Why did Undertale get such a massive fandom and following while this game was just left to fade into obscurity?
memes
established fanbase that latched onto it (homestuck)
Because the general public does not like to receive a barrage of emotional gut punches to the sound of a nonsensical soundtrack while surrounded by shirtless men
Why do OP continue to post falseflag bait threads to stir up shit? Is it because his mother never loved him?
>whimsical underground adventure with a bunch of silly monsters
vs
>post apocalyptic adventure in a wasteland with a bunch of rape-happy half naked men
>>321028465
yOU ALREADY NEW THE ANSWER CUNT
i like both games so i'll try and post seriously.
lisa is a lot uh...i guess grittier (i fucking hate that word but it fits) than undertale. a lot of people who loved undertale would probably be seriously turned off by how bleak and ugly lisa's humor and story is.
>>321028465
Which is more popular?
Harry Potter or El Topo?
>>321028704
Caps lock, anon.
>>321028465
I'm not sure, maybe because there was no happy ending in the LISA games? People don't like not happy endings. Dope soundtrack, though.
>>321028465
not pornable
people don't want to talk about abusive dads
is it wrong that I like games about middle-aged losers going on adventures? why does the concept not appeal to people?
JUST WATCH CHILDREN OF MEN BRO SAME SHIT
Because Undertale is honestly just easier to digest for most people.
>World full of monsters that are rarely ever a valid threat, almost 100% of which you can simply negotiate away from in silly ways (fucking Tsundereplane is a thing)
>All NPCs are ridiculous and comical
>ALTERNATIVE genocide/evil path, which is supplementary to the main game
Versus
>World is a post apocalyptic hellhole where there are no women, all of the remaining men are rapists or other sexual deviants, and the only female has to be buried away to the point where it drives her insane and she grows to despise the world she was born into
>DLC afterstory where she goes on a bloody rampage and assures the world's future by killing the only leaders left in it
>The only humor is outright grim/dark humor and scoffing at the folly of mankind
Not to mention Undertale's gameplay is a lot easier to manage than LISA's.
>>321028465
Undertale has very wide appeal while LISA does not. Both were well-liked by /v/ and had oodles of threads. Isn't that good enough?I wish LISA got half as much good fan content as Undertale gets.[/spoilers]
A lot of people are turned away by the concept.They're both great RPGs.
>>321028465
if people wanted to play as a old man they'd play the Witcher 3 or MGSV this year
>>321028881
>why does the concept not appeal to people?
Because why would it? Middle aged men develop the slowest, are typically either bogged down by real life problems or are too much of a bunch of pathetic losers to have real life problems to worry about, and typically have a hard time being designed well without it relating to youth in some way. All you wind up with are either a bunch of soldiers/warriors on a mission or a bunch of washouts who want to rekindle their youth.
>>321028510
This man is right. Undertale was by all accords an "okay", at some points not so much, game, saying anything else is a blatant lie.
>>321028465
the DLC came out and it was meh
>>321028889
Why is cripplechan so obsessed with 4chan anyways? Don't they have anything better to do than just shitpost on their origin website?
>>321028465
LISA is way more artsy and edgy. This isn't a bad thing, it just makes it way less accessible.
>>321029081
The game had a pretty solid soundtrack and the boss battles were well-made. They could have been more intricate and the mechanics could have been deeper, but they did their part very well for what was made. I'll agree that the majority of the game teetered between 5/10 and 7/10, but I need to give credit where it's due.
Undertale had better gameplay and music. As much as I liked Lisa its a lot simpler in comparison.
>>321028628
Those are the exact reasons I loved it.
>>321029384
I said gameplay you dolt not world-building
>>321028465
lisa isn't as cute
that's just it. Undertale is about a cute human going on cute adventures while a cute flower tries to kill him/her.
Been playing 6+ hours of LISA the painful everything one shots my bro, Terry.
>He's the best in the game anon! He fucking scales like a beast!
He's fucking 19 and he's still useless.
>don't use joy, man, that shit will fuck up your run
Welp, that makes him useless save a few status effect attacks
Now, I have two members left to work with, but, no.
>Olan crits are fucking huge with Terry, anon, keep him!
Alright, one guy left to keep. I guess I gotta just keep switching between characters because each has the most random fucking skills I've ever seen in a rpg
The big thing that got me for Undertale was the demo it had for years. LISA didn't have a readily available free demo or good musicwith a few great exceptionsso I didn't care about it until around two weeks ago.
>>321029178
i didn't say it was bad, but i'd rather play as an old man from a good game, the audience for old men doesn't exist for pixel games
bad people like bad games.
see: earthbound.
>>321028465
Because Undertale is child-friendly and LISA is R-rated.
>>321028465
>SJWs see it as pandering to them
>Homestuck
>Furries
Really it'd be more surprising if it didn't explode.
LISA on the other hand despite being a great game, didn't really pander to anyone.
LISA came out in Dec. 2014 so you can't put it on a 2015 game of the year list. Maybe that's why people didn't give a shit. Sorry.
>>321029835
And Lisa has extremely shitty side-scrolling "exploration" and literal barebones default RPG maker combat.
>>321030029
NO STOP DON'T YOU'RE JUST ENCOURAGING HIM
>>321029964
did toby ever confirm that Toriel was suppose to be fat? I just assumed she was wearing baggy robes.
>>321030020
thanks kotaku
>>321029835
you can talk shit about Undertale's combat but LISA's is even worse. at least Undertale's combat got some effort put into its design rather than just using the RPG Maker combat system
let's not even talk about The Joyful - aka. shove Joy up your ass and use your one stabbing move over and over
>>321028465
>A good game is popular
>"hurr shitty reddit / SJW / Tumblr bullshit"
>A good game is not popular
>"herp unappreciated patrician gem"
You fuckers have become such trite, and predictable cunts I almost pity you.
>>321030242
you don't even need to use Joy since Mend is a thing
>>321030437
i never even got that move since i ended the game at like level 14 or 15 or something
it's not like there's any downside to using Joy since it doesn't affect the story at all, there's about a billion of them throughout the expansion and it gives you a big damage boost as well
>>321031287
im talking about The Joyful where there is literally no consequence for using Joy
>>321030246
>/v/ is one person
Why do you think this
>>321028465
Lisa has better writing, but Undertale is much more comfortable to play. This includes both general gameplay, and Lisa having less reservations about upsetting the player.
Also, Undertale's art is immediately more characteristic, while Lisa has is somewhat generic sprites on the first glance.
>>321029693
You need Birdie if you're going to keep Terry. Olan won't be as important as having Nern.
>>321028465
because lisa sucks.
>>321028881
I'm with you, Anon. There's too much focus on young blood protagonists. 30-50 is such an untapped age group for primary characters.
Holy shit anon give it up. You Lisa posters are as bad as Undertale faggots. Both your games are shallow pieces of shit that try way too hard to evoke emotion and le feels. If Lisa was more popular than Blundertale you's complain about Blundertale not getting enough attention. Faggots.
>>321028465
I don't know.I like them both.
>>321028465
Hard to form a fanbase around depression
How is OFF? looks interesting. I like Lisa and Undertale immensely. Would I enjoy OFF as well?
>>321032727
I still don't know what the fuck that picture is. Someone fill me up on it?
>>321033007
It's called the albanian and no one knows.
>>321033007
It'sa photoshop.
>>321032862
OFF blows both these other two meme games out of the water. It also leaves you hollow.
Undertale's interesting, Lisa's just a guy smashing up your house screaming BE UPSET
>>321030178
i think he intentionally just gave her a plain flat design because he didnt want people to be attracted to it and consequentially draw shitloads of porn.
obviously he failed
>>321033879
Really? I thought Lisa did a much better job in its story, you had the immediate "find Buddy" conflict interspersed with Brad's backstory being told to you in pieces through hallucinations over the course of the game. Undertale's story basically tells you what to feel at all times through infodumps like the memory flowers.
>>321033879
Lisa's interesting, Undertale's just a guy smashing up your house screaming MEMES
>>321034350
>>321029693
Terry is overrated, at level 20 something he gets his one good attack, which is admittedly strong (and fire element so synergy with Birdie) but it comes at such a high sp cost and since Terry's SP pool is so low you'll only get like 2 or 3 casts out of it before you're spent. He can also inflict pissed status, but not as well as Nern.
Ulttimate tryhard party is picking 3 people out of these four
Birdie (oil spit, group heal)
Nern (backup healing, only guy who can restore SP essentially for free, has the best attack for inflicting pissed status which makes fights a lot easier and prevents insta-kill moves)
Mad Dog (Strong, taunts, bleeding, fire attacks for birdie synergy, TP character if you prefer it)
RT (Strong, poison, fire attacks, SP character if you prefer it)
>>321034894
>Didn't even list Fly
Fly is hilarious, he can inflict 5 status effects per turn and it pierces status resistances/immunities.
I like to think that since it didn't pander to social media queens, it failed
That and Homostuck fanbase jumping onboard because of Toby
>>321033007
Jeff the killer of 2015
An utterly un-scary image people like to pretend is scary for some reason and pretend to believe it will jump out of the computer and kill them or something
I want to get into this, but I hear there's an original RPG Maker thing that takes place before the retail release. Should I start with that, or go for the one on Steam?
>>321028465
Ipiratedboth and played both fully other than watching some genocide run clips.
Both games are really well made and do really original stuff in their own respects.
Undertale however is a much more 'complete' package IMHO. Maybe because the game is fresher in my mind compared to LISAand it's shitty DLC.but Undertale as an all-encompassing package of music, gameplay, characters, themes, and plot; came together much more fluently compared to LISA and it's haphazard array of random party memberswhile cool, some like Yazan sucked.that don't really do much for the plot or seem consistent in design.
Both games have kickass soundtrackseven the shitty DLC, so I'm posting some of my faves from both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GMaty9S9co&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcFIR6Bft9g&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VqSE_Gz6F4&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaUwtgCAF0&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkDo4cTuSTc&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyOCdt1mEo&index=37&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KicyvQKiJo&list=PLzjxg51LpxEHKl778z5kCsxr66NIuGkQx&index=38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuI3ZkCHfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L1_7Nci6Og
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzH4ENFmg70;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGaneyDfyls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jVbSI9H4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcamjcoRmrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHL_Bk60F_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCMJC1Ig6sI'm glad faggots and newfags didn't latch onto LISA like they did with UndertaleBLACKSKELETONS
>>321035041
Fly kinda sucks, his cart attacks would be good, but they never seem hit for some reason and are very SP hungry, and his puke attacks only have a high chance of inflicting stink (beneficial to enemy) rage (beneficial to enemy) and blind (redundant if you're using birdie) and he had no fire attacks.
>>321035264
>skeleton blushing
>skeleton with muscles
???
>>321035245
You might as well, it's like 30 minutes long and you won't be confused about who "Lisa" is like some people are.
>>321035109
Got any source on that or any bad wikis on it
>>321035441
Papyrus, Flowey, Sans, most of the minor characters and Undyne are all gr8 m8.
Also I'm a fat sucker for animu-cliches, which Undertale is. A giant anime/jrpg callback.
>>321035619
you have objectively shit taste
>>321033679
I really liked OFF but undertale really is a much better game with a lot more time put into it.
The battle theme is groovy at least, but that's really the only track I liked from it.
>>321028726
Why cant people enjoy both, i certainly did
>>321028465
simple... what do you like more? epic adventure with silly skeleton and epic jokes or boring story about a balding old man? plus lisa is ugly and undertale has good graphic style
>>321035441
I like Lisa but a lot of the party members in Lisa have only the bare minimum of characterization required for them to just exist. Let's be honest now.
>Furry adventure that panders to tumblrtards thats super casual
>Game centered around dark humor that has actual consequences
GEE I WONDER WHICH ONES MORE APPROACHABLE BY THE AVERAGE RETARD
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I like how LISA was shitted on endlessly by /v/ for being "pretentious indieshit", but now we've got another popular indie game so now it's time for all of /v/ to claim LISA as the second coming of christ.
>>321034343
They're different sides of the same coin.
LISA is basically a shithole, where everybody lives for himself, so it's valid and sensible to fucking kill everything. Except your party.
Undertale is basically falling into a shithole (for them), but everybody's just attacking out of fear of you, not because of malice. Except a couple who want you dead for logical reasons.
>>321036086
>toby's game will get us more safespace bullshit
toby's game general over on /vg/ is mostly posting about wanting to fuck the underage human characters, don't worry anon the evil sjw boogeymen won't...do whatever it is you think they're going to do because of undertale
>>321035965
But that's wrong, /v/ had many threads and even made some OC for some of the games. It went generally under the radar though. I can't remember if some big game at the time was being shilled, maybe Evolve? But generally, /v/ enjoyed the game.
>>321036086
It sucks, I really enjoy both games and the ideas that come from both of them. But god fucking damn did Undertale spawn some fucking weird shit.
>Mfw starting to see Undertale characters RPing onF-list.
I don't get why people bag so much on Lisa's soundtrack. Yeah it's weird, but it really fucking fits and you can really feel the Earthbound inspiration in it.
>>321035965
Actually, /v/ really didn't get too rowdy over Lisa when it came out. It had quite a bit of praise and not too much shitposting, then it settled down.
It's only now just a segment of engineered controversy because some people are upset that it's not as popular as undertale is now.
>>321036301
>>321036323
I distinctly remember every LISA thread being met with "fuck off shills"
although maybe that's just the nature of trying to talk about video games on /v/
>>321036314
Based Dingaling, with no musical training, created that shit with a trial version of FLStudio, where you open saved projects (ie. he made to make his songs in one go)
And damn is it a great soundtrack. Both Undertale and LISA are grooveworthy.
The sequel was bad. Nobody talked about it and discussion quickly died. Also, it's pretty racy and isn't as cutesy-disney-charming so it's not gonna get as big as a fanbase. That's it, really.
>>321035965
Eh I remember it was rather liked back then. That was what made me picked it up on sale. I enjoyed it immensely.
>>321028465
Undertale is more accessible, and the expansions for LISA failed to impress.
And that's pretty much it.
>>321036453
*can't open saved projects
>>321036396
Yea, I do believe there was one faggot who actually repeatedly posted LISA threadsFOR FREEon /v/ to garner discussion.
I'm glad the faggot shilled the game tho since I enjoyed itfor free :^)
>>321036396
>I distinctly remember every LISA thread being met with "fuck off shills"
That's every fucking game.
>>321036396
If you talk about a game on the cusp of coming out or when it has a kickstarter people will accuse you of shilling.
Technically people are doing just that when they want to talk about a game that isn't out yet, as it's unpaid publicity.
So yes, it's /v/ being /v/. Shill accusations are only worthy of blatant shilling, such as trying to make generals out of it.
who's more autistic, /v/?
>>321036396
>I distinctly remember every LISA thread being met with "fuck off shills"I was one of them.I still haven't played it, but you seem like cool enough dudes so I don't care anymore.
>>321036453
Dingaling is a Renaissance man. Ever see that video of his sword dance?
>>321036526
This.
These fuckers are literally enjoying this wrong.
We can't have that.
>>321036618
Papyrus. Rando is less autistic and more a traumatized pushover. Papyrus is pure distilled autism (but, like, in an adorable way).
>>321036647
play that shit nigger
>>321036479
Actually there is quite a circlejerk of LISA on /indie/
>>321036526
Remember how back in 2013 you were all convinced we were going to see thousands of Gone Home clones getting massive critical praise?
groovy music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ3XjVVNagU&list=PLpJl5XaLHtLX-pDk4kctGxtF4nq6BIyjg&index=59
>>321035946
Why would you give a shit about them then? You're meant to use them as tools to reach your goal which is pretty thematic for the game. It intentionally focuses character development on a few key non-playable characters.
Because the extremely high contrast black & white aesthetic and simplistic yet recognizable character design of Undertale are just better.
Simply put: Undertale has superior art direction.
>>321036647
You should totes play it anon if you did RPGs. I actually quite enjoyed the RPG Maker combat and all the enemies were really cool. Also has some sick as fuck music.
>>321036739
They are touting the game for being 'progressive' because it has yuri, androgyny, and cute lovable furries. Not because of the neat RPG/Bullet-hell gameplay. Not because of the fucking awesome music that was incredibly well placed to hype up moments. Not the dry humor that sometimes teeters over and other times fucking crashes through the fourth wall.
None of that.
Yay gays.
That's what's wrong.
>>321036872
>gone home
>undertale
>life is strange
>anywhere close to being comparable with each other
they're all vastly different genres what the fuck.
The only real similarity to them is that they're more story focused than most games, other than that I really don't see the similarities between a first person game about a lesbian coming out (I think? Never played it desu) and a small child fighting monsters.
>>321036872
>her story and undertale
>gone home clones
What
They share no gameplay mechanics and have no narrative similarity
>>321036872
>Her Story
Literally nothing like Gone Home. It was a fucking murder mystery.
>Undertale
Also nothing like Gone Home. It's a fucking comedy for the better part.
>Life is Strange
If you were making the claim that The Walking Dead was going to become a popular template, you might have a point.
The only game from the last two years which was mechanically similar to Gone Home that got decent praise was The Beginners Guide and one game is not exactly "thousands of clones."
>>321037064
I was being sarcastic.
Are mutants lewd?
>every autist screaming at eachother which game is best
>mfw salt gets spilled
>>321037228
>Gone Home was the first story focused game
kek
>what is emotional skill
Something some idiot said on Twitter a few years ago and no one has said since.
>>321028465
Undertale is a better "produced" game.
It's got extremely smooth pacing. Has more frequent changeups in gameplay. More frequent changes in soundtrack. More frequent changes in scenery. More frequent character introductions. More frequent story details revealed.
You can argue about content, but Undertale is a fucking masterfully produced game. Every 30-60 minutes of this game, you get new information relating to the story, new music, new gameplay mechanics/attack patterns, new places, new items, new characters, and most of it is at least above average. Undertale could have been a 10-15 hour game, but it was distilled down to purely the necessary components and then decorated with the unnecessary in non-obtrusive ways. It's like a good joke told by a fucking hilarious comedian.
Lisa doesn't have the same smooth delivery that Undertale does.
>>321037228
>emotional skill
literally what
also you can just go through and murder everything and face some hard bullethell bosses (although it's not really bullethell but I don't really know what else you'd call it)
>>321037228
Yeah that's right buddy
when proust started writing about emotion it was because of a secret sjw plan
LISA doesn't make the player think like undertale does.
>tfw genuinely enjoy both
Why do you faggots have to make a pissing contest out of everything
>>321037460
because you're a faggot
>>321037414
>when proust started writing about emotion it was because of a secret sjw plan
it actually was
>>321037526
>normiebait comic reaction image
>calling anyone a faggot
Get out
>>321037460
Fuck you you shouldn't enjoy things
Lisa felt like a pretty fucking bogstandard rpg maker game to me
Undertale was actually mechanically interesting despite being a gamemaker project
>>321037576
>people honestly care about a gameFAQs poll
also smash bros melee is shit, why the fuck is it even up there.
>>321037576
Again, the concept that you're pushing as part of an SJW agenda is a fucking meme from a Twitter post by some random idiot from two years ago.
>>321037576
>undertale
>game made by one dude working in his basement
>having the budget for a viral marketing campaign
Do people honestly believe this? Jesus christ. Fucking AAA games with millions of dollars haven't had a successful viral marketing campaign to make their games be considered "the citizen kaine of gaming"
>>321037961
Be honest with me, do you actually believe anything that anon is claiming?
>>321037961
>artistic works of fiction and falsehod
There, now fuck off barneyfag
why the fuck does this shit keep going through my filter
>>321037961
You actually believe what some random fucker on the internet said with no proof provided just because what he said agrees with your views?
>>321037576
>Actually believing that shit
I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...
LISA's gameplay didn't exactly break any ground.
>>321038161
>a gameFAQs poll is evidence of an SJW conspiracy
>giving a shit about said gameFAQs poll when it's just tumblrities spamming it because they love undertale to no end
>giving a shit about autism gameFAQs polls period
Jesus.
>>321038161
>do you not?
Do I believe that one guy can hire a viral marketing firm with so much reach it could completely rewrite gaming history?
If I was going to even vaguely entertain that idea for one fucking second, I'd need a lot more proof than some fucking anonymous post on fucking 4chan.
>>321038305
Again, that's exactly what they were saying about Gone Home two years ago.
>>321037961
>looks like the skeletons finally found their 'citizen kane'
Those fucks don't speak for me.
>>321035721
Consider killing yourself, kiddo.
>>321038480
>nobody's saying he hired a viral firm except that one anon
So nobody said he hired a viral marketing firm apart from the post you're pointing to as evidence of an agenda.
>>321038527
What's got you so miffed?
>>321038573
>A disclaimer they've had at the beginning of every Asscreed game
?
>>321038573
>Tiny factoid at the beginning of a game.
Oh no. My world is crumbling around me. How will I survive in this mad new world.
>>321038305
>we're already seeing it
>a couple kotaku articles
>a gameFAQs poll tumblr is spamming
>IT'S HAPPENING SJWS ARE TAKING OVER THEY'RE GETTING THEIR WAY
What fucking nebulous "agenda" do you think is being furthered here? If anything I'll expect some undertale knock offs that are RPGs that have a similar bullet dodging mechanic.
If something is popular you can expect derivatives of it, same thing happened with Earthbound, undertale started off as an earthbound hack in the first place. This isn't something new.
>>321038573
>giving a shit about ubi's CoD
Come on, its almost 2016
>>321037961
>>321038480
>undertale gay
>undertale gender
>undertale trans
>0 sjw blog post results
take off the tinfoil hat anon. people like this game because it's fun. if anybody's pushing an agenda they're not very good at it.
>>321038763
>actual gamers
>>321038763
So the fact a game that was popular in 2015 appeared in top ten of 2015 lists is proof of SJWs overthrowing games.
Good to know.
>>321036872
>Undertale
What?
How? The only SJW approved shit in the game is played up for laughs. And the gameplay is nothing like Gone Home at all, which was the biggest concern. The only real walking simulators we get nowadays are small indie novelties and the occasional horror game.
>>321038257
Neither did Undertale
>>321038573
>then v now
When is this "then" you're talking about because we've seen that message at the beginning of every asscreed game.
I honestly hope you're not trying to claim assassin's creed is "progressive" sjw shit or something. They're a mediocre series of games with a couple good ones but unless you think brown people existing in a video game is sjw then I've got nothing to tell you.
Undertale is a more competently put together experience. LISA has some interesting facets, but as a game it's pretty sloppy, awkward, and poorly balanced. It's also far less innovative (As far as battle system goes), and even it's traditional turn based combat isn't handled very well
I enjoyed both, but I feel like there was more effort put into making Undertale than LISA
>>321038763
>enjoyed by ACTUAL GAMERS
are we really going into this "you're not a REAL ""gamer""" if you enjoy x game"?
the term "gamer" is fucking retarded to begin with.
>Undertale = Persona
>LISA = Shin Megami Tensei
Both games are shit. I never realized that the pinnacle of a good game in the year of 2015 would come down to indie pixel shit. The music industry doesn't have this problem, and yet we're stuck with it.
>>321039009
>actual gamers
>>321038874
>An RPG/Shump game with an organic morality system.
The parts are common, but the machine is brand new.
Did somebody link this thread on tumblr?
>>321039009
>that didn't include 'gender identities' and 'sexualities' before
So it wasn't SJW until they specifically mentioned that? When it made a point of being multicultural and taking in the perspectives of various different faiths, that wasn't SJW by your standards?
>undertale IDF in full force tonight
Friend, people are calling you a tinfoil because you very clearly are.
>>321039009
>they didn't include 'gender identities' and 'sexualities' before
But they included race and religion, or does that not fall under your umbrella of what you consider es jay dubya
I think you might legitimately be autistic. Not because you dislike undertale but jesus man this "actual gamers" and thinking that there's a viral marketing campaign to "condition" people is fucking retarded.
>>321039103
>The music industry doesn't have this problem
>>321037671
JOHNNY WALRUS, THE GOD
>>321039009
>one AAA game from a dying franchise pandering to Tumblr means Tumblr controls the industry
wew lad
>>321039194
Better to say, the music industry can give two shits about it, while the video game industry is so starved for content, indies actually are somewhat important.
Most people want a happy story instead of a depressing one. I like both games, but Undertale is my favorite of the two because it's cheerful.
>>321039189
>difficulty in undertale was low as hell so that anyone could enjoy the 2deep4u story
have you LITERALLY even played the fucking game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr4IYjeplJA
>>321039189
>2deep4u
If you thought undertale was trying to be deep you really should read more
>>321039189
>i would say that the difficulty in undertale was low as hell so that anyone could enjoy the 2deep4u story.
The two bosses in the genocide run really aren't easy. You might know that if you'd actually played it.
Undertale got popular because the guy had the Homestuck audience to feed off of. That's literally it. He got lucky.
>>321039261
>an optional fight on a far alternate game path
>>321039261
>one of the two slightly challenging fights in the entire game
>still optional and many players don't even attempt it
wow
>>321039009
>how about the fact that syndicate's story got fucked by making you play as certain characters to unlock certain events.
I fail to see how that harmed anything. The twins played pretty much the same with some minor differences in strengths.
>also the trap.
Was harmless. I completely forgot about her for most of the game.
Undertale is about how you can do anything if you try hard enough. LISA is about how trying hard will just lead to failure and tragedy. Which message do you think most people would rather hear?
>>321039346
Go back to infinitychan, barneyfag
>>321039189
>difficulty low as hell to enjoy 2deep4u story
>story with teh gays and lesbians
>multiple stronk women
FUCKING SJWS ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE INDUSTRY REEEEEE
>>321039424
>it thinks it's deep
How so?
>>321039408
All games are about trying hard enough to win them. undertale is nothing special.
>>321039424
>omega flowey who you can't fucking die to?
You haven't played it. Brilliant.
>>321039424
>omega flowey
>genocide run
thanks for telling us you haven't played the game anon-kun
nice image you pulled of a playtime
>I think it's deep
you need to go back to highschool m8
>>321039424
You can lose to early Omega Flowey at least, it's one of the more creative game overs you can get too
>>321039346
>now they're pandering to demisexual deerkin.
You legitimately believe that don't you?
>>321039485
>her
>thanks for confirming my suspicions, tumblr-chan.
Anon. It was a girl dressed as a guy.
>>321039575
>skill based
>dump all points into speech
>end 90% of encounters with a speech check
>other 10% use VATS and let companions handle it
>>skill
as someone who didn't know shit about undertale but ended up playing and beating it
it just seems uninteresting, I don't really give a shit about a game called Lisa with a bald man with it everywhere.
>>321039575
>fallout
>skill based
If your a casual maybe.
>>321028726
UH OH I THINK SOMEBODY MIGHT BE 14
>>321039575
>meta story bullshit
Not so fast shitpost-kun, you have to explain yourself. What's wrong with a character representing a concept? If you thought that was 2deep4u please do your poor little uneducated brain a favor ans never read a book again
>>321039575
>first person shooter that lets you PAUSE THE FUCKING GAME TO AIM AT SOMEONE
>skill
>>321039891
>vidya violence is bad
Oh, so its not 2deep4u, you just didn't like it. Okay, see you next thread, shitpost-kun
>>321039891
>play fallout
I did anon, it's ridiculously easy. You get a billion XP for completing quests that are solved with speech checks or you let your companions do all the fighting for you, on the off chance you actually have to fight you can use vats to aim at someone's head for as much AP as you have.
Unless you mean the original fallout in which case I don't know why you're bringing that up.
>>321039891
>played a neutral run and stopped when alphys kept texing me.
So in other words, you're claiming a game is too easy despite not having played the parts that are known to be difficult.
You're then using it as an example of "SJWs dumbing down games for the sake of telling progressive stories."
Do you not think that's a bit intellectually dishonest?
>>321039891
>vidya violence is bad
No Chara's just mocking grinders who can't let go of a video game without getting 100%.
>>321039891
>seek out and exterminate every living thing you can
>"wow shit game it's telling me I'm a bad person for killing"
>>321039891
>playing fallout for the combat
Just kill yourself kek deus sempai
>>321039891
>and yes, i genuinely believe ubi is pandering to a more progressive crowd.
That may be the case for marketing and publicity, but it hasn't altered the actual game at all. Train trap generally stays out of the way and the twins aren't a bother to switch between.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to learn about things before you have a knee-jerk reaction to them. You don't want to be a tool after all.
>undertale thinks its special for having no violent runs when SMT and other games used this mechanic since the beginning of the industry
>>321028465
Russian roulette section
i honestly dropped it right then and there, and i definitive wont ever recommend it
also its ugly, hard as fuck, unbalanced, rng based, forces you to grind for fuck knows what reason and in the end its another indie platformer/rpg game
>>321040247
You'd think that, but the amount of people who go "WHAT I THOUGHT U HAD TO KILL TORIEL ;______;" is surprising
>>321040221
>meta elements in vidya are 2deep bullshit by default
You heard it here folks. Fuck this shitty fucking game
>>321040221
>specops
People always immediately seem to forget that MGS2 and Bioshock did the exact same fucking thing.
>>321040247
I can't recall a SMT game where you can do a no violence playthrough. In fact, that was the point of most of the games; it's naive to just think you can talk your way through everything and be friends with everyone.
>another Lisa thread becomes a Undertale shitposting thread
This is why Lisa will never be popular.
>people on /v/ actually defending tumblrtale.
Neo /v/ everyone! Next will see threads about Link being trans and Wario being other-kin.
>>321040402
>the whole game is
>this one scripted part that never happens again
>>321040115
>So in other words, you're claiming a game is too easy despite not having played the parts that are known to be difficult.
He's effectively played through most of the game at that point. All that would be left for a standard playthrough is the final battles, which aren't any harder. He probably wouldn't bother with genocide because it's shit and not worth the effort.
>>321040397
>people I don't like like a videogame so that makes it bad
>>321040397
>if you don't believe undertale is part of a massive SJW conspiracy to condition people that undertale is something something you're neo-/v/
>>321040540
>but it's some iOS game
I don't think you could shitpost any harder if you tried. Are you gonna screencap this for your buddies on cripplechan? Well go ahead, you earned it
>>321040484
No, he's literally gone through the easiest route possible.
Pacifist has you finishing the whole game with 20HP and genocide has two infamously difficult bosses.
>>321040373
>I can't recall a SMT game where you can do a no violence playthrough
Of course you can't. You were born too late. Just like most users on /v/
>>321040540
>soul suspect with a anime style
>IOS game
Please tell me this is bait
>>321040540
>hey I barely know anything about this game but I bet it's shit
>it's
>an
>iOS game
We've reached maximum shitposting, everyone abandon thread.
>>321040247
You can't go through SMT without killing a single demon, you need that EXP. You're not recruiting demons to be friends with them, you're using them as tools. Demons you recruit as tools are not major, reoccurring characters. You can't spare important enemies and characters in SMT. In fact, SMT often forces you to kill characters who were initially friendly.
The concepts are only remotely similar at the surface.
>>321040540
>was regarded as LOLRANDOM until people started seeing it as 'postmodernism'
By fucking who? Idiots?
>>321040540
Your willful ignorance is making you miss out on a lot.
What exactly are you afraid will happen if you jump in?
>>321040663
Then name one. Honestly. I've played 1 to IV, plus Strange Journey, Devil Survivor, Digital Devil Saga, etc and I don't remember a no violence option. I don't recall a boss you can really talk down.
>>321040908
lurk moar newfag
>>321040908
>please excuse my aggressively ignorant shitposting I'm just a sonygger
>>321040354
>>321040849
>tfw no Ghost Trick sequel for the 3DS.
What a great game.
>>321040908
>been sonygger for life.
Well, stop limiting yourself. It's not like anyone's impressed.
>>321029464
>gameplay
>undermeme
pick one
>>321041214
But the whole story is centralized on how you handle the gameplay mechanics.
Undertale is a game that says "Oh, no, things are sad at this time or can be bad if you do bad things, but, in the end, everyone and everything is truly good inside."
LISA is a game that says "Man, sometimes shit will be hilarious or whimsical but christ things are fucked up and you can't really change that."
Both are great games but most people only really like the former.
>>321028465
Lisa is a shitty rpg maker game
Undertale is not shitty, nor rpg maker
>>321040654
>No, he's literally gone through the easiest route possible.
Not like there's much of a choice when there's a total of two routes. And the harder route has a quarter of the content despite being twice as boring.
Cave Storyfags don't say their game is super hard because Sacred Grounds exists. It's an optional path that encompasses a relatively small portion of the game, just like Genocide. You can get a full experience of the game without even touching it.
>>321041279
yeah
if u dont dodge le bullets=ded
if u do= advance
goty
:D
>>321041518
>Undertale is not shitty
Nice bait desu
>>321040570
>>321040531
nvm the fact that only sjws and furries could enjoy such a shit "progressive" game to begin with.
>>321040354
>You heard it here folks. Fuck this shitty fucking game
The difference is that Ghost Trick is actually a good game, with fun but simple mechanics and a very consistent in tone and delivery narrative that holds plenty of twists, never gets too dark even considering the themes it takes on and always has that light hearted but emotional feel to it.
It brakes the fourth wall in the very first seconds of the game and dosnt it in a way that never gets in the way of ether the gamepaly or the story, so you never get that "wink wink" moment shitty comedies do in an attempt at random humor.
>>321028584
But why OP aksed
>>321041540
>Not like there's much of a choice when there's a total of two routes.
There are three, pacifist, neutral and genocide, and what you're referencing in Cave Story is relatively obscurely hidden content. Undertale is pretty open about the fact it has multiple ways it can be played.
>>321041454
Honestly, if I where you, I'd invest in building a PC. It's far easier than it sounds and you can save up for it part by part. Upgrades and tuneups are cheaper in the long run so long as you buy wisely, and you get access to 3 decades of games including emulation up to 6th generation consoles.
>>321041545
>if u dont dodge le bullets=ded
>if u do= advance
Well yes. Videogames generally do work that way.
Good observation anon.
I played both recently, I kinda want to download RPG Maker and mess around with it now, make some silly little game. Anyone else used it? Should I try and find the new one or use Ace?
>>321029856
>implying the audience for old men exist at all
seriously, the fuck anon?
>>321042020
Their probably both virtually the same
>>321042020
Go for a cheap one. That shit takes a lot more time and effort than you might think. Even for a short game. If you find it's too much of a bother, you won't be out too much.
>>321042108
That is what I sort of expected but there is tons of DLC and stuff for Ace so it may be better to use that one but I think its mostly just assets and if I ever wanted to make a REAL game I would probably want to make most of my own assets.
>>321042147I was considering pirating itsince I probably won't ever make anything and get tired of it after an hour or two. Perhaps though with the winter sale if I do buy it I will have some skin in the game and have motivation to actually make something.
>>321041707
>pacifist, neutral
These two are the same. You're even forced into the neutral ending on your first run, even if you've gone full pacifist.
And it's not like starting a Genocide run is intuitive either. If the info to access it wasn't already available online, only the most autistic of the autists would continue to grind in the same area when nothing has spawned for five minutes.
there both piece of shit
>>321028465
LISA looks edgy while Undertale has an artstyle which is appealing towards a larger audience..
Who "Likes Both Games" here?
>>321028968
There's always crossover stuff. There is the occasional new piece ontumblr.I kind of like seeing how Lisa's edginess and Undertale's fluffiness mix together, but I've rarely seen it done well.
>>321040397
>implying Wario isn't a non-binary demigurl
>>321029693
>>321034894
I always just used Nern to keep TP and SP up.
>>321041123
You can't even emulate a DS game?
Jesus fuck
>>321038781
I've not played Undertale but my job involved marketing on Tumblr and I see a lot of posts about the fish thing and the white thing portrayed are lesbians. They both look like guys to me, so I'm not sure what's going on.
>>321039443
The difference is that none of the gays, lesbians or strong women are shoved in your face and story isn't that important. You can literally pick a gun and just go blasting things, one of the ending quests basically is impossible to be locked out.
>>321041831
what's funny that undermeme does this but underfaggots believe it's something new =)))))
>>321028465
lisa's art style is ugly as fuck, so ponyfags couldn't latch onto it
>>321045518
How is that a valid point when Undertale's worst aspect is its artstyle?
Anyone else still think that Buddy defeating Big Lincoln so easily is a load of shit, or is it just me?
>>321043216
>artstyle which is appealing towards a larger audience
yeah, for children with no taste :^)
>>321028465
Because there is no place to pirate Lisa.
>>321028968
There's some good stuff to be found though.
>>321045610
undertales artstyle has a lot more wide appeal. vibrant colors, anthro characters, etc. even if the art itself is really inconsistent compared to lisa, it has more charm power going for it especially when you consider 99% of the cast of lisa is unfit men with exposed nipples and fleshy abominations
Do any of you guys know of a Lisa longplay with no commentary? I only found it for Joyful.
>>321045674
Joyful is a hell of a drug.I heard a theory that it might have a stronger effect on females, which is why Sweetheart is so strong, and why Buddy had such a large joy mutant form that could singlehandedly overpower and kill the Brad joy mutant.
>>321028465
I liked both for completely difference reasons.
Undertale had better gameplay and soundtrack, while LISA had better characters and storyI mean come on Undertale had like 2 actually developed characters
To answer your question though, Undertale is appeals to a larger crowd of people which is why even places like tumblr latched onto it.
Brad is too depressing to go around making ebin memes about in contrast with characters like Mettaton and Papyrus.
>>321046157
Doesn't look like there is one.
TheVoiceofDog over on SA is doing an LP with commentary that's pretty subdued.
>goat mom saving you from death with a bed of flowers, seemingly adopting you as her child only to have a fight with her that tug at your heart strings.
vs.
>bullies beating you up then come home to abusive father throwing empty beer bottles at you only for you to cry in your room and wake up from the day dream as a middle age man.
Gee I wonder which story young people will flock to....
>as always /v/ can't face the fact that both games were objectively good and worthwhile. So you can't enjoy both.
>undermemers calling other game "shitty" despite on being on total damage control on every thread because of the same thing.
>Lisa gameplay is nothing special or groundbreaking.
True, but Undertale's gameplay and writing aren't either.
>muh DLC jewery
I pirated both, enjoyed both.
Not generalizing tho, but some of you undermemers should get back to tumblr because there's no doubt the link of this thread was posted somewhere there.
