>Game has a variety of cool, interesting weapons
>The default starting weapon is better than all of them
JUST
switch to Ludwig's
Kirkhammer bitch
Threaded Cane is the only correct choice
>he hasn't used literally any other weapon
The cleaver's sister is arguably better, as it keeps its serrated bonus in trick mode.
>>321102204
>Fabric on the blade itself
ok
>>321102204
I love pilebunkers/stake drivers but is that just a weapon to show off with? Like not really practical?
>>321102621
"We Want the Sonic Boom Audience"
>>321102204
Nah fuck you buddy...like the DS plasma cutter they are iconic for a reason
>>321102520
Saw Spear trick mode is absolute garbage. At least the Cleaver has one good attack in that mode (the R2) while the spear has nothing.
>>321102649
The Stake Drivers might be the only objectively bad weapon in the game.
>that's not the church pick
>that's not the saw spear
>that's not Saif
>that's not the Chikage
church pick for me
nice try op
>>321102770
>range
>sweeping attacks
Way better than Saw 1.0
Funny OP since the reiterpallasch is the best weapon in game including the dlc.
>>321102204
Father: Well son, it looks like you want to be an adventurer. I'll give you this simple sword given to me by my great grandfather. Ignore the glowing runes, lack of weight, and the fact it is made of a carbonized metal that isn't even found on this planet.
>Early/mid-game gear looks best; clean and simple but not too boring
>Late/endgame is approximately 5,000 fucktons of spikes, metal, pauldrons larger than an oil tanker and obnoxious lights
>>321102621
It's to soak up blood anon
>>321103384
Am I a casual for thinking every game should at least have an appearance tab? Especially multiplayer games
>>321103701
I don't necessarily disagree but that for me turns into autistic levels of playing dress-up which I really would like to avoid.
>>321103384
I like the latter better for endgame.
>>321102204
dead space
>>321103519
Would make sense if it was just the handle, AGAIN putting fabric on the blade is a dumb fucking idea.
Now that we established that every weapon is the best weapon, which weapons are shit?
>>321102770
That range is godlike, but since the patches, you can't rack up that 20k damage.
>>321103838
What's wrong with playing dress-up?
>>321102796
So it's not just me.
That thing was such a disappointment. Such a cool concept with such a lame moveset.
Should've worked like the boom hammer.
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/hXZd9XC.png "latest[2].png")
>>321102204
In NG1 at least. Never played Black and only dabbled with Hurricane Pack but I heard the Lunar Staff is OP. In NG2 it's outclassed by the Scythe but DS is still a close second, TDS might take it back to #1.
>>321104142
Blood in this game has various empowering properties.
>Not the Kirkhammer or the Whirligig
You fucked up anon
>>321104423
just like ur mom ass right ;)
>>321104159
Boom Hammer is pretty bad.
>>321104528
Yes, actually.
>>321104142
Yeah well, it's a Japanese game with werewolves, ayy lmaos, and elder gods it doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyway
>>321104164
Cutter was suffucient in both games, but it wasn't the best.
The Ripper was the true powerhouse staple. Murders scores of dudes and bosses with a single shot. More anmo than you could ever use.
Plus it's the coolest.
>>321104408
>not wrecking shit with the Eagle Tallons
easy modo desu~
![amygdalan_arm[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P16GlBP.jpg "amygdalan_arm[1].jpg")
>best weapon is locked in the dlc
Shame. This thing is so much fun, it's silly.
>>321102204
>JUST
Kill yourself.
>>321104669
>listening to the ripper the entire game
naa
>>321104491
Using both of those +10 on my strength build right now.
![69a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zICMJPM.jpg "69a[1].jpg")
>>321104735
And here's trick mode
I thought the rifle spear kind of sucked but it's ridiculously good for some non boss pve encounters
those three ya'har'gul hunters are trivial with the spear
even at a low level the non boss enemies (like the blood drunk hunters) are easy
phew
>>321104753
It's the sound of satisfaction.
C H I K A G E
>>321102204
This is an issue I have with Souls in general. There's no reason to go out of your way to use anything but normal weapons. I understand that you're supposed to be able to upgrade whatever you want and use it throughout the game, which is fine, but it's way too easy to end up with something that's at least as good as all the other weapons you find.
>>321104408
What the fuck are you talking about. This is obviously a BB thread
>>321102204
Yeah... I have the same problem with BB. They shouldn't have included saw cleaver in its current form. Untransformed r1 is way too fast makes everything else feel so useless in comparison for pve
>>321105271
>subject: things you hate
>>Game has a variety of cool, interesting weapons
>>The default starting weapon is better than all of them
Seems a little more broad than that to me.
>>321105197
The problem these games ALWAYS have is that there is no reason to ever use anything other than a fast attacking weapon. Heavy weapons are always garbage dealing damage because a fast stick can rack up as much damage as a big sword if you just get the right stats and buff it a little bit. And then stunlocks being a thing in these games doesn't help other slow weapons.
Check out how it will the exact same in DaS3 once it comes out. Dex weapons will be the best once again.
>>321102621
I thought that was a real thing. wrapping the blade actually makes it last longer or something. couldve sworn someone told me that.
>>321105602
i dunno what you're bitching about but the zweihander is literally the god weapon of dark souls
>muh rapier
>muh katana
>>321105197
People are going to hate me for this, but this is the reason I likes DeS's lack of moveset variety.
If you find a moveset you like (e.g., the shortsword), you will find later weapons which also use that moveset and you can upgrade to. But because BB has everything be unique, you can go through 75% of the game, FINALLY get a weapon, upgrade it, spend several minutes/hours learning, and only THEN you realize it's shit. It's so fucking time consuming.
>>321105761
That someone was a fucking retard, and so were you for taking his bullshit at face value.
>>321105858
My issue with BB is you can only get some weapons very late in the game, it kinda mekas the uniqueness of ghe weapons moot on a first playthrough
>enemy NPCs that don't follow the rules of the game
Lookin at you, Chikage hunter, with your unlimited amount of bullets and stupid amounts of health and damage
>>321104491
>Kirkhammer
>taking a year to swing once
STR fags, not even once
>>321106016
I mean it sounded plausible, i had no reason to not believe him as he seemed to know more about this than i did.
>>321105602
you've never played Demons Souls, have you? It was the only game in the series where heavy weapons were actually top tier (and not just in deluded fanboys' minds).
You can balance heavy weapons by giving them hyperarmor and making the damage per hit match the speed (e,g, completely ludicrous). A purple Dragon Bone Smasher was fucking terrifying in Demons, since it could literally kill you in one hit.
>>321102204
Chikage with 50bt deals 600 per hit gemless at +15... GEMLESS
>>321106450
+15
wat
>>321106272
Whatsa matter skillfag? So braindead that you have to spam R1 and can't time your attacks correctly to avoid being hit?
>>321104159
Stake Driver and Boom Hammer are bad but both are pretty fun to mess around with.
>>321102204
spear is better in every regard
>>321105761
>>321106289
What's the point of a blade lasting longer when you're not even going to use it properly?
Wrapping the blade just makes it harder to cut. You're basically dulling the blade so it doesn't get dull later.
>>321103384
>Early game armor already looks good
>all the armors in the game maintain nice design and while some of them are ornate they aren't too ridiculous
>Only a few joke armors are retarded looking
Dark Souls is the /fa/est fantasy game
>>321107330
Unless the blade is so shitty that the tape is holding it together.
>>321107749
Why would you use a blade like that?
>>321102204
That's not the axe, chump
>>321107330
It's a cleaver. It's not meant to slice but to chop.
>>321102621
Not enough megatextures on the blade for you?
OP you do realize that if you only upgrade one weapon its of course going to do more damage.
>>321107885
And?
>>321108085
It doesn't need to be sharp to chop shit. The clothe is probably just there to make it easier to hold onto and to keep blood from getting everywhere.
Hell, the hunters could also have put it there so when they fuck shit up they can drink the blood later because they're all about that blood.
>>321104408
>Implying Dabilahro wasn't better
Yes this includes the true dragon sword.
>>321106272
>swing once
>does 100x the damage of skillshit
>>321108237
>It doesn't need to be sharp to chop shit
It would work better though.
>the clothe is probably just there to make it easier to hold onto
Do you hold it by the blade?
>and to keep blood from getting everywhere.
Like wearing a raincoat in the shower. No real purpose unless you're afraid of getting blood on your clothes, in which case you'd be in the wrong line of work.
>>321108789
It probably would work better but these are the same people that put a sword in a giant rock and use both as a weapon or turned a sheath into a giant sword rather than just making the sword giant to begin with.
>>321108789
>>321108237
It's Just there because the designer thought it would look cool, you fucking autists.
>>321108237
I like the blood thing, but cleavers have to be mad sharp to cut through bone.
>>321109059
Learn to read comment chains. This conversation began with:
>>321105761
And followed with discussion on why that was a load.
I'm sorry if this series of posts offends you for some reason.
>>321107885
I...
what?
>>321108964
This is a silly game.
>>321109059
And they failed, and it looks stupid. Stop getting mad over nothing, "autist."
>>321109274
no, the conversation began with >>321102621
see >>321109059
>>321102204
Wrong picture, you mean the hunter's axe
>>321109107
I think most hunters would prefer the chopping bits to the cutting bits. If you wanted to slice shit you'd get a different weapon.
>>321102927
>>321102770
range is moderate, the moveset is crap. The sweep isn't even big, it like 90 degrees.
>>321109406
Not in terms of the matter we were discussing by the time you got angry, but whatever helps you sleep at night. I still recommend reading a comment chain before posting.
>>321102204
Dead Space.
>All these wimpy babies who don't know the satisfaction of a good slam with the ol' Kirkhammer
beast cutter boys
>tfw want to play this game so bad
>tfw the PS4 didn't drop in price at all so I'm not getting one until much later next year
>>321109958
>not using the amygdyla arm instead
>untricked R1 is a literally DIE DIE DIE pound like you are trying to kill an insect
>tricked attacks have a sentient claw do it's own attacks while you go to poundtown
>oh man Burial Blade is cool as fuck
>Skill scaled
>basically NG+ only
fuck
>>321109958
>kirkhammer fans
These guys are pretty much the perfect example of oblivious style-over-substance idiots. Oh, the kirkhammer looks massive and strong, therefore it should actually be massive and strong! Wait, it has shit damage and reach? Doesn't matter, reality doesn't get in my way!
>>321110153
are you an actual poor person or are you just being cheap? the price won't drop significantly until a slim version comes out.
>>321110348
do chalice, lower loran root has uncannny versions.
>>321109804
i recommend never posting again
>>321110468
don't the uncanny and lost versions only appear after you get the base weapon?
>>321110468
I'm just being cheap because it's literally the only PS4 game I have any interest in.I know that it's stupid to get a console for only one game but it just looks so good.
>>321108482
maybe before the DLC, but the church pick lets me deal as much as any STR weapon with really fast swings on my SKLL/ARC build
>>321110631
they opnly appear in the chalice messenger baths when you have the original version, you can still find lost/uncanny versions inside chalice though. I haven't gone NG and I found uncanny burial blade in lower loran root last night.
>>321110668
Just rent it, or play it at a friend with a PS4.
Thats what I did. I ain't paying no 400$ to play one game.
>>321111029
I'm actually working on convincing a friend to buy a PS4. He's a huge Kingdom Hearts fan and will probably get one only for the next game.
>>321105761
Yeah, for a hockey blade.
>>321110604
Yes, that's also a good idea.
>>321102204
>new/dlc characters/weapons have ridiculous range, priority, recovery, speed, and utility
>older/vanilla characters/weapons are never buffed up to standard, are always subpar even in competent hands
>a few low tiers actually get subtle nerfs
>devs fucking refuse to talk about it
>mfw trying to use the Threaded Cane
The damage is so shit.
>>321102204
Fuck the Saw Cleaver. Whirligig is a million times better.
>>321112306
I've been using the cane since day 1 and beat the whole game with it
Castlevaniaborne or bust
>>321113801
I don't think he's saying it's unusable, just that's it's pretty ass. As far as Skill weapons are concerned, Blades of Mercy are better, and the weapons in the DLC trump it too. Rakuyo is fantastic.
>>321114039
>it's pretty ass
Its reach in whip mode is ridiculous
I beat Amgydala without hardly ever getting hit because I could just hit the head directly from a distance
Doing a Skill/Bloodtinge build right now. The Chikage has been pretty good to me so far. How are the Bowblade and Rakuyo?
>>321114039
Cane is fucking amazing when you upgrade it a bit. Carried me through the whole game, too, ezpz.
As someone who played through the game once, got the "good" ending (waifu stroking my naked worm body), enjoyed the game for a while in between dying a million times while figuring out the rules/mechanics, and getting good (also learning to "game" most enemies) enough that almost all enemies were trivial by the end of my only play-through, but feels no pressing desire to play the game again any time soon; is the DLC worth me playing the game again?
I did enjoy the sense of exploration into unknown and dangerous territory. I liked that I felt vulnerable most of the time. I enjoyed the challenge while it lasted. (oddly a lot of the bosses I found easier than mobs of regular enemies, case in point: Emissary) I have zero interest in PvP, and I've not done any Chalice dungeons yet. Do you think it would be worthwhile for me?
>>321116386
The DLC bosses are easily the best in the game.
>>321116586
Ludwig may be easy, but god damn, his fight is good. I especially love his aesthetic in the latter half.
>>321110353
>You shouldn't use the weapon you like, that talk's for scrubs! Make sure to use the best one! That's the only one EVER worth using!
You main Fox, don't you?
>>321116734
I found Maria to be the most fun.
imo
Maria > Orphan > Ludwig > Laurence
>ctrl+F saif
>Only 1 result
I am disappointed in all of you except for >>321102892
>>321118852
moveset is pretty boring, not interesting enough to make up for the short range it has. might be cool for PVP but shit for PVE
>>321102204
Probably mentioned already but
Plasma
Motherfucking
Cutter
>>321119292
Haven't used it much myself but the uppercut that closes the distance seems pretty good. And that's only the start of it's basic combo.
>>321104817
>>321104735
Absolutely fucking love this weapon
>Dat charged R2
>>321118852
Saif has dogshit scaling. The r1 is fucking amazing tho goddamn.
>>321119292
>not interesting enough for the short range it has
i bet you don't even know you can use L1 as an attack pleb
>not using the pizza cutter
>>321114386
Bowblade is a good secondary for the Chikage as a better ranged attack, the moveset has more sweeps and is a bit faster but it has lower DPS (especially against bloodied form Chikage). Haven't tried Rakuyo but it doesn't scale with bloodtinge, which is a bummer
>>321110137
How actually viable is this?
>>321105341
Transformed Saif is even faster. Shit is stupid.
>>321122675
actually fairly viable. You get hyper armor on your chain swings, so you can out-trade.
>>321122675
It's pretty good. Only problem is that it's really easy to parry the people swinging it.
>>321102204
Every weapon is viable in Bloodborne, you nigger.
>tfw stuck on Orphan
This guy is a bigger wall for me than Ludwig and Abhorrent, fuck
>>321122982
>>321123037
Cool, I should start pumping into strength for it I suppose. Seemed a bit stamina hungry when I was swinging it around though.
>>321123090
Don't lock onto him, and just keep rolling behind him.
>>321123090
Almost every single one of his attacks is parriable, but they have weird timings.
>>321104408
I just got finished playing my first Ninja Gaiden game, unfortunately i could not get Sigma 1 so i played Sigma 2. Jesus Christ there are almost too many weapons for how long the game is, and they are all fun and satisfying to use.
I basically just used what ever weapon i got in that chapter and upgraded the last one i got until i found a new one. Haven't spent enough time with all of them but my favorites are probably the twin katanas, the scythe and the claws, the Dragon Sword is cool too.
The visual, audio and touch feedback from cutting shit up in this game is so satisfying.
>>321102796
Maybe you just need toimprove
It's not all about the charge attack.
The quick attack uses little stamina and does decent damage at a fast pace, the trick attack combos nicely.
It's just not a weapon to initiate crits, it deals with fodder and bosses, anything in between will give you grief
>>321103384
>>321103701
>>321103838
Armor in bloodborne is almost entirely sidegrades to each other. The starting armor set can be worn throughout the entirety of the game, with no negatives.
The only time specific armor sets are useful is when fighting bosses that use a specific attack type, and even then, you can just git gud and have no issues whatsoever. 99% of the time people just wear what they think looks cool
>>321104669
The seeker rifle is where it was at
>>321105858
The issue I have though is that there's no reason specifically to get excited about special weapons. They’re almost always more gimmicky versions of your regular weapons, rather then things you'd want to go out of your way to use despite their higher stat requirements and/or weight
my farts are a weapon
>>321123090
Parry
Use the Loch Shield to block the lightning
>>321124335
>tfw dressed up as a plague doctor
>>321126316
Me too actually. Everyone associates the crowfeather set with cancer edgy skill fags but fuck them it's the best looking armor in the game.I actually am a skill fag
>>321102796
>Not interested in bloodborne at all
>See the stake driver
>Buy the game soley for the stake driver
>I use it the rest of the game from the moment I get it
>I fucking love it
>Everyone else fucking hates it
>>321102403
My nigga
>>321127957
Just because it's bad doesn't mean we hate it.
>>321128235
>3 shots a boss
>bad
Never used it, how is it bad?
>>321128491
No range, and tons of windup to get big damage out of it.
>>321128491
literally just a boss killer, worthless for pvp unless you parry point blank into the charge attack, but if you wanted to parryfish you may as well go full skill and get a better weapon moveset instead.
>>321127336I'm a skillfag, too.I only use the Crow helmet though. I wear Gascoigne's armor, I forget the gloves and pants, but the pants are these really puffy ones.
>things you hate
This whole game.
I waited until all the W3 > BB shitposting died down to play through BB and see what the fuss was about and I came to a pretty solid conclusion that it's shit. I have hundreds of hours in dark souls so I knew a thing or two about how these games generally work before I started, so here's what I found.
>Literally no reason to not use two weapons the whole game (saw -> ludwigs) due to upgrade resource availability and just pure viability reasons
>Environments get super repetitive: "Hey what should we fill this area with?" "I know, let's just pile stone statues of people every fucking where for no reason!"
>Armors literally never progress, first hunters set you find (trailer gear) is basically the general BiS
>Bosses are stupid repetitive and predictable:
>Pretty much 90% of bosses' appearance can be described as amalgamations of spindly limbs, hair, and blood
>Pretty much 90% of bosses' behaviors can described as a short windup followed by an extended amount of aggressive side slashing
>90% of bosses come down to watching for a windup, dodging forward diagonally, and attacking until out of stamina
>half of them can be cheesed even worse with oil bombs + molotovs
>can sometimes summon 2 npc's to literally beat fights for you
The atmosphere was cool but they fucking ruined it with all the other shit
Half the bosses were completely disappointing one-shots due to the lack of variety
Only boss I died more than twice on was Guacamole but that's because I hadn't learned the proper way to play BB yet, and especially how to cheese it (oil + fire)
That's why W3 won game of the year all over the place. It's pretty much settled.
>>321102204
>the default starting weapon is more boring than all of them
fixed that for you, anon
>>321129508
sounds like you hated it mainly because you have no discipline and couldn't keep yourself from using the cheapest weapons and cheesing every boss.
>>321128235
Did they buff it? At launch it did about as much damage as a Kirkhammer smash but with a much longer wind-up.
>>321102796
>implying
>>321129665
>It's only good if you intentionally try to gimp yourself with shit weapons
What a stupid fucking argument. Do you know how stupid you sound? I'm not supposed to use weapons I get because they're "too good?" The fuck?
>>321129862
>every weapon is shit except for the absolute best weapons
just kill yourself, retard.
>>321129732
>implying you can pull that off more than 5% of the time
that webm shows a controlled environment against a low and predictable enemy
>>321129508
epic b8, i r8 it 8/8
>>321124335
On ng+ i spent the whole game running around naked with my bearded hippy, helping with summons. Really like how the armor is more of a cosmetic choice
>>321130004
You could, actually and the skill ceiling is there. The point is the insane damage you get with fire gems and oil urns.
It's mostly something you'd only pull out against a boss or large enemy though. It's not very good against normal mobs.
>>321102204
>game has a variety of equally viable weapons
>starting weapon is every bit as unique as the others and isn't just a general all-rounder
What games do this? Bastion was pretty great in this regard.
>>321130004
>5% of the time
m8, it's not that fucking hard to land the R2
>>321129941
Are you fucking retarded buddy? Why are we given the best weapons for practically no effort if using them is considered cheese? You never even tried to explain that.
>>321126316
>tfw butchers gear, surgical gloves, and crow mask
Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!
>>321129665
>cheapest weapons
So it's unbalanced as fuck then.
>>321130484
because the game wants you to use other weapons and try out the different move sets, but you think there's "no reason" to use anything but the best weapons because you're a casual retard who just wants to steamroll through the game and have instant gratification. back to cod, please.
>>321130004
Once you git gud you can start nailing, also gets people in pvp pretty good
>THIS HAND OF MINE IS BURNING RED
>Idiots always charge in for some fucking reason and get smacked in the face
>>321102204
The cleaver isn't better than everything else. It's simple to use, but it's not "better".
Is the Boom Stick another Tonitrus or is it actually viable?
>>321130981
yes it is
it and saw spear are objectively the best weapons in the game in terms of damage and speed on top of the L1 combos being very fast with a 1.3x damage modifier
there is a reason speedrunners use it over any other weapon in the game
I don't even like it and always pick up axe/cane but I still acknowledge that it's the best weapon.
How do you get behind Gatling Gun man anyways, I've beaten the game and never bothered to figure out how.
>>321131212
you don't?
just shoot him to interrupt him then get close
>>321131212
Djura or the DLC guy?
>>321131317
No, I mean actually getting to the tower he shoots at you from. I figured it was a long-winded path from the forbidden woods or something like that.
>>321131210
Speedrunners will use anything that's .00074% better or faster than the next best weapon. That's hardly a point to be made.
>>321131412
there's a ladder right outside that church full of those fags
>>321131373
Djura
>>321131412
>>321131516
Kill Paarl
Backtrack to Djura
Win
>>321130806
>because the game wants you
it what way does it want you to do any of this?
you've done nothing but parrot meaningless bullshit like every other BB apologist
you literally can not give one single reason why it's not shit game design to give easy access to what you claim are cheese weapons
>>321131452
it's hardly up for argument
go ask /bbg/ and they'll tell you the same thing
>>321131580
because it's a game and it wants you to have fun? you don't have to use the cheese weapons. back to destiny where everyone uses the same gun because it's the best, please.
>>321131551
Cool, I'm gonna go punch guys now.
>>321131619
They would be just as wrong as you if that's the case. Other weapons have attributes that the cleaver doesn't. There's no weapon that does everything better than any other weapon.
>>321130981
yes it is.
Let me spoil you something: in PvE, the attack that matters most is your basic R1 combo. In PvP, what matters most is your dash attack. Well, it just so happens that the Cleaver has the best R1 combo in the game (fast, strong, good reach) and one of the best dash R1s (fast, strong, good reach).
That means it's top tier for everything, whether PvP or PvE. Gimmicky attacks don't matter nearly as much as a good core, if you want sub-par variety you can try using the transformed mode (which is shit, but it's there).
>>321131212
There's a ladder right before the entrance to the church full of beast people. Climb up, then climb the next ladder right to the left and Djura will be there. He will attempt to kill you unless you visit Yahar'Gul early and either defeat Paarl or warp back to the Bloodstarved Beast's boss room and make your way back to him. If you do that, he will be friendly to you if you agree not to kill the beasts in Old Yharnam. That'll net you a gesture and his badge, but not his outfit unfortunately. You have to kill him for that.
>>321131824
Thanks anon
>>321102204
I made this post months ago, nobody gave a shit.
I'm pretty sure MY game was bugged, because the saw cleaver was inflicting more than 70% damage than other weapons that had a lot more of attack damage.
I dont remember the actual numbers, but for example, the SC was inflicting 350 damage per hit, while the kirkhammer was inflicting 70 and the ludwig's was inflicting 80. All of them were in the same level, with the same gems, and I obviously met the requirements for each.
I literally had no reason to use other weapons, none of them managed to hit harder than the SC.
>>321131920
No problem. I like having all the gestures on my characters so I often befriend himand then kill him for that sweet clothing.
>>321131783
the cleaver does though
>>321131801
It doesn't do everything and isn't the best at everything. Even if it was the most well rounded weapon in the game that hardly means there's no reason to use other weapons.
I'd rather have a Burial Blade and Chikage than any of the three cleavers any day.
>>321131783
>There's no weapon that does everything better than any other weapon.
There are actually. Weapons can pretty easily be sorted into tiers. If you're saying it's impossible to objectively judge a weapon and compare it to another, you would be wrong.
It just so happens that on top of the shit I mentioned + the serrated bonus, saw spear also excels at pvp and it's top tier.
It's the best weapon in the game. It just is.
>>321131783
except the cleaver does.
it excels at everything, it has the highest damage with all the hidden bonuses and its very fast with normal reach, long reach on transformed.
>>321102204
such a fuckin dumb practical weapon too.gift boxes require 4 clicks
>>321131978
it does extra damage to beasts, you missed with kirkhammer
Saw Cleaver is obsolete with the addition of Saif
>>321102770
it has a thrust attack you fucking moron
>>321132143
Nope. The cleaver doesn't give you the knockback of the Burial Blade, the range of the Bowblade, the Bloodtinge DPS of the Chikage, etc.
>>321102204
the answer to this woul'dve been to replace it with the saw spear as a starting weapon and to remove to +20% beast damage bonus
>>321132306
saif is fun, but that's about it
saif does not have the AR, speed or the serrated bonus.
>>321104491
those aren't default you fucking idiot
>>321132402
What? The R1 string of the Saif is faster than the cleaver and the initial attack has way more range.
>>321131703
>You have to deliberately handicap yourself for fun
>There's nothing keeping score of how you gimp yourself
>Tons of other games could be made hard like this
>>321132369
which are all completely optional mechanics.
What you want is damage, its what matters the most ultimately, on pve. and on PVP and combination of damage, speed and stam cost to keep a long combo to prevent the opponent from escaping and healing.
and guess what? the saw is the best at all that fucking shit.
I mean you actually fucking mentioned bloodtinge, uhh! the shitty ass skill related to ranged damage, how scary!
>>321132369
A saw spear will outdamage a chikage so long as we're not talking per swing.
It also staggers the shit out of things with its L1 attacks.
>>321102204
>Game has a variety of cool, interesting weapons
>The combat is complete shit
>>321102204
axe>clever
>>321131703
BB has shit weapon and gear variety
>>321132489
range when untransformed
also, aside from the transformed R1, the transformation attacks that lunge you forward drain tons of stamina and it can't chain L1 combos with that modifier because you just end up weaving in and out.
>>321132770
nah, the DLC fixes that
pic very fucking related
are some devs just trying to be assholes?
>>321132398
>the answer to this woul'dve been to replace it with the saw spear as a starting weapon
That actually would work. The Cleaver is better than the Spear, so it makes sense it would be found later. If you switched their spots it would work much better.
>>321132552
Optional mechanics? That makes no sense.
I want to use the BB's charge attack on the three fat rolling men because it knocks them back and I can fight one at a time. I can't do anything close to that with the cleaver. The same thing applies to the Rifle Spear.
It's not always about damage. A weapons moveset is just as important.
Also, I figured you knew a little about the game but I guess you don't understand that Bloodtinge affects the Chikage's transformed damage, otherwise you wouldn't have said something that silly, right?
>>321131703
second time you've resorted to "go back to x game" like a complete retard that can't come up with a single valid argument
you can blindfold yourself and play any game and it would be harder
doesn't change the fact that requiring you to gimp yourself in order to make it fun and challenging is shit design
>>321132987
vidya?
>>321128491
its called max gems and probably over leveled you dumb cunt, have you played the game?
>>321129732
>>321130004
>oil urn
>fire gemed
>overleveled
>max gems
HOLY SHIT THIS WEAPON IS SO GUD
>>321133259
LotR War in the North
>>321133274
I don't think there is another weapon in the entire game with high enough AR/modifiers to 3 shot bribri
stakedriver R2s are probably the only thing that can
>>321133412
>6000 damage from a single attack that isn't a visceral
yes, it is
>>321116386
Chalices are a lot of fun and you would be missing out not doing them. Not only do they make you better at the game but there's some cool stuff you can only find in the chalice dungeons, including a unique boss.
>Game buffers your dodge for more frames than an enemy's attack lasts for
>>321132658
You're saying that if they're both upgraded to the same level, that the spear always does more than the Chikage? I would think that your stats are the only thing determining that.
I mostly leveled dexterity and I still couldn't wait to ditch the spear.
>>321133643
>Chalices are a lot of fun and you would be missing out not doing them
HA
Chalices are incredibly samey and have some of the worst enemies in the game in them. Plus, one or two good bosses doesn't make up the amount of reused or shit bosses you have to go through
>>321133534
>I don't think there is another weapon in the entire game with high enough AR/modifiers to 3 shot bribri
99 arcane + flamesprayer +10
you dont need to "3shot it"
it will get stunlocked so fucking much at that point you can sit there and hold l2 and it will be dead
>6000 damage from a single attack that isn't a visceral
as apposed to spamming r1 with saw cleaver with firepaper/fire gemmed it would just be as much DPS without the charge attack with the modifiers
>>321133643
There's at least six unique ones in the dungeons though.
>>321133775
I'm saying a 25/50 str/blt spear build with any buff it can use will outdamage a whatever/50 blt lost chikage with any buff it can use in terms of sheer DPS and not damage per swing, yes
>>321124335
As soon as I figured out the cowboy look, I've never used anything else.
>Old Hunter Cap
>Henryk's Hunter Garb
>Old Hunter Arm Bands
>Maria Hunter Trousers
>>321133834
flamesprayer does tick damage, just like the pizza cutter L2
they don't count
I'm taking damage per attack is the highest in the game with the modifier of the stakedriver.
>>321104408
I went through most of the game with just the staff and the big sword.
Stuck on Ludwig at the moment. Fought him for about 2 hours then decided I needed a break. Does his moveset/speed change after he uses is uber sword slam at about ~25% health? I swear I can get him down to that so easy but then he just slaughters me.
>get the bowblade at level 20
>proceed to cheese every bossfight in the base game with it
heh
>>321133987
>Gascoigne's cap
>Gherman's coat
>Gascoigne's pants
>any gloves
Out of the way DEX fucking shits, superior weapon coming through
>>321134553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4UFQWKjy_I
>>321134553
I wish the Kirkhammer was better
Ended up dropping it for Ludwig's.
>>321102204
>not seeing the moonlight
Crafting systems. Fuck that shit. I dont mind if there's some crazy ultra mega weapon late game that I have to craft to get, but making me spend 20 fucking minutes to make something like an iron sword with +3 bleeding damage and forcing me to craft that bullshit the whole game cause they took out any significant loot system is awful
>>321134743
>Trick-mode R1 into L1
>>321134783
I don't care in vidya if a weapon is good or not, aesthetic trumps all for me
>>321135047
Well yeah, but a big hammer needs a big punch to back it up, and the Kirkhammer just seemed to lack that in my experience
>>321102204
>BEING IMPRESSED BY EDGY TIER HOMO JAP 2MUCH DARKNESS4U
also notice the combat is basically ps2 era slashy shit
...boring
>>321134819
Or having to travel to 10 different towns because each merchant only has 2 "string" when you need a ton to make something
>>321105775
Black Knight sword faggot
why did people inject chtulu blood.
Permanently breakable weapons. I always "save the good unique ones for when I really need them" but end up finishing the game having not used any of them because I was too worried about saving them.
>>321135656
Because it's good for you
>>321135656
>>321135798
WHY DONT U INJECT CTHULU BLOOD ITS GOOD
>>321133815
I definitely agree it can feel samey but every once and awhile you come across ones that are really unique or super challenging. I just liked having something to explore that was off the beaten path of the main content.
>>321133906
You're right, in my mind I had equated the queen being unique because she gives a trophy for her defeat. I forgot about the others. That pthumeru descendant that is basically a parry exam, comes to mind.
>>321136516
Reverse haha
Is the Beasthunter saif any good? looks like a slower saw/spear but with better mobility
>>321130165
Agreed
Objective best weapons ranking:
1. Kirkhammer
2. Whirligig Saw
3. Beast Cutter
>>321130914
>mfw
>>321131212
there are stairs on the right side of the platform where he first guns you down. then it just becomes kind of stealth segment where you stay behind cover. kind of cool, IMO.
