Whats some of the worst first levels in video games?
>>321050453
>Peragus
>Bad
>>321050670
yeah its not bad
its downright fucking terrible
>>321050670
It takes forever and all your doing is killing droids...
>>321050453
I actually rather like both Peragus and Taris. No idea why people have such a stick up their asses about them.
>>321050453
You just posted it, thread finished.
>>321050731
>>321050751
>Sets the tone of the game flawlessly
>That perfect atmosphere
>Discovering the how the fate of Mining Facility and Harbinger crews came to be
>Sion introduction
>HK-50
Were you even paying attention?
>>321051168
>No actual relevance to the main plot
>Literally nothing to do but run around and kill droids
>drags on and on
I'd much rather start on any other world than this.
>>321050453
You win.
It's actually a pretty well designed, fleshed out place. The problem is doing it alone and that you're too weak to steamroll the obnoxious amounts of enemies and that it takes forever and a fucking day.
It's like hey Fallout 2 again! Oh no, Temple of Trials; oh no, Fucking Klamath. Fucking what is this with OBs/BI and shitty first levels?
>>321051475
Yeah, fuck the Temple of Trials.
>>321051635
ToT is the least shitty part about it, frankly. It's piss easy and can be done in like 2 minutes. Klamath, however can go fuck itself.
>>321050670
Nigga u kidding me its so bad its the biggest reason I don't try to play that game again.
>>321050453
Fucking this. At least Taris had much more variety
>>321051707
Klamath can be skipped though.
>>321051996
Taris was totally fine. Maybe even strong.
Never understood the hate at all, I guess people just really want that lightsaber.
I know pic related can be finished relatively quickly, but it's such a chore to get through.
>>321050453
Peragus isn't the problem. It's a pretty atmospheric level and people tend not to find everything out about the miner mystery first time around. On subsequent play throughs you find out more and more which is quite satisfying.
The problem is Telos, which takes place immediately afterwards. That place is bland as shit, both the ilthorians and cerzeka are unlikeable, and you have to do so much backtracking to their offices, then to Grenn, then to the docks, back to the offices, etc etc, when the whole time you just want to get to Atris to start the real game.
>>321052927
This guy looks like my estranged father.
Always makes it hard to start a game, lol
I fucking love God hand but the first level is kind of a mess.
>>321051053
Oh fuck that shit, I considered myself pretty decent at Commandos at some point but that level destroyed me.
>>321050453
I both agree and disagree. I played kotor 2 about 9 times now. Yes, peragus is boring, tedious, one big intro sequence and for the plot not at all that amazing.
But you could say it´s empty because it tries to be atmospheric. It sets the tone rather perfectly for the rest of the game being in stark contrast with what Kotor 1 was. Perhaps you´ll only appreciate it the first time you play the game and might use the ´skip peragus mod´ after, but as a design choice you have to admit it wasn´t bad at all.
>>321051168
>>321050670
It's good
THE FIRST FUCKING TIME YOU PLAY THE GAME
you don't need to set the game's tone every time you reply it,cus you already know it
>>321052035
Can and should are 2 different things. Sweet early game XP is too good to pass up. It's just so fucking boring.
>>321050453
Any Borderlands game
The first 5-8 hours of any square-enix game
Kills all the replayability
Not sure if this counts, but a lot of people stop playing Deus Ex because they can't beat the first level. In a weird direction, a lot of people start extremely enjoying it if they do pass it.
I have played Peragus 7 times.
I had never completed it.
Guess it was so boring my body refused to keep going.
ESPECIALLY THE DROID PART
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>>321056768
This plus Klamath is shit too.
Tbqh, FO2 is shit until you get to Modoc/VC
>>321056725
But Midgar is god tier and FFIV pacing is great
>>321056768
it's like 10 minutes, and plays differently for different characters
how does it kill replayability?
>>321056768
HOLY SHIT THIS, just loaded it up again the other day, make a talk-y, science-y character with just enough guns to not embarass myself in combat, and then proceed to spend 40 hours trading missed blows with fucking giant ants. I honestly wonder how many people this turned off when it was first released. How did I manage it initially? Fuck, I'm angry just thinking about it again....
>>321051053
Was that the first level? I'm sure the first was outside a railway station. Or were there different campaigns for each character?
Is this posted yet?
>>321057081
It's the first non-tutorial level.
The whole fucking forest part of bloodborne
>>321050453
But this level is great the first time, it's like a murder mystery on a spooky as fuck space station.
On repeats it's absolutely awful though.
>>321056859
The first level of Deus Ex is weird because as a level it's fantastic. It's fairly open, it's short enough that the pacing doesn't get bogged down, there are tons of things to find if you have a mind to explore, and it's laid out in a way that gives multiple clear ways to accomplish the objectives with plenty of room for other emergent playstyles if the player wants to fuck around. As a Deus Ex level, it's really well-designed.
The problem is that as a FIRST level it's not good at all. You're just dropped into it with little to no context aside from the terrible tutorial (which many players likely skipped anyway), given a short conversation and a couple objectives, and left to figure out what the fuck is what. There's nothing to ease the player in, and there's no real "hook" to pull them into the game at that point since they probably won't appreciate the open-ended level design at first glance, so it takes a certain degree of patience just to get through it as a new player. It's a level that's way better if you've already beaten the game before.
>>321057393
>given a short conversation and a couple objectives, and left to figure out what the fuck is what
You get a fucking map of the islands that points out the locations of your main objectives and shows you key locations? What the fuck did you expect from them? To make the first level a corridor? If you skip the tutorial don't blame it on the game designers.
>>321053440
literally a meme game
Yes exactly, if you go back or in NG+ it feels like cancer, the first time I guess it's not terrible, I just remember being lost and getting destroyed
>>321057604
kotor2 has ng+?
>>321057140
The pace is so sluggish in this intro.
>Grinding munny
>Struggles
>Station of Serenity
>It all adds up to pretty much nothing since Axel and Roxas' relationship and his motives stem from 358 rather than here
If this intro wasn't so rough, KH2 would definitely be the best in my opinion.
>>321056921
that was solely squaresoft anon
maybe enix is the problem here
>>321057310
its awful to go back to play because nothing changes
>>321057234
That's pretty damn far from the first level, anon.
Even if you're sticking to the absolute critical path it's still the third major area you go to. It's the fourth or fifth if you do things in the order the game expects you to, and potentially as far back as the eighth if you explore everywhere before it (aside from DLC).It's also great, fuck you. Just a bit easy to get lost in.
>>321056768
It's still fast than Peragus.
Although, I'm glad that FO:NV has better first "level" than other Obsidian/Black Isle games.
>>321057719
It's faster if you've got the right skills. If you're not combat based it takes a million years to get past the ants and radscorpions
I hope your a fast re...
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>>321057783
you can avoid a lot of them
>>321057805
>I hope your a fast
>your
kill you are self
>>321054893
you cant be this retarded
>>321057234
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?
I've downloaded KOTOR2 and the restored mod
If I can make it past the first level and the level in the forest, cant remember the planet then I think Im gonna complete it again
>>321057869
>>321051070
I like them both, its just playing them more than three times is overkill and they both get old fast
Telos was never fun though.
>>321050453
Holy shit was that level terrible.
It did a good job setting the tone of the game thought (fucking pointless)
>>321057805
Chubi goof graf wah
Aboodle dahhi'm glad the Vong bombed Ithor
The single-player actually gets kinda fun once you get more bomb and fire power-ups, but at the beginning it's absolute hell
>>321058071
>didn't happen lol
>>321058238
>EU denialist
>>321050453
Peragus was generally creepy and worked quite well on your first playthrough
>>321057579
Literally anything other than "here are some objectives, go do them" would do a better job of introducing new players. For example, something like the Hell's Kitchen stuff from slightly later on - an explorable non-combat area with NPCs and things to interact with, with multiple clearly distinct paths through entirely different combat/stealth zones to an objective.
Liberty Island is a great demo of DE's open level design, but even with the map it's arguably too open to be a good intro for new people. It's easy for impatient people to just give up there because they don't know what angle of approach to take to the objectives or what all the other shit is.
I personally didn't have an issue with it (although I took a very long time to do the level on my first playthrough) but you only need to look at how many people who try to get into Deus Ex drop the game there to see that it has a problem with onboarding new players.
>>321050670
>>321050453
Don't even stop at Peragus, the whole beginning until you get the Handmaiden is fucking awful. Really turns me off from replaying KOTOR 2
>>321058746
>playing as male
I wish you could lez it up with the Handmaiden though
>>321057140
The 2 hour prologue is unacceptable. I just want to play the game.
>>321051053
I loved the older Commandos games, and for some reason I have Commandos 3 in my library. Is it worth playing? Reviews seem a little lukewarm.
>>321059145
It's probably the worst out of the original trilogy. Definitely a step down from 2.
>>321058418
>he actually likes/cares about any star wars properties outside of the 3 or 4 that matter (if the first 3 and last one)
Get some fucking taste my man
I personally didn't mind, but fuck do people complain about the prologue of this game.
>>321051053
I've replayed Commandos I maybe three times. Played the second one about 5-6 times through, plus that half-good half-trash big mod i can't recall the name of. But fuck me, that level keeps me from ever wanting to play the shit that was 3 again.
>>321057968
>someone who knows how to write legibly is autistic
epic
>>321057140
The prologue was comfy and atmospheric as fuck.
Plus, unlike 80% of the game, it was competently written.
>>321059851
Knowledge doesn't really have anything to do with it. It's about not getting triggered by small things.
>>321059851
Garden made me feel uncomfortable.
>>321057805
>your
How to spot niglets born post 1999. English isn't even my first language but you fucking kids misspelling "your / you're" and thinking it's okay because all your peers do it tick me off.
>>321060717
>careing this mutch
>>321060783
>being 13 on this board
>>321060783
>>321051168
OP confirmed faggot by your post. Congratulations, anon.
>>321060717
Must suck having a brain deficiency that doesn't allow you to extrapolate simple grammar errors without being triggered and just move on with life.
You must be fun at party's :)
>>321050453
>>321060717
>Didn't typo the your peers to you're peers.
Wasted opportunity they're tbqh pham
>>321051168
>making good sci-fi and fantasy media means a good exciting beginning
>kotor 1 has you escaping a ship under attack like a new hope
>kotor 2 has you run around a dungeon killing droids
>oh and its really boring too, whee....
THAT
FUCKING
GOOMBA
>>321061304
>making good sci-fi and fantasy media means a good exciting beginning
>kotor 2 has you run around a dungeon killing droids
Did you miss the part where your ship is literally blown up to shit and you have to wheel around fixing it up before it disintegrates in the middle of space?
Always blow up Peragus.
Just take the Darkside points BLOW IT UP
>>321050453
>>321050453
Fallout 2 tutorial
>>321062140
I get why you couldn't wear a proper Republic Soldier uniform, especially on Taris, but for fuck's sake someone ought to have come up with better clothes for the soldier PC.
The Scavenger and Scout outfits are far, far better.
>>321059983
It wasn't getting triggered, it was pointing out your retardation in still making simple spelling mistakes when you're supposed to be over 18. If you still can't write a simple post without making mistakes like that, you should be forcibly sent back to elementary school.
>>321063141
But I didn't make any spelling mistakes.
>>321050453
KOTOR 2 is one of those "it gets better after 10 hours of shit" games no one in their right mind would endure.
I made myself to finish Peragus and the subsequent part was even worse.
>>321057393
>actually having to listen to what people tell you to do is too hard
You are literally told specifically where to go, they even fucking tell you about the blatantly obvious back entrance and secondary objective.
>>321050453
Peragus isn't that bad, it's pretty short. Nar Shaddaa on the other hand...
Twilight Town in KH2 basically killed any motivation I had to play the game.
>>321059704
>10 hour long prologue where you do nothing at all
At some point I want to replay the game, then I remember all those words.
>>321061102
That part isn't even bad. It's when you get to the actual gameplay and its crushingly disappointing/boring.
>>321060783
>not caring much about education
USA
USA
USA
>that robot level in KOTOR 2
>>321064614
You mean the cut one you only get using mods?
