In a franchise filled with ax wielders, archers, lancers, knights, thieves, ninjas, mages and wizards, brawlers, and half-human half-beast hybrids, why are the only playable Fire Emblem characters in Smash all swordsmen?
I've never played a FE game, but aren't these all supposed to be major/player characters in the series
Lords and shit right?
Because they're main characters and Lords like Hector and Ephraim are basically secondary
Because main character priority
>>321219845
>>321219956
Lucina is a thirdiary character at best
>>321219694
Robin is a Spellcaster that happens to use a one-handed sword, a Battle Mage if you will.
Corrin is one of those said half-beasts, he's got Dragon Blood, and uses the shapeshifting that provides as much as if not more than his flaming chainsaw sword.
main/ most popular characters.
I hope Sigurd is next.
>>321219845
Yes, all these characters are the MCs of their respective games, although Lucina, Robin, and Chrom (in Robin's final smash) are the trio from their game.
Robin at least gets the excuse of being a mage first, and a swordsman second. Corrin gets a pass for being a dragon.
As much as I like FE, 6 characters is definitely too many. Then again, Fire Emblem kind of owes much, if not all, of its continued existence to Smash.
>>321220265
I agree. I feel like people would have taken Corrin a lot better had Roy not come back and Lucina not taken up her own spot.
>>321220380
The problem with Corrin is that he's coming in DLC, all the DLCs been about most wanted characters and all that, no one asked for him and his game is not even out here yet
The non-swordsman characters are usually pretty irrelevant. Besides, Robin uses magic and Corrin is part dragon.
>>321219694
The thing that I was initially hoping for with lucina was that she would have a weapon switch mechanic so she can change her weapon to a spear.
>>321220114
>on the boxart
>entire subplot about her story
>in more cutscenes than her dad implying her story is more important
If anything Chrom is the third wheel. with Lucina second and Robin first.
>>321219694
Because axes, spears, bows, knives, and bare fists are fucking gay and only used by cocksuckers. Swords are the only good weapon.
>>321220692
Isn't Chrom basically in every cutscene where Lucina also appears?
We need Jaffar
>>321219694
Robin is a mage though
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-the-inclusion-of-cloud-corrin-and-bayonetta-in-smash-bros-wii-u3ds/
>>321220910
Is that you Xion?
>>321221075Who?
>>321219694
Reminder of the perfect FE roster
>Ike
Wields Ragnell and a throw-axe for a projectile
>Hector
Heavy axe wielder, kills super easy but not very mobile
>Ephraim
Spear user with godlike spacing but not too hot up close
>Lyn/Lucina
Not just for muh female rep, but also the standard sword lord. However, Lucina can use a Bow and Spear in a weapon trio mechanic while Lyn can focus on flashy quick combos and a bow for a secondary weapon. Either works
>Robin/Micaiah
Mages, little to no sword use, entirely dependent on versatility and playing it smart
>Corrin/Tiki
Dragon morpher. Combines some aspects of a mage and a heavy, with a good range of options and strong attacks, but susceptible to lag punishing
There, 6 characters, all unique, all representing the managable weapons in Fire Emblem (i.e. no pegasi or wyvern riders)
6 may seem like a lot but with it, theres literally no need for anymore ever. It's the perfect Fire Emblem lineup.
>>321220692
>>321220845
That's silly.
Chrom pretty much takes over Lucina's story when she joins the Shepherds, he's the leader, he makes the decisions, she doesn't even chime in for 2/3 of the talking.
Chrom is clearly the MC, Robin and Lucina are both about equal as secondary main characters.
The biggest thing you can say is that Chrom's character arc is complete by the end of the first part of the game, where Lucina's only starts in the second.
In regards to the thread, apparently they wanted Tharja to be in the game too. I really wish they'd managed that.
>>321220910
What's the point of posting a blank image,anon?
>>321219694
Because in a franchrise filled with with all the stuff you just said the main characters all happen to weild swords.
That's why the added Corrin
>>321221524
Why the fuck would Ike need to use Hand Axes when he can just shoot sword beams out of Ragnell?
>>321221525
>In regards to the thread, apparently they wanted Tharja to be in the game too. I really wish they'd managed that.
I don't, not trying to start shit but I just feel like she's been pushed too hard in comparison to her actual game relevance. I know she's one of the most popular females in Awakening but in terms of the actual series, she's actually not that important overall.
>>321221710
I think OP was arguing that we have equally important characters who don't wield swords along with several Lords/Main characters who are sword uses primarily.
>>321221524
>Hector
>Ephraim
I mean I love these characters but even I know that they aren't recognizable to non-FE fans and aren't even relevant to FE anymore.
It's like adding Heracross and I dunno, Swellow because you think they're cool Pokemon and could play interestingly
>>321220114
>Thirdiary
I will fucking find you and kill you. It's TERTIARY you uneducated shitfaced millenial.
>>321221874
Muh cloud/ike clone meme
Also throw axes are quite different from heavy axes in FE and should be represented some way or another.
>>321221524
>FE roster packed with shitty GBA/Awakening characters
>>321221525
Chrom is the MC, meaning the Main Cuck of the entire FE franchise. He lets a complete stranger lead his army, lets him fuck his sister and daughter, forgives MU for nearly killing him, and wants him to stay alive even if that means the ancient evil will maybe wipe out humanity later. Hes not even the real heir to the throne.
Lucina saves Chroms sorry life and warns the crew about the ancient awakened evil.
MU IS the evil and is required to kill the final boss for one ending.
>>321222042
I'm an indian
>>321222074
But hector could use Hand Axes. Why not just have him use them?
>>321219694
Replace Lucina with Eirika
>>321222164
>wanting characters over unique movesets
>>321222220
Oh...DESIGNATEDIs it true though? Genuinely curious.
>>321222347
Good taste
>#FE, the proper crossover, is just Akaneia and Awakening
>>321221982
>aren't recognizable to non-FE fans and aren't even relevant to FE anymore.
You're saying that like putting them in couldn't make them recognizable to non-FE fans. Roy and Marth were practically unknowns over here when the debuted and character poll, for Famistu I believe shows that the older characters are still thought of.
Fun fact: When you start Hector Mode in FE7, the game tells you that you are going to start Eliwood's story.
>>321221982
And Roy is still relevant?
Hector and Ephraim are both in Awakening btw.
Good goys who bought the DLC (Nintendos target audience) will surely recognize em.
>>321221950
Who though?
Tiki maybe. She's like the mascot for #FE and is pretty recognizable, but we got Corrin already.
If we want an Axe weilding Lord, Ike is actually the perfect fit. He actually CAN weild Axes, especially because he learned fighting from his father, so maybe change some of Ike's moves to switch to an Axe instead? Actually would be cool if Ike could have a stance change so he'd be kinda fast with a sword but slow and heavy with an axe. It always bothered me that Ike was slow in Brawl with his Ranger design, because Ike moves lightning fast with his critical hits and aside from Swordmasters was like one of the fastest characters in his game.
Just imagine if Ike switched to a sword and took his Lord stance and if he switches to an Axe he'd have his Ranger stance. Would be cool
>next Fire Emblem spin offs to come
>Dynasty Warriors Fire Emblem
>Total War Fire Emblem
>Soul Calibur Fire Emblem
>Fire Emblem Smash
choose one
>>321222545
Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei
>>321222518
>Hector and Ephraim are both in Awakening btw.
They aren't even DLC characters like Roy, Marth, Micaiah, or Eirika.
>>321222518
Didn't Sacred Stones get put on one of the shops? And was in the Ambassador program? I know more people were exposed to it in those two things.
>>321219694
>No mention of Dancers
Why are you such an OP, Faggot?
>>321222545
>Dynasty Warriors Fire Emblem
This one because everyone seems to kick this idea around. The devs were even asking about it. I mean they pretty much didn't comment on it, but the idea was brought to them after I believe FE placed second, or just high in general in the poll for it.
>>321221524
>Removing fucking Marth
>>321222639
Eph is, Hector isn't.
>>321222518
>Hector and Ephraim are both in Awakening btw.
Well gee it's not like EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHARACTER IN FE EVER is in Awakening.
Also I feel Roy is the most undeserved FE rep in all of smash. His game wasn't really popular, Roy is the least popular Lord and he is way too similar to Marth even in his own game to make an interesting moveset for him that doesn't feel like some sort of Marth clone.
>>321222473
Even so, the problem with them is that they are like secondary main characters even in their own game. FE7 has Lyn and Eliwood, both more relevant than Hector and FE8 has Eirika, who is arguably equally relevant to Ephraim (though a little more since you actually start out with Eirika and her path is the first one the player is supposed to play) and putting in Ephraim but not Eirika would also feel really weird. They could make a cool Ice Climber like combo though (also representing the pair up system, even if it wasn't really in their game)
>>321219694
We need a dancer tbqh
>>321222545
>Dynasty Warriors Fire Emblem
Only one that actually makes sense. Should've chosen FExWarriors instead of Zelda.
Though I guess it's good we didn't get #Zelda?
>>321222836
>wanting generic swordsman when the alternatives both have potential bows and spears
>>321222887
>FE7 has Lyn and Eliwood, both more relevant than Hector and FE8 has Eirika, who is arguably equally relevant to Ephraim (though a little more since you actually start out with Eirika and her path is the first one the player is supposed to play) and putting in Ephraim but not Eirika would also feel really weird. They could make a cool Ice Climber like combo though (also representing the pair up system, even if it wasn't really in their game)
If were going by popularity and the magazine poll, it would Lyn, Hector, and Ephraim.
>>321221524
Marth HAS to be in. Taking him out would be like taking out Pikachu as Pokemon rep because more interesting variations have been introduced since then.
>>321222201
Actually, Lucina doesn't save Chrom's life.
All the stuff she saves him from was stuff that happened in her timeline and only injured him at best.
But Chrom does save Lucina's life multiple times.
>>321222891
I want to play as Reyson and defeat enemies with boypussy.
>>321223071
And here's the other half before anyone asks.
>>321223071
There are hundreds of FE polls from hundreds of magazines and you'll always end up with a different favorite character
>>321223071
>If were going by popularity and the magazine poll, it would Lyn, Hector, and Ephraim.
Because...there are more popular characters than them?
>>321223071
Lyn scoring #4 is impressive considering how long ago FE7 was.
>>321223154
>Ike number 1
Actually surprised by this. I mean I know Ike is the most popular in the west, but I thought Japan hated him for being buff manly guy which in Japan is the equivalent of being gay?
Which is also why all other FE Lords are so girly
>>321223071
>make a cool Ice Climber like combo
No.
Ike Climbers or bust.
>>321222539
Ike with an Axe would be savage as fuck.
Though it's never going to happen because Sakurai hates changing already existing movesets radically. See Ganondorf
>>321223106
But Pikachu is in every fucking Pokemon game ever while Marth is absent in pretty the majority of FEs or some tacked on DLC char at best.
>>321221524
>No Marth
Ike, Marth, Robin. Anything else is fluff. Corrin is fine but god damn do I hate his/her design.
>>321223486
Marth is in 4 of 14 games and features heavily in another one. No other FE character comes close.
>>321223342
Being in 2 games and Smash Bros probably helped solidify his popularity. Same situation with Marth.
>>321222545
I'd probably play a Soul Calibur Fire Emblem.
As long as theres a staff user.
>>321223486
He's had the most titles out of any character in the series (granted some of them are remakes) and even if it's DLC, he's still there. Marth even had an unique class in Awakening, even if it's just a variation of Lucina's model, unlike other characters.
>>321223493
Modern Fire Emblem armors are fucking atrocious, Robing and Lucina luckily don't wear any.
>>321223934
And the story of Awakening heavily built on Marth. He's there to stay in the franchrise lore and in smash. He is THE Fire Emblem Lord.
Hope Ike stays relevant with a Priam game
>>321222545
Dissidia Fire Emblem
>>321223239
I don't think you were getting what I was saying but it's whatever.
>>321223263
Yeah but remember she was an assist in Smash. If she straight up interest people, I know she probably jogged fans' memory.
>>321223051
He's the series mascot. That's like removing Mario because Luigi's more interesting.
>>321222891
Fuck no
If they add dancer it'll be Aqua, and I want anyone but Aqua in the game, fuck her.
I'm not a FEfag, but I don't get why people don't want other oldies featured other than marth, someone elaborate why other than
>they're just not popular!
I mean, if I were to support a series I'd at least want a good bit of the oldies to be repped.
>>321219694
Go tell Intelegent Systems that you want a Lord who's main weapon is an ax, lance, bow, or whatever weapon.
Then that lord will get into Smash you crybaby.
>>321220380
>taken up her own spot
I'm tired of this meme, she did not waste a slot, she was put in hyper-specifically because she would please a lot of fans and be an easy to make character. If she was not put in, you would not have gotten original: the character, you would have gotten some other clone, or nothing at all.
>>321224041
Awakening's armor was atrocious. Fates' armor is fine.
>inb4 Camilla
Literally the only one.
>>321224696
From what I've seen it's not that most people don't want older reps and are trying to find reasons for them to not be in, it's that they want them and thinking of reasons of why the wouldn't be a pick to be in.
>>321224696
It's not that we don't want them, it's more that we just don't expect such a thing to ever happen because only NES characters ever get the revival treatment.
>>321224807
Did that trigger you? Let me do it again:
Lucina taken up her own spot.
>>321222545
>Fire Emblem Smash
Isn't that one already out?
>>321224696
Because FE has literally hundreds of characters so if you don't have at least some criteria to decide which FE character should get in and which should not we'd end up with a character roster of like 20 characters all filled with FE characters and people are already complaining about 6.
It's the Pokemon problem.
Non FE fans think that Sakurai puts so many FE characters in because he wants to shill FE, but the reality is simply that FE has so many characters to choose from and (at least in Japan) they all have pretty vocal fans.
>>321224972
I want to say that it's because they saw the criticism for Awakening's armor but they pretty much started working on it right after Awakening. I agree though, Fates' armor seems a lot better overall.
>>321224696
I wouldn't mind older characters getting in, I'd actually enjoy it if Ephraim got in.
The problem is that FE characters get in Smash via whatever the newest game is. Awakening got characters because it was the newest game at the time and Fates ended up getting a character because of it conveniently getting released during the DLC time period.
>>321222418
UNICEF doesn't make educational videos about internet memes. The poo stuff is true.
>>321222545
Fire Emblem Warriors because it sounds the most different from FE and FE Smash which we already got.
>>321224972
Corring him/herself man. And I'm not talking about the bare feet because I get what they're trying to go for, the armor itself looks is awful because it looks like fucking SPANDEX
>>321225076
Not him, but repeating something after it was pointed out as wrong doesn't make a difference in any regard
>>321225346
I wouldn't really call Corrin's outfit armor. Seems more like clothes, although weird clothes.
>>321225365
Lucina taken up her own spot.
>>321225346
It's probably supposed to be because he's a shapshifter
>>321225432
The top half is fine, it's the bottom half that seems spandex-y.
>>321225436
Still nothing
>>321225432
The lightning for the armor seems pretty metallic.
>>321225515
It's not like clothes had mattered for shapeshifting before in Fire Emblem, from the manakete units I've used.
>>321225724
Yeah their clothes just disappeared and reappeared. That being said I think the design works better for Femui than Mamui.
>>321225724
Yeah but they also didn't wear any armor at all.
And I think in PoR it's explicitely pointed out by Lethe that their shapeshifting is the reason why they are wearing no armor
