So. Did you pre-order the game yet?Did you even know its coming out?
Pre ordered the day it went up on Amazon. Also got 8.
>>321475009
I can't wait to pirate it.
of course i did anon. im hopping for a spring release for 7
English release or moon runes?
I don't pre-order shit I can't read.
>>321475989
They claim its gonna be summer. But I hope for an earlier release as well. Still no official release date.
>>321476097
Game came out almost 4 years ago in Japan. Its finally getting released in the west next year.
>>321475009
I don't like pre-ordering things, so no. But I am greatly looking forward to VII and VIII
Whoa, for real? Thanks OP, I didn't know about this. I'd lost hope.
>>321476283
I haven't pre ordered anything in years because of bad experiences. But this is the one set of games I will pre order. Because it actually will send a message to SquareEnix. Not just for more Dragon Quest, but for more non Final Fantasy, non ARPG games.
>>321475009
You can't preorder it in Canada.
>>321478104
SquareEnix strikes again!
>>321476905
Well, I certainly hope we get more of those. I have yet to play through any Final Fantasy game.
I hope DQ VII and VIII are fairly challenging. I'd like for them to last a while.
>>321478953
Dragon Quest VII is tied for the hardest game in the series. Dragon Quest VIII is tied for the easiest.
Both of them will last well over 100 hours, their difficulty not withstanding.
>>321475009
It looks absolutley horrible. What is the appeal?
No gifts = no preorder.
Since I don't live in Europe or Japan, I will wait for it to come out.
>>321479113
>tied
With what?
>>321479372
I wonder if they'll still have all the jap-chain exclusives.
>preorder from 1 of 10 chains to receive an item exclusive to that chain's pre-orders!
Seriously, fuck you, SE. Especially since some of them are pretty fucking good.
>>321479376
DQII and VII are the hardest in the series.
Dragon Quest IV and VIII are tied for the easiest.
All of them are great games.
>>321475009
That came out 15 years ago.
I'm busy playing V right now.
>>321479528
>7 hard
>4 easy
Hue
7 is easy as fuck past Dharma fucking Temple.
4 is pretty damn hard mid-game, assuming you play the DS version. The NES version is broken as fuck since you can directly trade mini-medals for prizes of varying values, thus you won't even need all of your medals likely, and by the time you even find the medal palace, you'll probably have enough for a few miracle swords, which were OP back then, especially if you used T-dog the massacre merchant.
At least the longest part of the wait is over, /v/. I can't wait for it to be out. I'm going to be a recluse playing that fucking game.
>>321479113
Well cool. I'll have nothing going on but work so those'll be great.
>>321479113
8 will last less now that you can speed up battles by 1.5x.
>>321479868
>7 is easy as fuck past Dharma fucking Temple.
Not really. Unless you know exactly what places the story based fights are coming AND know exactly what classes are best.
>4 is pretty damn hard mid-game, assuming you play the DS version.
No, it really isn't. You can defeat everything with just Alena. The DS version is actually monumentally easier because of faster EXP gains and Alena being stronger at level 30 than most DQ characters at level 45.
>>321480218
Well, also because the 3DS version won't have the crappy loading time like the western PS2 game did.
But it might even out considering all the new story and gameplay content. Might save 10 hours on battles, but gain 10 hours on new monsters, alchemy recipes, story cutscenes and etc.
Beginner here, need a personal opinion. I don't really play jrpgs, I only really like dragon quest and mother games. I've only played DQ V and IV and don't know if I would like VII. Would someone who never played a jrpg with switchable job system like it, is the the game really complicated? I've heard VII isn't beginner friendly and want to get but want to make sure I'll like it first.
>>321480291
>No, it really isn't. You can defeat everything with just Alena.
Wrong.
You don't get her for a decent while once chapter 5 starts, and her lack of HP and DEF make for easy kills against some of the enemies in revisited continents who have been replaced with suped-up shitwreckers and casters of 3rd-tier spells. In addition, deathspells like to work really well against you. Alena can only hit a single enemy at a time without the gringham whip (like your ass is going to legit have this) or spell-casting weapons (which are painfully low-tier by the middle of the game). Plus, the falcon knife earrings we all love cost quite a bit, and you won't be affording them right off the bat.
>>321480443
Most of that shit is out-of-the-way optional stuff though.
You won't be doing it unless you really feel like it, and the photo quest has no rewards.
DQ7 will make me buy a 3ds so I will buy both things when it is out
>>321480767
If you don't like doing things off the beaten path and only want to rush through the main story, why are you playing a Dragon Quest game? That's pretty much why Final Fantasy exists.
I'm not trying to be a prick. Just pointing out that Dragon Quest greatest strengths are exploration and side quest content. Dragon Quest VIII being arguably the best at this.
>>321481008
DQ8 is linear as fuck, you madman.
And a vast majority of the treasure chests found on the overworld are worthless save for the ones with tiny medals and the handful that require the godbird stone to reach.
Dragon Quest VII on 3DS has massive changes that make it easier for new fans to get into it. But I'd suggest going back and playing all the DQ games in order if you really want the full experience.
>>321475009
Is DQ7 the one that takes like 100 hours to beat?
>>321481179
>DQ8 is linear as fuck, you madman.
Since you just rush through the story and ignore exploration/side quests, every RPG is going to seem linear to you.
>And a vast majority of the treasure chests found on the overworld are worthless save for the ones with tiny medals and the handful that require the godbird stone to reach.
Or you know, all those free cloaks of evasion, devil's tails, wands, orichalcum, saint's ashes, gold, etc. But I can see why you don't know anything about those.
>>321481405
Yes. Though supposedly DQVII on 3DS is faster.
>>321481441
On the overworld.
Not in dungeons, which is where 90% of those things are found.
>>321481852
>Not in dungeons, which is where 90% of those things are found.
All the things I named can be found on the overworld. Some of them like Devil's Tails are also found in towns (Argonia) or dungeons. But there's still one on the overworld.
>>321480767
>>321481852
>>321481179
Did you even play the game?
>>321482202
Wrong
http://rpg-home.lunar-net.com/dq-web/index.html
Not one cloak of evasion, much less more than one.
>>321482434
Did you?
Nearly every single one of you only jacked off to jessica fanart without even touching the game.
>>321480661
>alena can only hit twice with the gringham whip
Wrong, the falcon earrings allow her to attack twice as well. The main draw is that they only add 3 offense but her offense is so high that the earrings end up being better then any other weapon beside the gringham whip.
>>321482485
It says you can find a Cloak of Evasion in a chest in two different cities. How is finding an item in a chest in a city different from on the overworld? You're still finding an item in a chest by exploring off the main story path.
>>321482578
Sweeping generalizations kill any argument you're trying to make. Both because its deflecting away from your argument and because I can now claim you fit into your own generalization.
>>321483015
Cities can be thoroughly searched in a few minutes, and most cities must be visited to finish the game.
>>321483143
>Cities can be thoroughly searched in a few minutes
Now I know you haven't played the game. It'll take at least an hour to explore all of Argonia. Especially since you have to return back to the city after story events to gain access to new areas. And still, its optional content.
All you're arguing is that you dislike exploring the overworld. In which case we circle back to my original question. Why are you playing this game when you can be playing a Final Fantasy game with set zones and easy to spot chests right on the story path?
>>321482791
Hit more than one enemy.
The falcon earrings and sword only hit a single foe regardless of the first hit kills or not.
>>321483402
> It'll take at least an hour to explore all of Argonia.
For a fucking idiot.
>Especially since you have to return back to the city after story events to gain access to new areas.
Are you talking about the bazaar? Because that doesn't affect anything in terms of location.
I'm waiting for a release date. DQ7 on PSX might have been my favorite PSX game. I know some people couldn't stand the weirdness of a pseudo 16 bit sprites on the overworld and town. But I honestly found it all charming. Stories were the best in the series ranging from lighthearted fun to tear jerking sadness. And all given you time to experience it all. The only issue is the Temple part and I've heard they made that part easier.
>>321475009
As you can see in the picture, it came out in 2013, so it's not like I can preorder it now.
>>321483630
Fuck, I read that wrong. Sorry anon.
>>321483881
Yeah, the sole exception is 2, because the falcon sword in that game gives two separate attacks (thus allows 2 separate targets), instead of 1 attack that hits twice.
>>321483836
That's how long it took for SE to get off their asses.
I have never played VII but I don't see the point of pre-ordering it, I'll just buy it.
I might get VIII, is the alchemy pot instant from the mobile version? Seriously fuck running around.
>>321483402
>you're arguing
Sorry to confuse you.
Argonia's cloak of evasion is in the castle, which you have to visit to advance the game. You don't even have to search the city to find it. Arcadia sells them in its armor shop, so that's not much of an exploration reward.
>>321483738
No he's talking about the treasure room that takes lots of exploration :^)
>>321484040
Yes.
Maps are also automatic and their chests are replaced with increasing amounts of gold per new area.
And because maps are 99% of the time next to the dungeon entrance (save for rhapthorne's castle which has it behind a short ass walk through a hallway), you basically get some nice extra cash to spend just for walking into a dungeon. The chests are also based on the mobile/western PS2 release, thus a few chests were made to be better instead of holding literally shit in them.
>>321484138
The one that's literally behind the obviously locked door which you get access to after prince tons of fun buys that fake heart?
Because that's accessible not even two hours after reaching argonia for the first time, since the argon lizard hunt is short as hell.
>>321484254
Plus two new characters right? Sounds like the 3DS version is worth getting.
>>321484040
I didn't mind it when I was just making shit between towns. Like better herbs and other things. But once you are at the end of the game with super bosses and other things having to run around on top of the Monster Arena was annoying. They really should have gave the instant pot around the last chapter.
>>321484254
I actually never had an issue with money. But I always did DQ differently. I normally go around the dungeon grabbing everything and when I know the basic layout and know I'm near the boss I teleport out and return to town and buy whatever I skipped and return to the dungeon to finish the boss. At that point I most likely gained a extra level and more spells. So not only more money but I basically cut a lot of grinding too.
>>321484570
Two broken as fuck characters you get at the 1/3rd of the game.
The first because the plot won't allow it until then and the second because you won't be getting strong enough monsters until then.
Plus some rehashed bosses from the normal main-game in a bonus dungeon, now with a few more extra attacks and a shitload of stat boosts.
>>321475009
They're censored
>>321475009
Nope. Already have the Japanese version. I'm actually looking forward to it coming out here too so I can talk about it with more people than I have so far.
WHERE, IS. DRAGON. WARRIOR. MONSTERS?
>>321484824
Is Red and Morrie really that broken? It was actually challenging with just the main four.
>>321479113
>Hardest
What? Either I'm better than I think I am, you remember it being hard because you were really young when you played it, or the 3DS version was nerfed. I can't say I didn't have some close calls now and then, but it wasn't really that bad. Rhondarkia in DQ II kicked my ass much more than anything in DQ VIII.
>>321479245
Exploration, traditional JRPG, job system, and fun mostly.
>>321483738
>For a fucking idiot.
You mean someone who doesn't just run to the next story cutscene and actually talks to all NPCs/looks for chests? Sorry people who like to explore are idiots to you.
>Are you talking about the bazaar? Because that doesn't affect anything in terms of location.
You aren't even let into the castle the first time you go to Argonia. You have to do a story event to be allowed in. Then you have to get the Ultimate Key to open the basement treasure chests. Then you need to do a side quest to trigger the hidden gigantes dungeon in the counselors house.
>>321485138
He said DQII and VII were the hardest. And yes, the 3DS version is a lot easier than the PSX version.
>>321479113
>Both of them will last well over 100 hours, their difficulty not withstanding.
Eh, VIII lasted me about 80ish hours, with the battle speed up feature in the 3DS version. Like, 20 of those hours were killing Metal monsters and several others were spent at the casino and random stuff. That's for doing just about everything except finding all small medals and going through the new dungeon the Cloister of Memories (I did go through the other new dungeon though). Oh, and I didn't do the SS rank.
>>321485143
>You aren't even let into the castle the first time you go to Argonia. You have to do a story event to be allowed in. Then you have to get the Ultimate Key to open the basement treasure chests.
Wait, are you arguing that the game is linear or that it rewards exploration? It sounds like you're saying the latter, but you're pointing out things that support the former.
>>321481405
>>321481538
Took me 138 hours, though I took my time, wasn't sure what to do at some points, and did everything except the optional dungeons and those contests I think. It was also my first time playing the game. I've read on Japanese sites that it can be finished in 50-60 hours. I'm guessing that's if you know exactly what you're doing and skip everything optional.
>>321484824
>at the 1/3rd
Sorry, phrased that wrong.
Until the last third of the game.
What sucks about that is that you still have to fight jessica with only 3 allies, and they kept that stupid ass slog of a long trek to find the magic ruby eyes with only 3 allies exactly the same.
>>321484939
I'm just happy we can finally have a Dragon Quest thread without it just becoming us getting angry at Square Enix. I mean I'm pissed it took this long to get it but I rather us get it late than never.
>>321485068
Hopefully if 7 and 8 does well we can get some of the side games.
>>321485135
Yeah. Multiple-hitting breaks the fuck out of 8, and those two both have very good multi-hitting skills.
>>321485493
Going back with the ultimate key is optional. And the Gigantes/mirror dungeon, which you conveniently ignored, is also optional. And for that matter, collecting any item in any chest is optional.
I'm done talking to a guy who ignores all points that don't work with his argument.
>>321485143
>Then you need to do a side quest to trigger the hidden gigantes dungeon in the counselors house.
No you don't.
You just go to argonia just after rhapthorne starts fucking shit up, and it's a troll dungeon, you dipshit. Gigantes are the cyclops monsters.
>>321485752
No you aren't.
>>321484570
I haven't played the PS2 version, but I have played the 3DS, and it really sounds nicer.
- Worse graphics
- Some censored Jessica costumes, Gelda wears shorts now, two censored scenes
- Orchestral audio and voice acting (though the English PS2 version had both of these)
- Two new dungeons (one is pretty meh, one is just a string of buffed up past bosses)
- Instant alchemy
- Save anywhere
- Maps of all dungeons automatically except the Dragon God's
- Can see how much exp needed to level up in menu finally
- Morrie and Gelda (Red) playable. They're great characters too.
- New ending(s) with Jessica
- New items
- On-screen enemies. Not nearly as annoying as it was in DQ VII 3DS
- 1-3 costumes for everyone, new costumes for Jessica
- New photo quest
- HP/MP restored on level up (really helpful at the beginning of the game)
- New SS rank in the Monster Battle Road
I think I might be forgetting some things too.
>>321484824
Don't know what you mean by 1/3rd of the way through the game, they come fairly late.
>>321484872
DQ VII isn't.
>>321485135
Morrie is pretty good, though I know I didn't use him to his full potential. Gelda's (Red) Killer Juggling is ridiculously overpowered.
>>321485997
Oh I see >>321485601. Nevermind then.
>>321485143
>You aren't even let into the castle the first time you go to Argonia.
Wrong.
The only time that happens is if you go before you trigger the event flag for Trode, and you have no business going there before that point anyways.
No.
I still intend on getting it though.
>>321485997
While you're here, explain to these idiots how DQ7's job system works now as opposed to how it worked in the PS1 version.
No need to preorder. Even hot titles rarely sell out on the first day around here. Will be picking it up as soon as its out though.
>they released that piece of shit Heroes
>but they're never giving us the DQM1 and 2 remakes
Goddamnit, fuck you SE.
>>321486307
Haven't played the PSX version, but I've heard of a hybrid skill system. It's not in the 3DS version. You choose your jobs, you level it up as you fight, you learn abilities. When changing jobs, you tend to keep the lower tier abilities you learned, but the higher tier ones won't carry over. The hybrid skills still show up though, you just learn them like anything else.
Not sure what else to say about it.
>>321486326
Looks like someone doesn't remember the DQ5 bullshit.
>>321486581
I really should try to pick up DQVI one of these days. It isn't as rare as DQV, right? Thankfully I preordered that shit.
Also, is VII going to have that garbage translation that the newer DQ games seem to have? All the fucking awful accents?
>>321486581
I bought it off the shelf.
>>321486552
Weird. So some abilities carry over but not all? Wonder how well that actually works since in the PSX all abilities carry over. Also how was the dungeon before getting the class system?
>>321486097
>and you have no business going there before that point anyways.
Once you get the ship, you are free to explore 3/4 the world. And right after the flying ship scene, the ship is pointed right at a spot of land south of Argonia.
Most people end up going to Argonia next, since the game doesn't tell you a clear cut place to go to. And when you do, the guards won't let you in the castle. So you leave there and look for a different location to trigger the next story. While letting you learn Argonia as a zoom spot for when the story brings you back about 5-10 hours later.
And literally none of this has anything to do with the original thing that sparked this whole debate. Some random guy claiming 90% of items on the overworld are pointless. Which is just blatantly false.
>>321486581
Nintendo is publishing both of them. And DQ6 and 9 was found all over. Since they didn't feel the need to limit the number of carts.
>>321475009
I still haven't beaten it on the PS1.
Reposting because no one answered but can some anwser >>321480582.
>>321475009
Ordered both. And a 3ds.
>>321486778
>Also, is VII going to have that garbage translation that the newer DQ games seem to have? All the fucking awful accents?
Probably. Most we've seen was "Krikey!" or something I think. Also name changes since Melvn has been changed to Mervyn (though I guess Merubin could also be translated that way).
>>321486887
It kind of annoyed me honestly. I didn't want to change my jobs since I'd lose some great abilities, like Multiheal and the Paladin's Vacuum Wave (that one is so damn useful). I still did though. Classes level up quicker than the PSX version I'm told. My characters leveled up like, twice before I returned to the present time after getting my first set of jobs.
The dungeon before the classes? Dharma Shrine? Not much to say about it. I think I've heard that it was pretty tough in the PSX version, but I don't remember having too much trouble with it.
>>321487207
I don't really think it's that bad, but I'm not exactly a beginner either. I think it'd be fine.
>>321487207
you basically get to a certain level and switch jobs because you keep skills and shit
you switch to kinda related jobs usually to play to your characters strengths, i.e. dont make a warrior and job switch to a mage
unless you want to max everything but that's a waste of time unless you like that sort of shit
worst comes to worst spend 5 fucking minutes reading a gamefaqs guide on the job system or something
>>321487207
What did you like about Dragon Quest 4 and 5. DQ7 and 8 does a lot of things like that but also things differently. DQ7 is a bit like DQ5 in that it's more linear just with a job system about 1/3 in (which was about 40 hours in the PSX version).
>>321487207
Dragon Quest III is very friendly as an introduction to the class system. Right outside the place that you chance classes is one of the best grinding spots in the game and you can grind an entire class in like 1-2 hours.
Dragon Quest VI and VII on the other hand are not that friendly. Leveling classes take 10-30 hours. And if you pick the wrong classes, it can really slow down the game. Though thisis just the original games. I don't know if that will change in the 3DS version of DQVII since it has a new class system.
I would just go back and play the DQ games in order. First two games don't have classes. Third game introduced classes and is considered one of the best JRPGs to use classes.
>>321483143
>Cities can be thoroughly searched in a few minutes
>>321487804
I really need to play III. From what I heard from the soundtrack in Dragon Warrior Monsters, the overworld theme is on fucking point, and I've had it on GBC for ages.
>>321487804
I never really had to grind classes in DQ VII 3DS. I just let things happen naturally for the most part. Sometimes before heading off into the next episode I'd stop and bully monsters a bit if my characters were really close to maxing their job, but that's about it. I got two or three characters pretty close to obtaining Godhand by the end, but never actually did get it for anyone.
>>321480582
I personally found DQ7 to be one of the more boring games. It's not complicated at all, and isn't the first DQ to have a job system, though it is more indepth.
It plays like any other DQ game for the first half, and once you get to the Dharma Shrine you're able to be more flexible with how you arrange your party. It's honestly one of the more easier DQ games, but that doesn't say a lot as DQ became easy after the first 4 (NES versions).
>>321487494
Glad they made the Shrine easier. That place was a fucking pain. Weird how they changed the class system work but I'm guessing it's not that bad since you seem to have been able to get through it easily enough.
I'm a yuropoor and its not even on our amazon yet, fug
I just got heroes.I think its pretty fun so far. Other than 9 and a bit of 8 I haven't played much of dragon quest. I just got this girl and literally everything she does makes me diamonds
>>321488413
Go pick up DQIV, then
>>321478104
BestBuy.ca friend
>>321488413
She's also overpowered in Dragon Quest IV. She's also the prototype for Ayla in Chrono Trigger.
>>321488324
What's so hard about it int he PSX version? The enemies hit like trucks?
Oh right, I think I read that there's a dungeon where you can't use magic in the PSX version? If so, that was changed; I don't ever remember being restricted on magic in VII 3DS.
>>321486517
>we'll just get Joker 3 instead
>>321488413
Best girl.
I've never played a Dragon Quest game but would like to get into them. is it okay to start with VII or should I play them all starting with DQ1 to understand the story?
>>321488614
The whole Shine made it so you had no magic. So you basically had to prey that the one holding the healing stone (forgot the name of it) wouldn't die. Alsothe boss that turns the wolf into the boywas fought in a cave that restrict magic. Guess they felt those things was just annoying (which they were right). Actually from what I've read when Horii replayed DQ7 to do the 3DS version he was shocked at how imbalanced everything was. Guess he meant both the magic restriction and class system being weird to use.
>>321488614
Its not just that skills were locked out. You're basically trapped in multiple areas without any way to escape (jail then path to Dharma then the Dharma Temple itself). And if you went into that area without enough money or medicinal herbs, you are in for a world of pain.
>>321488964
You can start with any of them and understand the story just fine.
>>321488964
>>321488964
Only 1-3 has any real connection. DQ7 is a great self contain game but it feels like a game that should be played after playing other DQ games. If you really want to enjoy DQ play 4, 5, and 8. DQ3 is one of the best but it's honestly something that you should play after 1 and 2.
>>321488964
As others have said, only I-III has any real connection (and you could honestly play them out of order if you wanted to). I started with I and moved from there. It was fun. If you don't want to do that then III, IV, V, and VIII are all great starts, though maybe wait for the 3DS version of VIII. VII probably isn't that bad for a start either, it's just really long and more linear than the other games (which isn't really a bad thing, I think).
>>321489193
DQIV-VI also have story connections. But they're so subtle that most people don't notice. And even with those connections, they don't need to be played in order. Unlike Dragon Quest I-III which needs to be played in order.
>>321489163
How up to date is this guide? I haven't played a single DQ game and want to start in preparation for VII and VIII
>>321487494
>>321487643
>>321487804
>>321487751
Thanks for the feedback anons, I was mostly curious in VII as it has my favorite character designs in the series. Does anyone have this pic without the text, I tried looking online but couldn't find it.
>>321489720
It's not very good. For example, you're better off with the NES version of DQ4 as it does not have accents in the dialogue.
I would honestly recommend playing DQ 1-3 in order first as it will give you a lot of basic knowledge and know how of the series. You could also play 4 as I would say 4 has the best pacing in the series.
>>321489163
While I don't really disagree with that list I do say both DS and mobile of DQ4 SUCKS. The localization team should never touch anything ever again. Those accents are a fucking pain to read and makes me not want to talk to anyone which is a main thing for Dragon Quest. Plus because those fuckers spent so much time on that pointless accents that they never bothered to do the Party Chat. Yeah mobile has the Party Chat but you still need to bother with the shitty localization. NES however has a great localization even today.
>>321489584
True but those are mostly just key things and not really connected. Its more like it takes place in the same world but never really mix.
>>321489720
There hasn't really been any new Dragon Quest games outside of Rocket Slime 3.
>>321489720
It was made about a month agoby me.And since its been years since the last DQ release...its still up to date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbjyiVL30E
>>321489946
That looks like a Shounen Jump or other magazine cover so I doubt there's a version without text.
>>321489720
Looks pretty up to date to me. Though I'll say that if you don't care about Debora, maybe give the PS2 version of DQ V a shot. It's the only version I've played, but I really liked it. I'll play the DS version eventually to see Debora, but I'll really miss the PS2 version's great audio.
>>321490039
Chen! You're alive!Fuck you.
>>321490185
Fug, thanks though anon.
>>321490364
I'm trying to link it but I found it on Sankaku if that helps.
>>321489997
There's really no good option for Dragon Quest IV. It doesn't really invalidate the list. If there was some better fan translation of the PSX or DS game, he probably would have listed it. Since he listed DQI-III with fan translations.
We just need someone to pick up that now dead fan translation of DQIV on DS.
>>321490185
PSN used to share the unedited magazine covers. I miss that mag.
>>321488413
Yangus, Jessica, and either Alena or Bianca for the last slot is objectively the best party for Heroes
>>321490215
I should say I have no idea what the mobile version of IV is like though. IV is a complicated case in English (kinda like FF IV is). I don't know much about the NES version, though I know it doesn't have any strange accents. It's a regular translation apparently. The PSX version is great and adds a lot of content, it's the one I've played, though unfortunately, there's no English translation. The DS version is quite similar to the PSX version, though it has some changes. The English localizers added absolutely awful looking accents to the game though and cut out all the party chat (something introduced in VII and added to the remakes of IV-VI which fleshes out your characters more). Party chat made it into the mobile version though.
>>321490450
PSM! M. Fucking typos. Fucking prehistoric 4chan and no edit.
>>321490514
>I should say I have no idea what the mobile version of IV is like though
It's the same as the DS version except with party chat and fucking touch screen controls.
>>321490185
Yeah, it's JUMP.
>>321490282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKhffNabQwE
Anyone here read the dragon quest vii manga? The artstyle loojs really appealing to me but I've never heard anything about online.
Anyone here watch the dragon quest anime? The artstyle loojs really appealing to me but I've never heard anything about it online.
>>321490431
An unedited one? I'll go look it up.
I wish death upon everyone involved in the decision to go with these fucking accents
I miss the old translations with thou and thee and thou must!
>>321490939
Are you making fun of my post about the manga? Just making discussion anon.
>>321490786
I never knew it existed. I'll have to give it a look.
Art style does look nice, but it feels like a missed opportunity not being drawn by Akira Toriyama.
>>321490786
Are you making fun of my post about the anime? Just making discussion anon.
>>321490939
I want to watch it. But every time I checked back with the sub group, they weren't finished subbing the whole show.
Plus there's a second anime series.
>>321491037
It was both Plus Alpha and the Japanese head of localization. And its been at least 8 years since Plus Alpha has touched the games, yet the accents remain (and are getting worse). So I'm willing to put the blame on the Japanese localization team.
>>321491232
>>321491163
>>321490449
I'm really pissed there's no really good Dragon Quest 4. NES has the best localization but PSX and DS fixes a lot of the gameplay problems (like AI which isn't as bad as people say outside of bosses but it isn't good). Why the hell did the localizers had to piss all over one of my favorite game in the series?
>>321491037
I know you secretly like them, anon
It's okay to admit it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5twDKhd6j-k&t=13m30s
>>321491582
Why has nobody made a patch for the DS release that puts the party chat back in?
>>321491582
Yeah, like I said, FF IV is in a similar situation.
>SNES
Too dumbed down. Can't comment on the translation as I haven't played the whole of the American SNES version, and what I did play was in the mid 90s.
>PSX
Gameplay's fine, but the translation is really fucking shoddy.
>Fan-translation
One of the worst things I've ever seen. It's more of a rewrite than a translation for that matter.
>GBA version
Bugs, bit easier than it should be, the translation, while touched up, is based on the PSX's translation.
>PSP
Pretty good for the most part, but its translation is just a slightly modified version of the GBA script.
>DS/iOS/Android
The best English localization the game has received (though the language is a little overly flowery) and while the game itself is fine, it's completely different from the original FF IV.
So just like with DQ IV, if you want to play a perfect version, you have to be able to read Japanese.
>>321491364
>and are getting worse
The only thing localized since Joker 2 is Heroes and literally everyone but the DQ4 characters are all just varying levels of british. I don't see how that's getting worse.
>>321491962
Nobody cares.
Simple.
>>321491684
I like it
>>321492002
Heroes was also localized. And it has some really ridiculous examples.
Plus, the heavy accents have seeped into other series. Even Final Fantasy.
>>321492429
Accents have been used in entertainment since forever. I haven't played that FF game, not sure what it is, but if unless everyone speaks in a thick accent at all times, then it's really fine. Accents can be fine, even good, if used properly. Dragon Quest is one of those series where they aren't handled well at all for the most part.
Is it possible to emulate the mobile version of DQ4 for the party chat?
>>321491968
DS was the best and I was fine with the flowery talk. But yeah DQ4 sadly needs a fully new localization hopefully from someone that knows what they are doing. I'm fine with accents as long as it within reason. DQ4 however is a complete mess and fucks everything up. Sadly fan translations don't really do projects where the game is localized.
>>321475009
Why bother. The amount of time people spent waiting for that game could have been spent getting a job, learning runes, and using the money from the job to buy a gateway so you can play the game using the runes you learned.
>>321492652
Maybe by installing Android in a VM and installing the APK. Not sure how/if it'd work though.
>>321492429
Chrono Cross is actually a special case
>Poshul voice
>Me wath the Rocarization Director, the Rocarization Programmer, and one of the tranthratorth. One interethting feature of thith game ith itth automatic accent generation abirity. Without thith thythtem all the text for the 43 main characterth wouldn'thave fit into the game, making an Engrithh verthion impothible! Me created an Engrithh auto-accent thythtem where we could jutht write the prain tranthration and reave it up to the program to convert it real-time into the 'voice' of whoever'th thpeaking at the time. Tho... Me am although rethponthible for all thothe funny thpeech impedimentth that we're thure drove you crazy! But Me bet you never realized they were auto-generated, right? Anyway, thee you rater, Sergeipoo!"
>>321492429
Accents have been used in translations fucking forever. That example from FF14 is a generic NPC, again all important characters there are varying levels of British.
>>321492647
>Accents have been used in entertainment since forever.
And most often it is done poorly. The accents in Dragon Quest games are reminiscent of the accents used in 1930s Hollywood movies. Difference is, back then a Russian or Chinese accent was used to mock that particular group of people. Dragon Quest translators are using literally the exact same stereotypes, but they don't understand the stereotype. Much like Lucas didn't get why Jar Jar Binks was so offensive to Jamaicans. He thought it was 'cute and funny'.
Half the people who play these DQ games don't think its cute and funny. They have some kind of reaction between 'this is cheesy' to 'how offensive!'
>I haven't played that FF game, not sure what it is, but if unless everyone speaks in a thick accent at all times, then it's really fine.
Everyone in the Limsa region speaks in some level of heavy 'pirate' accent. Which to them is basically a really mangled Scottish dialect with as many apostrophes as possible.
So yes, they do speak like that all the time.
>>321492652
You could possibly emulate it with Bluestacks
>>321492735
And now no one has to learn a second/third language to play a video game, isn't it great?
>>321493052
>Chrono Cross is actually a special case
Not really since the head of localization for Chrono Cross was also the head localization director for Dragon Quest VIII. It was his decision to put accents into both games.
His name was Richard Honeywood.
>>321492735
>Learning a language for vidya only
I have no interest in visiting Japan anytime soon, and Japanese women are hard to come by in NYC as they seem to be only college students at nyu and Columbia.
I'll wait for the English versions as I have a good paying job and have enough of a backlog anyway.
>>321492429
>>321493083
>>321493167
Am I the only one who likes the accents? I've played alot of DQ games but I haven't played any of the DQ remakes that are heavily accented (ie. 5 DS), and I liked the voices in VIII, they weren't 'holy fucking shit do you fucking hear this orgasmic audio' good but they weren't bad either. Is it because I'm not a mohammed?
>>321493052
I knew I read about that somewhere! Must have been in that ending, I just couldn't remember where I'd seen it and was wondering if I was crazy. Still not entirely sure how it helped fit the text into the game though.
>And most often it is done poorly.
Eh, I don't think so. Maybe I just read/watch more things with well done accents.
>Everyone in the Limsa region speaks in some level of heavy 'pirate' accent.
Makes sense if it's a region and there's a reason for it. I was talking about everyone in the game doing it. Still, can't say as I've not played any version of FF XIV, all I know about that one is that some eccentric guy who may be gay was stripped of all personality in the English version and even had animations removed.
>>321493465
>Learning a language for vidya only
If you like Japanese games enough, it's definitely worth it. You'll naturally get into other stuff that allows you to use your new reading/listening abilities along the way anyway.
>>321493465
I don't see a problem with learning a language that you come into contact with often. It's not like you need to pay money and you could actually put it to good use later on. I mean not having to worry whether a game/VN/anime you like is going to get translated since you already know the language isn't a wasted feeling
>>321493548
About half the western fans seem to love the accents and want more. Which is the major reason SquareEnix kept doing it after Dragon Quest VIII.
But there's an equal amount of people who are turned off by the accents. So if 50% of your fans hate it and 50% love it, you're stuck in a corner.
What I can say is, despite half the people liking the accents, most of them would still play the game even without the accents. Whereas the other 50% of people may be less likely to buy a new game because of the accents. I'm the biggest DQ fan out there and even I don't want to replay Dragon Quest IV on DS because of the horrid dialects. Plus, the lack of party chat because of the massive changes to the dialects.
In the long run, it will take so much more effort to keep doing the accents, as well as risking new fans, they should just drop it. From a potential profit loss standpoint. But this is also SquareEnix. A company famous for making massive series altering decisions and not looking at the long term effects. Just look at the messed up names for Final Fantasy, Mana and SaGa games.
Can't pre-order a game from GameStop without a release date, OP.
>>321493548
I don't give a shit if they're there or not as long as they aren't on DQ4's level
I don't get this anon that's triggered by any hint of anything that's not american English though.
Wasn't there a video that showed loading time problems, lower graphics quality, and a bunch of other shit? That turned me off of the 3DS version.
>>321494139
You shouldn't be pre ordering anything from GameStop anyway. I stopped doing it because they stole at least three pre order bonuses from me. One from Muramasa, one from FFXII and one from Dragon Quest VI.
"We never got that poster. I don't know what you're talking about..."
>its hanging up in his house
>>321494239
You must be thinking of VIII. I know there's a video comparing load times between the Japanese PS2 version and the 3DS version of VIII. The 3DS version took like, two seconds longer to load battles (for a total of maybe 4 seconds, if that). I think it loaded out of battle a second or so quicker though? Not sure. That's about it for load times though, and I hear that the English version fucked shit up and introduced longer load times or load times where they never existed in the Japanese version, so to English fans the 3DS version may be an upgrade as far as that goes.
And yeah, the graphics are worse, but >>321485997
>>321494473
I've had no problems pre-ordering from my local GameStop. Was GameStop the retailer that gave out a little Slime plush with DQ6? Because I have the little plush (as well as like a big, foot tall Slime plush I got in a store by itself last year). Oh, and I got the poster with my pre-order of Super Mario Maker.
>>321494473
You know, I've never had any of those Gamestop horror stories happen to me. Not once. I've never even been badgered to pre-order something. I guess I'm just lucky (at least when it comes to Gamestop experiences), though I only go there once every few years anyway.
>>321494590
The Japanese version of Dragon Quest VIII had instant loading battles. For some reason, the western release added a couple seconds of loading time. Having to do with bad encoding when adding the English voices. So I can't imagine the 3DS version can be any worse than the English version of PS2. Especially since its on a flash cart. The only way it could be worse is the team doing encoding performed the same fuck up a second time.
Also, these people who keep complaining about censorship. There's a chance the western version might alter those costumes. Since it will be rated Teen in the west. The censorship happened in Japan to allow them to have a CERO A rating (equivalent of a E rating in America).
>>321494681
You must have a manager who cares for his job. Most people who work at GameStops in my area (including my cousin) are under constant threat of being fired or transferred, so they don't give any fucks about their job. And there is rampant theft not only of pre order goods, but whole games. Often posted on /v/. Those guys who get the latest MGS or AC game three days early. Yeah, they're usually GameStop/Wal Mart employees.
>>321494119
I'm alright with accents as long as they don't over do it. DQ4 is one of those time where they went overboard in a way I have never seen. This is James Joyce level of accents. At least at the start. And the key problem is that you can tell about chapter 3 or 4 that the localizers kind of gave up. I mean sure there's tiny accents around but no where near the level as the first few chapters. So not only did they put in accents that made people question what the NPCs were saying but they quit part way through because of how hard it was. And even than they didn't have time to do the Party Chat. So on multiple levels DQ4 DS and mobile was one of the worse localization for a high profile game in a LONG time.
>>321494901
>There's a chance the western version might alter those costumes.
I doubt it, but I guess no one can write it off just yet. I'll be slightly jealous if they are uncensored. I wonder if they'll re-censor Riizas (no idea what her name is in the English version, just look at my image). I saw a picture of her from the English PS2 version and it seems they covered her up a little and put her fallen strap back in its proper place. Considering Jessica's tits in her normal outfit and her other outfits in general, I'm quite shocked they bothered to alter Riizas at all.
>>321488449
Thanks, btw I love bestbuy.
>>321495081
I dunno, I don't really bother with most modern games anyway and I have no interest in most AAA titles. Maybe that's part of the reason why I don't have bad experiences there, or maybe I just live in an area that's not full of faggots like that.
>>321495304
>Strap
I meant Shawl, or whatever that is.
>>321494901
I'd be amazed if Squeenix put the effort in on games they had to be begged to brought over in the first place, but I guess we'll see
>>321495304
No company has ever been consistent with what they change anyways.
>>321495406
>No company has ever been consistent with what they change anyways.
Yeah, that's one of the things about censorship that bothers me. Aside from reasons stemming from personal belief, censorship is never consistent. I'll never like censorship, but damn it, if you're going to do it, at least be consistent about it.
>>321495406
>I'd be amazed if Squeenix put the effort in on games they had to be begged to brought over in the first place, but I guess we'll see
SquareEnix is a very strange company. They'll take years to release a DQ game, then give the western version unique content the original Japanese didn't. They did this for Dragon Warrior 1-4, Dragon Quest VIII, Dragon Quest IX and Joker. And Dragon Quest IV-VI if you consider accents an improvement.
But most of those additions seem to come from Yuji Horii. Who is constantly trying to update his games. You could even say the western release of Dragon Warrior was the first 'remake' of the series.
>>321495545
What I want is just companies to explain the changes. I just want some reason why some things are ok in the game but others are not. Xenoblade X is a perfect example. I mean Lin I get but everything else made no sense. Even my friend who is fine with censorship questioned some of the changes in X.
>>321495406
>>321495545
I agree. This irritates the heck out of me and just another example of why censorship is just not acceptable. Hell, it wasn't acceptable back in 1985. Its sure as hell not in 2015 when Mature games are breaking sales records.
There is absolutely no reason they can give that makes name changes, cut party chat or altered storyline acceptable. And there's no evidence it even helps the games sell better, yet they still do it! They complain Dragon Quest doesn't do well in the west, then keep doing stuff different from Japan, where the game sells 4 million copies? Ever think all your sweeping edits are, I donno, AFFECTING SALES?!
>>321496021
What did they add in IX?
>>321496238
Oh please, you're fucking delusional if you think accents of all things are the reason the series isn't as popular in the west. If anything it's the lack of marketing and the fact that there have been multiple large gaps where no Dragon Quest games were released outside of Japan.
>>321496352
>you're fucking delusional if you think accents of all things are the reason the series isn't as popular in the west.
I don't think that. Dragon Quest, even after years without releases and next to no marketing, is still one of the top 5 selling JRPG series in the west. Its SquareEnix who complains that a game 'only' sold 1.5 million copies. Because it didn't outdo the Japanese sales of 5.5 million.
>>321496242
Added accents/puns. And some unique wifi items. Nothing special, but it counts.
>>321478309
>>321478104
Yes you can
>>321496657
It really is annoying how DQ outside most JRPG yet because they sometimes don't break that million sales it somehow horrible numbers and once again hide the series for about 5 years. It really is annoying with that. Finally we get Dragon Quest and after only trying for 8 they just let the series sit and soon die with the DS of 4 and 5. And than Nintendo came out and saved the series showing SE that DQ can sell well. But SE decided "naw we don't care" and just stop all localization. Only to come back with Heroes and saying "buy this and we will rethinking about Dragon Quest over here"
>>321493548
I didn't mind them in IV and actually what I've heard from Heroes.
>>321496657
When the population of the US alone is more than double that of Japan I can somewhat understand SQE not being too thrilled that they didn't even come close to Japanese sales.
>>321498079
>When the population of the US alone is more than double that of Japan I can somewhat understand SQE not being too thrilled that they didn't even come close to Japanese sales.
The series hasn't had 30 years of consistent marketing in America like it has in Japan. Its phenomenon in Japan and almost unknown in the west. Their expectations are rediculous.
If they had spent years with heavy markeing to make it popular, then it still didn't perform, then their complaints would have merit. But to date, the only series they have done this with is Final Fantasy. Which is why FF is the only series which had surpassed the Japanese sales.
>>321496021
>Dragon Warrior
Remember that was Enix and Nintendo, not Square
>Horii
Yes, is probably who is behind of all this. Reminder that Jessica almost wasn't in Heroes because Horii, which is in charge of the roster, thought that only Yangus was fine as a DQ8 rep. Koei Tecmo producer literally begged Horii to include Jessica
Also Horii knew that DQ7-8 would be released in West soon
>>321498660
To be fair, having both Jessica and Yangus, but no DQVII rep, does seem kind of lopsided. It'll all work itself out with the sequel though.
Hell, even Terry from DQVI got in. But Maribel didn't? Very odd choices from a popularity/sales standpoint.
Never understood the appeal with Dragon quest, they're boring soulless grindfests.
FF shats all over it.
>>321498861
Perhaps the sequel will have DQ7 rep.
>>321498946
You don't have to like the series. But its the exact opposite of what you're describing. Dragon Quest is all soul. Its appeal is about NPC interaction, world building, exploration and nostalgia. The very core of 'soul' in an RPG. About the only series that has come close in my opinion is Suikoden.
>>321499273
Yeah, Maribel is already confirmed for DQH2.
>>321499273
>Perhaps the sequel will have DQ7 rep.
Hello?
>>321499495
>>321499587
Oh. I completely forgot..
>>321481212
>>321498861
It's kind of funny how the guy in red looks kind of cute in these fan arts, yet he's ugly as depicted by Toriyama, at the very least his face is masculine to the point of grotesqueness.
>>321499887
Its kind of done on purpose. He's suppose to look like the 'rugged handsome prince'. But in a comedic way. The prince in Shrek had the same design.
Plus, he's a joke character even in the plot.
>>321500246
Fair enough
