>m-muh Obsidian!
See pic related if you want to see what Obshittian manage to make when they aren't leeching off another developer
>>321403156
Obisidan were always meme developers shilled by a vocal minority of autists.
>>321403156
still better than any game made by bethesda.
>>321403750
That's not saying much
>>321403156
Obshitian never released good game. STORYFAGGOT garbage, everthing. Inb4 "RPG's WERE ALWAYS ABOUT STORY" - stop playing shit RPG's and JRPG's
That NV was better than Fallout 3 is no surprise because Bethesda isn't any better.
>>321403156
>m-muh metacritic
You're a faggot.
>literal hipster meme game
delete thread
hidden, see ya
Alpha Protocol is great
Pillars of Eternity is great
I'm glad they aren't tied to Fallout anymore
>>321403156
AP is their best game, and it's amazing. Played through it twice.
>>321403156
more endings and choices than fallout 3 and fallout 4. nice try faggot.
This is the same thing where Bethesda has credit for making a Cory in the House game
>>321403156
>KOTOR II
>PIllars of Eternity
>Fallout: New Vegas
>Mask of The Betrayer
>not great
>>321406114
/v/ has a huge hate-boner for Pillars of Eternity for some reason. I don't get it. It's easily the best CRPG released in over a third of a decade.
>>321403156
And Alpha Protocol still has the most widely branching narrative of any game this generation, if not of any game of all time.
>>321403156
That's literally a good game though
Alpha Protocol is a kusoge cult classic like Deadly Premonition. But it's also one of the better roleplaying games.
Shut the fuck up OP and TURN UP THE RADIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtGK9Upt3J4
>>321406227
For most of /v/, the pinnacle of RPGs are Bethesda games or jRPGs shovelware and are afraid of pic related.
>buy Alpha Protocol for $5 during a sale years ago
>it's now in my top 3 favorite games of the last decade
>>321403156
(You)
>>321406227
I liked it as a whole but I felt like the kickstarter backer elements detracted from the overall game when every town had 3 NPCs that would tell you some backer fanfiction for every 1-2 NPCs that had any dialogue worth a damn.
At the same time, if there were a mod to remove all backer-created NPCs, the game would be a barren wasteland which is a shame because I enjoyed the majority of the game.
>>321403156
yeah, that game is mediocre as shit
>>321407289
This game had so much potential but it feels so unfinished in the later part of the game and so outdated in some departments.
I remember that the founders said they regretted that they didn't find someone else to handle their company so they could 100% focus on their game development.
>>321407589
>tfw you'll never be tasked to make a super faithful modern remake of Arcanum with a proper ending
Why bother living?
>>321407289
there he is
the arcanum apologist
man, don't I LOVE games that play like an early alpha version
AP is great.
Go meet the Heck and drink some bleach.
>>321406227
Pillars of Eternity felt like Icewind Dale remade with worse setting and combat. And since combat with a cool backdrop was already Icewind Dale's entire purpose, there's basically no reason at all to play Pillars of Eternity.
ap is quite possibly one of the best modern rpgs ever made. i rate it in the same tier as bloodlines. the gun mechanics were obviously trash, but it was a stealth game and the stealth game play wasn't really that bad
>>321404589
>Alpha Protocol is great
Yes
>Pillars of Eternity is great
LOL
>>321406227
>/v/ has a huge hate-boner for Pillars of Eternity for some reason
Because it's garbage and proves the Kickstarter model doesn't work.
>>321403156
They don't know what they are doing with aw and the game is already dying.
>>321403750
You forgot about TES series, it was made by Bethesda actually.
>>321407717
>I can't appreciate slightly flawed gems
Literally 0 major issues. Some quality of life problems here and there but nothing you can't handle unless you were born after 1995.
Also it has unparalleled world building, atmosphere, consistency and a brilliant unification between narrative and mechanics.
>>321407959
Are you implying those are good games ?
Maybe Morrowindmaybe
>>321408031
>>321407181
>>321407979
you can literally beat the game using 1 spell
>>321407959
>tes
>good
Wew lad
>>321407289
>People don't like games that have great potential but fail because the dev don't know how to make game
Just like new Jagged alliance games!
>>321408298
You can literally beat Skyrim and Fallout with stealth.
>>321407854
>Because it's garbage and proves the Kickstarter model doesn't work.
A game not being great, even if that's accurate, is absolutely no evidence of crowdfunding's potential.
![Dungeon_Siege_III[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p0Yqij0.jpg "Dungeon_Siege_III[1].jpg")
>tfw Obsidian's most polished game is the one nobody remembers
It wasn't particularly memorable but it wasn't a janky mess like everything else they've put out.
>>321408657
south park the stick of truth was pretty bug free.
Are people really that assblasted that F4 is a shitty game they have to try and drag glorious Obsidian through the dirt everyday? New Vegas is the best modern Fallout, just deal with it faggots.
>>321408742
Stick of Truth actually turned out pretty solid despite going through dev hell didn't it?
>>321404024
Nigga, RPGs have been all about story for 20 years now. You'd have to go back to SSI days to experience some RPGs not centered around story and characters.
>giving a shit about gayman journalism and metacritic
>>321408298
You can beat the game just punching your way through the main quest as a half-ogre, doesn't make the game half bad.
>>321403156
>new vegas is a half finished turd
>it's bethesda's fault
>knights of the old republic 2 is a three quarter finished turd
>it's bioware's fault
>dungeion siege 3 is unfit to be pressed to a fucking disc
>it's microsoft's fault
>alpha protocol is an unplayable, glitch-addled catastrophic piece of shit despite FIVE years in development, THREE increases in budget, and TWO deadline extensions
Why does /v/ treat this dogshit developer like they're untouchablely good, again?
>>321408298
What's your point? Magic is easy mode overall. Everything is viable in Arcanum just not on the same level difficulty. If you gripe about MUH BALANCE I'd like you to meet Josh Sawyer and have him explain how that worked out for him.
>>321408657
A lot of butthurt about DS3 comes from the fact it's not like the first two games but plays more like Dark Alliance. As far as more tangible complaints go there's dodgy itemization and shitty MP mode.
>>321407289
I used to love WRPGs, but their quality kept going down so I ended up enjoying JRPGs. Dragon's Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 were my last hopes, but EA made sure to kill that.
Is Underrail any good? It looks like I might enjoy that one, but I just don't know anymore.
>metacritic score is low.
>that must mean it's bad.
Actually play that game instead of trying to start a shit thread next time. AP came out of nowhere for me and was actually pretty fun and entertaining, I'd give it a 8/10.
>>321408971
Meme magic.
Hi there
But AP was good, I don't understand your post
>>321408971
>>alpha protocol is an unplayable, glitch-addled catastrophic piece of shit despite FIVE years in development, THREE increases in budget, and TWO deadline extensions
SEGA. Obsidian had creative freedom as far as writing went, but SEGA wanted more control over everything else and the result is a fucking mess. Did you know game uses placeholder sneaking animations even though fully completed animations are actually in the game and simply didn't get enabled? Also, dropping that patch support like a rock because Obsidian doesn't own the IP and SEGA wanted nothing to do with it anymore after launch.
>>321408298
>Single player games need to have ABSOLUTELY BALANCED APPROACHES TO EVERYTHING
I hope you never get to design anything. Mild tasteless soup is boring.
>>321409201
Hello, how are you?
>>321403156
>bottom tier developers
they definitely are these days, working on russian MMO trash and with best devs gone from them. Hell, even Avellone left and that should tell you how bad the situation is over there.
>>321408971
It's a legacy. VtM:B is Activision and Valve's fault and Troika was put to ground by Bethesda back when they stole Fallout from them.
>>321406227
PoE is in a very askward place.
Many people that like newer RPGs shit on it because it's old and isometric and real time with pause.
Many people that liked older D&D-based RPGs basically shit on it because it's not exactly one of those games. So they end up hating the ruleset and things like that.
>>321408971
lol. I actually work in the this shit industry and SEGA LOVES micromanaging the shit out of everything and wasting everybody's time with stupid decisions they end up scrapping and reworking tim and again, even if they're just publishing. There's a reason SEGA is what it is now.
>>321407352
Anime posting and shi taste all in one
>>321408971
Because they're decent devs that have to dance around the eggshells of shitty devs who don't give a fuck about making good games anymore.
I mean, Bethesda is willing to pay normies to hype their games up, KOTOR 2 was mismanaged as fuck and was probably around the point when Bioware was about to drop the ball on TORtanic, and M$ has been jewing gamers out of funds for years.
I mean, are you seriously implying that any of those companies actually have gamer's best interest in mind?
Are you implying that it's Obsidian's fault that they had to work with shitty pubs over the years?
>>321409356
>Hell, even Avellone left and that should tell you how bad the situation is over there.
It was supposedly over a family situation which prevents him from working full time anywhere these days. He mentioned it in a recent interview somewhere-
>>321403156
Alpha Protocol is far better than anything Bethesda has made
>>321409316
Stupidly enough, Arcanum did have a bit of balance in it if you looked at its background. Technology was all about making the common man smarter through manufacturing whereas magic was about making one guy a hero among heroes. Six tech soldiers with pimped out rifles about equal one legendary supersoldier with magical equipment. Its just that the tech soldiers are easier to replace.
>>321408971
>KOTOR2 is Bioware's fault
>Not Lucasarts after they 'restructured' and put all the morons in charge
>the same morons thatokay'ed Force Unleashed 2and shitcannedFree Radical's BF3 and a Rogue Squadron HD collection
>>321408016
Morrowind isn't a good game though, it's a good book, and that's the truth. It's a good platform to send your mind wandering off into a story, soaking in details as you go, but if you treat it as a game, oh buddy it is not a great time.
You get too much or next to nothing for growing, depending on skills you use regularly and whether you train for stats before leveling. Quests take you to cool places, and show you cool things, but are functionally just fetch quests or "kill these n'wahs over here". Combat is a stat check, followers are the stupidest they will ever be, and the whole thing was written on a potato and jammed into your CD drive so it crashes fairly regularly.
I love the thing that Morrowind is, I have more than 200 hours in it, but it's not a good game, it's a fantastic multitude of ideas, a dream if you will.
>>321409417
To be fair, KotOR2 was literally their fist game as a new company and some argue it still outdid the original in many ways that actually matter for an RPG. NWN2 was also kinda in the same situation, except it couldn't beat NWN1 in its MP and custom content department. And what you said
>Because they're decent devs that have to dance around the eggshells of shitty devs who don't give a fuck about making good games anymore.
is completely true as well. Keep in mind Obsidian had bankruptcy marked on their calendar in case PoE kickstarter fell through and that was after firing like 30 people or something. It's no wonder they're jumping on pretty much any project they can get these days.
>>321409417
What shitty devs were involved with the collossal fuck up that is Alpha Protocol?
>>321409528
Kek
>dialogue wheel
>doesn't even give you a hint at what you're going to say
>literally 1 word options
>worst TPS, stealth or gameplay period, of any RPG i've played
They are fucking liquid shit developers. Morrowind & Daggerfall >>>>> any meme game Obshittian can shit out
>>321408867
You see - RPGs turned into STORYFAGGOT direction 20 years ago and hardly anything of worth was produced since. Only instant gratification bullshit.
There are exceptions like Wizardry 8 but there's too few of them.
>>321409081
JEYNE KASYNDER
JEYNE KASYNDER
JEYNE KASYNDER
>>321408971
This. When you find yourself shifting the blame onto other developers literally every time and then the best Obsidian can do on their own (when they aren't leeching on other companies success) is fucking PoE and Alpha Memecol then you know your argument is weightless.
Obsidian are fucking bottom tier trash, they have some semi good writers but when it comes to making a game they couldn't do one to fucking save themselves. Alpha Protocol was the most inconsistent piece of shit i've ever seen, New Vegas was literally unplayable and PoE was just garbage
>>321408839
The dev hell wasn't anything on Obsidian's side, it was because Matt and Trey are rewrite-crazy perfectionists.
Obsidian has stepped up theur game considerablly since they started doing smaller games. I think a big problem with their early games was they wpuld get fucked over by their publishers constantly
>>321404112
>hipster
>meme
This type of unironic funposting have ruined whatever definitions these words could have forever.
Don't forget to call me a cuck on your way out!
>>321403156
DELETE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>321410169
>it's literally never Obsidians fault
>>321403156
THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! PLAYSTATION IS FOR THE PLAYERS!!!!
>>321406114
All those games are shit, but no surprise you like incomplete turds like alpha protocol or kotor II
>>321409698
>It's no wonder they're jumping on pretty much any project they can get these days.
The thing is that I doubt there are many (if any) big publishers out there willing to give them work these days. How long can they continue feeding 200 devs while doing small projects?
It's just a matter of time before they close doors or downsize massively.
>>321410252
They've had few legit situations where publisher fucked up.
It wasn't the case with Dungeon Siege 3 for instance, which was just garbage.
>>321409254
>SEGA wanted more control over everything else and the result is a fucking mess.
That's because Obsidian mismanaged the hell out of the project for years. Obsidian really does have no one to blame but itself for this one.
>>321403750
No it's not, and you know it.
>>321409621
>This whole post
>>321410326
They were a medium-size developer until recently when they apparently revived a former XBone launch game project. Except it's no longer exclusive.
>>321403156
Meme developer, lauded by a vocal minority.
>>321410213
>>321410290
Fuck off already.
>>321403156
They make games with legitimately the best stories. They just don't like to make good gameplay.
Give them an existing game, give them the engine, and tell them to make a sequel. As long as you don't cut their development time in half like a massive jew, expect 8.5/10 MINIMUM
>>321407854
>>321404589
I just picked up Alpha Protocol for $2, what am I getting myself into?
What build do I need to get through the game?
>>321409621
Holy shit cunt 9/10 you got a rise out of me, well played
>>321410252
But i think South Park the stick of Truth and Pillars of Eternity show that when they are free to do their own thing they can put out some really good stuff
>>321403156
AP has shit gameplay but the conversations and their consequence are some of the best
>>321404024
Kingdom Hearts has better gameplay than any WRPG.
>>321403156
>He thinks Alpha Protocol was bad.
>>321410562
stealth and unarmed
>>321410562
You're getting into a game that requires couple of playthroughs to really see just how choice and consequence focused it is. Otherwise it's a mediocre TPS.
>>321409621
I don't care if this is bait or not, it's completely correct.
Obsidian is everything Telltale wishes it could be
>>321410562
Pistols and Stealth, play as the Rookie background and use it as often as possible when it shows up.
The controls are a trainwreck and the intro missions are very dull so do yourself a favor and at least play through Saudi Arabia (3 missions?) before you decide to drop it or not.
>savagely beating the shit out of that russian like a psychopath
>oh did i spill your wodka?
Fact: bioware made more good games than obsidian.
>>321410881
>>321410562
Pistols or unarmed and stealth. SMGs are crap, ARs are actually shitty SRs, and Shotguns can be okay, at best. Wait until you finish the Middle East before judging the game.
The Rookie background has extra dialogue at the start, though the other backgrounds do have a minor effect throughout the game; one character, for example, will say you went to MIT and graduated top of your class if you go in as an item user.
>>321410963
>>321409846
>the collossal fuck up that is Alpha Protocol?
If a great game like AP counts as colossal fuck up then hell, Obsidians other games must rock.
>>321409621
This is just pedantic semantics. Call morrowind whatever you like, it's fucking fun and enthralling.
Call it a chicken dinner for all I fucking care.
Alpha Protocol is the only game I've ever played by Obsidian that didn't suck ass.
>>321411368
Alpha Protocol is the only game I've played by Obsidian that sucked total ass.
>>321411250
Completely random question about morrowind. Can I break side quests by exploring random areas first?
I am playing it right now, and I think I ruined a quest by killing everything in the tomb before picking it up.
>>321410562
All builds get you through the game, stealth and pistols are extremely powerful though.
Ironically enough Alpha Proctolog is the pinnacle of Obisidan, all games they have made since have been horrible.
>>321411425
Yeah it's possible to kill essential quest NPCs and fuck up your quests. Check the wiki if you're really worried, but there's more than enough quests for you to do in one run through.
Unlike Fallout 4, not every NPC is tagged for immortality.
With all the games flaws, Alpha Protocols dialogue wheel shows how great a dialogue wheel system can work.
Now look at F4's "dialogues".
Jack Bauer route > Jason Bourne route > James Bond route
Debate me nerds
>>321410562
You need multiple playthroughs to get all romances and to understand every aspect of the story.
If you only play through the game once you will probably miss most of the connections between the characters.
>>321411873
>not picking the idiot route
>>321410562
Max points into unarmed and endurance. Even on the hardest difficulty the game is a cakewalk.
>>321412097
You can get all the romances on a single go if you know how to manipulate them, there's a perk for it. There's also a perk for avoiding all the romances.
>>321412331
>if you know how to manipulate them
But you don't know that if you don't know the game. And i wouldn't suggest to play a game with lots of choices with a step by step walkthrough at hand.
>>321412440
The women are pretty generic and easy to read. The only kind of tricky one is Scarlett. Everyone else is way too easy to romance.
>>321412440
If you don't have trouble reading peoples' emotions, it's not difficult figuring out which responses they'll like.
>>321412670
>>321412691
>2015
>people on /v/ are suddenly experts in women and reading people
What has this place become..
>>321412896
Well they're video game characters and it's not like the interactions with them are as complicated as a VN.
>>321412896
>by the book goody two shoes
>naive young woman involved in things way over her head
>tough Russian bitch
If you have trouble reading into and pleasing these three cliches, you've got problems.
>>321413090
She is german though
>>321413198
With a Prussian accent.
>>321413198
Looks like I need to brush up on her dossier.
