>it's the most popular game on PC despite being horribly designed
how?
It's...fun?
When you put 10's of millions into marketing, you can pay to have hype idiots buy into.
"Gamers" have low standards and throw money at things they're taught to throw money at.
>>321171065
1. Easy to pick up
2. Sucks you in with grinding
3. Collecing aspect through skins/heroes
4.insane amounts of advertising money
Competitively it shouldnt have a community because of how simple the gameplay is. LOL is arts distilled. It's like putting water in your already black coffee
honest answer? children
>>321171065
Chinks and Gooks will eat up any piece of shit as long as it has a lot of grinding and it's fun with friends.
No other game has managed to pull this off
>>321171065
>they haven't played it, so they shit on it because it's popular and they're too autistic to play competitive games
Anyone that talks shit about this game is always either a dotard or an autist, not much difference there though
>>321172290
I started moba's with LoL and moved to Dota 2 because the game model felt alot more free with all the heroes auto unlocked
Also LoL is filled with some of the absolute worst people you could hope to never meet on the internet, at least dota has russians that sound funny when they are insulting you
It's fun
>>321171147
Why would /v/ play anythingfun?
>>321171065
Don't worry. It's hemorrhaging players. Notice how Riot stopped boasting about the games growth and have stopped giving those statistics out.
It should start dying in the next few years.
>>321171065
The game itself is fun but the community is pure cancer. "omg you all suck Im da best yasuo adc i report u all xD"
I don't get how people enjoy this shit
it's basically competitive MMO combat
it's not fun.
I recently started playing after being a skeptic for years. I actually enjoy playing it. As people said above, it's fun. It's a simple game with simple objectives, but each game can play drastically different depending on the champion combination of both teams of 5.
It's also fun to watch the toxicity of the community and other players throwing a shit-fit mid-game by blaming others.
It's free to play, it's densely populated, at the best of times it's fun and makes you feel like you have skill when you beat out the idiotic competition--why wouldn't you play it?
You don't even have to pay a fucking penny, you earn in-game currency by simply playing to unlock new champions. If you make a good circle of friends, people will gift you skins.
The game is a solid 7/10.
>>321171065
i dunno why its more popular than dota.
skills on dota are just way more original.
i think it's because league is easier to understand and it's ligher than dota.
>>321172478
Riot's stance on the "toxicity" problem has made things worse. Now people won't outright tell you to kill yourself, they will passive aggressively jab at you and put you in situations where your champ will die.
>>321172998
>You don't even have to pay a fucking penny, you earn in-game currency by simply playing to unlock new champions.
It will take you at least 5000 hours to unlock all the champions for free. So while it's technically F2P it pushes you heavily to cough up the cash.
>>321171987
Anything gets a competitive community, provided it's halfway designed for it and there's a large enough fanbase.
Only reason CoD didn't was that they insisted on throwing in a new ruleset every year.
>>321173146
there is no reason to buy heroes since they let you play with new ones every week. just buy the ones you like the most. only fags main heroes.
the runes are the biggest bullshit tho. probably another reason lol is more popular than dota, the accumulative progress. every single fucking game on the planet now has this.
>>321172998
Dota 2 is everything you listed, but all the heroes are free besides mabye the "simple" part but you don't have to worry about losing half of your winnings because you lost, you just don't worry about winnings at all
>>321173305
except if all you care about is IP you can just play against beginner bots and you'll get your winnings all the same
I don't like the competitive aspect of it. I think games should just be about fucking around and having fun. esp. in a multiplayer game.
>>321173302
>there is no reason to buy heroes since they let you play with new ones every week.
You can't use free ones in ranked, and if you want to try a champion before you buy them you're shit out of luck until they're on rotation.
Runes are outdated horseshit that adds even more grind to the game.
>>321172701
Most of /v/ probably does. It's just the vocal minority spouting out "durr it's shit because it's popular hurr look at how special my opinion is, le Dota le assfaggots" constantly in every possible situation because they are so butthurt
>>321173146
It won't take long to accumulate enough IP to purchase: 1 jungler, 1 top-laner, 1 mid-laner, 1 support and 1 ADC. There is no need to purchase any other champions if you have one of each role, you can comfortably play the game from there.
Even if your one and only champ gets banned in draft and you can't go top with say, Cho'gath, you can go for an alternate role and play him as if he were a support.
Before you know it, you're swimming in IP and you can buy more champs if you want.
The porn
>>321173796
You need 15 Champs to play ranked
>>321171065
It's designed to keep you in rather than entertain you. I play occasionally because my friends have given their souls to the game. Their ranked system is designed to try and lock you in place forever and their update model is poison, a constant cycle of intentional unbalancing to keep people cycling through new champions and skins to keep up with their artificial "meta" which is actually a marketing too.
Fucking Tencent.
>>321173412
Yes I used to play dominion just for fun a long time ago but then it died and got filled with moneybots because it wasn't pve or competitive enough apparantely.
>>321173936
By summoner level 15-17, you'll have amassed 15 champions. A lot of them are cheap as hell, even without sales. By level 30 when you're ready for ranked, you'll definitely have 15+ champs unless the player found a way to waste their IP on trivial shit for so long.
By which point once you have 15 champs, you spend whatever IP you like on runes.
>>321174110
Maybe if you buy the 450 ip champs. But if you buy the good ones, no way will you have enough
>>321171065
>normies prefer to play this slow ass grind fest over a quick game in some FPS
Have I jumped through time and space again?
>>321174209
>good ones,
lmao
only bitches say this kind of thing.
usually the most OP ones are the ones that were just out and they tend to be balanced after a while.
>>321174216
Name me a good, fast, modern FPS
>>321174209
Sales mate, sales. And the cheaper champions are also good picks, it's not like you're playing urgot when you pick up Annie, Garen or Ashe. At any rate, I have over 15 champions all of which I paid with IP, a lot of them were either on sale or outright in the 3000 - 4000 margin. If you consistently play in games that are challenging and last 50+ minutes you end up earning 200~ IP per game. It's totally doable.
Seriously, anyone ITT can boot up LoL as a first-timer and qualify for ranked without spending a penny.
>1 faggot is all it takes to ruin an entire game.
>Individual performance has no bearing on ELO loss/gain
>Same 5 roles to choose from on one and only map.
>Nerfs/Buffs every month to keep faggots cleaning on to abuse shit.
>2 week ban for calling someone an asshole
>Someone can leave and put your team at an extreme disadvantage with not even a Bot to take their place
>Loss the same amount of ELO for a match a teammate left
>Entire account can be disabled just for BM
>Community of 12 year olds that try to bait you to call them faggots so they can report you.
>20 minutes of the game is auto-attacking brainless monsters.
>No sandbox, no true custom mode, no community servers
Tell me how CSGO isnt objectively superior in every way to LoL.
the people who play it have horribly designed non-brains
>>321172998
>toxicity
>community
Buzzwords, pls.
>>321174421
Normies don't play good games, that's why they play ASSFAGGOTS and literal flash games on their phones.
>>321174482
>No sandbox, no true custom mode, no community servers
someone hasn't opened the server list
>>321174528
How does that detract from my statement? How the fuck can the words 'toxicity' and 'community' be a buzzword? The fuck?
>>321174575
someone didnt read the post.
>>321174482
What a bunch of lies and misinformation. I bet you're a scrub.
>>321173796
How fucking new are you to the game?
You don't fuck up other peoples experiences by going Cho'Gath support, you will get your shit kicked in by any decent support on a champion made for the role.
Some great champions (like Lucian), are 6300. You earn around 89 IP for a win. 53 IP for a loss. That's around 70 games if you won them all. Averaging at 30 minutes a game thats around 35 hours for ONE fucking champion.
>>321174350
Yeah, there are some good 450 IP champions, however they aren't exactly the strongest champions right now. Champions like Fiora, Renekton, Thresh, Blitzcrank, Syndra etc etc will all take over 10 hours of IP grinding to purchase.
>>321174624
what parts are lies, riot shill?
>>321174482
oh fuck is csgo a moba now?
>>321174672
Fuck off.
>>321174708
thats what i thought, kill yourself.
>>321174646
>not going nonmeta supports
Get a load of this guy
>>321174546
Still waiting
>>321174482
i thought you were talking about CS:GO for a second, lol
but yeah, mobas are garbage ever since muh complex e-sports
>>321174646
>You don't fuck up other peoples experiences by going Cho'Gath support
Cho'Gath--while not primarily a support--can go support. I never said he was optimal for this role, but it's doable. I gave an example where even if you have a specific skill-set and you lose your top lane, you can opt for a different role with the same champion as opposed to grinding to buy a new one.
Cho'Gath has a pop-up, a silence, and a low cooldown ult. He's tanky and he can sponge damage while the ADC destroys the opponent. He's not a perfect support choice, but he can play support.
Whether or not he ruins the ADC's experience is down to the skill of the Cho'Gath.
>>321174421
Tribes Ascend.
>>321175019
Even in its heyday it was P2W. Try again
>>321174708
Shilling detected
>>321175107
confirmed for never having played in it's hayday
>call of duty
>fast paced gaming
>little to no grinding required
>everyone is laughing and giggling for shitz on mic
>actually fun
>hated by many people
>league of legends
>slow and boring gameplay
>30 to 40 hours to unlock a SINGLE champion
>manchildren or literal children being autistic in chat and teamspeak
>not fun at all
>loved by many people
>>321175107
There's been an update though and they've redone some shit and are currently trying to rebalance it.
>>321175237
League of Legends has a ton of porn.
Porn can unite eveybody.
lel is a pretty terrible game. the imbalance is almost comical and the team strategy aspect is virtually non existent. on top of that the twitch culture that permeates throughout the game is cancer. it leaks underage cancer into 4chan too. also, the community represents millennials to the core. it's filled with the softest pussies i've ever seen in a game that can't handle a little trash talk. instead you get this passive aggressive attitude and sarcastic because all these little babbys are afraid to say what they mean.
>>321175407
damn, you won this time anon
>>321175407
/thread
>>321171065
Poorfags and third world shitters.
Teenager containment.
Not much more to it than that.
>>321175407
What a revolutionary idea
Its good and fun with friends
>>321175407
It all makes sense
>>321173305
Dota2 is russians and the same champion with slight tweaks
>>321172853
>hemorrhaging players.
Found the delusional Dotard.
Your shit game is the dying one.
>>321171065
Addiction. I was seriously addicted to League for about two months. I just kept playing even though I didn't enjoy the experience at all. Rampant feeders, flat out idiots, champ select trolls, AFKs every second game, and "mid or feed".
Basically I kept playing because my friends were playing, and because I was convinced I was going to make it out of Plat and into Diamond [chasing the dragon behaviour desu].
Finally, I managed to force myself to quit after the Juggernaut update where I realised I wasn't going to get to challenger and the game wasn't worth the awful company making it, horrible community, and hours of wasted time.
>>321175237
Oh that's funny because I barely have 50 hours of total play time so far and I have over 10 champions via IP.
Wow. I must be a special exception.
The fact that League of Legends is a toxic community is a meme. It' really isn't. Or, at least, it's not worse than the average communitty in any other game.
Go, try it. Get on a CS:GO match, a Dota match, WoW BG or any game with a competitive enviroment and see how people behaves in the chat.
The only reason it seems they are worse in LoL is because you're stuck ina match for several minutes until you can do something else. So if someone fuck up they have to deal with it and most people can't behave properly during that time. Also you can't leave, and in most of other games you can, and with little to no punishment for doing so.
>>321176409
you're fucking retarded and you really don't get it at all, lolbabby
the community is shit because of the tribunal and the culture of hurt fee fees. you can get reported for anything and i've been chat restricted for only saying literally only four lines of text. it's a game for pussy ass millennials that use the system to shield themselves from anything that might make them upset
>>321176737
>the tribunal
that shit was removed years ago, bro. And it's all about behaving like a non-retard every now and then. I've trashtalked, leaved games and done other things and I've never been banned. I just don't do it every fucking game I play, just some specific games. Also learn how to insult. Spouting "faggot, shit, bitch, noob" and other 12yo memewords whenever you're pissed is s free ticket to BannedVille.
>>321171065
>Can't connect for the first 5 minutes because reasons.
>Enemy gets a free lane and is allowed to stomp all over our jungler.
>"GG EZ"
>Close 40 minute game.
>Both teams trading and being equally shit.
>"GG EZ"
>Enemy gets carried.
>"GG EZ"
If anything makes me hate that game it's this.
>>321171147
I played this game over 100 hours and never got to the fun part.
>>321176737
I shit talk a ton in normals, never even had a warning, maybe you shouldn't act like a massive autist and flame every single player in the game.
>>321174646
every champ is the same shit m8. you are just bad.
>>321171065
>it's the most popular game
Has this ever been proven or are people just still taking Riot's word for it?
>>321176885
nope, just called someone trash and told them to uninstall. no expletives
you're also 100% underage you fucking faggot lolbabby
>>321171987
>simplicity dictate a game should be competitive or not
full retard
>inb4 claiming it is easy as shit
then how come i dont see /v/ posters playing for that 1 million prize?
>>321174423
>Urgot
>bad
I love when people underestimate him only make the tears more delicius
>>321177232
>"just" called someone trash and told them to uninstall
Go to a nearby park, find a group of people you don't know playing basketball or football or whatever. Ask them if you can join. Play with them and if you lose, call them faggots, useless and that they should stop playing this game if they know shit.
Let's see if they allow you to play another match.
The real question is why does anyone play lol since dota 2 came out?
>>321177667
There's a difference between the internet and real life, anon.
>>321177186
If you go to Twitch, that does seem to be the case.
>>321177749
For my the turnrate is a massive letdown
>>321177749
No retarded mechanics such as denying.
>>321177789
I don't see why you should change the way you talk to people IRL and on the itnernet when playing a game. Nobody says you should get along with everyone, but that doesn't mean you can just shout and yell whenever something bad happens.
you're playing with other people, not playign alone or single-player.
>>321177789
Yeah, no one can pop you in the mouth on the internet so you act like a piece of shit for no reason.
>>321177991
>crying because you can't last hit for shit
>>321171065
so we should play Dota 2 where there's no innovation cuz it aimed at " hardcore fans ". The epitome of retardation.
>>321178254
What exactly is innovative about lol besides the innovative idea to charge money for characters?
>>321177892
You seem to be forgetting all the cases of viewerbots, Twitch means shit.
>>321171065
Long autistic post incoming.
I think the way its advertised via esports has a big role in its popularity. Hearthstone's popularity made it even more clear to me. Kid's love to be just like the "pros" they see on youtube and twitch. There are even some retarded manchildren who waste all of their time grinding in these games to chase an illusion created by Riot/Blizzard that they can actually go somewhere. No matter how much time you spend grinding you will never be like the pros because the pros are nothing more than marketing tools. They aren't any better at the game than the average player (this is especially true for hearthstone) but they are where they are in the pro scene because of their notoriety. A.k.a "E-fame"
If you haven't noticed, Blizzard lately has been all about churning out F2P games and forcing esports for them because they see what has been happening with LoL.
>>321178254
>aimed at hardcore fans
What is this even supposed to mean? I've never seen marketing for Dota 2 except 1 or 2 days on the Steam store page during the finals.
>>321178002
get used to it bitch boy
>>321178504
He thinks dumbing down the game and forcing a stale meta every season by punishing players who act outside of Riot induced metas is equivalent to a naturally community-driven evolving game (players don't find out what the meta is. Riot tells them what it should be and nerfs everything else)
>>321171065
it's simple, OP
>>321179000
No need to, apparently I'm not the one getting banned.
Low barrier to entry, freemium model encourages getting hooked before spending starts, the esports focus means you feel badass for playing it even if you're a shitter, marketing up the ass.
>>321178002
if someone is a shit head they will get trashed talked in real life. do you even go outside, lolbabby? besides your apehoop analogy was terrible. i can avoid shit heads in real life. i have to deal with them in lel.
>>321171065
Same reason CoD is king of consoles.
>>321179285
>Totally
Really stretching it to get that T in there, huh?
>>321177038
>I played this game over 100 hours
> and never got to the fun part.
You know how fucking retarded that sounds, right?
>>321179285
>obnoxious hackers in dota
FUCKING KEK
this guy didnt even play dota, and if he did, he was so absolutely terrible, he thought his enemies where hackers, his 1 match was one sided (of course its one sided when youre bad) and calls his teammates annoying for leaving him to his luck after he ruined their game
>instead, he plays and loves league of legends, with actual hackers, and imbalanced matches in wich you give 2 kills to the meta hero and you lost
i fell for the bait, but god damn whoever did this picture is fucking retarded
>Play league with bros
>Everyone becomes a retarded rampaging nigger.
>Play HoTS with bros
>We laugh and have fun even when its a loss.
League is designed to piss you off as there is no way to remove power from the enemy team once they have an advantage. Fucking glad i quit, wish my roommate would too.
>>321180450
This was back in the WC3 days of Dota, and this picture replaced the biggest Dota site back in the day in a attempt to steal users
>>321180584
maybe you shouldnt be friends with niggers
>>321178901
Yeah trying to go pro in hearthstone is a miserable experience. You spend all your time grinding away hoping to hit a lucky win streak so you can get those blizzcon points. In the end only a select few lucky people can make it and odds are it's not you.
>>321171065
I like the characters, they make my penis happy.
And game is fun with friends, you DO have friends right?
>>321171065
I think a lot of it is the whole "playing it because other people are playing it" deal. I feel as though I was also trapped in this "chasing the dragon" cycle as another anon put it as well, and the game has brought me untold frustration with me only enjoying a very tiny number of games. It didn't help that I'm pretty shit at League altogether (I think I've had far more success in my brief time playing DotA than I've ever had in League) and I crashed and burned trying to climb last season. I tried to take serious steps to improve but the game is tedious as fuck, frustrating, and very unrewarding. Going back to simply punching people and getting punched in fighters has dramatically improved my mental state.
>>321174216
>People prefer to play MOBAs over fighting games
>People insist that MOBAs are more spectator friendly than fighting games
This shit drives me up a fucking wall
>>321171987
Can someone explain how LoL is grind? When I think grind I think having to do the same shit over and over in an MMO that doesn't progress you forward but must be done to grow your character.
With league you get points by playing the main game. The best way to get points without spending money is by playing the whole fucking game and not some shitty side quest. When I hear people bitch about grind its like a person getting upset that you can only gain more chess money through chess.
>>321180754
Maybe league should have some counter play that isnt just stacking more power as all the fucking items are.
>>321171065
Because it's a super casual game and people feel like they can't leave once they start investing money in skins, rune pages, and heroes.
>>321181196
>game is fun with friends
This game is the reason why I lost all my friends.
League is very friendly with it's system requirements. Even the cheapest computers you can buy today can run the game with no problems.
PC has the largest install base, so there are plenty of people who can play the game.
>>321181573
agreed, fuck leage
but really, dump your nigger friend
>>321181829
I'm sorry you're such a shit person.
>>321174423
Only time I play this game anymore is for co op win of day to try a champ.
Even in that mode which gives lowered IP its 200 a game. This makes 1400IP a week for an auto win.
Assuming a person is actually into this game and gets their win of the day bonus (150IP). It should be easy enough to earn 2k-3k IP a week simply by playing your favorite game mode. Add in that champ releases are about every month 1/2 and the excuse of need money to buy fav champ is weak.
Runes are another story but don't affect game play much until you're in the diamond/plat brackets where people aren't as retarded. But if you managed to get that far, then you've probably picked up 10k-20k+ IP already.
>>321174482
CSGO has about the same amount of underage idiots, can be ruined by one teammate (normally 2 since they duo and cant get kicked) and ELO is gained by win/loss/MVP instead of your KD.
Whenever /v/ discusses LoL I just imagine bronzes flaming each other in game. You all seem like you're fucking shit at League
>>321183023
I don't see why anyone would be proud to be good at a shit game tbqh.
>>321181548
>Can someone explain how LoL is grind?
>runes
>champions
>mastery
you lack all of them without grinding
Why would anyone play lol over Dota?
>>321183830
It's more simple.
It's more popular.
It has more plot.
It's not filled with Russians, HueHues, etc.
>>321183830
It's easier and you can buy super epic skins to show your friends.
It is very well designed. They took the strong gameplay from previous types of games, then smartly reworked things such as permanent stealth, passive abilities, and removed the vast majority of RNG in abilities.
They have the best matchmaking system by far, matching each player individually agaisnt another withing 10 MMR, due to the large playerbase.
They also designed it to be the most action oriented, focusing on skill shot abilities, and animation reset abilities, allowing players very high skill ceilings.
They lowered the reliance on counter picks, and general strategic options, in favor of a focused metagame, where every matchup can be at worst a 55% winrate. You won't see trilanes, or supports purely supporting the team out of lane, but you will see 5 kills in 10 minutes,
Most importantly, there is a large skill ceiling, even with teams playing 12 hours a day, for 4 years. A few teams are 40% better than others, with one being 60% than the second place. This applies at the individual level as well. You need talent and dedication to get ahead at this point.
>>321181548
because the act of playing the game isnt fun, it is just mindless repetition
>>321174209
Annie is a cheap champ and is op as fuck. Morgana, Garen, Ashe and a lot of other cheap champs are viable as well.
>>321171987
>it shouldnt have a community because of how simple the gameplay is.
what is Go?
When is the japanese patch being released? I might pick this game up at that point, need a new game because hearthstone meta is boring as fuck atm
>>321185041
>founder of Rito Gaems is same guy who made big rigs: over the road racing
>well designed
get the fuck out
>>321175871
10 4800/6300 champions?
Does someone with a lot of influence have to do a PSA on why we shouldn't give this cancerous game any time or money?
This is China people, wake up and support American companies like valve
You can compare the 2 games like you can compare anything China creates over the US
they try and make a carbon copy of our shit, and then resell
STOP GIVING LEAGUE YOUR $
save it and play dota - you can get free unique items/sets by just playing the game
>>321181548
>>321183762
>>321185548
also the calculation for points and xp youre getting is determined by win or lose and match time. so someone could go 0-14 and get as much as you.
>>321186125
>le big rigs is bad meme
>>>/avgn/
>>321186509
I support companies that make good games. And dota is not good.
>>321185041
>you will see 5 kills in 10 minutes
are you retarded? lol has less kills per minuted- than dota.
>>321187242
how does it not meet your standards?
>>321175827
no yours is
>>321171065
Proof that mustards have shit taste.
>>321171065
>tfw 3000 hours played across 2 accounts
>only plat 5
Elo hell is real, fuck the nay sayers. I have most gold earned every single fucking match but the games I lose is because of an AFK or intentional feeder. Games I win because that person is on their team.
So glad I've switched to Dota 2, if I am snowballing I can actually walk around and carry my team, no matter how bad they might be.
>>321188732
>Start playing in S3
>Diamond 5
Sound like you should get gud
>>321188961
Yeah maybe my choice of champions was shit. I played a lot of Vayne, Darius and Zed and Vi.
>>321189198
Sound fairly ok to me
Actually, I think any champ is fine if you're confortable with it, I got to plat playing Heimer and to diam playing Viktor
But right now I dont understand how people can complain about lack of snowball since games barely last more than 20m and getting a first blood on your lane opponent usually mean you're gonna stomp the entire fucking game
>>321171065
Asians
maybe because its not horribly designed? you just hate it because its popular.
>>321171065
>despite being horribly designed
It is very, very well designed.
Your hateboner doesn't contradict this, sorry.
The game is intuitive, has like 4 different skinner boxes working at the same time, makes you get friends into it, it's easy to pick up, it has short and long matches, the design caters to pretty much everybody, the patches are frequent...
There is plenty of shit that can be said about riot or lol, but that it's poorly designed is not one of them, not by far.
It was free at a time none of the others were which let it build a small community that was rather vocal and because it was easy to get into it was easy to grow the community. Now lol survives on the community it slowly built up. It doesn't need to be good people will play it to play with friends
Is it me or has the community got worst over the last couple of months?
Like holy shit. Toxicity isn't the problem this has always been here, but just outright feeding and leaving games on purpose. People could talk shit all they want and still play the damn game, but now it most players just feel like ruining everybody's game. It's either they die one else and say some shit like "Fuck jg ima feed" and actually do, or blames team for his death and just leaves game. Also a lot of AFKs lately as well. I'm curious is anyone having problems?
>>321189901
>game is intuitive
yeah, nah
>>321171065
80% of the playerbase is only in it because it's free. If it was a 60$ retail game, it would have around twice as much players as SCII in its prime because it's easier to play. But for now, people mostly play it because it's free, easy and can seemingly run at the very least acceptably on a toaster.
>started playing dota 2 because it looks interesting
>friend and his wife are massive lol fags
>see that I started playing
>"LOL DUDE DOTA SUCKS ITS JUST A CHEAP RIP OFF OF LOL. RIOT IS WAY BETTER AND TRUE TO THEIR FANS THAN VALVE, PLAY LEAGUE INSTEAD"
mfw I have no face
>>321190276
I think it's because in the past couple of months th game has taken a pretty different direction to previous seasons.
Instead of games being 30-40 min, it's basically become one sided ff20 stomps with no way to come back. All the items and balance changes has made snowballing ridiculous.
>everyone saying its easier than dota
>try it out after 1700 hours in dota
>do okay when supporting with friends
>get my shit wrecked when i try to carry
>uninstall after getting to Level 17 on my account
easier my assor maybe it's because i'm just retarded
>>321171147
Since 5.20 no
>>321190426
hahaha, this
any game that requires algebra to figure out ideal courses ofvaction is not intuitive
it becones intuitive yo autists whovmemorize damage formulas and matchups and ciunterpicks and team comp and apm and how matchups change as.those algebbraic damage.equatiins change...
nothing insuitive about it
>>321191149
they're both so fundamentally different you can't just apply your skills from one game to another and expect to do well.
Dota 2 is about being a man and going in hard or splitpushing like a beast, LoL is about sitting back waiting for your enemy to chimp out.
>>321175801
>the same champions with slight tweaks
anon pls, there's a fundamental difference in how characters in Dota play vs. League. Things like a lack of AP scaling, much more active items, abilities that generally create much larger effects (2 second stuns being common in Dota while incredibly rare in League for instance), heroes with radical mechanics that would be considered gamebreaking in League (Rubick's spellsteal, Silencer permanently stealing stats and his map wide silence, Riki's permanent invisibility, etc.)
Has there ever been a smugger fanbase in gaming? You can't bring up any game without some LoLfag saying "fucking RNG, where's the complex mechanics?"
Perhaps that's just the fans I've encounted
>>321171065
>horribly designed
nice one, op.
>>321189198
>Those champs
Besides VI you sound like cancer.
>>321177038
I played over 2k hours and still find it fun.
>>321177325
youre a fucking faggot if you think this comparable to other "esports" out there in the slightest
>>321192050
Actually I don't think it would be a bad idea to introduce some of the more crazy mechanics from dota 2 into league, like spell steal. Or include some of the crazy powerful ultimates like Ember Spirit's ult, or King Leoric's passive from HotS.
They might not fit in very well with the balance but at least it's something different.
>>321178254
Yeah, I need a game where I have to pay for my heroes cause that's true innovation.
>>321171065
you can install this on literially anything, even if you just barely meet the requirements the animations are all fluid.
>>321192439
> Competitive
> Makes money
How is it not comparable? What else does it need?
>>321191149
>level 17
i thought you were already far behind others because you get a full rune page (faggot buffs) at 30
never played this game
>>321191392
>moba
>apm
this is my favorite meme. Plants vs Zombies has more apm than this shit
>>321192629
You do realize if he played with people he would be match around with around level 17 so like in the 15-20 range?
>>321192480
Agreed, the crazy abilities of items and heroes in Dota 2 is what made me switch from League to that (well, and League's champion purchasing system). I'm not too into HotS but I respect the cool stuff they do with it, League just seems to have stagnated for years with new character design.
>Dota players trying to proselytize in this thread
lmao
>>321192339
Vi is boring as fuck too
>>321192747
so at 1 second in the game he would have an advantage over others already
that doesnt sound like pay2win
>>321192981
Yeah but she isn't cancer like the other characters he listed.
>>321192627
skill
>everyone says league is super casual and one of the easiest games ever made
>try playing it
>there's like 200 characters all with 4 different abillites
>1000 different items
how do normies like this? there's way too much shit to memorize
>>321193218
The difficulty in MOBAs comes from memorizing the abilities of the cast of characters, part of a phenomenon known as "burden of knowledge"
>>321193218
if thats your first experience with something other than a moba game it gets that complex title
kinda like how people think dark souls is hard
>>321193407
The only reason dark souls is considered difficult is because the game goes out of its way to obfuscate basic mechanics. If you actually read an FAQ that adequately explains the basic mechanics of the game is pretty average difficulty for a japanese action game.
>>321182139
Except no because you are retarded. Everything affects your elo. If you kill somebody of a higher elo than you he loses a lot of elo and you gain a lot of elo and vice versa, deaths reduce your elo, mvp only increases the ammount of elo you get so if you have 4 mvp and your mates have 0 you'll get way more than them. Also you can literally promote from ties and losses. I only managed on ties. Aceing is a lot easier than in lol, with kill time being shorter and having alot of tools at your disposition besides facerolling 4 keys. If somebody leaved you can too after 5 mins without penalty. Elo is awarded and taken at the end of individual rounds so you only lose/gain what you did so far.
Comment again bitch if you want more knowledge dropped on you. When I picked up csgo I managed to pull off more plays in a few months than years of lol simply because if you are good enough in solo q, your team is irrelevant.
>>321193883
>when your team wins the match and they start talking shit to the losers even though you carried their dumb asses
every time
>>321193218
Hard at first but then you see certain champs a lot then you know what to do. Like I like to use the mage class heroes like Xerath and others and against a Yasuo I know how to bait his windwall. After it's down I know he can't use it for like 10 seconds so I know when to go ham on him.
>playing bot lane
>leona support decides to suicide into them without any ping or information, with no wards up so no idea where their jungler is, and right inside their minion wave
>I'm standing back just fuming because now their adc can snowball off of that and is a level ahead with BF sword
>didn't even bother healing because that leona died instantly in their minions
>leona just pinging me and saying in /all chat "report him for troll and afk adc"
>call him a fucking retard and tell him to uninstall
>get a 75 chat ban and 35 game rank restriction
Yeah, nah, what a shitty game. If my teammates are crap in dota 2 it doesn't matter as hard, they can still get carried.
>>321193883
Not him, but ELO is based off of 2 factors, rounds won and mvp stars. It also seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how ELO works.
The scoring treats each competitive match like a grand chess tournament. Each round is treated like an individual game. When ELO points are won, they are divided among the team in such a fashion that the MVP receives something like half of the points while the rest are evenly divided among the remainder of the team.
Then, consider the actual idea of ELO. Let's say you have 2 teams, one with 1200 ELO and one with 800 ELO. Since the system considers the 800 team more likely to lose, for every win, they incur a greater amount of points than if the 1200 team were to win. So whereas the 1200 team would win, say, 50 points per match, the 800 team would win 100 points per match. By considering the way ELO works, it becomes apparent that promotions are possible from losses and deranking is possible from winning.
Furthermore, if you consider a match where 1 person abandons, the ELO score of that team decreases considerably, by roughly 20%. This, compounded by the fact that the points are now only divided between 4 people, makes ranking up easier for each round won. After all, a 4 v 5 scenario is heavily in favor of the 5. In addition, each round loss results in less ELO lost.
The calculations necessary for k/d based ELO would be ridiculous, and the fact of the matter is that if it were based that way, there wouldn't be so much evidence to contrary.
>>321183023
is anyone bronze anymore? pretty sure plat is the new bronze.
>>321171065
The new generation of gamers don't care about quality just pretty looking skins
Shit game
With a fucking awful community
Probably the worst
>>321184342
>It has more plot.
Maybe back in Season 2, now lore is a fucking joke, check Illaoi or Bard for example.
>>321196081
i was reading the lore just recently and it was some cringe worthy shit
i read the lore stories between caitlyn, vi and all other relevant ones and it was just fucking dreadful. it was like something a 6th grader would write
>>321194898
But i agree with you on almost everything. How do you else explain elo being awarded/taken at the end of every round, other than the exchanges between players. It wouldn't even be fair if say 4 of your m8s die,then you clutchv4, only to get killed and lose just as much as your team. I agree that mvp boosts elo gains considerably, but those points have to come from somewhere
This game is really an astounding example of "popular because it's popular". While there are merits to the game and there are reasons it's popular, it's not as if the mechanics are so amazingly built that it warrants widespread love, and it's certainly not so brilliantly balanced as to imply the game is a masterpiece. The music is extremely flavorless and boring, the designs are a mishmash of nonsense (though I'll admit, a good number of them are easily recognizable), and there's virtually zero writing to speak of. Not to mention the combat mechanics are legitimately single-character RTS mechanics with a lot of "Spells" on your one character, no base-building, or anything else. It's brainless, easy on your computer, and at least three of your friends are playing it right now, and you'd rather be social than just play your own game alone, right? Hell, even that one cute asian girl you talked to that one time in Mathematics is playing it right now.
>>321194898
Elo isnt an anagram anon. it's someone's name (the person who invented the rating system)
>>321197861
Sorry i meant acronym
>>321175827
At least it isn't the Star Craft community.
I wish 2 never came out.
>>321193658
So Dota is the Dark Souls of MOBAs
>>321199464
i only felt that way about darksouls 2. how is anyone supposed to know ADP affected your i-frames on the game's release?
I thought LoL was the bottom of the barrel until this shit was made. Now I understand why LoL is popular.
i think LoL as of now is an honestly good game
it didnt become passable until like mid-2013, and was dogshit before then
too bad my MOBA mojo has run out; they could add anything and i still couldnt shake the boredom
I am a man of simple tastes.
I joined because of monster girls.
I am staying because of monster girls.
As long as I'm supplied those I'll stay, that and my casual as fuck friends and co-workers sort of play it so it's a way to fuck around without having to leave my comfy home.
>>321200389
my friends play this
i dont know how. it is phenomenally fucking boring with a really simple cast
LOL and DOTA have been around so long with such a large, already-established cast/features that they can focus on nuance and refinement of what they have, along with adding unique heroes
this fucking shit doesnt have that luxury so they need to pump out thrown-together heroes constantly to keep people insterested. gameplay is stripped and the heroes of spammy, low-impact skills
>>321172998
>but each game can play drastically different
lol no
each game is either "feed and get destroyed" ; "get feed and destroy" ; "1:1 and people destroy each other until respawn timers are so long that it's a matter of who dies last and then you just obliterate the base"
fuck your shit m900
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>>321200389
>got high and extremely bored
>saw some gameplay of HoTS and thought it might be fun
>pay $40 to get in to the beta
>bored in less than a week
And they say marijuana is harmless. I just bought Battlefront as well because of the weeds.
i'm convinced LoL's shift from bizarre semi-cartoony to MTG + Tera mix of high fantasy is one of the reasons it did well, along with it's first stronger competitor, HoN, going behind a paywall
to elaborate on the former point, stuffing the game with god-tier girl designs and resulting wave of fan-art porn got a lot of heads turning.
Seeing these threads daily has shed light on some good and a lot of the bad with LoL. My friends and I have a fuckin blast though, it's mainly why I'm still on.
I wouldn't mind venturing into DotA2, however if League toxicity has proven anything to me, you'll get cursed out for playing like a nub and not really learn anything to develop.
Starcraft was just foreign as fuck to me though.
gotta love Riot
>juggernaut patch
>gut juggernauts soon after making the reworks completly pointless
>marksman update introduced new masteries for strategic diveristy
>thunderlord's decree is so overpowered almost everyone runs it
also Sion best top
>Free
>casual
>released at the best time possible
>you can't leave after wasting money and time because it would be a waste, right?
>every 3rd world shitkid plays it because free and runs with even a win 98
>also popular so kids play it because it's "cool"
>target audience too dumb to realize the game is inferior and designed to make money for tencent
>>321202980
Forgot
>game has hot anime chicks
>>321201869
>i'm convinced LoL's shift from bizarre semi-cartoony to MTG + Tera mix of high fantasy is one of the reasons it did well,
I'd say this is an important aspect from a visual standpoint that despite how; I know I'm going to get shit on for this but despite how diverse the cast is it somehow fits. Like you can put a catfish man next to the stream punk cop next to egyptian god next to the magical, technical, military midget race and it somehow meshes well.
>>321202465
Juggernauts are still strong though. For the new masteries Riot did something really surprising though. Instead of nerfing thunder lords they buffed the other masteries.
>>321186421
Why would you need those?
EZ
>Shitload of marketing
>Enough mana regen for +30 spells, which creates a false sense of action
>Dumbed down mechanics, the Brawl version of MOBAs
>Waifus everywhere
>Locks you out on content, which is what DLC dumbos love
>Basically stole the best from Dota 2, including map design
>Easy game makes for overall more "I'm so fucking good" experiences.
Because of Chinks, Mexicans, Brazillians and Russians. In short: People with shit taste.
>>321203076
Cartoon chicks, even if it emulates Japanese style it isn't thus it isn't anime, it is a cartoon.
>>321203947
In behalf of Mexicans, only the poor play League, that's literally the only thing they can run.
Real men play Dota 2.
>>321204093
Peruvian 13 year olds are always on Dota 2 as well, both games are plagued with the same cancer fanbase
>>321204093
slavshit play dota2
real men dont shame their ancestors by playing mobas
Are Esports good or bad for vidya gaymes, /v/?
>>321171065
casual genre game for casuals nothing more to see no other way to attract the masses
>b-b-but if it's casual then let's see you beat the pros!
anybody can become much better than anyone at ANYTHING if they spend 20 hours a day every day doing it. you could become the worlds greatest sleeping bag roller and nobody could hold a candle to you if you spent all day every day practicing it. doesn't make it a proper competitive game.
>>321207103
>>anybody can become much better than anyone at ANYTHING if they spend 20 hours a day every day doing it.
this is bullshit, but it is correct in regards to dota games because they have no real skill involved, its all memory based
>>321204093
>only the poor play League, that's literally the only thing they can run
This is the truth, I have personal experience with that.
I play neither though.
>>321207453
the point was that anything can become competitive if you pit people against each other at it. this is an objective fact. you can make any activity into a competitive event and while there are variables, generally speaking, time is the most prevalent variable and second to time is rigors or how hard a person trains followed by knowledge in how well they understand how to train and how to train hard.
>>321201419
sauce?
Do you need the top tier runes to have a chance?
>>321209305
In rank yes. normal or seasonal game mode no.
>>321171065
>Still no Taric VU.
>>321185773
>Go
>Simple
>>321209968
He is apparently third for a complete rework. They said Shen and Warwick will have some update I assume like a minor one like Viktor. Then a Sion/Poppy rework for Taric.
>>321186785
>First heard about Big Rigs from AVGN
You're not allowed to post here if you're underage.
>>321210226
what the fuck is taking so long? How does Gangplank get two VU's in consecutive order but Taric, and Malphite get nothing. Does Riot remember they exist?
>>321211029
Well they said they are changing Taric but said nothing of Malphite. I'm just upset that they forgot Yorick in the post.
It's a fun game
>>321171147
I disagree.
It's a good platform for friends to spend time with each other. The game itself is awful.
>>321172290
I've played for a year, the game is shit. Its a toxic environment and the game is designed to bring out the worst in human beings, worst fucking community on the planet
>>321180140
League is not fun while leveling your account to 30, it is impossible to have fun while you're dealing with people banned for being assholes and losing lane simply because your opponent has a higher account level than you and has the keystone masteries.
>>321188732
Honeslty, plat V isn't even all that bad. At that rank you're better than the majority of people and could easily carry yourself out of bronze and silver.
Try playing some normals if you don't believe me.
>>321171065
Because its horrible design makes it extremely accessible and easy to pick up
>>321193152
>Her ult
I dunno, man...
>>321214753
That's it compared to
Vayne's fucking true damage and one of the worst player base in the game.
Darius with his new heal.
Zed with his manaless waveclear. A passive that makes last hitting a breeze his stupid ass ult and Riot being the tards they are are giving him an item that essentially is a second ult.
So yeah Vi is the least cancerous.
>>321215383
Well, Vayne is cancer for more reasons than just her true damage
Darius may have the heal, but unlike Vi, he can't just press R on a carry and have them be 100-0'd in an instant. He actually has to put more effort into killing things on account of being so immobile. The heal is pretty stupid, but I don't think it's particularly imbalanced because he can be ganked and killed pretty easily given his lack of safeness and mobility. I'd say he's far less cancerous than Vi, I wouldn't even call him cancerous to begin with.
Zed is cancer mostly on virtue of how safe he is. It's fucking retarded how he can screw up an ult completely but get out of it fine with no risk because of the stupid teleport.
