As someone that loved DaS1, is this game even worth playing?
Yes. It has its share of problems but it's a really good game.
Yes, its better
>>321418860
Yes. People will say otherwise but honestly I've played Dark Souls so many times its boring and too easy now but playing through DAS2 is still a challenge no matter how good I get at it.
If you loved DaS, you'll like DaS2. It's better in some ways and worse in some others. Overall it's not as good, but the DLC areas are some of the best in the entire franchise.
>>321419028
The weapons, armor, and character movement are all better.
no
>nonmemorable locales
>nothing is actually put together realistically
>most bosses are either:
>lol it's 2/3 of us at once
or
>lol I'll constantly summon adds
>either way they aren't dangerous alone and only made threatening because there's something else distracting you
>arbitrary and literal roadblocks
>>321419114
>>321419073
Okay now the real question, how does demon souls differ from dark souls?
>>321418860
I'm going to say no. If you loved DaS, this game is just going to disappoint you and make you unhappy. Because the problem isn't that DaS2 is bad, the problem is that it's worse than DaS1.
It's worth playing for the sheer build variety and improved PvP but overall you'll probably end up remembering the first more fondly
Make sure you get SotFS
>>321419138
epic
>>321418860
It is honestly not a good game and I think you'll be disappointed by it but yes you should play it and shitpost about it after several playthroughs
>>321418860
sotfs version absolutely yes
Holy shit I thought I was the only one on /v/ that defended this game. It's great, I think it plays a lot better than ds1 although its story and atmosphere is not quite as compelling.
i love ds2 for pvp, its way better than ds1's
Yes, just don't expect the same quality as DaS1.
>>321419413
>It is honestly not a good game
>>321418860
Worth a playthrough or two. PvP only if you can tolerate the worse controls compared to DS1.
Be sure to invest in adaptability because the game is basically broken if you don't have at least 110+ agility for roll iframes.
I'm pretty picky but I like what I've played so far (only got to the big knight boss in the beginning). From what I've gathered it's the worst Souls game, but it's still a Souls game so you're still gonna enjoy it.
>>321419413
>It is honestly not a good game
Nah. I disagree. DaS2 is a great game, even with its shortcomings.
>>321418860
>played a few hundred hours of das1
>preordered das2
>so underwhelmed by it that i never beat it and went back to das1 instead
>>321419187
The movement is definitely not better. DaS2 has low quality mocap animations, responsiveness issues, and atrocious deadzones. It not only controls worse, the animations straight up look worse.
>>321418860
If you loved ds1 for atmosphere, level and boss design, then no. But let's be real here: ds2 has more responsive and better gameplay. Some encounters and the game world are a bit dull by design, but it wasn't a dealbreaker for me. Make sure you will play the Scholar of the first sin edition though, it's way more enhanced and better overall
>>321418860
Yes, it's way harder to find enemy party windows and the parry/backstabbing animations look like shit for some reason
Other than that its a good improvement over dark souls 1
>>321419759
Why everyone keep saying that? I'm doing fine with my shield-less builds without investing on agility.
>>321419759
>worse controls compared to DS1
What? The controls are exactly the same except jump is not retardedly on the same button as run.
how long does the steam sale last? Should I bite at $18? Or will it go lower?
>>321419993
I mean adaptability.
>>321420072
That's it. No flash sales anymore son. Ends january 4th
I recently bought it and I gotta say movement feels crappier and so does responsiveness by enemies. Dont know why warrior class starts out with a broken straight sword and why a regular sword is such hell to find.
Also the effigy/hollowfication system is retarded. Apparently if I get stuck on an area or boss Im as fucked as I would be were I cursed because dying cuts down your health and makes your character looo uglier. Cant say I like the fact that estus flasks are so few.
>>321419997
movement is more floaty than in das 1. it is less crisp in comparison.
most people find das 2 more clunky to play.
>>321420242
>estus flasks are so few
lifegems are the answer
ds2 has an abundance of healing items
Am I imagining things or do enemies not respond to your attacks naturally? Like in DaS 1 theyd stagger or look hurt but in 2, they look far more static.
Am I just seeing things, because Im not sure.
>>321420484
Some enemies have an absurd amount of poise. Use blunt weapons to get more stagger effects and damage
>>321420242
>Cant say I like the fact that estus flasks are so few.
I would have liked the nerfing of estus if it were not for
>>321420363
>lifegems
Then again by the end of the game you can still get like 12 drinks from a +6 flask or whatever. After the first half of the game lifegems become totally redundant.
fuck multiple enemy fights
it's just dodging around for longer, waiting for openings. tedious af
>>321420345
I personally find it the same. At least DaS2 allows you to do a middle roll with 70% of equipment weight compared to the 25% required to do a fast roll in DaS.
>>321420484
No, you're right. DaS2's enemies don't stagger like the majority of DaS's enemies do. Blunt weapons staggers them more easily.
>>321420562
I dont think its poise. I swing broadswords at hollow infantry and I think theyre supposed to be staggered as they freeze in movement but it looks funny.
>>321420363
I fucking hate lifegems though.
Fuck the effigy system. Why should I lose so much when stuck on a boss. Now my waifu is bald.
>>321420739
Guess you're right, the animations can be a bit weird sometimes. I still get the feeling that maces are more effective for getting more better "impact"..
sure, some people seem to like itand even prefer it over the others
personally I didn't get into it as much as das1 and bloodborne but it was worth playing
>>321421000
Literally git gud. Also effigies are abundant and easy to get. If you have ascetics you can get 6 at a time in the first area in the game.
>>321418860
It's inferior to DS1 in basically every way, but it's worth playing through once or twice if you can get it cheaply and already played the other Souls games to death.
>>321420242
>movement feels crappier
>>321418860
As someone who enjoys both, you have a good chance of enjoying it, but for mostly different reasons than the first.
Vast improvement in some areas, really fucking dropped the ball in others (Deadzone problems and only a fix for 32-bit none-scholar version, input lag, queued button presses being dropped randomly).
It's the kind of game you only really enjoy when you put in some effort to looking past it's flaws.
>>321420906
>theres no healing items
"But theres tons of healing items."
>I dont like them though
>>321421745
>git gud
Shut up. Im decent at the game but from experience with DeS and DaS, there are going to be areas and bosses that you can get stuck on. Manus, O&S, Blighttown etc. I dont wanna deal with that kind of shit.
>>321418860
No, it's pure trash.
>>321422157
Dude I said estus flasks. Not healing items overall.
>>321422052
>(Deadzone problems and only a fix for 32-bit none-scholar version, input lag, queued button presses being dropped randomly)
Got any evidence of this? I had a feeling that queued button presses were getting dropped but I always thought it was just me pressing too fast.
>>321422209
>I dont wanna deal with that kind of shit.
Poor baby.
What's the soul level for multi in DaS2?
>>321422483
>Got any evidence of this?
It's not nearly as discussed as the other two issues I listed, because of obvious reasons, so I guess that point is more of an anecdotal issue me and a few people I've talked to experienced.
What it all adds up to in the end is that 'off' feeling in the movement and inputs when you go from the first to the second game.
Which to me goes farther to making the game feel like an attempt to copy DS1 than any of the level/boss design complaints the second gets.
>>321422483
>Poor Baby
Why would I want to lose half my health when Im trying to figure out how to beat a huge boss fight or get past a fucked up area? Or are you telling me youve never ever been stuck on anything at all? Even that shit in the Old Hunters DLC?
>>321423438
>brepare to die over and ober :DDD
>less health means a better challege rite? :D
>that's what dark souls was about right? :DDDD
-B Team
>>321418860
SOTFS is ok.
>>321419413
>several playthroughs
NG and NG+ is more than enough for DaS 2.
>>321420363
>ds2 has an abundance of healing items
Yeah, not as much as DeS, but still enough.
play the game yourself and get your own fucking opinion of it you fuck
I tried and failed to get DaS 1 working (DSfix just made the game unrunnable altogether). Is the PC version of II Any better?
>>321423438
There's a ring you get early on that halves the health loss so you're only missing 25% when fully hollow. Effigies are everywhere and you can even farm an infinite amount of them if you really want. Or you could just man the fuck up and stop whining because you can't see your waifus face that probably looks like shit despite the hours you spent fiddling with the sliders.
>>321423651
>demon's souls halves your health immediately after you die
>fanboys call dark souls casual shit for removing this mechanic
>ds2 finds a nice middle ground
>epic shitposting because dark souls was your first game in the series
Alright. Real talk OP. There's a new thread on Dark Souls 2 almost every week. I think that accounts for something.
The game has flaws compared to its predecessors, yes, but those flaws aren't enough to have it be overlooked entirely. Go for it.
Yes, it's the best game in the series.
>>321422676
DaS2 uses Soul Memory for matchmaking, not Soul Levels. go read up, it's quite fucked up in some aspects.
>>321423970
Wot
I played DaS1 on a 630m with DSfix perfectly, what specs you running?
>>321418860
Hell no. It completely fucks up the lore to fanfiction levels of bad beyond repair and has a completely different appeal.
If you liked attention to detail you can kiss that goodbye.
Dark Souls 2 is a disgracefully terrible game. Just ignore it.
>>321423970
Yeah, DS2's much, MUCH easier to setup on the PC compared to DS1. The KB+M controls is even functional this time round, but it suffers from a new mouse-input delay issue.
>>321424000
>you can't see your waifus face that probably looks like shit despite the hours you spent fiddling with the sliders
You sound like an anon who failed to create his battle waifu in DaS. I pity you.
>>321418860
I still play it regularly
it's really hard to find someone online (soul signs) so whenever I found one people then join play together it feels great
feels extremly lonely after
>>321422676
They fucked up even that. There's this thing called soul memory and it's basically an expiration date for your character.
Avoid this game, seriously, it's terrible.
>>321424841
PS4 is very active.
PC is shit for souls games.
>>321424883
what if I dont care about pvp and just want to run around pretending to be a knight on a quest? still not worth trying out?
>>321418860
It's worth it for the DLC alone.
Dark Souls 2 is a good game, there is some truth to what people say regarding the atmosphere/setting being lousy compared to Dark Souls 1, but I think the story is sort of charming and people definitely overdo it with the criticism.
Most of the other complaints are a bit silly. Soul Memory can be a pain but I understand what they were trying to do, and it worked.
It's honestly the most fun amongst the souls games, in my opinion, especially if you like pvp stuff.
>>321423889
>>321420363
>>321420583
Dark Souls 2 has lifegems, but they are slow, Estus is much slower as well, and fully upgraded doesn't heal as much as in Dark Souls.
Dark Souls gives you 20 drinks from your estus, it's much faster, and also gives you farmable humanity which is about as quick to use as a lifegem but heals instantly.
Healing in Demon Souls is the most annoying and Bloodborne probably has the fairest system, but going back to grinding was a bit silly.
>>321425046
Depends how much you care about the series as a whole. If you really liked dark souls 1, then no. If you don't give a fuck about it as a whole and just want something to pass the time, then maybe yes.
if you're going on PC get Scholar of the First Sin
>>321425196
I only played DeS, currently playing through DaS, I like them both but not enough to bother with the pvp/new game +
tfw you won't get to experience your first souls game blind again.
i miss demons
>>321425191
>Soul Memory can be a pain but I understand what they were trying to do, and it worked
Stopped reading there. Biggest fucking lie I've seen. It didn't do jackshit, specially on PC. All it did was completely kill off builds because of the large as fuck gaps and made everybody a hexing havelfag. It didn't do shit to stop twinking, it only struck a killing blow to this game's online scene.
>>321418860
only if you really liked DaS1 and want to see something new.
It has more flaws than DaS1 but it also has its own share of qualities that make it different from its predecessor.
Get SotFS since it comes with the DLCs.
>>321425321
Then you're not a fan, meaning you should just play it. You don't have enough emotional investment to the series to be bothered by how much they fucked everything up I suppose. You probably won't even notice some stuff.
Is the DaS1 PC fanbase the easiest fanbase to bait in the universe?
>>321420345
Ds2 is better in my opinion. When controls are delayed, you can really feel the weight of the character, specially if you go ultra sword and heavy armor. I find ds2 way less floaty, specially when jumping.
>>321425357
Twinking is hardly a problem in DS2, especially not when compared to DS1.
I hope DaS3 doesn't have buffered inputs
>>321425415
>It has more flaws than DaS1
HA
Half of DaS1 wasn't even finished, let alone any of it polished
>>321418860
Fuck no. It's the Duke Nukem Forever of the Souls series
>>321425534
And yet it's the better game.
Don't forget they had to remake DaS2 almost entirely from scratch halfway through development.
>>321425526
>I hope dark souls 3 turns more arcady
No.
>>321419993
>>321419997
Not him but Rolling is complete shit without agility. That may be what he means
>>321425467
i would say souls fanbase as a whole
and fallout one, on account of how fractured it is
also san andreas fags
>>321425632
DaS2 has better endgame whereas DaS1 is much better early on.
>>321425710
>I like to be locked into actions instead of playing on reaction
For what purpose
>>321425526
I don't even know what that means
>>321420242
There's a fire longsword in the 2nd area of the game and once you level up agl a little bit it's a lot faster than ds1
>>321418860
Here is some irrefeutable hard eveidence DaS2 is shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
>>321425354
Playing Demon's Souls for the first time was the most magical experience I've had gaming-wise ever since I was a fucking kid. I just can't put it into words.
I started playing it in a friday night and before I knew it, it was already monday. This shit was pure fucking magic. And the threads at the time, oh god were they good. The community was so self-contained. A shame it went to shit after ptde.
>>321425493
Twinking was hardly a problem in any game. And dark souls 2 had fuckall invasions because of how they butchered the invasion covenant, let alone twinkers. In any case, people grossly exagerated this """"problem"""" because someone handed their asses down to them, probably not even being a twink, so they went online to cry about it. You died like once, maybe twice tops - MAYBE - per playthrough and that's not counting how there was always a plethora of anti-twinkers ready to be summoned everywhere you went; you could play hollowed out in dark souls 1; you could play offline; you could simply outplay the twinker yourself and kill him; or you could just die and fucking deal with it provided you're not a fucking baby. Most overblown non-issue I've ever seen. From software active efforts into trying to stop it only made the games worse as a result without actually stopping anything. Wish they would just go back to the simplistic and perfect DeS formula.
>>321425794
If by endgame you mean PvP then yes, despite the soul memory and netcode bullshit the PvP feels more fair.
PvE wise, I'd say they're about the same on endgame, DaS2 having slightly better bosses and DaS1 having slightly bigger areas, with the dlcs of both games being about the same level of quality as well.
>>321425467
I'd say the DaS 2 fanbase. The mere mention of bloodborne sends them into an endless rage tantrum of damage control and crying. They also tried to basically retcon the hate this game got here when BB released out of spite and jealousy and they had to split the generals at /vg/.
>>321425632
At least it got made lmao.
DaS2 (especially SotFS) is beyond a doubt a better game. You cannot convince me otherwise as I have spent combined over 1200 hours on all three.
I think with all the dlc and SOTFS DaS2 has lore on par with DaS1
>>321425854
When the game puts an input into a sort of queue system while you're doing something else. If you've ever tried to heal and then changed your mind to roll instead, but then started to heal anyway, it's because it was buffered.
Or if that sounds too confusing, when you're swinging and do the input to heal, you will heal automatically after the swing is done.
>>321426096
Nah, DaS 1 fanbase starts shitposting at every single opportunity when DaS 2 is mentioned. Even in their own general. Mostly the PC fanbase if I had to guess.
>>321426102
>I have spent combined over 1200 hours on all three.
Nigga I have spent close to that on each souls game alone.
My opinion > yours.
>>321425956
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the first in a series of 194 reviews on how good I am at being a fucking spudnigger
>>321426218
>Nigga I have spent close to that on each souls game alone.
So you've spent 2400 hours playing DaS 2 and you say it's a bad game?
>>321426194
Debating which part of the pc fanbase is worse than another is pretty pointless though when the whole thing is trash, I'd say.
>>321426290
Stay mad that he utterly destroyed your shit game nigga
>>321425998
I wish I could get this enthusiastic about a game again
Playing demon souls for the first time I was feeling meh by the time I got out of boletaria, and was just rushing to finish it after firelurker
>>321426158
Alright I get it now
>>321426102
>I have spent combined over 1200 hours on all three.
So have I.
I can admit SotFS is a great improvement from the original DaS2, and I particularly don't think DaS2 is a shit game, but for me and the majority of people, what makes DaS1 the better game goes beyond the gameplay mechanics, there's atmosphere, soundtrack, art design, it all counts.
>>321426307
>2400
How did you get that number?
And no, dark souls 2 was the exception. It's by far the one I least played, even though I've put many hundred of hours into it. It's an enjoyable game, but not a good souls game.
>>321426354
The fanbase I am a part is the soul exception though
>>321426453
>but not a good souls game.
What makes a good Souls game?
>>321426368
I don't even like Dark souls I just think his voice is fucking annoying
>>321426549
Lost Izalith and areas with single digit framerate
>>321426432
Yes, of course it all counts, but DaS 2 is more of a complete package. Even if its lacking in some of the areas where DaS 1 excels. This, in my opinion, is what elevates it to a ever so slightly higher degree.
It's more consistent, rather than a roller coaster.
At no point in DaS 2 do I feel "great, THIS part" like I do when I enter Lost Izalith.
Of course it's all from a personal perspective, I value consistency highly when regarding entertainment.
>>321426393
I replayed demon's earlier this year and I had so much fucking fun because I found a guy to coop with. It really relived the sweet memories.
Bloodborne managed to make me feel close to this again though. I had my expectations so high for it and yet it managed to surpass them. I was blown away. But the first souls is the most special one. Nothing will beat the exquisite feeling of getting my virgin ass plowed by demon's souls again.
I really like this series. They are exactly what I expected out of gaming's evolution. I thought thing would get interesting like these games and ever more challenging, exciting, filled with surprises, clever and creative new mechanics (invasions are the shit) and lots of replayability. Too bad the rest of the industry is not ambitious and can only deliver the same handholding crap to pander to the lowest common denominator.
>>321426781
The very last thing you could say about dark souls 2 is say it's consistent. It's anything BUT that, starting with its atrocious level design, difficulty spikes and lore gaps. And it's filled with THOSE parts, starting with the whole Gutter.
>>321426797
I'm actually mad that you enjoy games that much
>>321426194
>Even in their own general.
This shits me the most. /tesg/ predominately discusses Skyrim despite it being the worst in the series. Yet if you try to talk about ds2 in the souls general half the people there nig out and kill the discussion. Fucking why.
>>321419218
Not that much anon DAS takes heavily from it's predecessor but is still it's own game. I personally found DS to be more enjoyable.
I kinda hate how they made offense miracles useless in DSII.
>>321426925
Then I suppose we feel differently.
>>321426549
To me it's attention to detail and cohesion. DaS 2 has none of that. Most things in the game have no afterthought on them and it's thoroughly unfinished.
>>321418860
They are different but not to the extent that if you liked DS1 you're going to dislike DS2
>>321426432
>there's atmosphere, art design, it all counts.
Dark Souls is derivative and generic as shit though. Especially from King's Field Demon's Souls and Berserk
>>321418860
If you only loved it for the gameplay, then yes.
If you loved it for the world, the lore, the setting, the story and so on, then no.
>>321426925
>atrocious level design
Armchair developers need to fuck outta here.
>>321426968
because Dark Souls one is kinda of a broken game and its pretty easy to make a broken destroy all PvP character. Its a lot harder in 2 thus people don't want to put in the effort or even hear about others doing the effort.
>>321426964
It helps not letting /v/ get to you because this place is so negative it actually affects you and your enjoyment out of games. You start nitpicking non-existent issues and overblowing their proportion. I tend to spend limited time here only instead of browsing it through the whole day like before and I feel better as a person because of that. Place is garbage.
>>321427041
>Muh cohesion
I will never understand faggot's obssesion with this.
No, its a massive turd just wait for Dark Souls 3
>>321427062
>If you loved it for the world, the lore, the setting, the story
So if you have shit taste? I swear people watch Vaati and ENB and all of a sudden delude themselves into thinking DaS1 has good writing on any front
>>321427154
>Armchair developers
Thanks I finally a term to throw at people overly critical of certain games
>>321427210
I do that too but I still didnt have half the fun you had with DeS, quit DaS after moonlight butterfly too
>>321427323
meant for
>>321427147
>>321427154
Now show us earthen peak to iron keep, or majula to heide's, or heide's to no man's wharf, or how the whole plot consists of having to fight 4 god-like beings to surpass the overwhelming knee-high pile of rubble, or how once you go through a tiny tunnel after it in a foggy forest at day light you arrive at a rainy passageway in the night. Tell us more about that "great" level design, """"professional"""" developer.
>>321426781
>Yes, of course it all counts, but DaS 2 is more of a complete package.
Being complete doesn't mean it's better, and I see your point, but for me, the fact that Dark Souls 2's areas are much smaller and linear is a noticeable flaw, and I'd rather have some big areas with good exploration rather than many small areas with not much to explore.
>>321427062
So is DaS2 by that argument, since it derivates all of its lore and ideas from the first game with small differences.
>>321427210
Yeah honestly if you want some serious good game discussion you go to Neogaf or Reddit
>>321427323
A das 2 fanboy talking about others having shit taste is about the most ludicrous irony.
But please pull off more projections out of your ass to justify your shitty taste over an uncohesive mess.
>>321427497
>mention how I didn't really like the setting of fallout 3 but quite enjoyed some quests, preferred nv all the way
>downboted by 300 people
>neogaf
>mention how I really enjoyed the sexual aspects of witcher games
>ISP banned and nearly doxed
This place might be shit but at least I can say what I fucking want
>>321427436
>Now show us earthen peak to iron keep, or majula to heide's, or heide's to no man's wharf, or how the whole plot consists of having to fight 4 god-like beings to surpass the overwhelming knee-high pile of rubble, or how once you go through a tiny tunnel after it in a foggy forest at day light you arrive at a rainy passageway in the night.
Am I the only one who actually likes all this? I prefer my fantasy settings to be illogical and, well fantastical. Except the rubble, that was pretty retarded
>>321427497
If by good game discussion you mean wholesome company asskissing and fanboys jerking eachother off then sure, there is good game discussion to be had there.
>mfw newfags see DS2 as anything more than a quick cash grab by namco following the DS1 PC flood of shitters begging for sequel
you have to be willingly retarded not to see the difference between Bteam DS2 and the rest of the series
>>321427751
I'm okay with illogical physical space if they can hide it well. But the case of EP->IK and that rubble were really obvious and seemed like they didn't put in much effort to conceal them.
>>321427497
If you want game discussion you go to /vg/. The most you're gonna deal with is one or two tripfags that every tells to fuck off.
Reddit is a bunch of dad gamers who barely know anything about gaming as a whole and that go out of their way to defend dlc, season passes, microtransactions and other cancerous garbage. Subreddits are also glorified circlejerks because if you say anything remotely negative or use any swearing they downvote the fuck out of you. You have to do an unsurmoutanble effort to go out of your way to voice out your concers over something and fill it with as much euphemisms as humanly possible while practically begging for mercy if you want to get your point across. They are also delusional as fuck because they tend to believe that reddit somehow represents the game's community, such as poor fucks at the bloodborne subreddit who think that reddit is the one deciding the meta and that it is now 150 because reddit said so, even though the game has never had any proper meta and you find huge amounts of activity every-fucking-where.
Neogaf has too much agenda pushing, a clear pro-sony bias that annoys the fuck out of me, even though I'm also sony-biased, and you can't disagree with the hivemind unless you want to get banned. They are also the kind of people who unironically say garbage like "30 fps is more cinematic" and are way too fucking self-important for any kind of meaningful discussion. Yes, there's good discussion in the most niche appealing threads, but anything outside of that is pure rage inducing material.
>There're people that think DkS2 more than DkS 1
>>321418860
If you liked DARK SOULS 1 then no don't play cause you're going to think its a stinking pile of fossilized pterodactyl shit. It's an okay game but a bad dark souls game.
The world is more linear compared to dark souls 1 and it isnt as interesting. You cant level up at bonfires. You'll also see that the game tries really hard to make things "Difficult" This is usually achieved my just throwing large clumps of enemies right at you. In a game where the combat is based off of 1v1 encounters and where it is at its best on a 1v1 fight this is really stupid. Also if i remember correctly, some enemies have an obscene level of tracking in their attacks.
The same thing also applies to bosses. A good chunk of the bosses is either a single big thing with a lot of little things there to make it hard or just multiple humanoids with REALLY long attack reach. It's not really difficult, its just really fucking annoying and very uninspired. The shitty enemy set ups only encourage you to use really cheesy strategies just to even the playing field which isn't very fun.
The controls also suck and isn't as tight and precise as the first game and the animations are very deceptive. Rolling in dark souls 2 is vastly inferior to the first game.
>>321428057
>If you want game discussion you go to /vg/.
Only when the game is still recent
>>321428080
How dare they
Have they found a way to make Dark Souls 1 run on a monitor that's anything but 60hz or rare cases of 120hz?
My 70hz monitor is the only thing holding me back apparently.
If I download Dsfix and put it through the nexus mod manager will that help?
Why did From have to port a broken version of the game to PC?
>>321428080
>There's people that think and do when DkS2 and more than DkS1
Bought it in the sale, expecting it to be not nearly as bad as people claim. I'm already pretty sick of the enemy ambushes with like 5 hollows surrounding you. Game seems entirely reliant on summons, unless I've missed something massive.
>>321428169
It depends on what you're after. Sometimes just by looking at the OPs you'll probably find whatever you're looking for.
In any case it's still much better than having to deal with poorfag underages whose parents can only buy them one platform so they defend it to death and bash everything else, like in here, or the self-important fucking faggots at neogaf and the clueless dad gamers who think the world revolves around them at reddit. Never used gamefaqs but from what I've seen it's a nintendrone clusterfuck that I want nothing to do with. We already have enough of this miserable kind here.
>>321419138
pretty sure that's not nikola tesla m8
>>321428373
I played it on a 75hz monitor without issue, can you not just set it to 60hz? Also isn't the game limited 30 fps anyway?
>>321428021
There's nothing wrong with the transition from Earthen Peak to Iron Keep. I will never understand the mass retardation surrounding this particular area. You never go to the top of the EP tower. You go a third of the way up, then into the mountain behind the tower, then up the elevator to the top of the mountain. The mountains are visible behind the tower when you first enter the area. When you explore the upper areas of the tower you can see it connect to the rock of the mountain behind it. You climb a few ladders inside but you can physically see (and the map data here proves it) that you go through and behind the tower. How did this obvious shit manage to confuse the entire internet bar me? I'll never now.
>Souls Memory
>Cracked Orbs only
>Agility
>Elevator to sky volcano.
>Invasion only viable in NG+
It's still better than Blunderborne, but not by much
>>321428446
They made dark souls 2 with co op in mind. Hence the obscene amount of enemy clumps and why most bosses have multiple enemies.
>>321428080
They don't, it's just console war faggotry from salty poorfags. There was none of this crap before bloodborne got released. I still remember the release day of bloodborne and the dozens of threads begging for a dark souls 2 reevaluation out of sheer spite.
>>321428447
Lmao this
Single platform fanboyism ruins games, I bet DaS2 would be quite hailed if it was exclusive to any one platform
>>321425805
Slow and weighty combat where your choices mattered is why many loved the Souls games. Go play Devil May Cry if you want floaty easy mode combat
>>321428534
I only have the 70hz option and you would think with it being limited to 30fps there wouldn't be a problem, but the game still crashes right before character creation comes up.
Steam says I almost have 2 hours on the game, that's literally time just spent in the start up screens.
Get Scholar of the First Sin, it fixes many of the issues present in DAS2 base game
>>321428615
what's with this Bloodborne is bad meme?
>>321428615
>Souls Memory
Not a problem.
>Cracked Orbs only
Easily farmable or obtainable through normal gameplay.
>Elevator to sky volcano.
Not real, you're retarded.
>Invasion only viable in NG+
Except it's not. If you actually used your CREs when you got them instead of pussyfooting around you would have realised this.
>>321428615
>almost a year later
>they are still butthurt
>>321428767
weird, try forcing vsync off and limiting the game with rivatuner or your preferred software
or finding a way to underclock your monitor, if such a thing is even possible
>>321428834
>soul Memory
>not a problem
>It punishes you for helping people
>Makes it impossible to make level bracket specific characters
>Cosplay builds now impossible.
>Not a probleml
>Not a problem
>Glazing over the biggest issue like its nothing
>Not a problem
>>321428834
>Elevator to sky volcano.
>Not real, you're retarded.
literally wat
>>321428767
Force 60 fps through the driver. If you own an nvidia card you can create a custom resolution in the nvidia control panel and set the Hz to anything you want. AMD probably has something equivalent in the catalyst.
>>321428834
>>Souls Memory
>Not a problem.
>Translation: I like Marry Sue characters
>>Elevator to sky volcano.
>Not real, you're retarded.
>Translation: I have no actual proof for the argument so fuk u!!
Other two arguments are right though.
>>321429002
Which SotFS fixed with the agape ring.
>>321422209
>Blighttown
people actually find this place hard? i only died twice and one of those deaths was because i died from poison while trying to equip poison resistant armor, i still cleared the place in an hour or so on my first playthrough.
honestly if you wanna talk difficulty undead burg and darkroot garden were where i died the most. blighttown was piss easy although i didn't like the atmosphere.
>>321429019
>Force 60 fps through the driver. If you own an nvidia card you can create a custom resolution in the nvidia control panel
Okay so I'm in the control panel and its only showing the 70hz option, wat du.
>>321429019
>literally wat
>>321429045
>Translation: I have no actual proof for the argument so fuk u!!
Two retards with no spatial awareness see >>321428556
>>321429002
>Makes it impossible to make level bracket specific characters
Except it doesn't.
>Cosplay builds now impossible
Except they're not.
>>321429045
>Translation: I like Marry Sue characters
What the fuck has that got to do with Soul Memory?
>B-Team tries to do their own blight town
>makes everything pitch black after 50 ft
>now there's nothing redeemable, no vistas to be looked at
>instead it's some shitty blight town x crypt of the giants crossover that nobody likes
>>321429269
Change Resolution -> Customize... -> tick the "enable resolutions not exposed by the display" option and then click the "Create Custom Resolution..." button -> set up the resolution (will probably already be set to your native one so you probably won't have to change anything) and then manually type in "60" in the "Refresh Rate (Hz)" field -> Hit Test -> Hit OK -> it takes you back to the "Change Resolution" screen -> select the newly created resolution -> Hit Apply -> done.
>>321429269
If you're on a laptop you have to change it in the intel control panel. The option should be there under display settings.
>>321429564
>What the fuck has that got to do with Soul Memory?
You're forced to level up because if you just let a huge amount of souls go to waste then you're going to be severely under-leveled and will most likely get shat on from invaders.
Since invasion goes by soul memory and not soul level.
>>321429564
>>321428556
Get fucking roasted, son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMFDummTtp8
>>321429664
Crossing my fingers this works.
>>321429931
Report back with your results.
>>321429763
>when I noclip through the walls the level doesn't make sense!
Literally all videogames are like this. It's done to save memory and work hours. There's no point in modelling and texturing masses of land that the player can never see or get to without clipping through walls. How many people do you think no-clipped their way into Iron Keep on their first playthrough? Fucking nobody.
>>321429931
Also if your screen goes black when you hit test that means the refresh rate is not supported by your monitor. Just wait a bit and don't do anything and it will revert back to your previous configuration.
>>321430091
Yes, keep sidestepping now after you've gotten proved wrong saying "y-you j-just go into t-the mountain!!!" when the video shows otherwise. Rev up the damage control, shitter. You're done for through and through.
>>321429984
Still broke, damn
>>321430129
Wait what?
It did that but I thought that was just it applying the changes, you mean its still at 70hz?
>there people still memeing about earthen peak when there is something much worse in DaS1
>>321430326
When you create a custom resolution and hit Test and the screen goes black, that means your monitor doesn't support the new settings and it will revert back after a few seconds. It says so on the screen that pops up.
>>321430353
It's okay when it's DaS1 though
>>321430446
Its saying your changes have been applied for me.
Not that it doesn't support it.
>>321430326
try this instead
>>321430630
>>321430353
Let's not forget
https://youtu.be/L5yjXbhEWkQ?t=10
![Antichamber-Screenshot-6[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5YtpsTc.png "Antichamber-Screenshot-6[1].png")
>>321430252
Fuck yourself, you haven't proven anything. If you noclip through Antichamber, you'll notice that the level designer isn't actually a fourth dimensional wizard that can design non-euclidean space in a 3d environment. Your argument is invalid as fuck.
>>321418860
absolutely not
play bloodborne instead
or wait for das3
>>321430667
Tried, still nothing.
Maybe its because I might have Dsfix installed incorrectly?
Should I delete local content and remove all dsfix and try again?
I have pretty decent internet so I dont mind redownloading the game.
>>321431164
Worth a try I guess
Make sure you got dsfix configured properly too, as far as I remember there was something related to AA that would break it
>>321430989
BB also has a fishing village on top of a clocktower, which is the same shit as Iron Keep.
>>321430989
>>321430353
DELETE THIS
>>321425956
>listening to a paddy more than a second
Fuck no. Go back to begging for potatoes.
>>321431406
except BB actually executed it right by with a giant celestial clock opening up instead of a fucking magic elevator ride for no reason
Okay, okay.
So you know how in DaS1 the first half of the game was fucking awesome and the second half was kind of irritating?
DaS2 is basically "alright" all the way through. There's no super shitty area besides a couple of instances, and the game follows a more steady line. But because of that, it makes DaS2 less memorable overall.
>>321431601
>they executed it right by using a magic elevator ride instead of a fucking magic elevator
Cor blimey.
>>321431395
I think I still had stuff in the .ini files messed up when I tried to unlock the game to 70fps as a solution, which now makes no sense to me, so I'm currently just doing a clean reinstall. If it works without Dsfix I wont touch anything, if I need Dsfix, what SHOULD I do?
>>321431601
>except BB actually executed it right
lel are you even trying?
>>321431707
>fleshed out animations of a giant clock opening up to reveal a portal to lovecraftian shit
versus
>magic elevator with no context and no reason because laziness and B-team
yeah, no, fuck off
>>321431716
You never tried the game without DSfix first before?
You need DSfix to set it to your monitors resolution or more, otherwise its stuck at 720p or whatever, just open up dsfix.ini and set a correct resolution there and turn off ingame AA, it automatically downsamples if you have the gear for it too and at 1080p the game barely uses any GPU power so yeah. Make sure to have ingame AA turned off
other options are up to you, just read them
>>321431950
>>magic elevator with no context
There's a big ass mountain behind the windmill, retard
>>321431946
are you?
https://youtu.be/5Om2_r-wJMk?t=271
compared to an elevator ride leading to nowhere "just because"
the former actually has context and looks really nice
>>321431950
>no context and no reason
Oh right, the effects of hollowing have never been adressed.
Noone complains about memory loss..
>>321418860
Would anyone have honestly even noticed this whole Iron Keep thing if it hadn't been spammed into a meme by autists on here?
Seems like it's just people trying to sound like they know level design, or people so cynical they can't just enjoy a game for the sake of enjoying a game.
>>321432118
First reason I had to go into the .ini files was to turn off AA.
Game crashes if I click PC Settings, so this time if it doesnt crash when I click that I'll assume I'm golden.
>>321432238
prove it
even if there was, it's not big enough to hole lava land unless there were a plethora of mountains
>>321432353
I don't even understand your argument.
>>321419191
>bosses only have distractions to be difficult.
Theres less of those types than alone bosses.
>>321419218
-It's not open world, levels are much tighter and better designed.
-Atmosphere is alot darker
-combat comparatively limited
-feels slightly more 'anime'
-has harsher max weight penalties
-harder to upgrade weapons
-doesn't feel unfinished
>>321432293
>elevator ride leading to nowhere "just because"
THERE
IS
A
MOUNTAIN
LOOK AT IT
IT'S RIGHT THERE
>>321432293
>looks really nice
It's amazing how easy it is to fool people if it looks nice.
Never mind the garbage gameplay, just look at the shiny.
>>321432419
well good luck, if it doesn't work after reinstall i'm not even sure what else to suggest except fresh OS, and if you're that desperate make sure to install 7
>>321432786
you forgot
-half the game and bossfights are underwhelming as all fuck
>>321432867
>garbage gameplay
we're talking about bloodborne, not das2
>>321432792
>image of a slope next to the windmill
>"MOUNTAIN CONFIRMED ITS CONNECT TO A MOUNTAIN OKAY?!?!"
>>321431950
>cinematic 2deep4u
versus
>intense amnesia due to player losing his mind
>>321432867
Are you talking about Bloodborne or Dark Souls 2? Dark Souls 2 has shit gameplay and is ugly. Bloodborne has great gameplay and is pretty. I think people are having a hard time understanding nightmares.
>>321433238
>intense amnesia due to player losing his mind
>this his how DaS2 fags ACTUALLY defend the elevator ride to iron keep
AH AHAHAHA
>>321433032
IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THIS PICTURE YOU CAN SEE A MOUNTAIN
IN CASE IT'S STILL DIFFICULT I CIRCLED IT FOR YOU
CAN YOU SEE IT YET?
>>321433570
?
the top of that tower is not connected to any mountains in that image
>>321433526
>recurring theme is memory loss and insanity
>it must not apply to this part
ok papi
>>321432513
You are a hollowing undead.
Hollowing undeads lose their memories.
You literally don't remember parts of the journey.
>>321432786
what does more anime mean?
>>321433570
Not to mention the big ass mountain range behind earthen peak
>>321433706
You never get to the top of the tower
>>321433570
>Mountain in the distance
>like miles a-fucking-way
>ITS RIGHT THERE GUYS
>>321433737
>>321433782
>illogical and nonsensical level design because you're fucking lazy
>"y-you don't understand, the MC has memory problems so an elevator going no where makes complete sense"
>"m-muh lore"
HOLY SHIT
THE DELUSION
HAHAHAHA THIS FUCKING DRONING
>>321433931
>You never get to the top of the tower
yes you do, and the mountain is not connected to the tower are any point either
it's clearly in the background
>>321434052
Pot calling the kettle black, etc.
>>321433706
You do not go to the top of the tower. The map data proves this.
>>321434040
It literally connects to the building. If you look closely at this picture (>>321432792), you can see the way the building connects to the rock.
>>321429124
>fixed
>released a year later for an extra fee and requiring you to give up a ring slot
That's being charged extra for a workaround to a flawed design decision. Plus this "fix" came around after the game's PvP community was more or less dead anyway, so who cares. I don't see how that's a positive.
>>321434052
>illogical and nonsensical level design because you're fucking lazy
>"y-you don't understand, it's just a dream so a clocktower leading to a fishing hamlet in the sky makes complete sense"
>"m-muh lore"
This hypocrisy makes me rock hard.
>>321434052
>illogical and nonsensical reasons behind coop mode
>"y-you don't understand, time is convoluted/muh resonant bells"
Both the souls series and bloodborne are filled with this kind of nonsense
>>321434174
You don't, the windmill blades are directly below the top of the tower, the elevator is way back further on the back after the boss room.
You just have shit spacial awareness
>>321434052
You use Anastasia's soul to bring her back to life in DaS, a process that is explained nowhere and reproduced never ever, and can be more or less resumed by "it's magic fucko".
Somehow, though, an elevator followed by a drastic change of setting for someone loosing his marbles is completely not okay with you.
>>321434301
post map data
>>321434451
>Bloodborne
Conveys crazy nonsensical shit happens in the dream, which has shown been shown prior to the fishing hamlet. Crowhead dogs, doghead crows, buildings twisting and growing out of walls.
>DkS2
Doesn't convey the memory loss shit in any other instance, other than a few lines of dialogue with a few npcs.
>>321434929
here >>321428556
>>321435376
Can be shifted the other way round if you want it hard enough. You can look at Bloodborne as an incoherent mess with no scyzophrenic art that can't decide on whether it wants to be Van Helsing, Charles Dexter Ward, Mountains of Madness or Penny Dreadful.
>>321436028
Eh not really, you can think all that but you can't deny that the it properly conveyed that crazy, nonsensical shit happens in dreams. Even if someone did think all that, it would be immediately obvious they had t played the game.
>>321433827
robo skellies, bigger swords and the way your character runs just made it feel more Japanese than Dark Souls.
>>321435376
Hmm, what do you think those melting faces in the intro symbolice while the hag talks to you long forgotten dreams and shit?
>>321436453
I suppose so, I like both but I know there are way more limitations to DaS2 due to time restraints and all. Sad to see it's nigh impossible to have a decent conversation in souls thread.
it's better than DaS1 since it doesn't go to complete shit after 2/3rds into the game
>>321432417
It's pretty noticeable, not as much as the level of water in Heide's Tower of Flame and No Man's Wharf though. They could have just made a straight corridor instead of an elevator after the boss though. Would have made more sense.
>>321437013
Underated post of the day.
It's funny how people ignore that fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jdBIjCJ5QI
>>321438310
Sorry, I meant way more noticeable than the water level.
>>321438324
This guy put it best >>321431616
You basically have to choose what you prefer, a game with an amazing first half and a dissapointing second half, or a game that's entirely mediocre. I still see every end-game area of DaS1, with the exception of the Ruins of Izalith, as better than damn near anything in DaS2.
>>321437013
>god tier first half with shit second
or
>mediocre piss all the way through
>>321438828
DaS2 isn't even mediocre.
It's pretty good all the way through.
DaS1 is amazing up until Anor Londo, then it shits itself.
Maybe if there was respeccing so I didn't have through the game again and again, my opinion of it would be better.
>>321418860
Better than Bloodborne.
>>321425727
You just need 88 agility and you have the same iframes as a fatroll in DaS. And you can easily beat DaS with fatrolls. Some bosses might give you trouble with weird hitboxes like Aava and Smelter Demon, but then you just need 96 agility, which is the same iframes as a midroll. You really don't need to invest much.
>>321420242
>Dont know why warrior class starts out with a broken straight sword and why a regular sword is such hell to find.
There's a shortsword in the area with all the soldiers who pretend to be dead in FotFG. There's a morningstar in Majula. There's a dagger in Things Betwixt that does some nice backstab damage for starts.
>>321419218
It pulled very few punches when it comes to PVP.
>Infinite invasion item can be found quickly if you know where to go
>Invading is the alternative to beating a boss or co-op to regain human form
>No restrictions on healing or recharging spells
>Poison and equipment breaking mist spells have fast casting speed
>Weapon dedicated to breaking equipment
>Level draining spell
>Die to the environment as an invader and you lose a level
>PVP is explicitly about being a demon who makes things harder for other players first, and about fair dueling second. Willing duels are only available in NG+.
