>AK47 is powerful, but inaccurate
>NATO guns are accurate but less powerful
when will this meme end?
>ak47
>actually an akm
>modern russian military using "ak47's"
>the ak74 is a krink/aks74u everytime
>>321483330
the AK47 is less accurate though, only the modern variants improved the accuracy.
>>321483330
The AK is very inaccurate, being a gun made in the 40s and all. It's accuracy has been compared with the M16 many times and found to be lacking.
![[SMC]_Sailor_Moon_S_96(R2_DVD.H264.AAC)[7F1B875C].mkv_snapshot_13.40_[2015.07.05_14.59.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xVaAx5W.jpg "[SMC]_Sailor_Moon_S_96(R2_DVD.H264.AAC)[7F1B875C].mkv_snapshot_13.40_[2015.07.05_14.59.54].jpg")
>>321483330
>NATO guns
>>321483330
when you stop taking game so seriously you fucking neckbeard nerd.
>>321483930
FAL, M16, M4, AUG, G36, SCAR, ACR.
All are infinitely more accurate and ready than an AK.
>>321483590
>m4 does substantially less damage than an m16
>>321483330
>7.62
>not more powerful than 5.56
>>321483330
Reminder that Russians basically ditched the AK design in favor of a near-5.56mm more accurate "NATO-style" rifle decades ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547BKysByqM
>tfw 5.45 is better than a battle rifle round
>>321484067
There is no family of guns called "NATO" guns you ignorant noguns pleb.
>>321484260
AK round (762x39), sure
AK design? nigga r u retarded?
>>321484328
>guns used by the North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>guns used the Warsaw Pact
>>321484378
Ak74, the current issue RGF Rifle is 5.45
>>321484328
Who said anything about families, you dumb hillbilly?
>>321484260
>ditched the AK design
Pretty certain the AK74 is an AK design. That's why it has AK in the name.
>>321484474
Yeah but no. It uses near NATO caliber 5.45mm bullets.
>>321484067
Isn't the FAL basically the good version of the AK47?
>Used in similar abundancy
>Fires the NATO equivalent of the AK's 7.62
>Is more accurate
>>321484189
It would be embarrassing if someone posted wound cavities from terminal ballistic tests.
>>321484574
The internals are pretty much identical.
>>321484583
More like a bad version. 7.62x39 is a much smaller round.
>>321484574
>5.45
>NATO caliber
Very wrong.
>>321484453
>guns used by the North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>>321484583
>>321484702
>The internals are pretty much identical.
Holy shit, you're an idiot.
>>321484702
>bad version. 7.62x39 is a much smaller round.
Please stop saying words.
>>321484574
You can get 7.62x39 AKs.
You can get 5.45 AKs.
You can get 5.56 AKs.
They are all AKs. Changing what they're chambered in does not make them any less of an AK.
>>321483330
>Inner Sphere mechs look like trash cans
When will this meme end?
>>321484583
jesus
>>321484838
FAL isn't even really an assault rifle, it was initially supposed to use an intermediate cartridge but muh NATO standards, muh big boolits.
>>321484583
The FAL is extremely inaccurate when fired above semi-auto
Can somebody explain why the FAL has that crazy stock?
How do you use the sites and shoulder the stock at the same time?
Why is the stock so curved upwardly?
Why is the stock 3 feet long?
>>321484626
7.62 is sure deeper
>>321483590
You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right? You do know that an ak47 that fires 7.62x39 can be considered an AKM for the simple fact of it having a muzzle break right?
Your not some COD europoor who only ever held a airshit replica correct?? Tell me I'm right here, I don't want you to seem like this much of a dumb bitch.
>>321485082
What are you, some kind of manlet with short arms?
>>321484583
7.62x51 is much larger than 7.62x39 senpai
>>321485086
I wish I could educate you.
But I feel it would go above your ability to understand.
>>321484067
this to be completely honest family
why they continue to spam the AK-47 meme and shit on these guns is beyond me
If you shoot someone with a gun they're probably going to die. It's weird how games act like there's a significant difference between AK / M4 / shotgun type weapons. Especially how they act like shotguns are melee weapons. What a fucking meme.
>>321485010
7.62x51 is better than 7.62x39.
>>321485082
I don't see anything wrong with it
>>321485045
>anything
>regularly used above semi-auto
>>321485214
If you're tall, then tell me how you break your neck to make your head level with the sights while shouldering the stock.
>smaller cartridges are less powerful, but more accurate
>larger cartridges are more powerful, but less accurate
When meme is end??
>>321485335
I'm aware of this but the FAL is beyond shit tier at that. Like, worse than the AK47
>>321485316
For a DMR or GPMG? I guess. For a supposed assault rifle - a relatively light weapon with full-auto option? It's shit.
>>321485045
Full auto is for suppression.
>>321485082
there is nothing wrong with the length or positioning of the FAL stock.
this post is b8
>>321485332
Some FALs have stocks that curve upwards. Why is this?
>>321485425
For an assault rifle there are better options for 7.62x39.
Like, almost anything.
>>321485294
>implying every one of those nato plastic toys hasnt been spammed in every modern war game
>when only a handful of games portray the warsaw weapons correctly
>>321485424
Nobody uses full auto except squad gunners friend.
>>321483813
No they didnt you little retard.
The AK47 isn't inaccurate it just has a vastly shorter effective range and later models didn't do anything for that, it improved the control slightly but not much else. I love my AK but I wouldn't trust it past 150yrds.
>>321485534
>I love my AK but I wouldn't trust it past 150yrds.
What an awful shot, you shouldnt even own a weapon.
>>321484583
I know your funposting and I still got triggered... Here's your (you)
>>321485515
>For an assault rifle there are better options for 7.62x39.
I assume you mean "then"? Yeah. I mean, Russians did switch for 5.45 eventually. The point is, 7.62 NATO is even worse in that role, so there's no way FAL is a "better version" of an actually successful assault rifle.
>>321485510
go to your LGS or gun range and ask if they have a FAL of some sort, questions like these can only be answered once you hold them for yourself.
or watch a video of someone shooting one, I dunno
>>321485150
Sorry buddy, you're flat out wrong.
AKM was an actual designation for the stamped reciever version of the AK47. The reciever is what's important. That only applies to 7.62x39.
>>321485432
I know what the fuck it's for but when a RPK is more accurate than your battle rifle, that's shit design
>>321485432
That can't be right. No one is going to suppress you for very long with with a 30 rd mag and a 750RPM fire rate.
Full auto is for lethality.
>>321484453
>ak design
>/////AK///// 74
>>321485723
5.45 is an improvement, but, not much of one desu.
It's really just a necked down 7.62x39.
>>321485628
>I don't know what effective range is
I have my SCAR16s if I ever wanted to do some real work but if im running around my ranch or woods and want a good rifle I can bear around I'll grab my AK.
>/v/ pretending to know things about guns
>>321485150
>You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right?
Not really, it's identified by a slant cut muzzle brake, stamped reciever, 45 degree gas block and ribbed dust cover.
Compare it to an ak10X series rifle like the ak103 which has a smooth top cover, ak74 style muzzle brake, 90 degree gas block and foldable stocks and you can see the difference.
>Your not some COD europoor who only ever held a airshit replica correct?? Tell me I'm right here, I don't want you to seem like this much of a dumb bitch.
You're trying way too hard to pretend to be some firearms guru and you seem to be projecting a bit too much my man.
>akm is literally a catch all term
You really don't know shit, sorry to say.
>pic is my ak"m" ;^)
>>321485839
>ranch
You mean your slightly bigger than average back yard
>>321485771
>Full auto is for lethality.
>>321485828
see
>>321484326
fuck tard
>>321485839
>scar 16s
Okay friend, I believe you.
>>321485534
The AK has bad sights and it's barrel literally curves when you see it fired in slow motion. It's inaccurate at all ranges.
>>321485941
Well it sure isn't for suppression. Not with the reasons I listed.
>if you shoot in semi-auto your TTK will lose to faggots who hipfire at full-auto
Then why even add the option.
>>321485771
Full auto isnt legal
Stock over 30 isn't legal
XD
Guess what, in the military, with full auto versions they can use ~more than 30 bullets~
>>321485958
>>321486085
>>321484626
>53gr didnt do anything
WOW WHAT A SURPRISE
What a shitty chart.
>>321485532
the AK-47 is a meme weapon because for some reason it's better than it actually is even though a lot of guns do a better job. Sort of like Derrick Rose.
>>321486172
>>321485958
>>321485920
Enjoy not having any ammo in 5 years you special snowflake
>>321485975
Decent AKs get around 2 MOA with good ammo and a good shooter.
It's not the world's most accurate weapon but it's innaccuracy is massively overblown.
>>321485958
What now fuck boi
>>321486223
Because that's how much the fucking projectile weighs you donk.
>there's people who unironically participate in caliber war arguments
>there's people who unironically and wholeheartedly think there's any noteworthy terminal ballistics when you compared 5.56,5.45 and 7.62x39
>there's people on this very board who perpetuate this stupid dickmeasuring circlejerk like a bunch of schoolboys that don't even own guns
>there's people right the fuck now that do not consider things like how comfortable they are with shooting a gun and being proficient in using them
If you're really that worried about which boolet duz mure dumige, you're a really terrible shot and it's completely irrelevant when you're riding a guy down with a full magazine.
>>321486310
I have 15 spam cans, don't worry about me famo.
>the only 5.45 that exists is surplus
>>321485150
>You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right?
/k/ here...good power bait bruh.
>>321486126
They don't, though. Most FALs use 20 rd box mags and most 5.56 rifles use 30 rd mags. All are full auto. The full auto is for putting more bullets into people. Not suppression. You can't use full auto to suppress with 20/30 rd mags.
>>321486223
>WHY AREN'T YOU COMPARING NON ARMOR PIERCING AMMO AGAINST ARMOR PIERCING 5.45?
Faggot.
>>321486432
We're on /v/, friend, not /k/.
>>321486394
>not spending 300$ more to get the gun in a caliber that actually matters
16s does nothing a good AR-15 wont do.
>>321486394
those boot stocks always look so funny.
Since we're on the topic of guns, can anyone explain to me how the bullets actually feed into this gun? I'm curious about the mechanical aspects of it.
>>321486457
not even bait, some people are actually this retarded.
>>321486432
>there's people who unironically and wholeheartedly think there's any noteworthy terminal ballistics when you compared 5.56,5.45 and 7.62x39
There's measurable differences.
>>321486598
feed into the barrel*
AK47 is cheap and good
NATO guns are expensive and gooder.
>>321486398
who's this semen demon?
>>321486598
The answer is that it was designed by people who weren't thinking about how it actually functioned, just how it looked.
>>321486558
The kid in the Honda talks shit about my ferrari
>>321486432
>using clown caliber
>>321483330
They need to contrive a difference in the weapons so kids will use them differently in games.
>>321486598
Like any other pistol? Isn't that a magazine under the grip?
>>321486126
are you from califonia.
full auto is legal in most states.
>yuros have nogunz of note and are cucked to shill Russian slavguns
my sides
>>321486728
i think the original gun had the clip fed through the front of the trigger guard just below the barrel. would that have made more sense?
>>321486432
>loose the argument
Y-you guys are dumb for even discussing this!
Stay classy kid
>>321486394
That foregrip looks uncomfortable.
What's the objectively best assault rifle today?
>>321486598
It's based on a Fallout 2 gun, which had a magazine in front of the trigger guard, except I guess they didn't want to make an unique animation for this one (though they did for the SMG) so it has a mag in the grip, except the grip is so curved you have to question how the hell does it work. VIDEOGAMES.
>>321486865
because the grip is curved the clip doesn't align straight with the barrel or am i wrong?
Also how does this gun work?
>>321486991
Europoors need not reply to a thread about guns.
>uncle has like 75 guns and wants someone to talk with and show them to and shoot with
>don't know guns but want to learn
how do I not say something dumb
teach me /k.
>>321486991
They're not, actually.
>>321486998
There isn't one, objectively. There are a whole lot of different weapons that do just about the same thing and it comes down mostly to personal preference.
>entire thread of people who've never fired a gun commenting on minutia and trivia in an attempt to signal how well read and experienced they are
>>321486998
SCAR. It's super light. It can work underwater. It's reliable. It's accurate.
>>321487104
"Teach me about your guns."
>>321487161
Not everyone, just most of them.
>>321486954
I'm still waiting for your retort.
Please continue, I really don't want to "loose" this one!
>>321486998
There is none. But it can be agreed that the ak and ar15 both share a large amount of aftermarket and pretty much peak in performance and practicality.
There is no definitive "best" gun. No question. Each gun has their pros and cons and it's up to you in order to figure out what works for you and what doesn't. It's completely up to your preference.
>>321487161
Yes.. And?
It's a good exercise as to how intelligent you can be for those 99.9999999% of things in life you haven't experienced directly but have done your homework on
>>321487104
Lurk /k/, watch handcock45, join a real gun forum, read a few gun books.
>>321486998
gas piston AR
>>321487104
If your uncle's a cool guy, he'll just help you learn.
Make sure you tell him you're not a pro with guns.
Or just take me to your uncle and I'll shoot his guns with him.
>>321487104
"Your memes. Give them to me."
Russian weaponry > USA weaponry.
>>321487036
PPsh is such a great shotgun in that game!
>>321487104
"Hey uncle I want to learn guns please teach me."
>>321487276
That's like saying go to /o/ if you want to learn about cars, or go to /v/ if you want to discuss video games. This webpage is the last fucking place to actually get information unless you want to sift through 1 good post and 100 others acting like tools.
Go and do research on gun forums that aren't full of retard hicks who can't go 1 second without mentioning the 2nd amendment, all you want are answers not lectures.
everyone is going to have a different opinion
>>321487306
>Or just take me to your uncle and I'll shoot his guns with him.
>>321486223
>>321486396
>>321486542
ADDED:
52.5 grs is the weight of the 5.45x39 FMJ, non AP ammo.
It is being compared to other forms of ammunition that are not armor piercing.
Also:
An armor piercing round is DESIGNED to expand LESS and stay in tact.
So for armor piercing rounds, a NARROWER permanent wound channel is typically expected.
>>321484453
It's North American Treaty Organization (NAMBLA), you fucking dumbass
>>321487404
they have a lot of meme weapons though
>>321487036
when u shot it pushes the shell back
>>321487186
IIRC the assault rifle SCAR was found to be sub par in testing but the battle rifle SCAR was goat.
>>321487603
You recall wrong fuk boi
>>321487569
>not allowed to have pistols with stocks in the us
>>321485534
>implying you would ever need to fire a weapon other than to look cool
>>321487569
cool so I can shoot an animal and start cutting up the meat instantly
>Thompson/M16/M4(depending on the era) is incredibly versatile, powerful and well-rounded for any task
>start off with 300 rounds, can burn through that in a matter of minutes, forced to use AKs/Nazi Guns because it's the only thing with any ammo available
The Uzi is PURE FUCKING SEX i fucking love that gun and every time it's used in Video Games
>>321487732
>this is what liberals ACTUALLY believe
>>321487186
>>321487603
>>321487678
The last I heard about the SCAR, field strip was a bitch and recalled jewelers tools.
Not gunsmithing assembly. Regular field stripping.
>>321485839
>SCAR16s
>>321487825
That's the civilian legal semiautomatic version.
What's the problem my man?
>>321487780
>wanted a full size uzi because ofblack ops
>hold a select fire one one at a gunshop
those shits are surprisingly heavy
>>321487823
>recalled
HURRRR
Required.
>>321486954
>>loose
>>321487780
Fuck off jew
>>321487823
Are you a retard? I honestly want to know before I go and BTFO of you and find out I rekt a mentality challenged kid. I'd feel bad.
>>321487797
hes right. even if you have a ccw that doesnt mean you should put yourself in situations where you would have to use it.
retards like you think you are hot shit and wish you could shoot someone, while responsible people with brains realize they buy guns knowing the odds of actually using one in self defense is slim.
>>321484935
>/k/
>having guns
what a dumb image
>>321487276
>Join a real gun forum
>Implying /k/ isn't the realest.
>>321487541
>NAMBLA
>North American Man/Boy Love Association
kek
>>321486126
>Stock over 30 isn't legal
topkek, m8. Also full auto is legal, it's just hard as fuck to acquire since it needs to be NFA registered before 1986
![TP-82[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GsJ8L4o.jpg "TP-82[1].jpg")
>>321487763
>The TP-82 pistol (Russian: TП-82) was a triple-barreled Soviet firearm that was carried by cosmonauts on space missions.
>It was intended as a survival aid to be used after landings and before recovery in the Siberian wilderness. The upper two smoothbore barrels used 12.5×70 mm ammunition (40 gauge), and the lower rifled barrel used 5.45×39mm ammunition. The pistol could be used for hunting, to defend against predators and for visible and audible distress signals. The detachable buttstock was also a machete that came with a canvas sheath.
>>321488034
>"I put in a seat belt because I hope to get into an accident"
This is what your liberal engineered straw man sounds like.
I know you love getting cucked so its hard for you to fathom but those of us who want to defend ourselves and our loved ones don't dream about the day.
>>321488020
>Are you a retard? I honestly want to know before I go and BTFO of you and find out I rekt a mentality challenged kid. I'd feel bad.
This is information I learned second hand.
I meant to say required, by the way.
If the SCAR's Field stripping isn't retarded, that's fine, and what I heard was wrong. I'd love to know more about what's involved. Someone else said there was a thin metal liner inside as well.
Can you confirm or deny?
>>321487823
https://youtu.be/tAMsNipVpI4?t=3m41s
so hard
>>321487404
space race was about rocket tech, moon landings were secondary PR fluff
>>321487404
>first
>first
>first
We're the ONLY ones on the moon, faggot.
>>321487271
>he's never shot a gun
>>321488271
no you fucking faggot, i live in south dakota dont try to act like a fucking tool. you are the type of retard that should go through a mental evaluation and are the type of people that make up shit on the internet and like to act tough about how you would shoot all of those le niggers that would break into your parents house.
you use a gun in self defense if you directly are threatened with your life, a situation you should try to avoid in the first place
now fuck off kid
>>321488243
cool memeguns russia
>>321488365
Well shut my mouth.
Feel free to call me stupid then.
That's cool, I will watch that whole video later. His videos are always really informative.
>>321488332
>pop out two take down pins with your thumb
>slide the trigger group forward and off
>slap off the stock
>pull out the recoil spring
>slide the bolt carrier back
>pop out the charging handle
>slide the entire bolt carrier out.
You have literally field stripped the entire SCAR 16 & 17
>>321488442
Oh I skimmed it
yes I've shot a gun but there's plenty of people who never have who know more than dipshits who have
One week on /k/ and you'll know more than 90% of gun owners frankly
>>321488464
>being self reliant is a mental disorder
Liberals ladies and gentlemen
![s640x480[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iFJvpVt.jpg "s640x480[1].jpg")
>>321488537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPUQC0xMYs
>>321488628
Very cool.
Thanks for bearing with my dumb.
I also didn't realize it was a short stroke piston.
That's kinda neat to see that.
>>321488858
>call you for being a fag
>LOL LIBERALS XD
holy shit, go back to /k/ where everyone will play along, my state most likely has better laws than you so you arent going to strike a nerve
k now that I've seen a gun with a meat cleaver built in can someone recommend me a gun with a razor or perhaps a tire iron
>>321488858
>self reliant
You know that in tests 9/10 times owning a gun makes the situation worse because most people aren't actually willing or able to use it properly. You may think you are, as do most people that own them for self defence. But odds are you aren't.
>>321488464
>you use a gun in self defense if you directly are threatened with your life, a situation you should try to avoid in the first place
I own guns and I don't see the problem with this.
However.
Saying:
"You only shoot guns to look cool" is also silly.
DESU:
It's fun to go shooting, or hunting, or any sporting activity. You target shoot to learn how to shoot and get better and more proficient. And there's really no other way to get better than to do it. You're dangerous to yourself and other people if you own a gun and you're not proficient with it. So learning to shoot it and how to use it properly is important.
Having fun while you do so doesn't mean you're a bad person.
>>321489194
>it's scary, you should just bend over and take it.
Okno
>>321489194
>You know that in tests 9/10 times owning a gun makes the situation worse
Not according to the british home office.
>>321487036
Like this
>no gun with built in flask
>>321489353
But...where does the bolt go?
>>321489218
to be fair, i didnt say that, i came in after that post.
i think gun nuts are fucking retards, and yes there is a difference but whatever. i love shooting and guns are fucking cool, but i sure as shit dont want to have to shoot a person
>>321489353
but how does the barrel rotate?
>>321489118
>k now that I've seen a gun with a meat cleaver built in can someone recommend me a gun with a razor or perhaps a tire iron
>with a razor
Gochu familia
>>321483330
Rhodesian Bushmaster > Slavshit
>>321484626
Ballistic gel is not an accurate representation of a body, it is just a consistent medium for comparing different bullets. What a bullet does to a block of gel is very different from what it does to intricate layers of flesh, bone, fat, sinew, and fluid filled cavities.
>>321489489
Anywhere it wants. It's a quantum bolt.
>>321489118
How about a knifegun?
>>321489353
ah, the tommygun
heck of a shotgun
>>321488635
>One week on /k/ and you'll know more than 90% of gun owners frankly
I'd agree with that. I actually browse /k/ a lot. I won't say it's my main board, but probably my second most visited. /v/ being my third.
Anyway, while I agree if nogunz do their research, they can learn a shit load and learn more than some hasgunz, but actually holding a firearm in your hand, working the action, and putting a round through it will help their knowledge greatly.
I dunno, there's just something about actually doing it instead of just reading about it that helps your understand it better.
>>321489645
Is that a Webley revolver?
>>321489525
I was thinking about that while looking at the image.
Despite the animation never changing (and lets face it, this is bethesda they have no fucking idea).. there is clearly a key on the front and you crank an internal spring with it.
Or something. I mean there's a key right there to turn it nothing else makes sense. But Bethesda doesn't have any clue how guns work. The hammers don't even move in FO4, pistols just jerk backwards when you fire.
>>321489710
>thompson is the only gun that takes drums
The FO3 shotgun design is fucking retarded though, don't get me wrong.
>>321489603
Absolutely true in every respect.
I COULD be wrong, but that may be a test from a pig cadaver.
>>321487504
Fairly sure those are courtesty cadaver tests. Likely pig.
Likely.
>>321485387
The entire point of that curvature is so you don't have to break your neck. Maybe you haven't realized but your head is in fact above your shoulders. Well, maybe not yours...
>>321489578
>he actually took the time to tape his mouse to his gun, write a note, take a picture, and upload it
Not him, but I'm impressed, guy.
>>321489725
What's your first
Aks are outdated shit.
Anyone still using them is probably an outdated shit with a boner for Soviet bullcrap or a terrorist.
The M4 is light years more efficient on a battlefield.
>lightweight
>easily handled/less recoil
>advanced scope/more accuracy
>grenade launcher attachment
Goddamn you fags are pathetic for bonering over outdated shit.
>M-M-MUH AKS!
fuck off already. It had its time but we are more advanced now.
Fun balance and tradeoffs are more important than realism.
Next question.
>>321489935
>but we are more advanced now
Go on.
>>321484626
>5.56 explodes inside you
Does this actually happen in human targets? If it does is it more lethal than 7.62x39?
>>321489932
10 bucks says /pol/
>>321489974
Have you told your parents that you're gay?
>>321489935
I bet you like Fishguns too faggot
>>321490056
You just triggered the tumble argument..
>>321490056
Fragmentation, not explosion, yes and yes. If it happens is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity.
>>321486083
It's for attaining fire superiority through suppression, once their heads are down you can relax your rate of fire.
There's a reason why every squad has a belted weapon and riflemen rarely if ever switch to auto bro.
Someone send this thread to /k/
>Be from a redneck family
>Have a few shitty handmedown guns for shooting possums and snakes more than anything.
>Confused by all the gun fetishists who never fired a gun or spend all day fanboying particular calibers.
Y'all are weird
>>321489935
>be M4
>get jammed
>>321490040
you noticed how even Russia doesn't use the AK anymore?
Yeah, the human race has moved on...its time for to you aswell.
Next you'll tell me how cool the Tommy gun is...lol.
>>321486551
>implying /k/ isn't terrible
>>321489932
/pol/
I swear it's for the actual politics, not the stormfag stuff. After the elections we'll see where I end up.
Ah who am I kidding, it's an anonymous imageboard. GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW 14/88 HEIL HITLER
>>321490092
Like it was hard to guess, senpai.
>>321489935
You don't buy an AK for operations where you can go back and sit in an FOB afterwards. You buy an AK when you need a gun that you can abuse to hell and back and still have it work like you expect it to work. The fact it isn't advanced is it's biggest selling point.
>>321490056
It fragments while 7.62x39 sorta sails.
5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 is really overplayed
Also bullet type largely takes into account, there's a difference between m855, m193 and more premium shit like smk and hornady tap
>>321490056
>Does this actually happen in human targets?
Based on pig cadavers:
Yes.
>If it does is it more lethal than 7.62x39?
Again, based on those same tests?
Yes.
5.56x45, while not TECHNICALLY a frangible round, fragments while inside soft targets when it reaches a certain velocity. Past a certain distance, this obviously becomes less reliable. How far is really a point of contention.
>>321490232
>tumble argument
This is a thing?
Oh god.
>>321490294
> If it happens is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity.
You forgot barrel length in some cases. the mk262 works better and has a better "window."
>>321490425
You don't buy an old AK* I should say.
I'm sure the newer ones like the 102 or whatever it is are perfectly competitive guns for their task.
>>321490383
Russia still uses their AKs, anon.
>>321490380
>>321490425
>>321489935
People who don't know anything about guns
>>321490416
God fucking damn I owe that other guy 10 dollars
>>321490397
It's autistic but the level of knowledge is definitely a LOT higher than /v/ in this matter. That's like being smarter than a retarded child, but still
>>321490459
In reality, I'd say the main advantage of 5.56 is that less weight = more boolits you can carry, all things equal.
I still prefer 7.62 though because I like fucking around and watching cinder blocks shatter when I shoot them.
>>321490536
longer barrel = more velocity.
>>321486998
Factory probably a SCAR or that AR clone from HK. Maybe just maybe the new MTAR.
With aftermarket options a DI AR15 (or AR10) will beat all of them on performance and price.
>>321487303
Nah, gas pistons don't belong in the AR15. Enjoy your carrier tilt, weight gain and accuracy loss.
>>321490536
>tumble argument
>This is a thing?
>Oh god.
mention 5.45 on /k/ and you will usually see this. I own an ak74 and can confirm this is a thing among other akfags
>>321490675
>I still prefer 7.62 though because I like fucking around and watching cinder blocks shatter when I shoot them.
That's good on you. You know what you like
>>321486998
The fish gun.
>grandpa use to only have hunting rifles and shotguns.
>visit for christmas
>he now owns a ar-15, some sort of ak-47 variant I'm not sure about, and 4 handguns ranging form .22 to .45.
>ask him if he thinks somethings going to happen.
>"Something is bound to happen anon."
Not even worried. Wondering if he'll let me shoot them with him.
>>321490671
Find me a better cheap, durable gun than the AKs (well, technically Norinco type 56s mostly these days but still)
>>321490831
Take that back you whore
>>321490794
What's the best caliber to create sex toys
>>321490916
He's right though, sounds like a cool guy.
>>321490594
People hunt with aks.
yes, really.
Do they work?
yes, really. 7.62x39 is pretty similar to .30-30
A very popular deer round.
So using that round on deer is fine.
>semi autos on deer?
Most states allow this.
>what about magazine capacity?
You use a smaller magazine.
If you get caught with a magazine on your person, or even in your vehicle the DNR will take your kill.
Possibly your gun.
And possibly your vehicle
And possibly your license. Not obeying all hunting regulations will get your royally fucked in all sorts of ways.
>>321490945
An M4
>>321490794
>unzips
>>321490993
Well, you can presumably hunt with whatever you want (with varying degrees of wasted meat and legalities I'm sure but I'm not really a hunting person)
I'm largely talking about military application.
>>321483330
Korobov was here
AK47 is shit
Why do people who know they've never handled a firearm and lack general firearm knowledge always act like they know everything about them? The ignorance in this thread makes my head hurt.
>>321490983
.50bmgand I mean sticking the entire cartridge in your assand wear a condom because lead is a safety hazard of course
>>321490993
>If you get caught with a magazine on your person
larger magazine.
The state determines how large of a magazine capacity you can use.
Some states say 3 rounds.
Some 5.
some 10.
It all depends on your state's legislature.
I don't know of any states that allow 30 rounds, but - that's something else.
>>321491039
>M4
>cheaper than a type 56
>>321490991
I dont' blame him. It was just fucking surreal when my grandmother was showing me the glock he bought her. She opened up the case and sat it down of a tilted pile of books while she was looking for the ammo in her desk.She use to be certified crazy as in she went to a mental hospital when she was 30.And now she has other mental problems like narcolepsy.
>>321491169
It's underage and noguns (see anyone connection from australia or eu) with nothing of substance to actually contribute so they resort to pedantic shitflinging and autistic shitposting.
It's the same on /k/ but to a lesser extent.
Anyone worth a shit to discuss guns with is already past that shit along with caliber war bullshit.
>>321490794
Speaking of 5.45:
What's the price tag on 5.45 these days?
I can't imagine it's very good after the whole obama speech time to freak out.I have a weakness for .22LR. I'm sorry(I'm not sorry.)
>>321491169
Movies, TV and video games lead people to believe they know more about guns than they really do. They build up a cognitive bias about this and genuinely start to assume they know more about guns than most people. Teenagers do this a lot.
>>321490945Mosin Nagant
>>321489853
>I COULD be wrong, but that may be a test from a pig cadaver.
Very clean and consistent drawings of a cadaver then.
Problem with cadaver testing is that no two bodies are the same and the way the bullet goes through all the flesh, bone, etc is different every single time as well. It's a great way to test the efficiency of a round on its own but it's lousy for comparison unless you shoot a shit ton of pigs and use the data to average the most common wound patterns of each round.
>>321485010
What are you talking about, FAL round is slightly smaller than .30-06 which is a rifle round. Standard 7.62 nato is probably hotter 30-06 just has a slightly longer case but 30-06 just started to come around at the start of smokeless powder and 7.62 went through way more testing and standardization. FAL was a good attempt at a repeat fire detachable box magazine style weapon, AK's were just a simpler design that had way more industry geared toward making it.
>>321485082
yeah that's a crazy long stock been a while since I looked into fals I think it's just because it has part of the firecontrolgroup in it or something or to hold onto the receiver it doesn't have a recoil system in it like an M16 to explain why it's really bulky haven't seen a fal disassembly in a long time don't remember. I don't even wanna know how much that thing weights, carried around and slept with an M16 enough times to think fuck this thing is heavy I bet my forefathers had it worse with full sized rifles, then i found out m16 is 8.8 pounds unloaded fucking m1903 bolt rifle is pretty much the damn same. FALS look heavy as fuck though.
>>321489935
AK was a good design there really are not that many semi rifles like it, it's old but it works. It just has shit for tolerance specs which is why the parts move well under bad conditions but the accuracy is bad. M4 is a good weapon I really like it but there is talk of replacing the gas system which is nearly identical to the AK with one that is identical to the AK.
>>321487471
I hear this "4chan is where enthusiasts get together to shitpost; you won't actually learn anything here" opinion a lot, but I actually disagree. When you baby newbies they get bored and quit, and the specialist forums you're talking about are full of their own agendas and prejudices that go unchecked because their moderation is less lassez-faire than 4chan. Better to tell him to lurk /k/, refine his bullshit detector, and use it as a jumping-off point for actual research.
>>321483590
>>>/niggertwitter/
>>321491562
Is it time?
>>321491562
It's a shame that nuggets have been going up in price. Not sure why - probably something to do with strife in ukraine or some shit.
I'd just hate to see them go the way of SKSes where they've gone up a couple hundred bucks over where they should be.
>>321483330
As soon as 7.62 stops being a larger and harder to control round than 5.56.
Just don't tell devs that Russia has used its own 5.56 round for decades.
>>321491467
I bought 2 crates one for ~$450 and another for $340 iirc last year from some dude so I paid ~22cpr and ~16cpr.
You'll usually find 7n6 surplus for ~25cpr now which I don't find to be all that worth it now. It's the same price as modern production 7.62x39 now.
>mfw was going to buy 6,000 rounds the day before it got banned from import
>mfw everything was gone in a blink of an eye overnight
>only held back not buying it because didn't have an ak74 at the time
>>321491784
Meant Russia has been using 5.45, my bad.
>>321489974
This desu senpai.
>>321491856
>game has russian military with ak74's
>uses 5.56I really didn't care, mgsv's gun customization was pretty neat
>>321491658
Stop posting, you noguns fuckhead.
>>321491758
What price are they at now?
>>321491732
It's always time.
>>321491843
>5.45x39 banned from import
Ok I seem to have been out of the loop for a while:
Why?
>>321489935
>Ak74
>slightly heavier
>much less recoil
>much more reliable and durable
>ergonomic grenade launcher which loads much faster
>folding stock
>can accept anything anything an M4 can with a railed receiver
nigga you don't even know
>>321492029
calm down autismo
This thread is filled with the same fags that start Fallout threads on /k/, isn't it?
>>321489194
>in tests
You mean like those rigged as fuck ones where a person who has literally never held a gun before is given a 15 minute brief and shoved into a "mass shooter" scenario where they are directly singled out and eliminated immediately?
>>321492034
Well I haven't seen any in stores for some time now and online they're started to get up into the mid 200s (+ shipping/FFL fees and such, of course). Gone are the days of 100 buck nuggets
>>321492034
Should I get a mosin?
>>321492052
to my knowledge
>some retards (radom) break the unspoken rule: don't fucking make a 7.62x54r "pistol" or 5.45 "pistol" or you will get surplus import banned
>border patrol informs the atf about this
>atf then does tests to verify if 7n6 is armor piercing
>atf is a host of mental gymnastics like having rules of "armor piercing pistol ammo cannot be imported"
>anything larger than .22 caliber in diameter with a steel core, able to be fired out of a "pistol" is to be banned
>5.45x39 isn't even .22, it's a hair smaller
>5.45x39 isn't even armor piercing in the first place
>lolno ban it anyways lmfaobecause reasons
tl;dr atf is dumb/corrupt and will shoot your dog
>>321492034
>>321491732
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