolves in 1886, in terms of that sort of thing, were they memorable at all? No.
>>321604196
Witcher 3 also had an established audience and glowing praise in word of mouth going for it.
>>321604785
FF VI had a Victorian-ish setting. It sold quite well.
>>321604905
Apparently that 'audience' was not niche.
Gameplay > Graphics = Music >>>> shit >>>>> Story
>>321594545
>Action
>How well story written > Mechanism > Graphic > Gameplay
what a pleb fuck
>good looking things look better than bad looking things
>it's always better for a game to have good graphics than bad graphics
this seems like pretty obvious shit, until you get crybabies who are upset that their shitty games running on inferior hardware aren't being taken seriously.
>>321605121
>FF VI had a Victorian-ish setting. It sold quite well.
It was a Final Fantasy game riding on the popularity of Final Fantasy back when that shit was admonished with esteem. Lufia II came out a year later and is a better game than most Final Fantasy titles but it's not FF so it didn't do nearly as well. And why would anyone expect it to back when FF was the RPG benchmark?
>>321605121
Witcher hasn't been niche since Assassins of Kings man. In terms of the video game audience, it's mainstream. It may hurt to say that for some but it's true. Within its own sphere of influence, Witcher 3 was expected to do well and with good reason, the core audience was reliable enough and it was shiny enough to pull in other people, just like AoK did before it.
>>321605273
Gameplay > Music/Sound Effects > Atmosphere > Graphics > Characters > Production Team > Story
Anyone that sleeps on music is dubious. All the big titles that have ever been, have one thing in common, appealing SFX.
What would "good graphics" be? I think the artstyle, if it fits the game, plus a good sountrack are more important, obvioulsly everything has to add to the experience, if the gameplay is horrible making it a chore to play, the other two things wouldn't keep me hooked to a game.
I care about story too, if that's one of the main points of the game, otherwise, having a good or almost nonexistant lore doesn't matter that much to me in games like dungeons of dredmor or spelunky for example.
>>321592918
The immersion starts at the look of the game. Gameplay and design enhance the immersion. But if you have a bland looking game with awkward animations and poor setpieces and lame art design, it won't capture your imagination. Not all games NEED it but all games benefit from high quality visuals
>>321606851
I meant graphics from a technical perspective. Having good art style is nothing wrong. It's actually smart on developer side of things. Spending needlessly on shaders is. I played Unity, and TW3 on low settings, FXAA on AND used sweetFX 'toon' look. Visually appealing and high frame-rates
>get in thread
>see "LONDON" reply to grill in img
>see this often
Where tf did this meme come from, what does it even mean?
>>321607504
There was a tripfag (user) on 4chans /fit/ board called TinyTrip.
He lived in London and whenever a girl would display interest (he had a good body) he'd say 'Please be in London..'
>>321607504
It means that i'm a pussy slave, yet I like DICKS.
>>321608303
Too late, brother.
>>321608738
Why are you talking with yourself?
>graphics
>>321602265
Be honest OP.. Are you ugly? Because it sounds like you're compensating for having an ugly ass face
Because if you made most triple A console games run well then only the very most competent developers can optimize well enough to not make it look like pixel goo at the same time. Why do you think most console games run at 900p / 720p at sub 30 fps? There are only a couple of examples of console games that both look good and perform well (inb4 "but anon look at this one in fifty outlier that totally proves that the consoles are capable of x").
>>321609201
I posses split-personality. Don't you remember?
>>321609585
Could be. I don't stand in front of the mirror, admiring all day, thinking how unique snowshit I am.
>>321610046
Wat is snowshit
Gameplay>Mechanism>story>gameplay
Gameplay is always the least important thing IMO
BTW wtf happened to physics? Never see gameplay physics even on pc
>>321610236
Snow with shit. Common among horses.
>>321610246
Excuse me, what?
>>321610246
Gameplay IS mechanics and physics are an integral part of many games such as but not limited to stuff like half life 2 or portal 2 and many other games.
>>321610358
Like when horses poop in the winter?
>>321610583
That's the shit!
>>321610246
Graphics is the least important*
Smoked to much of dat weed today
>>321592918
>Why do people have a 'graphics-first' mentality?
no one fucking thinks like this and i don't know why it became a meme to hate on the theoretical person that does think this way
even the largest graphics enthusiasts will tell you that gameplay is the most important thing in a video game
of course there are people that emphasize graphics, as visuals are, shockingly, important in a visual medium, but no one on planet earth has a graphics-first mentality, so fuck off with this shit
>>321610825
Looking at your responses in this thread, looks like the general opinion is that graphics are important of course but some great games like undertale manages to surpass metal gear. For me graphics are more relevante when I'm playing my anime games, it's important to quickly recignize a futa since I like Dicks very much.
If they're going to make me pay $400 just so I can keep playing the latest games SOLELY because the newer hardware allows them to make prettier games, then those games better be fucking pretty goddammit.
>>321610979
*responses *relevant
I don't know what's futa.
>>321611205
>(You)
Is shitposting that fun?
Graphics is part of the gameplay.
Prove me wrong. (You) Can't.
>>321611778
You tell me, fag xD
>>321611953
Okami, lacks those unnecessary reflective shaders. Pretty much all Mario games. Every game that has an emphasis on frame rates. Zelda: Wind Waker, brilliant art style. Zork.
>>321610992
I've never considered newer hardware is made solely for graphics. I've always considered it part of the scale of the game.
>>321613020
>I've always considered it part of the scale of the game.
Like what, more render distance? That's graphics. More random NPCs on screen when you're in a city? That's graphics. They serve no function towards the gameplay. 99.99% of the time It's purely for visuals.
>>321613596
Shifting realms, Rotating worlds, Automated Nemesis system.
You and I see graphics very differently. In game design, stuff like no.of NPC's, become part of asthetics. 'Graphics' is stuff like shaders, light, bloom, textures.
>More random NPCs on screen when you're in a city? That's graphics.
Play Assassins Creed 2 and say NPCs don't matter. They don't make graphics, they make the gameplay.
I'm op and I suck dicks.
>>321592918
because in this day and age games shouldn't look like shit
>>321593549
Irrelevant.
SL2 isn't good because "muh story".
It's a good game.
Story is roughly as important as visuals.
