Why do so many people want more DK characters in Smash?
>>321240180
None of them are generic anime swordsmen.
>>321240180
Because it's one of Nintendo's most loved franchises, and there's plenty of room for more monkeys in Smash.
Because Tropical Freeze was a much, much better game then Awakening and also probably if
Because DK is the 5th biggest Nintendo franchise?
I'd rather have Chrom.
>>321240502
>opinions
Because Donkey Kong is one cool ass nigga.
>>321240615
Faggot
>>321240771
>facts
it'd be cool to have the evil Metroid brain thing as a playable villain
or how about getting more Sonic characters? Dr. Eggman and shit.
>Donkey Kong has 2 characters
>Metroid has 2 characters (1 lore wise)
>F Zero STILL has only 1 character
>Fire Emblem has SIX characters
It's fucking ridiculous
>>321240180
>No Lanky
>No Chunky
>No Tiny
They would be perfect. Their move sets are practically made because of how DK64 plays.
>>321240771
That's a literal fact, anon.
I'm sorry the simple and generic waifu-simulator gave your brain damage.
>>321240954
>F Zero STILL has only 1 character
In all fairness, it's a dead series that's only had two games since Melee and doesn't have a cast that lends themselves well to a fighting game.
>>321240954
>>321240954
F-Zero's representation is fine as is.
I love the games, but they don't need any more than the Captain himself. He also holds a pretty solid position and doesn't have to worry about being kicked out in favor of a 7th or 12th Fire Emblem character, or being announced as paid DLC a month after the game launches.
>>321240954
>Star Fox has a game coming out soon, but it only has 2 reps due to losing Wolf for some stupid reason
>>321240180
I'd take Cranky over Diddy
>>321241157
Not my original idea but
>give Ganondorf an original, Zelda inspired moveset
>throw his old moveset on Black Shadow
Everybody wins
It's a great series.
Japanese Nintendo seems to have something against it though, probably because westerners took their franchise and made it something good.
>>321241370
God this is so true
>>321241380
Cranky could have a cool as fuck moveset if he had stuff inspired by the original DK arcade game.
>>321241469
>Japanese Nintendo seems to have something against it though
The SNES trilogy sold insanely well there and japan got DKCR for their Wii U VC service instead of Punch-Out like North America
>>321240180
Because we could of had Dixie, whose return was one of the major selling points of DK's latest game.
Instead, we get our Xtenth Anime swordsman that turns into a Gen V era Pokemon. It's basically peak Smash 4
>>321240412
>>321240502
>>321240601
>>321240954
How much creativity can you get with a fat crocodile, a dyke with a ponytail, and a fossilized primate with a cane?
>>321241410
I like that, could even throw a Ganondorf skin as an alt costume just to satisfy old dorf players
>>321241693
A lot more than a guy with a fucking sword.
>>321241469
This
Iwata, Miyamoto, and Sakurai will NEVER not be assblasted that Rare made better games than they ever could so they're trying their hardest to make people forget about them.
Hopefully Iwata 2 will force Sakurai to make Banjo or Rash Smash 5's Mega Man since he knows that the west makes up like 70% of Nintendo's market.
>>321241782
Corrin can transform into a dragon and his sword is also a chainsaw
>>321241894
>>321241693
At least you can tell the difference between two Donkey Kong characters
>>321241894
Corrin is a walking ad for a game that unironically as face touching and self insert marriage as major features
>>321240796
Only for Chrom.
People actually know who Dixie and Cranky are. Barely anyone knows even one fucking Fire Emblem character and there are a hundred of them.
>>321241860
They weren't that salty considering they gave Rare the tree that still grows outside their HQ, really Iwata and Sakurai have no reaon to be pissed since Rare never touched any of Hal's work.
>>321240180
Cranky and K. Rool should get in. Dixie would just be a lame Diddy semiclone and would add nothing to the game.
>>321241469
Jungle Beat is the best Donkey Kong game next to DK94. And majority of Rare's games were and still are shit.
When they were good they were good, but most weren't.
>>321240954
Personally I barely consider Lucina and Roy characters and Metroid is best represented by just Samus. I would've loved Cranky or Dixie but I think Corrin's playstyle looks incredibly fun so I'm not disappointed.
>>321242154
but that's what Roy was
>>321242183
Namefag opinions, everyone.
>>321240180
Fun.
>>321242326
It's not opinion, it's fact. Unless you want to tell me that Taboo on the NES is a good game. Infact, outside of three or so games, their entire NES catalog is shit.
>>321241894
>Corrin can transform into a dragon and his sword is also a chainsaw
And he has pointy ears and everyone loves him! Truly the pinnacle of Japanese character design.
>You will never Banana Slamma dudes alongside Kruusha.
>>321242423
>It's not opinion, it's fact.
This makes your opinion look less valid and more stupid you know. Saying your opinions are fact doesn't substitute actual arguments as to why they're your opinion.
>>321240180
Why not?
Cranky Kong would be one of the best additions ever if they cashed in on it
>Bounce around on his cane like he's fucking Scrooge McDuck or Shovel Knight. Can be used as a spike
>A special move in which you can throw barrels, a la Donkey Kong arcade
>A special move where he pulls out a jar/hive and shoots bugs out of it, Donkey Kong 3 style
>Final Smash in which he puts everyone to sleep (with flowers on their heads) by telling an absurdly long story about how good gaming used to be, and how in his day he'd have been included right on the disc instead of being DLC
fucking character of the year
>>321240180
Poor wrinkly, you didnt make it too HD you would have been amazing, i wish we could get HD wrinkly kongs ghost.
>>321242712
Didn't Cranky also program a video game?
>>321242268
Eliwood should have been put in place instead of Roy clone or not, Marth was an easy choice obviously.
Generally Smash will put in the FE characters that have just been put into games which makes sense why we got roy and marth then later Ike. Robin has a different enough playstyle to be included but really Lucina should have never existed outside of a alt costume
Dixie was planned for Brawl.
She and Diddy would work like how they do in DKC 2
>>321240180
Because there's not enough black people in Smash.
>>321241894
if it's entirely about movesets and not at all about who deserves to be in, why not just make up characters?
>>321242667
Ok, then tell me why Taboo, Beetlejuice, their WWF games, and Wizards and Warriors are good games. Or all of their shitty edutainment.
>>321242870
She and Diddy would work like how they do in DKC 2
You mean everyone would use only Dixie and never touch Diddy because her helicopter hairspin was too good not to use
>>321242712
>up special is a barrel cannon that goes back and forth at about a 90 degree angle facing upwards, you have to time it correctly to launch in the direction you want
>>321240923
At this point anyone not from Fire Emblem is fine by me.
Goku, Master Chief, Nathan Drake, the Grinch, Iron Man, the talking M&Ms from M&M commercials. I'd take any of them over a new Fire Emblem character.
Fire Emblem is a good series, don't understand why its gets people so mad. The only genuine complaint is that there's no axe or lance users.
>>321240368
they are generic monkies with different hats tho
>>321243268
And fire emblem characters are generic people with different weapons.
>>321242237
> Metroid is best represented by just Samus.
I might be able to agree with this if Samus wasn't character mplete and utter shit and Sakurai didn't keep trying to force Zero Meme Samus down our throats. As it stands Metroid still needs a legitimate playable rep.
>>321243243
Over-representation.
>>321240923
>Dr. Eggman
I'd take him over Bowser Jr. if Jr. never got into Smash.Then again, I wouldn't mind him fighting outside a mech maybe.
>>321242268
Besides veterans Sakurai's pretty much done with semiclones tho
Lucina and Dark Pit don't count since they were originally alts.
>>321243268
The only monkey is Diddy.
>>321243320
>different weapons.
lol NO
>>321240615
He'll get his chance another day.
>>321243450
doesn't exist
K Rool could make a very fun and exciting fighter and has so much potential for a moveset. Seriously, everyone who says he wouldn't have any moves clearly hasn't played the DKC games. I challenge anyone who thinks he can't be a fighter to do research and post what his specials and final smash could be. It will be one of the easiest tasks to do.
>>321243243
>is a good series
Was. That's why it pisses people off. Hakurai's including characters based on the Japanese reception, and since it sky rocketed since the waifu shit, he knew they would love Corrin and Bayonetta. He's stated he doesn't give a fuck about the history of Nintendo, the first thing that comes to his mind is what's hot right now so Japan is most to blame if anything.
And no seriously, it is completely unacceptable for them to bring back Roy as DLC AND add a NEW FE REP through it as well. Complete overkill, as if an uneeded clone wasn't already enough
>>321242183
Jungle Beat was gimmicky shit
>>321243585
Much like your argument
>>321243320
>different weapons
lmao no they don't even have that going for them.
>>321243635
>was
fates conquest is the best fire emblem game in a long time
It a stupid vocal majority. Nobody give and shit about DK anymore and the series is nothing special at all. At least FE is still relevant in Japan unlike Donkey Kong who hasn't been for a decade. In fact it makes me even happier to see Bayonetta announce because I get to see them cry about their oversized crocodile not win the ballot.
>>321242712
Agreed, cranky kong would be cool as shit, also, they could make a counter that makes himput on glasses
>>321243814
>argument
Just pointing out facts
>>321243861
>says me, super big fan of NEW fire emblem and wiafus
>>321243450
>can't remove Marth because people will bitch
>can't remove Ike because people will bitch
>put in Lucina because lol why not she's a clone
>put in Robin to represent Awakening
>put in Roy because people bitched
>put in Corrin to represent Fates
I don't see a problem. Fire Emblem is growing very fast and its pretty much one of Nintendo's bigger series now, even in the west.
>>321240180
I don't care whether DK "deserves" more chararacter
I just think DK has tons of characters that would be cool as shit
Like Cranky Kong, a cane wielding elder scientist
Lanky Kong, pretty much a hill billy Monkey D Luffy who is monkey trouble as fuck
Dixie Kong, a headbanging bubblegum rockstar with sindel hair
K Rool, an insane crocodile overlord with multiple personas
Funky Kong, an arsenic surfer dude who is early 90s as fuck
DK has tons of good shit yet we stay getting another anime swordsman, so is no wonder people get mad
>>321243243
I actually thought Azura would've been neat as a recent lance user with some dancer-like skills they could've implemented in some way but I like how they handled Corrin more really. I love the look of his pokes and impaling side B and all his mobility options.
>>321243414
I can agree with that but I'd really just like Samus to be good once again over having more Metroid characters. It's sad that she's been one of the worst characters in the series in every game but Melee.
>>321243924
played every single fire emblem, and imported conquest. u mad, cuck?
>>321244009
Popularity =/= good games.
>>321244009
>can't remove Ike because people will bitch
If he can remove Wolf, Snake, and the two Pokemon, the bitching that'd stem from Ike missing wouldn't add much
>>321243496
Diddy is a chimpanzee
Just because he has a tail doesn't mean he isn't
>>321240771
I'm a big FEfag and he's right.
Awakening was mediocre as fuck and Fe If looks great but not near as a god tier in its genre, something that Tropical Freeze is
>>321240180
The people who want some shit like dixie and cranky are mentally retarded and want to waste smash slots with more monkeys just so they can have a shit neo nintendo game nobody remembers from last year acknowledged.
The millions of K rool fans, however, have every right to complain about their mistreatment
>>321244009
Awakening was the first game to surpass 1 million in the series's 25 year existence
>>321243884
>I get to see them cry about their oversized crocodile not win the ballot.
>People voted for K. Rool
>Not voting forSolid Snake
IT WAS OURS, DAMNIT. GIVE IT BACK
>>321243450
Not much this
FE just has tons of character who like, just there
Lacking significance and lasting appeal, can't really call them all-stars
The only one I feel who isn't is Marth, honestly
>>321244226
Neither Dixie nor Cranky are monkeys, and both have existed since 1995. 1994 for Cranky.
>>321240180
It's a good franchise and Dixie/Cranky/K Rool are well liked characters amongst the fans. K Rool would be another villain and heavyweight with an interesting moveset, Cranky would technically be representing one of the most iconic characters of all time, and Dixie... well, she'd probably be a semi-clone, but she's well liked enough such as Lucas and Wolf where people would still like having her on the roster
>>321244309
I voted for him since he was my main in Brawl and main in Project M even though I knew he had no chance after Konami went full retard.
>>321244074
That's your opinion.
>>321240180
Just look at them, they're incredibly charming little characters. Plus despite all being apes, they have unique silhouettes and personalities.
>>321244192
But chimpanzees DON'T have a tail. It's one of the reason why apes and monkeys are classified separately.
>>321244009
Zelda should get Midna to represent TP, Skull Kid to represent MM, Tetra to represent WW, Ghirahim to represent SS, right? I mean it's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.
Piss off. Smash should be famous characters and legitimate franchise representatives, not this "what's hot right now" bullshit. The time spent crapping more Fire Emblem shit onto the game should have been used to actually improve overall Nintendo representation instead of fellating one series with characters no one gives a shit about.
>>321240180
Because DK is one of Nintendo's oldest franchises, and it's horribly represented in Smash.
>Been in Smash since Day 1
>Always gets the same fucking Jungle Hijinx remix for its stage 100 times
>Only two reps, no Dixie, Cranky, K Rool, Kremling, etc
>Jungle stages, even thought they only take up maybe 5-10% of a traditional DKC game
Sakurai just hates DK.
>>321244904
It's a videogame, is not real anyway
But according to the devs, he's a chimp
Cranky Kong is a great option. I don't really care for K Rool (not a fan of heavy characters) and I'd be indifferent towards Dixie. But you can't deny the greatness of Cranky, though. See >>321242712
>>321244702
>anime smug face
>dismissing a fact as my opinion
Fire Emblem fans, everybody. I bet you'd defend how great Assassin's Creed is too, you fuckwad.
>>321244916Skull Kid should be in, though. I have been barking up this tree since 2001 and refuse to stop.
>>321245102
>my opinion is fact
Next time on Smash Bros...
>>321245001
>most iconic stage from dkc is a jungle
>most iconic stage from dk64 is a jungle
>the dk stage in brawl isn't a jungle
>most iconic stage in dkcr is a jungle
wooooooooooow it's like they just pick what's popular and recognisable or something!
>>321245102
>>321244074
Isn't one of the main points DKfags point out is that the series sold a lot and is popular?
>>321245218
Inkling is 100% going to be in Smash 5.
>>321245316
I'm not a DKfag I just fucking hate Fire Emblem.
>>321245227
Popular to people barely familiar with the series maybe, but as a fanservice game the levels should probably cater to fans of the individual series.
>>321245001
I doubt Sakurai's even played any of the DKC games or even watched them being played for more than about 10 minutes. Same thing for Wario. It's like they're put in begrudgingly, only doing it because they think people would complain otherwise. He just goes with whatever they feel like, while his own series and third parties and stuff are lavished with care and references.
>>321240180
there is a need for more villains other than bowser and kid recolor
and ganandorf.
the lack of villains takes some of the fun out of smash.
>>321245437
oh so you're the worst kind of person on this board? ok
>>321245528
Are you implying Fire Emblemfags aren't the fucking worst? Because they are. Your people are a kind of super retard that the world would be far better off without.
>>321245059
Fuck off man
>b-b-but it's a game anon, i-it's not real anyway!
He's a goddamn monkey.
>>321241860
>Miyamoto
>assblasted
>when he helped work on DKC and DKCR
Let me guess, you still believe that false quote
>>321245227
>most iconic stage in DKC2 is Bramble Blast, aka Stickerbush Symphony
>most iconic stage in DKC3 is the Canadian inspired lake overworld
>most iconic stage in DK64 is the giant fucking Kremling fortress you see every time you start the game up
>most iconic stage in DKCR is the silhouetted shadows on the beach level everyone keeps posting
>most iconic stage in DKCTF is the African stage with puppets
woooooooooooooooow it's like you're really retarded huh?
>>321245625
the people who constantly need to tell people how much they hate X are the worst kind of people.
>>321245482
Theyre all bad guys in smash universe
>>321240180
It's almost like DK is a good series or something.
>>321241410
Thats a shit idea, Do you know how much effort that would require?
Try again homie
>>321245846
>DKC2 not the pirateship.
>DKC3 not the pier/boardwalk or hollow tree levels.
>>321241693
Nigga they put in ROB in Brawl and the only move that comes from anything is his Gyro.
Everything else is some generic shit. I mean, fuck, they could've put is something cool like his laser at least being blue and making the command sound from Gyromite, but no. Some spin, a laser, and rocket feet. No cool customs either. I would've loved being able to charge up stack up and then toppling over the entire thing on top of someone. Fuck.
>>321246209
>nair
>bair
>upsmash
>not cool
desu senpai...
>>321241410
>throw his old moveset on Black Shadow
No
Theres already Captain Falcon in the first place
>>321245846
>most iconic stage in DKC2 is Bramble Blast, aka Stickerbush Symphony
>most iconic stage in DKC3 is the Canadian inspired lake overworld
>most iconic stage in DKCTF is the African stage with puppets
Notice how none of these games have stages based on them in smash bros
>most iconic stage in DKCR is the silhouetted shadows on the beach level everyone keeps posting
This level takes place in a jungle
For you I guess, but remember sakurai makes smash brothers keeping in mind that most people wouldn't have played
>>321246298
Those aren't customs
Also, they're the same thing 3 times. I just wish he had some cool shit from his games instead of just being some fucking robot. He's ROB goddammit, do something unique.
>>321241410
F-Zero really doesn't need more characters. All I want for Ganondorf is for some of his customs to be his defaults. Warlock Blade, Dark Fists, and Wizard's Dropkick are enough to make him great. Especially Wizard's Dropkick, he desperately needs that move.
>>321245227
The DK stage in Brawl is a fucking reference to his Arcade days because that and jungles is apparently the only thing Sakurai gives a shit about.
And their version of Jungle Japes didn't look a fucking thing like DK64.
>>321246389
>sakurai makes smash brothers keeping in mind that most people wouldn't have played
Then that's where I disagree with him.
Why would you make something that caters to people who don't care about that thing.
>tfw still no Chrom
>>321246389
>Notice how none of these games have stages based on them in smash bros
Almost like its the point of this entire discussion
>This level takes place in a jungle
Uh...
Sakurai goes for more series staples rather than iconics most of the time. The series is about representation, and the constant jungle stages are a poor representation of what an actual Donkey Kong Game is like.
>>321245218
>Ridley and Isaac will never EVER get in
At least K. Rool has a shot if Retro brings him back in their next DKC.
>>321247146
>Mario stages are always 1-1 and nobody bitches
>but it's an issue when DK stages are 1-1
But really, DK and Diddy is representation enough, any new Kong added after DKC2 is worthless and nobody worth a goddamn gives a shit about Lanky Kong or Kiddy Kong.
That said, a stage based off of the factory in DKCR would be great.
>>321246389
>Notice how none of these games have stages based on them in smash bros
Sakurai's always skirted around anything but vague references. DK always got a generic jungle stage until 4 where he got a Generic Jungle stage made from art assets that were probably given by Retro out of pity.
Funny thing is if TF got a reference it would be Juicy Jungle, because Sakurai hates you.
>Fire Emblem series sales across 3 decades: 8 million
>Characters: Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, Male Robin, Female Robin, Male Corrin, Female Corrin
>DK series sales: 66 MILLION OVER 2 DECADES
>Characters: DK, Diddy
>>321243243
because smashfags don't actually play nintendo games. they played mario and zelda and pokemon when they were kids and refuse to touch anything else. just look at the endless fannyflustering over ryu, cloud and bayonetta.
>>321247146
>Almost like its the point of this entire discussion
All of DK's stages in smash bros save the first one are based off of the most recent games he's been in at the time of the game's development. This isn't exclusive to DK, Mario got a sunshine stage in brawl and a galaxy stage in sm4sh, and they generally don't make new stages based on old games unless it's a dead IP like earthbound or, in Kirby's case, Sakurai just wants to jerk himself off. Maybe Tropical Freeze should have gotten a stage in smash 4, but there probably wasn't enough time to make something decent by release.
>>321246876
>Why would you make something that caters to people who don't care about that thing.
Part of the focus of smash bros is getting people acquainted with games and franchises they might have had no interest in otherwise a la Fire Emblem, unless it's something fuckhuge like Mario or Pokemon I guess Sakurai feels obligated to generalise and make broad strokes when depicting a given franchise.
>>321247934
Juicy Jungle was great though.
>>321240180
Damn son how can you look at Dixie here and deny her some action in smash. She's fucking kawaii.
>>321248212
Yeah I'd kill for a Fruity Factory stage.
>>321240180
Just principal I guess. It is a huge series for nintendo, and has less characters than fucking Kid Icarus.
I personally don't think any of the leftover characters lend themselves to a fun, creative, or fitting moveset, but whatever, they're already scraping the bottom of the barrel for new characters anyway
>>321247958
It's because DK is part of the Mario Universe
>>321240180
Dixie would be cool but It'd be more interesting to have fucking Cranky Kong kick ass, I mean, that nigga's literally the original DK from 1982, he deserves to be there more than any other non-main character from any other IP except for Mario I guess.
