I feel sorry for people who didn't play this game in their childhood.
>inb4 but MM is better!
Yeah, in some ways it is, but it's the original, brehs.
ok
Too bad it got its ass rightfully beat by Undertale in the GameFaqs Best Game Ever contest.
Agreed. My favourite temple is the forest temple how did it's melody go again?
>>321174824
I played it when I was like 16 as well as Majora's Mask.
The GBC Zeldas beat it hands down. Shame they always get overlooked.
>>321174824
The people that are criticising OoT are usually people that are too young or too poor to own a n64. Everyone else pretty much agrees this should be considered as one of the best games ever made
>>321174824
Played both in my childhood , nowadays I feel like MM is better because of the atmosphere.
I played it when I was 8-9 years old.
Best game ever made next to EarthBound. A true adventure.
>>321174824
This would have been true 17 years ago but not today. ALTTP aged far more gracefully and is a much better game to boot.
>>321174910
>rightfully
>>321175091
>>321175120
>>321175239
The game aged like fucking milk.
Take off the goggles.
Who here also plays through OoT as a Christmas tradition?
>>321174910
>a game older than most gamefaqs users lost to the current FOTM meme game
What a surprise.
>>321175262
I'd agree with you if the final area and ganondorf's fights weren't basically perfect in OoT.
ALTTP had the best overworld theme in any of the games though
Playing OoT in your childhood is the only way to enjoy it. Its an ugly slow clunky mess by todays standards.
>>321175509
Especially the dark world one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOb0CcSA04c
>>321175428
This.
I somehow managed to miss out on OoT, even though I had basically every other First Party N64 game. I tried it out a few years ago out of curiosity, and I have to say, it is borderline unplayable. I imagine Most 3D platformers from that time are the same way, though.
I really love the 3DS port of the game, wish they'd port it to the Wii U already.
>mfw most kids these days get stuck in the first dungeon of OoT and call it boring or overrated
No wonder FO4 gives you power armor and a fucking minigun barely than an hour into the game. Fucking idiots.
EH REH
>>321174824
I feel sorry for people who DID play this game in their childhood.
It's made them bitter and horrible people who lash out at others just because they have or have not played this game, or because they like another game more.
Honestly, this game should be banned for the betterment of mankind, to stop people like the OP from existing.
>>321175612
(that was the one I meant)
But fuck, why was SNES music so good? MMX, Castlevania, Metroid, all GOAT to this day
I actually played this game when it came out.
Didn't like it because solving puzzles is not my cup of tea.
>>321174824
>Played both this and FF7 when I was 10
>ended up liking FF7 more and have been a massive JRPG fan for the following 17 years
Haven't touch a zelda title since and I don't think i'll ever understand all the love the series gets.
>>321175887
>tripfag is a massive casual
Try dating sims
>play OoT back then
>Kind of fun
>Then play MM back then
>Infinitely better
>Play OoT now
>It hurts to play
>Play MM now
>Still holds up, I even find enjoyment in some of the details that I forgot
>>321175890
Probably because you're a massive retarded weeb who didn't both to play anything else in the series while wondering why the series is loved
I like MM better but OoT is good
Is Majora's Mask easy to get into?
I remember renting it when I was younger (and awful at vidya) and never knowing what to do.
>>321175890
You should play ALTTP, it's the definitive Zelda experience.
>>321175979
Chill man.
>>321175965
>>321176030
MM plays the same as OOT.
OoT is a 10/10 game. only tryhard contrarians will disagree.
>>321175962
Hold on there skippy.
Its not that I couldn't handle puzzles or that I think the game is bad, its just that I prefer games where you get your adrenaline going like beat em ups, FPS, fighting, racing, or certain RTS games.
>>321175880
I thought you were referring to the regular overworld theme.
>>321175979
Everyone always told me you only needed to play OoT.
I did try a bit of LttP a few years ago and it was infinitely better.
Also:
>Zelda
>not weeb
There're terabytes of images floating around online that says you're full of shit.
>>321176219
>I did try a bit of LttP a few years ago and it was infinitely better.
You said you haven't touched a Zelda title since OOT when you were 10.
>>321174824
I remember the moment I first played this on Christmas day the year it came out.
When I saw link riding the horse on the intro I thought I had my TV set on the wrong channel because it looked so realistic
I never liked Zelda games. I always found them dull, samey and boring. It's made for people who will always order the same fucking thing at a restaurant. Sure, it'll always be slightly different, but it'll be the same fucking dish you'll always have.
>>321176030
I guess it's a bit more convoluted than OoT due to the whole time limit thing but as long as you read what your fairy buddy tells you're good
>>321176321
>weeb lying about shit in a desperate attempt to fit in
you shouldn't be too surprised
>>321174824
OoT isn't that good, especially if you didn't play it at its time.
>>321175890
Its because you have good taste. FF7 buried OoT and the N64 in both sales and quality.
>>321176328
>tfw will never experience the amazement I felt at the transition from 2D to 3D graphics ever again
Only thing close to it was playing CoD2 a decade ago at Meijer
>>321176321
Borrowed a friend's Wii 5 years ago and he had it on virtual console, only played it for about 2 hours before we traded back.
From what i got it seemed like a better game than OoT so i guess I've always wondered why OoT was always held higher in regard.
I really need to get around to emulating it.
>>321176453
all jrpgs are trash
>>321175428
The game didn't age that badly actually.
>>321176453
recognizing that they're both great games is objectively the better taste
>>321175965
>trying this hard
they are the same shit. nobody cares about your hipster opinion thinking the less popular game is somehow better.
>>321174824
I feel more sorry for people who weren't kids before 3d games became the norm.
>>321174937
I think it goes EH REHHHHHH
>>321175091
I am down to criticize the shit out of it if you'd like :^)
>>321174824
>shit combat
>very little reward for the sparse exploration offered
>well-composed music, but on a shitty sound chip so a lot of the tracks don't sound nearly as good as its predecessor's equivalents in spite of being a generation ahead
>story exists, nothing else can really be said about it as it absolutely doesn't stand out in any way
>good atmosphere
I dunno OP, there are plenty of games that are mediocre in every respect but have good atmosphere to make up for it. I don't see how that makes every following game a disappointment.
>>321176453
>sonyggers actually believe this
>>321176453
In terms of sales It only did so because it was on a much more successful platform and full of FMVs. In terms of quality lol pic related.
>>321176468
You should, I also recommend Link's Awakening DX.
Ocarina of Time is possibly the single most overrated game in the history of video games
A Link to the Past is a million times better, nigga.
>>321174824
>breh
not even a lewd picture in the op, and even then it's a shit-tier meme
fuck off back to 9fag
>>321176150
It plays almost the same. The thing that mainly changed it was the whole transformation thing. Arguably, that made it more frustrating. However, I felt Majora's Mask was more immersive and it had a more established world. It felt more interesting and it compelled me to play and want to interact with all of the characters to get all of the masks. On the other hand, in Ocarina of Time the world is pretty basic. The advantage that it has is that it has more dungeons, but some of them feel as if they just serve the purpose of having more content. The world in OoT is definitely less immersive, and the overworld is pretty barren.
Maybe I just preferred the subtle details that MM had and how the characters and the sub-plots felt interesting, in addition to having more fun dungeons (though sadly, less). But I think that it's the better of the two N64 titles, and probably the best 3D title.
>>321176765
>possibly
The only other game that comes close is Undertale right now, but that's probably just a flavor of the month.
>>321176765
Last of Us and Gone Homo are way less deserving of the praise they get.
>>321176816
Calm down breh,
>>321175485
It actually was quite a surprise, which is why it is being remarked upon at all
>>321176765
Until TLOU happened.
I beat it for the first time recently after years of watching my older brother play it, still a pretty good game.
>>321174824
What most people don't seem to understand is that the main merits of this game aren't the graphics or shit like that, the main thing that sets this game miles apart from it's peers is just design overall.
The very fist area is staggering when you've not played many 3D games before, the way how it introduces new mechanics, let's you fuck around and find your own way to make rupees, how the first dungeon revolves mainly on manipulating the new dimension and the idea of learning about your environment before proceeding.
>>321176526
Yes it did
Comes from a faggot that had PS1 instead of N64 back in a day and tries to replay the classicsMM did not
>>321176685
Sales and popularity. Believe when I tell you more people know about FF7 than OoT
People outside the hobby don't even remember the N64
>>321176765
Yeah, meanwhile shit like Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us are totally underrated.
>Best 3D Zelda
Ocarina of time
>Best 2D Zelda
Oracle of ages
>>321176889
DELETE THIS
>>321177040
This. Every puzzle in the first dungeon is designed in a way that would be impossible to exist in 2D. This transfers to most of the game as well.
But OoT is the worst 3D zeldafollowed by TP
>ugly
>water temple
>literally no point for having a horse
>horse controls are shit
>retarded block puzzles everywhere
>no character development aside from literally all the girls wanting to swallow Link's cock
>medigoron is a fraud
>>321174824
>but it's the original
What
>>321177113
Believe when I tell you the opposite of what you said is true for me.
>>321177113
>Believe when I tell you more people know about FF7 than OoT
Do JRPG fags really believe this? Lel
>>321175428
>a video game from the 90's aged like shit!
Stop the fucking presses. Why would you ever judge a Nintendo 64 game by current standards? I'm supposed to dock points from it because it doesn't look and play like fucking Uncharted? Objectively speaking, Ocarina of Time revolutionized the industry and influenced countless games years after its release. It was an incredible title when it came out, which is the only frame of time with which you would be analyzing it assuming you're not clinically retarded.
>>321176363
Sounds exactly like Dragon Quest.
>>321177209
>hates the water temple
True sign of a casual
>>321177331
Not him, but the water temple isn't hard. It's just fucking tedious and annoying.
>>321177271
>OoT
>Sold 7.2 million
>Final Fantasy 7
>Sold 9.7 million
>>321177141
Bioshock Infinite is underrated if anything. It's not only a great game, it's also a literary masterpiece.
>>321177209
>ugly
It's a 5th gen game, what did you expect?
>water temple
Shit meme.
>literally no point for having a horse
Besides getting around quicker.
>horse controls are shit
git gud
>retarded block puzzles everywhere
Are you retarded?
>no character development aside from literally all the girls wanting to swallow Link's cock
It's almost like it chose to focus on the gameplay instead.
>medigoron is a fraud
True.
It was good, especially for it's time, and the 3D transition was favorable, but let's not get carried away.
-We had just come from sprites and tiling that while not masterpieces, were nice and clean/legible to look at
-These same games were also in 60 fps except when lagging
-In OoT and other N64 games, we were suddenly dealing with ugly textures and ~20 fps (even worse if PAL), the price to pay for early 3D. Most of us were still wowed, but looking back on it, it was a downgrade mostly.
-Combat is style over substance. It tries to make it feel intense and engaging, and it seems to have convinced lots of people, but really there isn't much to it skillwise.
-The plot is not good. That's not the worst fate for a video game, but the past Zeldas did not shove this shit down your throat in-game, and that's how it should be. The worst we had to deal with before OoT were the maidens in dark world. In OoT, there are constant scenes and tons of dialogue. Like, how much fucking exposition do we need for a story we have seen 5 times already about saving a damn princess and getting powerful artifacts?
-On top of plot wasting your time, the game in general likes to waste your time. There are all sorts of little time wasters here and there, and it really gets tiring. For example, watching Link dig through a chest, entering a room and being forced to watch Link watch the door lock, or seeing a forced camera tour through a new room.
-The world map is a disaster. It is a flat empty ring (amorphous blob, I guess) with a stable in the middle. It is nothing but "hey look, we got horses in this one!" There is no question that it is a step backwards from the filled worlds of previous Zeldas.
-This was also the first Zelda to really start digging into the "Hit boss 3x with item you just got to win." Sure, there was a good possibility in previous Zeldas that you used an item you just got to kill the boss, but there were also lots of more conventional bossfights with choice of weaponry.
>>321177331
>enjoyed the watertemple
Faggot we're not talking about the 3ds remake here. The original version is shit, in the remake it's "bearable".
>>321177567
>Are you retarded?
Nah come on, that's his one valid point. The "puzzles" in Zelda aren't even really puzzles, just time-wasters.
Majora's Mask was never better. Ocarina of Time has the best story in the Zelda series. It reminds me of classic fantasy stories like Redwall and Lord of the Rings.
>>321177520
I like it a lot. Some of the best temple music, easily best miniboss.
Admittedly pausing to put on/take off Iron Boots is tedious. Otherwise it's great.
>>321177550
And yet more people know about OOT and talk about it because sales =/= quality
Go ask someone on the street right now if they like Zelda games or Final Fantasy games more right now
>>321177664
Fair enough., but you have to remember that it's still a kid's game first and foremost.
>>321175078
>The GBC Zeldas beat it hands down
They do not, but they are the best 2D games. The console 2D games feel quite unpolished in comparison.
>>321174824
what annoys me about newage oot kids is it isn't enough to admit that the game is pretty good, like I admit, but then it has to be the GREATEST GAME EVER MADE OR YOUR UNDERAGED
even though most of you played it on an emulator or your fucking wii/3ds
>>321175439
me bro; we should play it together and discuss :3
>>321177757
Nah, they don't. FF7 remake generated far more hype than any Zelda remake could ever possibly hope to achieve. Only hipsters and gamer gurrls like Zelda.
More people played it, more people remember it.
>>321177751
LOL please tell me this is bait
>>321175439
Playing it on 3DS this christmas
>>321174824
I play this today and its mediocre
>alogical riddles
>annoying ways to finding new dungeons
>gameplay is just walking for hours and touching pixels in try to find a way
Yes, atmosphere and setting is great but gameplay is so archaic, today you have a lot of better games with this zeldian sort of gameplay
>>321177913
>remake hype from devoted sonyggers means more people like it
Tell me when Episodes from Final Fantasy 7 actually gets released
>>321177757
>OoT remake
>"oh cool"
>FF7 remake
>"HOLY SHIT"
>>321177751
>its le hero's journey
that somehow makes it better than games that don't rigidly follow an archetype?
it's like people who pick kotor1's story over 2's
>>321175632
Mario 64 is still amazing and very playable tho
>>321175887
>Didn't like it because solving puzzles is not my cup of tea.
And as a huge OoT fan, I'm totally OK with this because it can't be for everyone. It would really suck for the people who do like it if it was devoid of mystery, and it's fine if not everyone loves if because of this.
>>321174824
That's funny.
There are lots of games i playd when i was younger that i have better memories of.
>Starcraft
>Curse of Monkey Island
>DOTT
>Half-life
OoT was a great game but it's horribly overhyped on the internet. It's not even the best Zelda game.
>>321177279
>you should be wearing your Razer™ Nostaglia Googles™ when you critique OoT!
Fuck off. His point still stands because he said it aged like shit and all you said was "it was good back then though" which was literally what he said.
>>321178090
>FF7 Remake to be released in episodic form
>o-oh...
>>321176453
Sonygger about Zelda: hurr durr aged like milk, lol navi meme from 9gag xD.
Overrated trash. Graphics suxx
Nintendo fan about FF7: yeah good game and very iconic. Wish we got it on the n64.
This is why everyone hates Sonyggers. Nintendo fans dont mind admitting the Playstation had some good games while Sonyggers can only shitpost and use dank memes in Nintendo threads.
>>321178101
Iuno, I don't think either are unplayable, but SM64 also has some pretty glaring issues due to being an early 3D game (clunky controls and camera, bonking, analog reacts weirdly to camera changes, levels feel like boxes with shit thrown in, lackluster bosses, low framerate, ugly graphics).
Sunshine runs like a dream by comparison especially if you upscale it and play it on an emulator, and it's a shame it got such a bad rap due to "LOL CLEANING UP SHIT WHAT HAS MARIO COME TO?"
>>321178005
What do you want a fucking quest marker you baby? After you do anything an NPC tells you where to go, if you forget Navi gives you a hint.
>>321178247
When the fuck are they going to put Starcraft 1 on steam anyways?
>>321178307
>Thinking that's going to stop normies from buying every single one
>>321178090
That's because the OoT remake was a 3DS enhanced port of the existing game. Had a full on console remake of OoT, with all the extra Ura DD content and more + extra post game challenges been made with modern graphics, I can guarantee you people would have lost their shit.Half of my hype for FFVII:R comes from the possibility the the combat might no longer be completely disappointing.
>>321176830
>a game that's getting its dick sucked twenty years after the fact is only rivaled in unjustified popularity by a game that is at a natural peak in its visibility cycle
/v/ is literally going to give me an aneurysm one of these days
>>321178373
Never ever.
Blizzard is going to remake it and you know that they will fuck up. All it needs is rescale to HD.
>>321177913
That's only because FF7 remake has been discussed for years. Loads of the people uploading le ebin reaction videos to FF7 never played the fucking thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Xnv6LQGRw
>>321178373
They are "remastering" blizzard classics, so maybe then if you are lucky (but prob just Bnet 2.0). I just want hi-res graphics but still drawn the same way. Also fix the "cant press hotkey and click at same time" horseshit, at least they didnt have the "cant move pointer and click at same time" shit other RTSes suffered from though.
It'd be nice if they considered fixing pathing and adding multiple building selection, but that'd also make the game easier and I think itd piss a lot of people off. Maybe make it an option that is off by default?
>>321178334
No, it's more like
Nintendo fans about FF7: hurr durr jrpgs suck, lol *unsheathes masamune* xD
>>321178483
Hence why I said
>probably just a flavor of the month
>>321174824
it's an okay game but nothing mind blowing or anything
granted I didn't play it as a kid, but I still think it's fine.WW best zelda
>>321178090
The reaction to the FF7 remake was largely because people thought it would never happen. People had talked about getting a full FF7 remake for YEARS but it had never happened to most thought it was just a pipe dream. It's basically the same as TLG being confirmed for still existing.
>>321178480
Master Quest which is the only not-scrapped part of Ura is in.
>muh extra post game target shooting game for no reason so very fun!
Fuck off. Also you got the fishing minigame you casual.
>play twilight princess as a teen
>wow zelda is actually a good series, I should go back and play the old ones
>play OoT
>it's fucking garbage
if you didn't play this game as a child you realise that it's a steaming pile of shit, remove your nostalgia goggles for 30 seconds and think clearly
played OoT at launch, was unimpressed. Wanted a PS1 and FF7 but my parent's didn't listen to me that xmas.
>>321178639
>play one game
>OH MAN WHAT A GREAT SERIES
your own fault retard.
>>321178546
>cloud in sm4sh
>literally every nintenfag under the sun is happy
lies
>>321178334
I grew up with both and they were both special games for me for different reasons. You sound bias. Judging an entire game's fanbase like that is idiotic.
Played OOT on a Emulator way back when emulation was young.
Replay the remake on the 3ds.
Game is good but not the best thing ever.
Id have to say to much nostalgia.
>>321174824
I had better in my childhood, and it wasn't casual like OOT and every game following it because Aonuma is a crybaby that hides in a corner when octoroks appear.
>tfw every bit of hatred for this game is calling it cryptic when every NPC gives you clear hints to look for whats in the area you receive the same abilities in
>tfw /v/ is so casual it hurts.
Like the only good claim you have to it being cryptic is where new kasuto is located. I hammered trees for days before I found that fucker.
>>321178597
>Only 4 main dungeons
>Battles feel more like QTEs than ever
>Sailing takes forever even with the warp composition (though heard they improved it with new sail at least in HD version)
>Still suffers from new age Zelda-itis problems found in other 3Ds
>Triforce hunt
Yeah, "best"
Why do people keep comparing OOT to FF7 anyway? They're both completely different games.
>>321178639
>Twilight Princess
Literally OOT 2.0: Furshit Edition
>>321178639
How so?
>>321178538
Well. If they fix pathing it would make Dragoon rush (Not really a rush, but more of a poke) useless.
>>321178506
It seems so weird though considering they released Starcraft 2 on steam, you'd think they would want more money through putting it on an easy platform.
>>321178738
>most personality
>best humor
these were the important parts for me
>>321176363
There's nothing else that comes close to doing what they actually do well at their best though. Nothing else offers such a densely re-explorable and immersive world to interact with, and I'd love to play anything that did.
>>321178732
I fucking love this game. 1 or 2 parts are a bit silly (falling through floor in last dungeon via breaking bricks comes to mind) and Dark Link was pretty poorly made, but I'd love another Zelda like this one.
>>321178639
>only played Twilight Princess before any other Zelda game
>likes Twilight Princess
>thinks his opinion matters
>>321174824
anon it's really not that good
>>321178756
Because people here are retarded enough to think you can compare two completely different games on their quality just because they were the biggest sellers on their respective systems, welcome to consolewar faggotry.
>>321178790
I guess so, wasn't there some cute camera side quest? I hate how they turned Zelda from an interesting character into the boring princess in an instant. I never played Zelda or games in general for plot and dialogue, so I can't factor that as a good reason.
>>321178783
I hate that shit though if I am the one massing units. Fucking stop dancing in that corner motherfucker. Every time a unit steps in a tight lane everyone else behind it is immediately retard mode for the next 30 seconds.
>>321178480
>Half of my hype for FFVII:R comes from the possibility the the combat might no longer be completely disappointing.
Too bad the OOT remake did nothing about that same issue.FF7R's combat looks just as bad as the original.
>>321176091
>You should play ALTTP, it's the definitive Zelda experience.
ALTTP aged pretty badly as far as controls and combat go though. I decided to play it for the first time a couple years ago after being spoiled by newer entries and it was borderline unplayable. The dungeon layouts and music were really good though.
ALTTP remade with ALBW's engine and little else changed would probably be perfect.
>>321178887
>thinks anyones opinion matters
we're discussing video games here not fucking astrophysics. You don't need any qualifications whatsoever to like a video game, get over yourself you narcissistic fuck
This console war faggotry didn't exist back in the time this games were released, at least not in Europe.
I had a friend with a N64 and I had a Playstation, we went to each other houses and we loved both console's catalog.
>>321178875
Sadly it'll never happen as long as Nintendo wants to pander directly to and only to casuals, and as long as Aonuma is in charge. We'll never get another Zelda that legitimately feels like a quest like Zelda 2 did.
People can't seem to make any arguments why the game is so good other than muh nostalgia. Also
>unskippable dialogue
>>321179380
People can't seem to make any arguments why the game is bad other than muh nostalgia.
>>321179252
>ALTTP aged pretty badly as far as controls and combat go though.
>>321179252
I don't really agree. 12 directions of motion is more than the 8 you usually get (or even 4 in case of original Zelda) and the controls work as they should for a 2D game. It is very playable, the only complaint I think that would be legitimate is that Link's walking speed feels a bit slow, but the game isn't really designed in such a way that you are strafing all over the place like a speed demon.
The combat is simple but it works, if you aren't using a ranged weapon then you just walk in from a good direction (based on how enemy attacks and where their weak point is) when there's an opening and swing. You need to quickly turn around to block if you are running away, or stop swinging. Simplicity is fine when it comes to combat. When you play the new Zeldas (at least OoT-WW, I haven't played TP onwards), the combat is faster but feels really fake in terms of intensity and skill. The reality is that youre just holding Z with lock-on waiting for the enemy to stop being a jackass with his shield, or in WW, you are doing stupid QTE-like events (Ganon was REALLY bad about it). I think I'd take slower simplicity over fraudulence any day.
I feel sorry you are such a fucking loser you genuinely feel sorry for people who didn't play your childhood's defining video game when they were kids.
>>321178373
When Blizzard is no longer large enough to sustain its own shitty store.
>>321179548
This thread has plenty of posts that are good criticism. The guy complaining that you were just running into pixels trying to figure out where to go kind of sounded ridiculous though, it isn't fucking rocket science.
>unskippable cutscenes and dialogue
>hardly any sidequests
>empty overworld
>shit enemy variety
>faggot ass rainbow bridge
>water temple that literally allows you to run out of keys and have to restart your entire game
why do people think this game is good again?
>>321176765
And I disagree. I feel that it's exactly as good as it's claimed to be. It took me completely by surprise when I first played it, as I simply didn't expect it would be like it was.
>>321179780
>water temple that literally allows you to run out of keys and have to restart your entire game
>hardly any sidequests
>empty overworld
>shit enemy variety
All wrong.
>>321179994
>Literally allows you to run out of keys
No, you just keep missing the key thats in the bottom of the central tower under the platforms. It's well hidden.
Its not bad but its no wind waker either
>>321179994
The overworld is definitely empty as fuck. Having an occasional bush, perfectly circular black hole cave, or enemy doesn't save it.
>>321179780
>water temple that literally allows you to run out of keys
how are you so fucking STUPID
>>321175428
Played for the first time last year and I can confidently say you can go fuck yourself. It's far better than 90% of games getting pumped out these days.
>>321174910
I love Undertale and you're full of shit.
>>321179158
>Too bad the OOT remake did nothing about that same issue.
That's more or less the point I was making. Had the remake seriously changed that, it would have fixed OoT's single most major flaw, which really would be worth hyping.
>>321174824
While this game is more better than the newer 3D zelda games it still fall short to the 2D ones IMO
Its not because the game is "dated" or anything (i don't even believe in that garbage) I beat the forest temple and had no desire to continue the game. It had some decent puzzles and figuring how to beat bosses and dungeons were fun if not a little frustrating since a good portion of this game is contextual for example jumping.
>>321180346
Hyrule Field is the part of OoT that aged the worst. For its time it was amazing having such a large fully 3D rendered level, especially without the N64's dreaded fog. Today though it just comes across as pointlessly large and empty.
>>321179006
>I guess so, wasn't there some cute camera side quest?
That's easily the best part of the game, and possibly the best questand attached characterin the series as a whole, even if I think the rest of the game is heavily flawed.
So exactly how pretentious do you need to be to call OoT shit?
>>321181009
0 pretentiousness
100% not a hiveminding faggot.
>>321181009
>>321181071
Saying it's shit is the "hiveminding" thing to do though, since you can't be one of the cool kids on /v/ unless you hate every popular thing.
>>321179553
I really agree with him. It really does feel unpolished and the hit detection it utterly weird, especially compared to the gameboy games. I don't feel it's a particularly stand out game compared to the bulk of the series.
>>321181223
>/v/ is the hivemind
pales in comparison to the entirety of the gaming community.
that, btw, sucks its dick.
>>321180256
>ITT: : ignorant manchildern defend a shitty fucking game because of Muh nostalgia
>>321174824
matchmaking is p bad, ESEA or Faceit is betterish, kinda
I hated OOT. Its really not that good
>>321180346
OoT has the best overworld in the series. It consists of far more than the open field that contains maybe 3% of the game's content, which so many critics seem loath to acknowledge.
It's like considering the ring of land around ALttP's castle moat to be the game's 'overworld' and ignoring everything else.
>>321180813
It felt that way to me back in 1998 when I first played it.
Keep in mind that I had played every single Zelda to this point. And after having played Zelda 2 and ALttP the entirety of OoT feels bland and empty. That said there are some pretty good dungeons towards the end of the game.
>>321181446
Ever thought that maybe the majority is right and that /v/ is just trying to look cool by hating it?
>>321181667
Name one interesting thing you can find in the overworld. The purpose of hyrule field is basically that of a level select screen.
>>321181667
>OoT has the best overworld in the series
>>321181736
>Ever thought that maybe the majority is right
No, and thats why democracy is a joke.
>people who never even played original Zelda, don't give a shit about Zelda or are the biggest casuals since girls don't like Zelda
wow, huge surprise there guys.
So /v/.
Which Zelda game have you guys played the most out of?
As in, how many times have you finish the game, from start to end.
For me, I played
>OoT 3 times
>MM 3 times
>WW 3 times
>LttP 2 times
>Minish cap 2 times
Every other Zelda game, I played them once.
>>321181683
Yeah it was always big and empty, just back then it was also a technical show off. Majora's Mask had a much better overworld because it was deigned with the gameplay first and not the graphics.
>>321181736
>ever thought that the majority is right
no because its a subjective thought. no one is right you moron.
>YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO NOT ENJOY THIS GAME
jesus christ anon.
>>321174824
>Yeah, in some ways it is, but it's the original, brehs.
Uh, no? OOT is just a sub-par version of ALTTP in 3D, Not to say it's bad or anything, but ALTTP was way better.
>>321181983
I've lost count of how many times I have finished OoT and MM. Probably about 20 each.
>>321181983
I can't even count how many times I've finished ALttP, I play it about twice a year and have since it got re-released on the GBA.
I play Zelda 2 every couple years, but its not one I can just sit back and relax with like ALttP.
OoT I've beaten twice. Once normal once master quest.
The rest just once, except the DS games. Fuck those pieces of shit.
>>321174937
plinkyplinkyplinkyplink
>>321181983
>OoT/MQ Twice each. Once for origonals, once for 3DS remakes
>MM 5+ times. More if you count beating every dungeon in full in the 3-day cycle
>WW 4 times
>Minish Cap once
Every other zelda game I've started but never finished due to distractions or other reasons. They are on my backlog.
>TP twice. Waiting for the HD remake to replay it again.
>SS once
>LBW twice
>>321180636
this desu. Nobody ACTUALLY thinks Undertale is better than OoT.
If you seriously do then you more than likely wont ever be taken seriously.
>inb4 muh different opinion
That poll was never about opinion (most undertale discussion in general here on /v/ isn't) it was about pissing people off. Litreally half the people, and subsequently half their botted votes, were to piss off the older generations who adored a genuine masterpiece.
>>321174824
Me too.
>>321181781
Hyrule Field alone? The running man, the great poe souls, a bunch of skultula and heart pieces? I don't even know why you're asking this, as I'm not claiming the area isn't sparse.
>>321181806
What has something better then? The maze like 2D games never have quite the same depth or variety of atmosphere, and things like being able to use 3D space-time to structure things allow it to have greater freedom to hide things, construct spaces in more creative ways and so on. The other 3D games have more of their content concentrated in central town areas and are relatively weaker outside of that.
>>321182462
I still refuse to believe you and the other shitters that claim to have beaten MM without using the song of time.
Its literally impossible to me until one of you chuckelfucks shows proof. I've yet to see a speedrun where it wasn't used.
>>321175485
I wish Shovel Knight had won.
>>321182663
Okay, now compare that content in HF to the see in WW. See the difference? People critisize WW for having a lot of empty space, but it at least had plenty of content.
>>321182690
You have to use it at least once. The rest is possible with the remaining time.
>>321182557
No bullshit I actually think that Undertale was one of the most interesting and enjoyable games I have ever played. Much more so than OoT.
I mean I get why so many people hold on to OoT, it was, for many people, their first real action adventure game. But I started with the NES, so it wasn't at all new or special to me. It was just ALttP with blocky graphics.
>>321182690
I never said I beat the game without using it. I implied I like to play through all 4 dungeons in full in a 3 day span on my 100% file from time to time.
And it's literally impossible to beat the game without using it once. You CAN 100% the game by the end of the second 3 day cycle though.
>>321182987
I'm not even a huge fan of OOT but there are two ways I know you're lying about having started with an NES. Try and guess what they are.
>>321183140
And how do you know that I didn't start gaming with an NES?
>Goron City doesn't repopulate
>can't unfreeze Zora's Domain
>can't even save the game after you beat Ganon and watch the after effects of it such as people moving back from Kakariko to Castle Town and rebuilding the castle
This always bothered me
>>321174910
>caring about gamefags
>>321183218
Goron City does repopulate
>>321182987
OoT improved on everything ALttP was in literally every way.
>>321183021
>You can 100% the game by the end of a second 3 day cycle.
Yeah no shit. but you can't actually beat the entire game any% on one full-day cycle without using the song of time, including after using it against skullkid.
Yes inverted counts, and it is LITERALLY casual mode made for people who are bad and slow to get shit done.
>>321183218
Also in the 7 years Ganondorf rule the lands not much changed outside of Hyrule Town, aside from some new enemies.
>>321182848
>Okay, now compare that content in HF to the see in WW. See the difference?
Wut?
>People critisize WW for having a lot of empty space
Yes, we do, because it takes frocking ages to cross it to get anything done and you have no choice otherwise most of the time. You seldom have to transverse OoT's field on foot if you don't want to anywhere near as often, as you generally have plenty means not to.
>but it at least had plenty of content.
The sea itself? The sea doesn't really have much more variety than OoT's Hyrule Field as its content is very repetitive, and it is more tedious to really explore without relying on the various maps. It really deserves to be criticised for its structure.
>>321183319
Oh yeah
>>321183207
Not that anon but ALttP was definitely SNES not NES. And OoT was far superior to it in every imagineable way. You seem to think that OoT is the nostalgiababy of the Zelda franchise, when in reality it was ALttP.
In objective and measureable standards, OoT is better than ALttP (Because its entire purpose was to improve every aspect of the franchise that ALttP made it known for, and it did so splendidly) and vastly better than Undertale.
>>321183337
>Yeah no shit. but you can't actually beat the entire game any% on one full-day cycle without using the song of time, including after using it against skullkid.
Anon, That's what I just said. Why are you arguing the point to me? I agree with you.
You can't wrong warp or death warp to the moon and outside of the 3DS version, you can't get into Great Bay Temple without Zora Link, which you need the ocarina for, which you have to play the song of time with when you first get it.
>>321183207
Because the NES had Earthbound, first off. Either you completely missed that game or you didn't give it the time of day because Undertale is just a cheap imitation that falls flat on its face in comparison. I could heavily go into why Undertale misses the mark and why its hamfisted narrative folds in on itself, but I don't think that's what we're talking about right now. But even if you have never played Earthbound, if you've been playing games for that long, Undertale shouldn't have impressed you in the slightest.
Secondly, you completely misunderstand the hype around OOT. Sure, there are many people alive today who played it as their first Zelda, but back when it was released even fans of the other Zelda titles were stoked. Ocarina of Time was set to be a huge thing, if you were really gaming during that transition, then you must have forgotten about how 5th gen and fancy polygonal 3D graphics were all the rage. Everything was touted as being bigger, better, newer, shinier, flashier, and games like OOT were staples of the golden age, despite what people think of it these days be it with nostalgia goggles or retrospective criticism.
>>321183337
>OoT improved on everything ALttP was in literally every way.
Mostly agreed, the only exception being the less threatening enemies.
>>321183525
>we
>frocking
WHAT the FUCK
>>321183525
I meant to say compare the content in hyrule field to wind waker's overworld, I made a typo because I'm an idiot
>The sea doesn't really have much more variety than OoT's Hyrule Field
How did hyrule field have variety? It's just an empty level selecter
>content is very repetitive
In what way?
> it takes frocking ages to cross it to get anything done and you have no choice otherwise most of the time
This is least made the world feel big and made the player actually feel as though they were exploring and discovering new things. There is also fast travel if you need it
I enjoyed both OoT and WW. Wasn't bothered by the empty hyrule field or the long ass sailing. Found it quite soothing actually. Healing, even.
>>321183337
>OoT improved on everything ALttP was in literally every way.
Being made into 3D =! improving upon anything. The only thing made better was the combat. Everything else was either in no way better, or was actually made worse.
Slow, lengthy, unskippable dialogue that punishes you for trying to speed through it. Sparse world map with very little to do. Overall lower dungeon and sub weapon quality. And all of these things are why the Zelda games get worse and worse upon every iteration.
The only Zelda post ALttP that is actually outstanding is MM, because it tried and succeeded in breaking the mold.
>>321183571
>Not that anon but ALttP was definitely SNES not NES
Are you smoking crack? Because I know this faggot is >>321183686
>Because the NES had Earthbound, first off
NES had Mother which never made it stateside. Earthbound was SNES you gen Z shitkid.
Also, Super Mario 64 was far more mind blowing than OoT ever was.
I played through OoT for the first time in early high school and wasn't exactly blown away by it. I actually don't even remember a lot from it, and watching friends play it now or hearing people talk about it hardly refreshes my memory. I'm not saying it was bad or anything, it just wasn't as memorable because I hadn't played it when I was younger and had already been exposed to mechanics and concepts that other games had already shown me, even if OoT may have innovated in some of those aspects.
I'm just saying that nostalgia bias is real and you're probably kidding yourself if you think otherwise. I mean, the early Crash Bandicoot games are my absolute shit, but I totally understand when people think otherwise, if it's warranted. I assume we all have some bit of bullshit brand loyalty engrained in us from our childhoods from our first systems. And now a lot of people are here shitposting about it. Tada
>>321183924
>How did hyrule field have variety?
It doesn’t have a ton, but it isn't as excessively sparse as the content that's physically WW's ocean, which relies on sailing around large stretched of flat nothing and/or relying on maps. I'm explicitly ignoring the content on the actual islands here though.
>In what way?
You have your submarines, your treasure hunters, your Moblin outposts etc. scattered around along with sunken chest that you'd only discover with a map. Occasionally you get something like one of the big whirlwinds, which is great, but the bulk of it is quite samey.
>This is least made the world feel big and made the player actually feel as though they were exploring and discovering new things.
Which OoT's field did a fine job of without excessively getting in your way otherwise. I don't disagree here, but it could have been much better structured.
>>321184030
>Slow
YOU were slow maybe
>If you were referring to dialouge
Oh boo hoo you gotta watch interesting and vital story plot points like maybe 2 or 3 times, the rest of the dialouge is entirely skippable by mashing A. And none of those unskippables were lengthy by any standard.
>Sparse world map
The worldmap in OoT is booming with secrets and interactions and every corner serves a purpose, and each were visually admirable and accompanied usually by orchestral masterpieces.
>Overall lower dungeon quality
Thats just flat out wrong and retarded for so many reasons. You're basically ignoring everything that made zelda dungeons great being amplified in exponential scale in OoT in an entirely new fucking dimension.
>Lower weapon quality
See previous rebutal.
you better start brining more than clearly biased, misplaced contrarian opinions to the table of you want to seriously try to tell people OoT wasn't the goat and every game post ALttP is shit.
You're either a contrarian or think every game has to break some sorta "Mold" that doesn't exist.
OoT is a shitty shallow game and only people who played it when they were 6 like it
Compare it to any other open world action RPG and it falls terribly fact, fucking skyrim is a better game than OoT
>>321184030
>unskippable dialogue that punishes you for trying to speed through it
That's a good thing though, teaches those ADD little shits to pay attention for once so they don't get lost.
>Sparse world map with very little to do
Its got more than LTTP
>Overall lower dungeon and sub weapon quality
The dungeons in LTTP are all very similar when compared to OoT, both visually and in terms of puzzles. The sub weapons in LTTP are a lot more gimmicky too, outside of certain enemies requiring to be killed with the bow there really isn't much of a reason to use them when you can just mash B to swing rapidly.
>>321184445
This. I feel the same way about Crash and Spyro too. They're solid fun games but really not that big of deals in the first place and have their share of problems when looked at objectively.
Heck I grew up with Legend of Dragoon and it will always hold a special place in my heart, but I'm not deluded into thinking it's the best game ever. And when looking back on it objectively, it honestly does not hold up well and there are many other JRPGs on the PS1 alone which blow it out of the water.
>>321184527
>I'm explicitly ignoring the content on the actual islands
>Ignoring the actual content
oh
>OoT's field did a fine job
For 1998
>>321184408
Im the dude that said ALttp was definitely SNES and no I don't smoke crack, I sell it.
You might be a customer because you're high if you think ALttP came out on NES and not SNES.
Seriously, quit combing through wikipedia for nerd cred.
>>321184691
Unlike Skyrim at least OOT isn't a buggy mess that needs to be modded just to be playable.
>>321184691
Define shallow
>>321184829
>at least OOT isn't a buggy mess
>>321184691
OoT is not a true RPG, and zelda fans know that.
Comparing it to skyrim is apples and oranges, and skyrim still isn't even better if you do compare them.
>>321184809
I never once said ALttP came out on the NES you crack baby.
>>321184829
>OOT isn't a buggy
Actually it is a buggy mess, it's just you REALLY have to go out of you way to find any bugs that can actually mess up the game, unlike skyrim where doing the quest as intended can screw you over in many aspects.
>>321184030
>The only thing made better was the combat.
That's totally bass-ackwards, that's the one thing OoT failed to actually do better, if mainly for your defence being far too strong.
>Slow, lengthy, unskippable dialogue that punishes you for trying to speed through it.
Extremely minor part of the game unless you're trying to just rush through it and don't care, it's paced beautifully.
>Sparse world map with very little to do.
Absolutely false. OoT has more content than ALttP, more to do, more complex quests and more to find.
>Overall lower dungeon and sub weapon quality.
I can't agree. LttP doesn't have more interesting dungeon design, and it's sub items actively prevents it from begin as challenging as the NES games, while being no more interesting than the tools OoT offers, which make fantastic use of 3D space. This isn't even going into how it utilises music, among other thing to create a fully integrated, immersive experience.
>>321184929
>OoT is not a true RPG
agreed, it's a terrible shallow attempt at an RPG. Glad we agree on that
>>321184932
>I started with the NES and ALttP [Obviously biased nostalgiababy opinion]
Do I need to do the implying thing? Just because you conveniently worded it doesn't mean you're not retarded.
>>321184809
Dude
>>321184932
is right, he never said that. I'd otherwise agree with you, but you are in the wrong here. Read his posts properly.
>>321185012
>attempt at an RPG
They clearly didn't try to make it an RPG
You literally have to be a kid or retarded if you think that OOT doesn't deserve a place in top 3 best games ever. Pretty much nothing comes close to it atmospherewise and the puzzles and dungeon design are peerless.
But then again, what can I expect from neo-/v/ who thinks that graphics are the most important things ever and who unironically like Skyrim, TLOU or Bioshock Infinite.
>>321184975
Exactly.
>>321184408
But Earthbound being released on SNES in the US doesn't mean anything, anon. It's just a port of the NES version of Mother 2. I wasn't going to argue semantics because Earthbound is for all intents and purposes, an NES title.
I was assuming you'd know that if you've been playing vidya for as long as you say, but the Final Fantasy releases wrecked a lot of peoples' chronology so maybe you're not fully to blame.
>>321185012
>Attempt at an RPG
It wasn't made to be an RPG, dipshit. Its an Action adventure game.
I can call doom the worst aventure game in the world cus its all corridors but that doesn't mean its shit.
Keep cherrypicking and stay mad.
>>321185048
Learn to read, crackhead.
>>321178346
>you need fish in bottle to get into dungeon
>no, you cant just go fishing and bring one from there, you need to go to exactly one small place in cave where fishes swim and get one in bottle
>iron boots
>ice you could melt by blue light look just like a part of the background, no you must use blue light exactly there to get iron boots. You dont even have a clue you must look in ice cavern, navi says otherwise
>grappling hook
>to get it you must push grave, however you have no idea you could push grave, licking pixels again
Few reasons why this sucks and is really archaic from today perspective. When i play a game i want to beat a game, not creator's imagination
Zelda games are terrible, I find...
The combat is atrocious and there is simply no depth to them, or indeed any Nintendo game for that matter. They're all just hollow experiences. How can you compare The Witcher to this Zelda tripe?
>>321185146
>atmospherewise and the puzzles and dungeon design
It isn't even the best in it's own series at that
>>321174824
OOT is one of the biggest meme games. It's hip to like it, every normie LOVES OOT because Reddit says so. The game isn't that good, it's not even in the top three of best Zelda games.
>>321176915
How is the only game that had tumblr users reblog "VOTE FOR UNDERTALE" shit and voting from multiple devices winning a surprise to anyone? It isn't
>>321185259
>judging a zelda game on combat
>it thinks that the witcher is good even though it can't live without combat with 'depth'
wow
>>321185063
See
>>321185048
He said he started with the NES and then transitioned into his poorly based opinion on ALttP,
You know damn well how that can be misconstrued, and I refuse to argue over semantics.
Dudes still retarded as fuck or knows dick-all about videogame quality if he sincerely thinks SM64 and ALttP are better games than OoT.
>>321184798
>oh
Well, what do you want me to do then? Of course I have to ignore that, as we're comparing hub against hub after all. Otherwise, in order for the comparison to make sense, I'd also include the rest of OoT's overworld, but since you aren't doing that, I'm not either.
>For 1998
And? It could have been better, but it's not like it has major issues. It's the appropriate size for what it's trying to achieve and I don't think there's much to gain by making it much bigger or smaller. Some additional content could have been added, but it's not like the game isn't Elder Scrolls purely because of technology.
>>321185093
>can "level up" your character
>can find new equipment and weapons
>can use different armour
>can use potions to heal
>you assume the role of link undertaking a quest
These are all elements traditionally found in RPGs, it's an action RPG, albeit a bad one. The intention was clearly there they just couldn't pull it off. Sorry to trigger you by pointing out obvious flaws in your favourite nostalgia bait game
>>321185248
You are literally stupid. Those aren't even puzzles, just moments when playing a game where you actually have to think for yourself instead of the game telling you exactly what to do and where to do it. Idiots like you are why every game these days is loaded with tutorials.
>>321185146
TP is better than OoT in every respect
>>321185259
>there is simply no depth to them
Still more depth than a series infamous for plagiarism.
>growing up during the 8 and 16 bit era
>playing the fuck out of zelda 1 and 2
>being 10 when a link to the past comes out
>Playing it for the first time
Damn that felt good.
>>321185248
>Can only get fish at X
Man you were bad at OoT
>Didn't see the clearly glaring difference in the ice
really bad
>Had no idea you could push a grave
Someone didn't talk to dampy, and again, is super bad at games.
>>321185159
If anything, the bugs only add to the game. It's exceptionally clean on a naive playthrough, the bugs just increase the fun you can have if you know about them.
the witcher shits all over zelda.
nintendo games are primarily for children anyway. they cant be made so complex or the kids would get bored.
