Is there a multiplayer game that uses the concept of prisoner's dilemma? What would you guys recommend?
Not MP, but i think it's an important element in VLR
Would this concept be similar to fighting games, where the player needs to decide if it would be benificial to deal damage by simply trading hits?
>>321234906
There's s shitty Golden Balls game on the Wii.
So confess, right? The EV of confessing is 2.5 years. The EV of remaining silent is 10.5 years.
>>321235280
It's not a puzzle to be solved
>>321235280
Snitches get stitches. In theory you're right, in practice there are other variables.
any co-op game with limited resources
>>321235389
He didn't solve it, he just used probability to predict what outcome would most likely be favorable.
>>321235389
The image kind of begs the question "if you were in that scenario, what would you do?"
>>321235462
Butthurt prisoners get bullet holes, it evens out.
>>321235280
As long as there's a 50/50 chance the other prisoner remains silent or confesses yeah.
>>321235613
>Butthurt prisoners get bullet holes, it evens out.
I know this is obvious, but you've never been to prison, have you?
>>321235613
>Butthurt prisoners
DON'T DROP THE SOAP
>>321235280
What's weird about it is that there is no communication between both wanting to betray the other. What seems like the get out of jail free option to them could get them both a longer sentence because they both confessed.
>>321234906
That image is kind of a shitty example. Confessing would be the objectively best choice if those were the length of the sentences.
>>321235103
Kind of, but not exactly. There are a ton of situations where PD rules can take effect and the variances depend on the balance between reward and punishment.
In your example, assuming both attacks would deal the same damage, it largely depends on your personal strategy. Assuming trades continuously occur, the battle will eventually come down to a "next-hit-kills" situation or a kill via chip damage. On the hand, infinite trades will always result in Double KO, so it's not an absolute strategy.
The main problem here is that there is no fourth condition. In classic PD, there are four conditions: player 1 wins, and player 2 loses, or vice versa. Or, both lose harshly or lightly, which counts as a small victory. There are no "small victories" in fighting games, or most competitive games in general.
>>321235694
No because I snitched and got 0 years, are you following the conversation?
>if you ignore literally everything and just focus on one thing than X makes an obvious answer
>therefore we should apply this in society despite taking out 99.99999% of what makes society to get to our answer
Everything wrong with psychology, sociology and economics in a nutshell.
>>321235613
That's not what "begging the question" means.
>>321235925
Shut up, reddit.
>>321235920
excuse me, are you an economics professor?
>>321235145
It's on DS as well. Least they used that one stock image of him and didn't make a horrid abomination like that Keith Chegwin shovelware game.
I actually didn't mind the gameshow
>>321234906
I think there was a puzzle in Baldurs gate 2 that had that, except with siblings instead of prisoners
>>321234906
PD is good as a baseline for measuring how much you trust your accomplices
If you can guarantee your buddy won't snitch and you can guarantee they wouldnt on you, you can both make the informed choice not to rat. Remain silent should be 0 years and confess/not confess should be 1 year btw
in that image somehow cooperating fully gets less time than no charges sticking, which is dumb. like no deal is ever getting off scot free, itd be at least probation or witness protection.
this is why criminal organizations are often based around families. if you and your brother get caught, you can be sure he won't rat on his own blood and knows you wont either, so you both beat the charges and walk away scot-free
>>321235783
>What seems like the get out of jail free option to them could get them both a longer sentence because they both confessed.
Which is why it's the prisoner's dilemma, as opposed to the prisoner's solution. If both parties could communicate, the variables could change drastically, but this also overcomplicates the game. You then have to consider the possibility of lying or going back on your word, since the reward for betrayl is significantly higher than cooperation.
For the sake of simplicity, both prisoners are simply in solitary confinement.
>>321236194
Yeah and they did the same fucking thing in KoTOR.
VLR is completely based on prisoners dilemma.
>>321234906
Sadist much?
Why don't you sod off and go wank to guro porn.
>>321236259
You're looking for a "good ending" which isn't the point of PD.
PD is based entirely on a very simple tier list:
T > R > P > S
T stands for temptation, which is to say that confessing offers the greatest reward, by far.
R stands for reward, which offers a middle ground that is actually mutually beneficial to the "team" as a whole. It's not as good as Temptation for the individual but it equally helps both of them out.
P stands for Punishment, which is worse than both Temptation and Reward. In this scenario, both players are equally punished. Normally, this would be a stupid decision to make were it not for the worst possible outcome.
S stands for Sucker, which places the ultimate burden upon a single individual. It needs to be there because, otherwise, remaining silent would be the best option. With the risk of becoming a Sucker, the balance shifts drastically.
The real fucked up part comes from this string of thought:
If the other guy stays silent, then I'll confess and get away scout free! But if the other guy confesses, then I'd better confess too to help lower my punishment. The other guy will have the same logic and, as such, the outcome will always be P, despite being a lower tier outcome. That's the dilemma.
>>321236045
>using proper English is "reddit"
Christ, no wonder this place is such a shithole.
>>321236582
I'm simply interested in co-op / versus hybrid games. Four Swords and Mario 3d World are interesting examples of this. In both games, players need to cooperate effectively in order to complete the stage, but upon completion each player is given a score based on individual merit. Thus, while everyone needs to cooperate, the winning players will need to hamper their partners in order to help boost themselves. Furthermore, the best players will do so subtly, making sure that their score does not go so far ahead of the others that they are ganged up upon or no longer trusted.
Playing Civilization free-for-all against multiple players is also a good example of this. It's most beneficial to cooperate against a common foe but, in the end, there can be only one winner. That kind of shit is exciting to me.
I ain't a fucking snitch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium
>>321235920
Basically, but this also applies to real world problems, such as global warming. If every country in the world reduced their CO2 emissions, then the world in general would benefit. Yet, no one wants to take the plunge and hurt themselves for the greater good.
The Cold War was another stellar example. If both America and USSR disarmed, then they would both benefit greatly from reduced cost in military expenses. On the other hand, if America disarmed and USSR continued to arm, then the balance of power would shift drastically, and vice versa. Thus, both superpowers continue to arm infinitely, despite the fact that neither will never become significantly stronger than the other to launch an attack and, further, despite the increased costs in military spending. It's a poor choice, but far greater than the worst outcome.
I confess, i'm not a fucking nigger.
>>321238212
>>321238997
The funny thing is that the "rational" option would be to always confess.
>>321238047
>Playing Civilization free-for-all against multiple players is also a good example of this. It's most beneficial to cooperate against a common foe but, in the end, there can be only one winner. That kind of shit is exciting to me.
The problem is getting 4+ people to commit a solid day or two t actually finish a game
>>321235857
No, you snitched and got 5 years because your friends are pussies too
Confess is better. Max 5 years.
Why would you stay quiet for the chance at no time? That's too big a gamble when you could more likely end up with 20 years.
Anyone who pics quiet is a retard.
>>321238838
Global warming is a bogeyman, the real issues are clean air, clean water, and overfishing.
Funnily enough, all of those problems are mostly centred around china who already exploit and fuck over the rest of the world on trade.
Obama is an idiot.
>>321235613
Honestly? I'd squeal. Worst case scenario, I'd get 5 years. It's not worth running the risk of getting 20 years, that would completely ruin your life.
>>321240239
How are you gonna stop china anyways?
The west relies too much on them because of their cheap production and its not like you can sue them or whatever.
China will never give a fuck about morals, human rights, nature and other hippie garbage and thats their biggest advantage on the market.
>>321240102
In the context of the logic puzzle yeah.
But when you bring morality and street ethics into play confession is a potential death sentence at worst and a black mark against your honor as a criminal at best.
>>321240782
They've broken every single free trade deal they've signed and theres a fuckload of evidence that the Yuan is as much as 40% undervalued because china fucks with imports so much, so to start off you declare them a currency manipulator and call their bluff, that brings them to the negotiating table.
You're saying america relies too much on chinese products but you're forgetting that china only has western europe to sell to if they get cut off, all the western european leaders are obsessed with environmentalism right now so it would be 100% possible to cut a new deal with china that forces them to respect imports and not pump so much shit into their air.
Of course obama won't do this because he's a huge pussy.
>>321241328
This and the fact that India is RIGHT there waiting to take China's spot. They're actively trying, along with 6 other countries that make your clothes if you read the tags.
>>321241542
India is too fragmented to do anything right now, the majority of their admittedly huge population live in villages dotted all over the country and shit on the streets.
China on the other hand is a juggernaut that is abusing the fuck out of every other countries limp wristed excuses for leadership.
>>321241809
Yes but China's people are getting to be too expensive, and are trying to get better regulations. If the downturn doesn't put a big damper on their desire for better wages, they're gonna get dropped.
ITT:
Anon just took an economics class.
>>321242179
I laughed at the one teacher that gave this concept to all his students on their final, and only one class actually didn't fuck it up. I wonder what he thought when the one class actually go the EC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Uos2fzIJ0
>>321242123
Why do you think their government is putting in a mandatory ranking system every chinese citizen becomes a part of?
They know that their country has developed a middle class, and they realized that the easiest way to keep control is to literally make life a competition.
There will be no revolution in china.
>>321242447
All I had to do was look at the thumbnail. Fuck that video.
>>321242448
I don't think there will be a revolution or actual env. regulations. I do think they are going to fuck it up and get too expensive though. Or get undercut. Question is, by who?
>>321242621
One of the reasons they can go so cheap aside from the obvious is that they put HUGE tariffs on imported goods and subsidize the fuck out of their own manufacturing.
Foreign companies are not allowed to do business in china without revealing their intellectual property (e.g. how their computer chips work) to local chinese companies.
Very few other countries have the manufacturing infrastructure to compete with china on a mass scale, the only country that could beat them 1:1 by renegotiating trade is america because of OPEC.
The other thing america has to do is fucking crush ISIS, because china doesn't give a fuck who it gets its oil from, just that its getting oil for the cheapest price possible.
>>321242447
I thought she was going to do that,
she has the look of a backstabbing bitch
>>321242447
That was painful to watch
In pretty sure there where some crime games that allowed you to betray your team to get more cash, that's similar? The problem though is the community is usually shit.
>>321242447
If her logic was that she didn't want to be stabbed in the back again, she obviously thought he was going to pick steal, meaning picking steal would result in no money for both.
She's just a fucking bitch
> confess
> partner gets 20
> I am free
> next day my other partners come and shoot me
>>321242447
This video only makes /v/ mad because she's a woman. She did the right thing and I would have in her place as well.
Prisoners Dilemma is a babby-tier thought exercise. Confess is rationally the best thing to pick because you stand to lose the least. The woman rationally made the best choice.
Like >>321236479 said, this game is literally based on the Prisoner's Dilemma, and you play it many times throughout the game.
>>321244259
the entire point of the prisoners dilemma is that what is best for 1 person might not be best for the group.
She made the rational choice for HERSELF, but she made the wrong choice for the group, and since humans are social animals that require cooperation to survive, she has failed as a human.
>>321244259
How is this rational? If the two people make the "rational" decision, they both get fuck all and throw away $100k. This isn't rational/irrational, it's being a piece of shit or not.
>>321242447
Step it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8
>>321244689
Because it's irrational to assume that someone will act "rationally" and pair up with you. Especially in a game show setting.
>>321244850
I would honestly feel better choosing split and they pick steal than if we both picked steal. Guess I'd be boring on a game show.
>>321244259
If it were me I would choose steal every time. If the other person happened to choose split I'd split it afterwards
>>321245235
That's because you're a beta cuck.
>>321242447
Holy shit what a fucking bitch
>>321245570
I bet you don't even know what the word cuck means you mean spouting filth.
>>321236259
>Remain silent should be 0 years and confess/not confess should be 1 year btw
That defeats the purpose, then remaining silent is the best option.
The whole point is that confessing is the most beneficial but at the expense of another.
>>321245713
>I'd feel better if my wife got fucked by a nigger than if neither of us had sex
Yes, you are a cuck.
>>321246072
So you don't know what it means. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>321241328
Get off 4chan, Donald.
yes it's known as dota 2
the mid Lane is literally the prisoners dilemma
You should defect and take mid rather than allow your subhuman Peruvian teammates take it.
>>321246146
Unless you're referring to the specific act of taking care of another man's child, then you're just being a stupid delusional cuck.
>>321245560
That's a really dumb mentally.
>>321236259
Snitching is the always the best option.
>>321246339
And you still don't know what it means. Keep spewing memes, maybe you'll get it right one of these days.
I don't see the reason why you would ever remain silent
5 years is shit but I'd take it over 20 and if it all works out we both only get 1 year which seems like a fair trade.
>>321245570
You're actually correct.
>>321246571
Well now that you're going against all the dictionary definitions I'm just going to assume you're a buttblasted beta cuck who's shitposting out of spite. Have fun with that loser.
>>321246792
Show me a dictionary definition that fits what you've been saying, otherwise you're just rattling off flavor of the month insults to make yourself look cool on a Korean Propaganda BBS.
>>321244814
Interesting story on this with interviews with both guys.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/whats-left-when-youre-right/
>>321246738
>I have now won this debate by being too pathetic to insult!
>>321246965
Or how about I don't humor your inability to type one word into google, and let you make a fool of yourself whenever you see anyone else use the word? The bait session ends here cuck, not bothering with you anymore.
>>321247167
I'm quite proud of being a cuck, thank you. Memespouters who don't even understand it and call it pathetic doesn't mean anything.
>>321247228
I already know what the word means. It's how I've been able to call you out on your improper use. I'm not the one on trial here. Now keep using your precious memes, you little scamp.
>>321247283
This, stupid unintelligent non-cucks I'm not surprised they're just memers smhtbhfam
>>321246975
I strongly dislike Radio Lab
>>321247448
Why's that? I don't listen to it much but I've never heard anything offensive.
>>321247439
>the picture of the author
THE NOSE KNOWS
>>321247439
>jealousy is a social construct
just like gender and race:^)
>>321247439
I mean I hate /pol/ as much as the next guy, but its hard to argue that they're wrong when people are seriously posting stuff like this.
>>321247598
The way they edit the show, mostly. Which is a silly reason, I know, but there you go.
The general tone and subject matter is often off putting for me as well
>>321248807
People who write things like that are just as retarded as /pol/.
VLR mentions it directly
>>321247439
>Anneli Rufus
Oh fucking hell, no wonder that was such a terrible read.
>won a society of professional journalists award for criticism
Of course she would get an award for complaining. Good thing she hasn't got one for any of her actual written work.
>>321249041
Oh, is that the show where they explain what people are saying and then cut in the person saying it at the same time? If so then I'm right there with you.
>>321249268
Yep, that's exactly it.
>>321249041
>People who write things like that are just as retarded as /pol/
They are pawns in a bigger game, they are unwittingly playing into the hands of the ruling caste.
It's literally the foundation of Virtue's Last Reward
>>321249424
Fucking hell, that's annoying.
>>321247439
>worriedlaughter.jpg
>>321234906
I've always hated this puzzle. It's fine as an exercise, but I'm always thinking in the back of my head "Bullshit if he confessed he'd still get 25-life." People just shouldn't open their fucking mouths.
>>321238997
I've heard stories of prisoners snitching promised with shorter sentences or other benefits.
They don't.Not hard to guess what happens next.
>>321245560
I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong at all, but it ruins the point of the game. This isn't about trying to cheat the system or something.
>>321234906
>Is there a multiplayer game that uses the concept of prisoner's dilemma?
RUST
>you and everybody else could trust one another and live in relative abundance
>or you can all be dicks to one another and fuck each other's progress
Chances are, most people will be dicks because it's just too risky to team up with random people, there's very little reward for being a good Samaritan, and it's way too easy to backstab someone for short term gain (by short term I mean, sooner or later, you're gonna get fucked as well and so is your progress).
>>321242447
Some people are so fucking selfish
>>321249541
>>321249203
>>321244280
>>321236479
Stop fucking mentioning VLR
This is literally where OP clearly got the idea for the fucking thread, only difference being him explicitly mentioning "multiplayer."
Of course >>321235081 knew that and brought attention to VLR anyway, but he's the second freaking comment you freaking fricks come on guys
>>321244636
This.
Equally serving one year in prison adds up to a total of two years. This is far greater than having to spend ten or twenty years each.
It actually works better in other scenarios, like Virtue's Last Reward which keeps getting brought up. The group is awarded far more points for allying than the individual who betrays. Cooperation leads to greater benefits than personal gain.
>>321242447
People are seriously calling her a bitch for making the smart choice? Are you people fucking retarded?
>>321250181
shut the fuck up you faggot
>>321250602
Betrayal is bad no matter what.
>>321250668
Not if I get 100K out of it.
>>321250639
>Spot the VLR poster
A FAGGOT? LIL OL ME?
>>321250804
Betrayers go to hell. Enjoy your stay there.
>>321236141
>>321250905
Don't worry, I will.
Besides, I'd much rather them get nothing than them get everything. It's a better ending no matter what they choose.
>>321251317
What a spiteful person.
I would rather spend 5 years in jail than 20 years knowing my accomplice is free.
>>321251317
Well, at least you're a Socialist.
>>321251437
This guy gets it.
>>321251437
Why would you even have an accomplice you don't trust in first place?
>>321238997
>>321239301
Congrats you confess, now you have a target on your back for the rest of your life, and usually no matter what crime if you confess you still do time, so good luck getting shived/raped.
I wished they made a game based on The Genius
>>321234906
kane and lynch 1 multiplayer sort of did this, everyone expected a betrayal at the end
>>321238838
>CO2
>harmful
>"climate change" (whatever the fuck that means)
>anthropogenic
lol I thought this basic bitch shit wasn't allowed on 4chan
>>321242447
Split
>You get 50% of the money
or
>You go home with 0
Steal
>You go home with 100
or
>You go home with 0
No that hard
>>321253012
>being materialistic
>>321253012
Split
>Everyone get money
Steal
>You get money or you don't
>>321253394
No, anon.
>Split/Split
Each person gets half the prize money
>Split/Steal
Steal gets all the money, Split gets none
>Steal/Steal
No one gets any money.
In hard logic, Steal would be the best option.
>>321253394
Actually its the same for both split or steal, either you get money or you don't (Because the other person can fuck you up if he picks steal either way). But if you steal you can get more.
>>321235462
>Snitches get stitches
Only if they get put with the general population. The smart ones get into solitary immediately.
>>321238838
You're confusing the Prisoner's Dilemma with the Tragedy of the Commons.
>>321253661
Following hard logic would get no money 100% of the time.
>>321254395
No use arguing with logic fag. They always ignore that people are illogical EXCEPT when it fits their agenda.
I love the prisoner's dilemma
Its really simple, but interesting
>All these people stating how its obviously better to confess
No shit, and you'd better expect the other guy to think the same thing. Enjoy 5 years in prison.
>>321254585
But using that hard logic every time would literally get 0 money. The best thing you could hope for is an illogical teammate.
>>321252531
hello alabama
The Prisoner's Dilemma is a thought experiment, retards, not a commentary on plea bargains. There's no point in bringing street justice into the equation because the example is designed to describe any two persons who are competing for desirable outcomes.
It's also not designed to demonstrate which is the ideal choice for any given prisoner but, specifically, to demonstrate that in such a situation, neither player would be likely to choose the option resulting in the greatest benefit for both. It's a commentary on why people don't always cooperate, even when they both stand to gain.
>>321236141
There is never a single reason to not Steal. If you ever don't Steal you are a fucking moron.
>>321242447
I hate these kinds of problems.
The guy never stood a chance at any money
If the other person is deadset on stealing your options become
>Give the other person all the money and you get nothing
>Give the other person nothing and you get nothing
>>321254989
sounds like commie liberal bullshit to me senpai
>>321255115
Its basic economics
>>321254997
well considering you are replaying a gameshow in a video game again and again. if you want the fucking high score yes. nobody cares if you lose in a video game game show.
>>321255173
the only economy i believe in is a free market economy you goddamn socialist
>>321255241
Tell 'em Buck.
>>321255241
>wanting big business to nickle and dime you for even the most basic necessities for life
sasuga anon-kun
>>321255241
game theory is literally the study of a free-market economy
The prisoner's dilemma is literally a description of the free-market economy.
>>321244814
Master ruseman right there.
>>321234906
>>321235280
My local radio station did this but with money. If you chose to share, each person got $100. If you chose to steal and the other person said share, you got $200. If you both said steal you both get nothing. After listening to the results a few time, most people said share. It was interesting seeing a real world application of this.
>>321255717
What a cunt.
>>321255717
Pick 6
If for nothing else, just to watch the world burn
>>321255769
Research indicates people are more risk-averse, so they tend to "confess" when they're being offered a choice of gaining a small vs a large amount, but they tend to "remain silent" if they believe they already own or are entitled to the whole amount.
>>321255717
>Get 100% indefinitely because I'm an intellectual genius
>Vote for 6 points just to fuck over people who need points
>>321255717
I pick 6 because my exam would probably already have a perfect score. Then I'd tell those scrubs to git gud.
>>321255717
This could get you fired. Social experiments like that could lead to students doing stupid shit to other students to make sure they're the ones getting the 6 points.
>>321234906
Killing Floor did with heals.
You got a healing syringe. It has two rounds and recharges in about 30 seconds.
Players can sting themselves, spending both rounds, to heal once.
Or, players can heal someone else, giving one heal for just one round.
Assume each player is damaged.
If everyone heals each other, then everyone can heal at least twice as fast.
But the decision to heal someone else leaves your syringe recharging. If they use their syringe on themselves (on top of yours), they will be healed 3x faster.
But you would get nothing, and remain vulnerable until everything recharged.
There's a lot of tough cooperation decisions like this in Killing Floor.
Like, if no one can take the FP on alone, then everyone has to attack together.
But whoever shoots first is gonna get mauled, especially if his peers don't attack out of fear of becoming the new target.
>>321256270
So could teaching. If you're going to be in academia either do excellent research or present your enormous testicles to the administration and hope no one there has any bigger.
>>321240868
>Criminal
>Honor
Lel
>>321255717
Kek
I would pick the 6 points no matter what
Everyone gets nothing or I get 6, so no prob for me lol
>>321256460
>Like, if no one can take the FP on alone, then everyone has to attack together.
Or the Sharpshooter 2 shotted it, end of the story.
>>321255420
two words fuckhead
invisible hand
>>321256821
touche
Mixed still the best tho
>>321255717
>I pass and get an even better grade
>I pass and dumb slackers who needed the points don't get to pass
Literally no reason to pick 2.
>>321255717
2 points ain't shit. Chose 6, because if you lose 2 points who the fuck cares.
>>321256716
I said IF NO ONE CAN TAKE FP ALONE.
It's right in your quote.
It's funny when it happens in a pub though.
Your FP killer guy is dead already, and everyone is getting their shit pushed in and is low on health, and then the FP walks in...
Sometimes everyone will just stammer, none of them wanting to take the first shot, for like good 5 seconds.
>>321234906
There is that browser games that do this
that one game where you guide cursor and not touching the wall
/v/ does bring it up once in awhile
Forgot what the name was
>>321257048
I'm still not seeing it.
Against FP it's useless to stand around twiddling your thumb since he has built in auto enrage timer anyway.
>>321256907
Mixed markets are like mixed couples: degenerate.
>>321257148
It's not a prisoner's dilemma because one of the players has to sacrifice himself so the others can pass through. There is no cooperation.
>>321256821
Not really bourne out by practical evidence. Turns out in practice when you leave markets unregulated you just get monopolies because consumers are acting on more values than just maximizing their profit.
>>321257385
monopolies only exist due to government interference
read some mises you faggot
>>321234906
i believe that Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward does that.
in the very beginning you have to deal with that exactly same dilemma but with different consequences.
>>321256942
Do we know how much a point on the test is worth? What if the test turns out to be worth just ten points total? In that case, unless your aim is to be an asshole like most of the repliers, and assuming you believe you might need the couple points, it seems the result most likely to gain any amount of extra credit for everyone including yourself is best. Some people will get their six points and think they outwitted their classmates, but who cares what they think?
>>321257238
Well it's not the same as the prisoner dilemma, but you see in that specific situation, it is highly unlikey that whoever is FP's first pick will die.
It is obvious that everyone needs to give it all they got and someone has to go down for the team, but in a pub you often have players who don't give a shit about each other.
>>321251005
Thank. You for that
>>321257838
Highly likely*
>>321257749
Congratulation on being 100th person who brought that up.
I guess reading is too hard for people these days.
>>321254739
it guarantees that you wont spend 20 though
>>321257589
I haven't, and his wiki article is irritatingly vague. Elaborate, plos.
>>321242447
>if he picks steal, it'll just reaffirm her expectation that people will betray her
>if he picks split, she'll rationalize her decision, telling herself she had no choice if she didn't want to be betrayed again
So depressing. I can only hope something changes for her eventually, or has changed.
>>321257945
you welcome buddy.
i also believe that Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward did something very similar in in the very beginning where you have to deal with that exactly same dilemma but with different consequences.
>>321258092
mises invented praxeology which is the only objective study of human economies. using that model he deduced that money is only ever really worth its weight in gold and that keynes is a fucking idiot who projected normal curves on everything when in reality economies aren't a zero sum game
>>321257369
what's the name of the game?
>>321258585
cursors.io iirc
>>321258620
thanks, familia
>>321258480
>gold obsessionism
ew
>deductive study
eeeewwww
How can you possibly presume a non-empirical study of human behavior to be valid?
>>321251968
congrats you didn't confess, now you're in jail for 20 years because the other person confessed.
The moral of the story: don't get caught in the first place, or don't get in a situation that would get you into jail.
>>321246163
Epic meme bro
>>321258821
don't even start, keynes literally did not even study human behavior, he invented all that bullshit in his head you queer
Felt pretty shitty when i found out the 'game theory' youtube channel was all about contrived video game fan fiction and not autistic breakdowns of game theory in video game scenarios.
>>321258480
>he deduced that money is only ever really worth its weight in gold
Wait, what does he mean by this? That the Gold Standard is the only reasonable option?
>>321259262
yes, the quest to abandon it is a modern marxist notion supported by the fed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8
>>321259416
Well, and the Great Depression.
And the world economy.
>>321259569
>>321244814
Fucker, I didn't check before posting.
>>321259610
the great depression happened because of the fed strangling free banks out of the american market which caused erroneous money lending practices based on keynesian witchdoctering
>>321242447
I would have chosen steal every time too. If the other person chose split I would give him half afterward.
>>321259823
My impression was that Keynseyan Witchdoctoring didn't become prominent until the Depression was already in full swing.
>>321254585
To be fair, he's basically saying that if both players are thinking logically then no one wins. Logic isn't always the best approach.
>>321260273
I'm not sure if I should accuse you of fascism or mere nationalist isolationism.
>>321259416
I don't want to judge this guy's work without knowing any more than its synopsis, but I can't understand why he would want the Gold Standard. I've seen some of Rand Paul's arguments, so I know he's not alone in this thought, but in what possible way could the benefits of going back to the Gold Standard outweigh the well-established risks of the system?
>>321260273
>bluepilled
Go back to your containment board.
>>321260480
there are no risks of a gold standard system, gold has objective value when it's not being manipulated and distorted by big government
>>321261330
>gold has objective value when it's not belong manipulated by muh big government boogeyman
Gold has value because people give it value.
So, in the end, there's really no Prisoner's Dilemma: The Game out there.
No, Virtue's Last Reward doesn't count. For one it's single player and secondly it's more a story than a game since the experience is the same every time and there are only so many outcomes.
I just don't understand why it hasn't been properly implemented yet. This guy's kind of on the right track
>>321238047
but it's not really enough.
>>321261559
people give gold value because gold is valuable
read a book you statist moron
>>321249680
Well ideally you don't say anything until you've spoken to a lawyer. In the case where they have evidence, it's a race to confess because you've got the option of 0-5 years versus 1-20.
>>321241328
We should label the jews holocaust manipulators as well.
>>321261931
*was valuable
Gold's corrosion resistance really isn't all that neat anymore.
>>321261931
You're begging the question, which is why you're wrong. Gold is valuable because people give it value. Claiming the opposite is a fallacy based on assumption.
>>321256270
Not to mention doing it without IRB approval could land them in some serious hot water
>>321250602
It's easy to judge from afar and that video makes a moralfag out of most people that have any empathy because all they see if a person screwing over another despite him having the same opportunity to do it to her. It's a game show and people want cash, not exactly weird that morals go to the garbage when you have a chance to win big
I'm only in this thread for VLR
>>321263184
Same, but the golden balls stuff is interesting.
OP, Transformice is a half-decent example. A lot of levels make it hard to get the reward and live if everyone goes for the reward at the same time. Waiting can lead to lack of reward since some puzzles can't be reset or the level has a finite number of people allowed to grab the reward.
>>321262654
you're assuming that people grant things value rather than simply recognize intrinsic value
classic keynsian mistake senpai
>>321246480
Before you go calling things dumb, learn some proper grammar
>>321262757
It's obvious that our ideal behavior in abnormal situations is not going to always be how we really act; circumstances could lead me to decisions I would normally never consider at the drop of a hat. There are possibly past experiences to consider here, too: she seems to have been tricked in the past, leading her to assume she has to do whatever she can if she wants the money. Neither of these make her undeserving of people's anger, however. Even if we can't understand what it takes to make that decision, the decision itself is still a selfish one. And certainly, praising her for her betrayal is asinine; at best her choice deserves apathy.
>>321264159
Does gold have practical value? No. Is it rare? Yes. Does it look pretty? Yes.
If not practical value, what value does something really have?
>jail time for crimes against people
>jail time for victimless crimes
>jail time for not-crimes
>jail time for innocent people with bad defenders
America please stop. You're doing justice all wrong.
The question of Split or Steal isn't whether or not "I Win" or "I Lose", it's "They Win" or "They Lose".
if you split
Other Steals: he wins, you lose
Other Splits: he wins, you win
if you steal
Other Steals: he loses, you lose
Other splits: he loses, you win
Your odds are always 50/50 win or lose regardless of your choice. Your choice only grants the other person 100% chance to either win or to lose.
>>321266192
Well then obviously I'll pick the one that makes the other guy lose. How is this even a dilemma?
>>321267062
But your chances don't go up from making him lose, it only guarentees he loses. You can't help your own odds at all.
>>321242447
Was his fault for not noticing she was manipulating him. Cuck had it coming.
>>321242447
I wonder if anyone has ever been killed over this.
>>321250181
If you don't say what games to not mention then the most obvious entry level shit related to the subject is going to be spammed every time.
